Fears of a second civil war grow among democrat & republican pundits

[supermike80 1,803]

4 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

There's BS is here, a lot of it, but you did say one thing which I agree with.  "We can't count on our "Leaders" to do it for us."  Every conservative believes this.  It's why we vote Republican.  It's to limit the extent/power of our "Leaders".  It proves the rest of your statement is BS.  It's not our fault... it's yours.  When you vote Democrat you're voting for more power for our "Leaders".  You're voting more 'hopelessly biased sources of "news"'.  You're voting for "rhetoric like this".  YOU are the problem.  Not me.

Do you really think that Democrats give a darn about black people?  I mean, actually really care?  If you do, then you're an idiot.  Democrats win elections because of one group.  Black people.  That's it.  There is absolutely no other reason Democrats win.  Here's an interesting tidbit for you.  Every year, more and more black people are voting Republican.  After Obama won his first election, the percentage of black people voting Democrat has gone down and those voting Republican has gone up... even this year.  With this massive push to tell black people that they are victims and how evil Trump is, black people still said "F' you", and voted for Trump.  The Democrat party is getting whiter by indoctrinating the younger generations.  Really, this is how it works.  Most people align with Democrat policies and principles when they're younger and get more conservative as they get older.  But now, they're using social media to get a bigger reach.  The funny thing is, they're reaching white people and pushing away the black people.

Riversco, while a little more nuts than the rest of us, is not aligning with foreign aggressors, he's warning people of what could come based on the direction our country is moving.  He's not the problem.  The problem is people like you who condemn a President who's trying to work with foreign powers and trying to prevent them from gaining influence in this country.  Then, you vote for someone who will help those foreign powers and praise him for it.  THEN, you have the nerve to blame conservatives and people like Riversco for being the root of the problem.  NO!  YOU and people like YOU, are in fact, THE PROBLEM!

That's funny.  I've pointed this out on FBG multiple times and they lose their minds when I tell them this.  I don't know why it what it is, but liberals NEED leaders. They crave it.  They crave someone telling them how to feel, what to think etc etc.  And somehow, why I don't know, they look for our elected officials to lead them.   I tell them that as a republican, I don't elect representatives to "lead" me, I vote for them so they can represent me in government, not lead me.

The disparity there is incredibly striking to me.  Liberals just HAVE to be led, they know no other way.

And when I tell them this on FBG, they get massively defensive.    But it's 100% true.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

1 minute ago, supermike80 said:

That's funny.  I've pointed this out on FBG multiple times and they lose their minds when I tell them this.  I don't know why it what it is, but liberals NEED leaders. They crave it.  They crave someone telling them how to feel, what to think etc etc.  And somehow, why I don't know, they look for our elected officials to lead them.   I tell them that as a republican, I don't elect representatives to "lead" me, I vote for them so they can represent me in government, not lead me.

The disparity there is incredibly striking to me.  Liberals just HAVE to be led, they know no other way.

And when I tell them this on FBG, they get massively defensive.    But it's 100% true.

Explain the riots on the Capitol for Trump then.

[supermike80 1,803]

Just now, Patriotsfatboy1 said:

Explain the riots on the Capitol for Trump then.

I don;t know what this means

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

Just now, supermike80 said:

I don;t know what this means

Those Republicans weren't voting for party. They were voting for Trump as their (cult) leader.

[supermike80 1,803]

Just now, Patriotsfatboy1 said:

Those Republicans weren't voting for party. They were voting for Trump as their (cult) leader.

They voted there???  I didn't see voting booths.   Damn.   

[TBayXXXVII 2,482]

Just now, supermike80 said:

That's funny.  I've pointed this out on FBG multiple times and they lose their minds when I tell them this.  I don't know why it what it is, but liberals NEED leaders. They crave it.  They crave someone telling them how to feel, what to think etc etc.  And somehow, why I don't know, they look for our elected officials to lead them.   I tell them that as a republican, I don't elect representatives to "lead" me, I vote for them so they can represent me in government, not lead me.

The disparity there is incredibly striking to me.  Liberals just HAVE to be led, they know no other way.

And when I tell them this on FBG, they get massively defensive.    But it's 100% true.

When I point this out to other liberals, you're right, they do get defensive.  Then they resort to the old standby of "Oh yeah, Democrats are bad and Republicans are good, right?", bull crap line.  No, I didn't say Republican politicians are good... I just said they're better than the alternative, hence why I say, "limit their power".  They get all in a tizzy and pretend that I made a different argument that allows them to lie to themselves that they have the moral high ground.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

3 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

They voted there???  I didn't see voting booths.   Damn.   

I wasn't talking about everyone who voted for Trump. I asked about those people that rallied at the Capitol on that day. If Dems are the ones that want leaders, how come we did not see that 4 years ago, yet we saw it this year when Trump told them to march on the Capitol? 

The reality is that both sides would like to have leaders, but they don't exist. So, they gravitate to whatever appears to be leadership in this vacuum of leadership. Both sides do it and it is real easy to ignore that if you are only looking at the "other side".

[supermike80 1,803]

Just now, Patriotsfatboy1 said:

I wasn't talking about everyone who voted for Trump. I asked about those people that rallied at the Capitol on that day. If Dems are the ones that want leaders, how come we did not see that 4 years ago, yet we saw it this year when Trump told them to march on the Capitol? 

The reality is that both sides would like to have leaders, but they don't exist. So, they gravitate to whatever appears to be leadership in this vacuum of leadership. Both sides do it and it is real easy to ignore that if you are only looking at the "other side".

Woah wait a second.  Trump TOLD them to march on the capitol?  Did I miss something?

[TBayXXXVII 2,482]

5 minutes ago, Patriotsfatboy1 said:

I wasn't talking about everyone who voted for Trump. I asked about those people that rallied at the Capitol on that day. If Dems are the ones that want leaders, how come we did not see that 4 years ago, yet we saw it this year when Trump told them to march on the Capitol? 

The reality is that both sides would like to have leaders, but they don't exist. So, they gravitate to whatever appears to be leadership in this vacuum of leadership. Both sides do it and it is real easy to ignore that if you are only looking at the "other side".

You CHOSE not to see the leader because he didn't say/do what you wanted him to say/do.  I saw a really good President for 4 years.  The best President in my lifetime.

Wrong, Republican's don't want a "Leader".  They want someone to keep foreign entities foreign.  They want someone to make sure that the government doesn't over reach their duties.  They won't someone to ensure the separation of powers and allow states rights to rule the day.  That's not the definition of a "Leader", that's the definition of a "Security guard".  Simply, just keep the bad guys out and ensure that States rights and the Constitution is the law of the land.  That's it.

A lot of us liked Trump because he pissed people like you off.  That was funny to us.  I don't think many "WANTED" Donald Trump.  In 2016, the Republican people told the party "F you" and voted for Trump because we were tired of the same DC bull crap.  It worked.  The problem was that morons like you voted for and bought into the Democrat rhetoric and made Trump out to be some evil tyrant and you gave DC back what they wanted.  Power.  Well done.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

7 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Woah wait a second.  Trump TOLD them to march on the capitol?  Did I miss something?

I don't know if you missed something or not.   This is what he finished with after tons of lies and falsehoods that gave that crowd the huge misconception that Congress could do anything about the election at this point.

Trump's speech before rioters stormed the Capitol, annotated - Washington Post

So we are going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue — I love Pennsylvania Avenue — and we are going to the Capitol. And we are going to try and give — the Democrats are hopeless, they are never voting for anything, not even one vote — but we are going to try to give our Republicans — the weak ones because the strong ones don’t need any of our help — going to try and give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country. So let’s walk down Pennsylvania Avenue.

 

[Herbivore 1,115]

13 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Woah wait a second.  Trump TOLD them to march on the capitol?  Did I miss something?

apparently

[supermike80 1,803]

2 minutes ago, Patriotsfatboy1 said:

I don't know if you missed something or not.   This is what he finished with after tons of lies and falsehoods that gave that crowd the huge misconception that Congress could do anything about the election at this point.

Trump's speech before rioters stormed the Capitol, annotated - Washington Post

So we are going to walk down Pennsylvania Avenue — I love Pennsylvania Avenue — and we are going to the Capitol. And we are going to try and give — the Democrats are hopeless, they are never voting for anything, not even one vote — but we are going to try to give our Republicans — the weak ones because the strong ones don’t need any of our help — going to try and give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country. So let’s walk down Pennsylvania Avenue.

 

Sooo..he told them to do what?  Walk down Penn avenue?   I am really missing something here.  Did you cut some words out somewhere?

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

2 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Sooo..he told them to do what?  Walk down Penn avenue?   I am really missing something here.  Did you cut some words out somewhere?

Read the whole speech. There was other stuff that led up to it that was just crazy. Very Trumpian. You asked if he told them to march on the Capitol. I just showed you one of the sections where he said that. He earlier told them to march to the Capitol and to be peaceful, which is where I think he thinks that he is covered (and he may be). 

The reality is that he is heading towards impeachment and they may have enough Republicans who are sick of him who will go with Democrats to remove him from office. I think that it is overkill and uncalled for, but this is Trump politics.

[RLLD 4,143]

16 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

You CHOSE not to see the leader because he didn't say/do what you wanted him to say/do.  I saw a really good President for 4 years.  The best President in my lifetime.

Wrong, Republican's don't want a "Leader".  They want someone to keep foreign entities foreign.  They want someone to make sure that the government doesn't over reach their duties.  They won't someone to ensure the separation of powers and allow states rights to rule the day.  That's not the definition of a "Leader", that's the definition of a "Security guard".  Simply, just keep the bad guys out and ensure that States rights and the Constitution is the law of the land.  That's it.

I am mostly with this.

I do not care if Trump is a womanizer or hates hispanics or Muslims or what the fock ever....

What does he DO

He did everything he said he would do, I have NEVER seen a president do that......

He started fixing the idiotic trade arrangements, suddenly there was  peace arising in the middle east, the worst place on this planet....that is staggering....

Let him tweet, say dumb things, think what ever he wants....but for the love of mike get the minorities employed, fix the trade issues, get world peace in motion....

He may have been a complete doosh as a person, who gives a fock....he got sh!t done....jesus people, what the fock is wrong with everyone that they accept lying assbags who never do what they say over legit good outcomes????

[supermike80 1,803]

Just now, Patriotsfatboy1 said:

Read the whole speech. There was other stuff that led up to it that was just crazy. Very Trumpian. You asked if he told them to march on the Capitol. I just showed you one of the sections where he said that. He earlier told them to march to the Capitol and to be peaceful, which is where I think he thinks that he is covered (and he may be). 

The reality is that he is heading towards impeachment and they may have enough Republicans who are sick of him who will go with Democrats to remove him from office. I think that it is overkill and uncalled for, but this is Trump politics.

 Gotcha.   I just wanted to clarify.  Cause when you said "march on the Capitol" I  took that as telling them to do what they did.   I see you didn't mean it that way, and I appreciate you clarifying it.

 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,931]

28 minutes ago, Patriotsfatboy1 said:

Explain the riots on the Capitol for Trump then.

This guy. Comparing a handful of people who got stupid for a few hours to a summer long siege by thousands. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,482]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

I am mostly with this.

I do not care if Trump is a womanizer or hates hispanics or Muslims or what the fock ever....

What does he DO

He did everything he said he would do, I have NEVER seen a president do that......

He started fixing the idiotic trade arrangements, suddenly there was  peace arising in the middle east, the worst place on this planet....that is staggering....

Let him tweet, say dumb things, think what ever he wants....but for the love of mike get the minorities employed, fix the trade issues, get world peace in motion....

He may have been a complete doosh as a person, who gives a fock....he got sh!t done....jesus people, what the fock is wrong with everyone that they accept lying assbags who never do what they say over legit good outcomes????

Yeah, they make it seem like he's the only person to ever lie.  HA!  If you're a politician, virtually everything out of your mouth is a lie.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

This guy. Comparing a handful of people who got stupid for a few hours to a summer long siege by thousands. 

I wasn't even talking about the knuckleheads over the summer. You know that I was against that BS too.

I was talking about the knuckleheads last week at the Capitol because supermike said that Republicans don't vote for leaders. Trump is a cult leader. You can say that you are not part of that, but clearly there are plenty who are.

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

Too many people believe 100% of everything Trump tells them.  These people are convinced they he won and that anyone that tries to keep Trump out of office is an enemy to our country.  They think they are patriots and are going to take matters into their own hands.

This is where the problem lies.  These people are dangerous and Trump eggs them on.  This why he was kicked off of Twitter.  He's been enticing these people to strike back.  Maybe Trump doesn't realize he's doing it but it is what's happened.

[GutterBoy 2,898]

4 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Too many people believe 100% of everything Trump tells them.  These people are convinced they he won and that anyone that tries to keep Trump out of office is an enemy to our country.  They think they are patriots and are going to take matters into their own hands.

This is where the problem lies.  These people are dangerous and Trump eggs them on.  This why he was kicked off of Twitter.  He's been enticing these people to strike back.  Maybe Trump doesn't realize he's doing it but it is what's happened.

I agree, and I'll apply it to both political sides.  Both extremists believe whatever they are told, don't question it, often repeat it, usually by social media.  That's why you have two groups of people that truly believe that they are absolutely correct on their beliefs.

Ask any real smart person, and they will tell you that they do not know everything.  Ask a retard, and they will tell you they know it all.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,931]

12 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Too many people believe 100% of everything Trump tells them.  These people are convinced they he won and that anyone that tries to keep Trump out of office is an enemy to our country.  They think they are patriots and are going to take matters into their own hands.

This is where the problem lies.  These people are dangerous and Trump eggs them on.  This why he was kicked off of Twitter.  He's been enticing these people to strike back.  Maybe Trump doesn't realize he's doing it but it is what's happened.

Only Trump gets called for doing it though. Many more on the other side do it more directly and more often. Maybe if there was outrage when the other side was inciting, the criticism of Trump would carry more weight to reasonable people. But we have been watching the left actually speak of violence for a while now, and it manifesting into violence in the streets. Yet nothing is said. 

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Only Trump gets called for doing it though. Many more on the other side do it more directly and more often. Maybe if there was outrage when the other side was inciting, the criticism of Trump would carry more weight to reasonable people. But we have been watching the left actually speak of violence for a while now, and it manifesting into violence in the streets. Yet nothing is said. 

Is there one single person on the left that is bad as Trump though?  I know the left is just as guilty but who is the one person they get all their marching orders from?

[Hardcore troubadour 14,931]

4 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Is there one single person on the left that is bad as Trump though?  I know the left is just as guilty but who is the one person they get all their marching orders from?

Well, Trump is on the hook for this one, but I think you would have to dig pretty deep to find another. The amount of violence from the left as a whole has been massive. Stores weren’t being boarded up on Election Day in case Trump lost. Other way around. So saying is anyine as bad as Trump doesn’t really mean much when the overwhelming violence comes from the other side, with an army of voices inciting it. 

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Well, Trump is on the hook for this one, but I think you would have to dig pretty deep to find another. The amount of violence from the left as a whole has been massive. Stores weren’t being boarded up on Election Day in case Trump lost. Other way around. So saying is anyine as bad as Trump doesn’t really mean much when the overwhelming violence comes from the other side, with an army of voices inciting it. 

You see my point though.  Trump is the main focus because he is the main problem when it comes to get his base excited.  There's a lot more going on with the left to just blame it on one person.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

15 hours ago, Fnord said:

Let's go with fake rage but really I am still a bot with personal attacks and guilt trips as usual.  What more did you expect from me?  Why do you engage with me when this is all I will do. 

LOL

[Voltaire 5,193]

7 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

You see my point though.  Trump is the main focus because he is the main problem when it comes to get his base excited.  There's a lot more going on with the left to just blame it on one person.

I don’t know that getting his base excited is a problem. Enthusiasm gets things done. The problem with getting all worked up is that when you’re jazzed on adrenaline, you might get caught up in the moment when you see a bunch of dillholes climbing in a window in the Capital building without thinking of how stupid it is or what the consequences could be.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

26 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

I agree, and I'll apply it to both political sides.

Trump was heavily criticized for blaming both sides.  Now you 100% agree with him. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,931]

8 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

You see my point though.  Trump is the main focus because he is the main problem when it comes to get his base excited.  There's a lot more going on with the left to just blame it on one person.

I keep saying it and I’m telling you it’s true for most Trump voters, lunatics aside, it’s not so much about him, it’s about the other side. They are the reason he won. 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

Fnord is so full of shiit tho.  I spent years warning of civil war and trying to find ways to prevent it.  People like Fnord said I was crazy.  Now, they instead say I want civil war and want everyone to side with Russia.  Just constant drivel, lies and spin.  Your best move is to just not respond to Fnord.  He argues in bad faith.  He only posts to try to run guilt trips and launch personal attacks.  That his is ONLY purpose.

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

Just now, Voltaire said:

I don’t know that getting his base excited is a problem. The problem with getting all worked up is that when you’re jazzed on adrenaline, you might get caught up in the moment when you see a bunch of dillholes climbing in a window in the Capital building without thinking of how stupid it is or what the consequences could be.

There's a good amount of people who went to the capitol with the intent of causing chaos and possibly even hurting people.  The majority were just their to protest or see the action.  Sometimes others just get caught up in the action.

It's the crazy one's I'm talking about.  They treat Trump's words like gospel.  Some people truly think God gave us Trump to be President.  These are the people who are dangerous.  There are the same crazies on the left as well.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I keep saying it and I’m telling you it’s true for most Trump voters, lunatics aside, it’s not so much about him, it’s about the other side. They are the reason he won. 

... and that is what cost him in 2020. It was a referendum on Trump. More people wanted him gone than wanted him to stay. 

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

1 minute ago, JustinCharge said:

Fnord is so full of shiit tho.  I spent years warning of civil war and trying to find ways to prevent it.  People like Fnord said I was crazy.  Now, they instead say I want civil war and want everyone to side with Russia.  Just constant drivel, lies and spin.  Your best move is to just not respond to Fnord.  He argues in bad faith.  He only posts to try to run guilt trips and launch personal attacks.  That his is ONLY purpose.

It does seem like you want war sometimes with your posts.  You're the only poster here that is dead set on it happening.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

There's a good amount of people who went to the capitol with the intent of causing chaos and possibly even hurting people. There are the same crazies on the left as well.

Now you sound exactly like me.  Good to see you are coming around.  The PURPOSE of this thread has always been to find solutions to this.  What is your solution, because we are barrelling full steam towards civil war right now.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

It does seem like you want war sometimes with your posts.  You're the only poster here that is dead set on it happening.

Then you completely fail at reading comprehension.  Stop ignoring the fact that I continually ask for solutions.  Start offering solutions.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

I think Hawkeye21 wants civil war.  He continues to ignore my call to offer solutions to heal the divide in the nation.  He tries to destroy my reputation with false claims.  Then he runs around the forum attacking everyone trying to anger people.  Your actions are very consistent with someone who wants civil war.  Start offering solutions to fix your image.

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

Just now, JustinCharge said:

Now you sound exactly like me.  Good to see you are coming around.  The PURPOSE of this thread has always been to find solutions to this.  What is your solution, because we are barrelling full steam towards civil war right now.

One way would be to keep people like Trump from egging on his base.  I don't know how to do it without violating free speech but people like Alex Jones need to go away.  Media needs to stop being biased.  People need to be more open to ideas and stop thinking their way is the only way.  Enough of the left vs. right BS.  There are a lot of things that need to be done but I don't know how to do that without taking away freedoms.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

1 minute ago, JustinCharge said:

I think Hawkeye21 wants civil war.  He continues ignores my call to offer solutions to heal the divide in the nation.  He tries to destroy my reputation with false claims.  Then he runs around the forum attacking everyone trying to anger people.  Your actions are very consistent with someone who wants civil war.  Start offering solutions to fix your image.

The first part of the solution has already been described by several earlier in this topic. You should get some mental help. 

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

1 minute ago, JustinCharge said:

I think Hawkeye21 wants civil war.  He continues ignores my call to offer solutions to heal the divide in the nation.  He tries to destroy my reputation with false claims.  Then he runs around the forum attacking everyone trying to anger people.  Your actions are very consistent with someone who wants civil war.  Start offering solutions to fix your image.

You are solely responsible for your reputation on here.  I don't want any war and don't think there will be one.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

3 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

One way would be to keep people like Trump from egging on his base.  I don't know how to do it without violating free speech but people like Alex Jones need to go away.  Media needs to stop being biased.  People need to be more open to ideas and stop thinking their way is the only way.  Enough of the left vs. right BS.  There are a lot of things that need to be done but I don't know how to do that without taking away freedoms.

That will cause civil war.  The people on the right believe in their hearts that a HUUUUUGE problem in this country is the system is trying to strip away the right-wing's freedom of speech.  If you want war, you ban Trump from twitter, facebook, etc.  You close accounts of right wingers on those platforms.  If you want war, you shut down parler.  The right wing does not care about the opinion that these are not free speech violations.  They see it a such.  The way to heal the divide is communication.  People need to talk and listen more with each other.  Destroying communication means the only avenue people have is violence.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

One way to calm tensions is for CNN to step up and say "we've gone too far left.  We are hiring conservative commentators as part of our on air talent to that people can have all views expressed".  Stuff like that will stop the right wing from marching and protesting super quick.