Fears of a second civil war grow among democrat & republican pundits

[JustinCharge 2,397]

Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

Why exactly would conservatives want to team up with Russians suddenly?

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.  Both groups want liberalism gone.  In WW2, we allied with the USSR and called their leader "Uncle Joe".  In this case, it would be "uncle Vlad".  None of this means a permanent friendship with Russia.  It just means getting rid of a common foe.

[TheNewGirl 1,347]

2 minutes ago, shorepatrol said:

They removed Parlor. Not discussing. 

Yeah, I was late to the party

[shorepatrol 1,870]

Just now, TheNewGirl said:

Yeah, I was late to the party

Everyone saying a Biden admin would be milktoast and not insanely smashing a far left agenda is mistaken. JIC is not insane. Impeachment is happening again, removing republican congressmen is happening. This is how you "unite" the country says Joe. 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

29 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

So he’s banned from Twitter, FB. 
 

google and apple discussing removing Parler from its app stores. 
 

yeah. This is crazy

That's a very very extremely bad move.  Its just going to convince a ton of people to hop off the fence and join a right wing revolt.  Jesus.  I mean they couldn't get it more wrong.

[Voltaire 5,192]

2 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Why exactly would conservatives want to team up with Russians suddenly?

Russians > Woke Left

Chinese > Woke Left

Islamic Fundamentalists > Woke Left

Martians > Woke Left

Green Ur Quan > Woke Left

Brown Ur Quan < Woke Left

The Woke Left is utterly useless. Their idea of fighting back against the Brown Ur Quan is to let enough of themselves get eaten in the hopes that they can cause tooth decay.

 

[Gepetto 1,288]

3 minutes ago, JustinCharge said:

That's a very very extremely bad move.  Its just going to convince a ton of people to hop off the fence and join a right wing revolt.  Jesus.  I mean they couldn't get it more wrong.

They didn't learn a thing from what happened at the Capitol.  People are fed up with the liberal scum, their lies, and the stealing/cheating/rigging of the election.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,930]

4 minutes ago, JustinCharge said:

That's a very very extremely bad move.  Its just going to convince a ton of people to hop off the fence and join a right wing revolt.  Jesus.  I mean they couldn't get it more wrong.

Because of twitter? 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

It feels like liberals are just flailing about now, trying to ban Trump, members of congress, CEOs of various stores and companies, random people.  Its just too much. 

[shorepatrol 1,870]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Because of twitter? 

You serious?

 

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

6 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Russians > Woke Left

Chinese > Woke Left

Islamic Fundamentalists > Woke Left

Martians > Woke Left

Green Ur Quan > Woke Left

Brown Ur Quan < Woke Left

The Woke Left is utterly useless. Their idea of fighting back against the Brown Ur Quan is to let enough of themselves get eaten in the hopes that they can cause tooth decay.

 

So... Russia, China and Conservatives are all going to team up and take over the US?  This will put our nation in balance, according to a guy that’s been living in China for the last 20 years.  The media and brainwashed you so much that you think “woke” culture has taken over.

This is bizarro world. 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

So... Russia, China and Conservatives are all going to team up and take over the US?  This will put our nation in balance, according to a guy that’s been living in China for the last 20 years.  The media and brainwashed you so much that you think “woke” culture has taken over.

This is bizarro world. 

Liberals in the US have been openly threatening Russia for years now, and trying to paint them as evil.  Of course Russia is going to be against Biden / democrats.  And China is Russia's ally so they are going to back Russia in whatever they do.  So it all just lines up.

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5 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

So... Russia, China and Conservatives are all going to team up and take over the US?  This will put our nation in balance, according to a guy that’s been living in China for the last 20 years.  The media and brainwashed you so much that you think “woke” culture has taken over.

This is bizarro world. 

I already fought my war for the US in 1991. I'm on record as saying I wouldn't roll out of bed to take a p*ss for Woke Amerika. You and your androgynous allies and corporate overlords can handle this, I'll sit back and eat popcorn. 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

I just don't understand the endgame of making 75 million Americans feel they are terrorists and on a watchlist. What government DOES that and survives?  What the FOCK are they thinking?

[Voltaire 5,192]

 

53 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

So... Russia, China and Conservatives are all going to team up and take over the US?  This will put our nation in balance, according to a guy that’s been living in China for the last 20 years.  The media and brainwashed you so much that you think “woke” culture has taken over.

This is bizarro world. 

For the record, I don't subscribe to riversco theories. The bit about me not being willing to lift a finger to help keep Joe Biden*'s Amerika intact is entirely accurate. In the past, whenever a president has needed red blooded Americans to go fight a war and bleed for him, he turn to places like Macomb County to get them. We always go because that's who we are. Even dumb wars like Vietnam. We're super-reliable.  People from places like Macomb and Saginaw are the backbone of the country. Well if Joe Biden* comes to Macomb County, he should be told to go fock himself as far as I'm concerned. We aren't going to bleed for him. Fock him.

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12 minutes ago, JustinCharge said:

I just don't understand the endgame of making 75 million Americans feel they are terrorists and on a watchlist.

This is why it's going to be bad. 

[TimHauck 2,615]

2 hours ago, JustinCharge said:

I just don't understand the endgame of making 75 million Americans feel they are terrorists and on a watchlist. What government DOES that and survives?  What the FOCK are they thinking?

Lol not everyone that voted for Trump is a whacko.  And he has lost the support of many of them over the last week or so, including his own Vice President probably 

[Utilit99 4,099]

3 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Lol not everyone that voted for Trump is a whacko.  And he has lost the support of many of them over the last week or so, including his own Vice President probably 

Too bad you can't say that for anyone who voted for creepy joe and kameltoe. 

[Voltaire 5,192]

2 hours ago, Utilit99 said:

Too bad you can't say that for everyone who voted for creepy joe and kameltoe. 

Every day in this forum, we both interact with non-whackos who voted for Biden*. If you or I had all our news spoonfed to us from the MSM, we'd have done the same. They're good people for the most part.

I always try to separate the politics out and realize there really are good people here. I wish I could wake them up to see reality for what it is, but they're awfully stubborn.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

21 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Every day in this forum, we both interact with non-whackos who voted for Biden*. If you or I had all our news spoonfed to us from the MSM, we'd have done the same. They're good people for the most part.

I always try to separate the politics out and realize there really are good people here. I wish I could wake them up to see reality for what it is, but they're awfully stubborn.

I'd say humans are generally evil.  Maybe 1 in 10 is a good person.   The only reason the species continues is that our weapons weren't strong enough to destroy the planet.  Now that we have nukes, well, we've been very lucky to have avoided nuking this planet into oblivion to this point.  Its just luck though.

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6 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Lol not everyone that voted for Trump is a whacko.  And he has lost the support of many of them over the last week or so, including his own Vice President probably 

Until the leftists unleash their agenda, then those people will be right back. You people still don’t get it.  It’s not about him, It’s about you. 

[TimHauck 2,615]

7 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Until the leftists unleash their agenda, then those people will be right back. You people still don’t get it.  It’s not about him, It’s about you. 

I don't think many people are becoming Democrats, they're just not supporting Trump anymore, or at the very least not supporting his recent actions.   There's no reason to really at this point, he won't win even win a primary if he runs again.

[Cloaca du jour 2,147]

Limbaugh was de twittered also

[Hardcore troubadour 14,930]

4 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I don't think many people are becoming Democrats, they're just not supporting Trump anymore, or at the very least not supporting his recent actions.   There's no reason to really at this point, he won't win even win a primary if he runs again.

It’s not about him.  He’s the stand in. There will be another. 

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2 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Until the leftists unleash their agenda, then those people will be right back. You people still don’t get it.  It’s not about him, It’s about you. 

There is a eventuality to leftist agendas where they cancel or disassociate more and more of their participating groups in the endless pursuit of moral virtue.   Eventually they reach a point where it can no longer be sustained and it fractures.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,930]

12 minutes ago, RLLD said:

There is a eventuality to leftist agendas where they cancel or disassociate more and more of their participating groups in the endless pursuit of moral virtue.   Eventually they reach a point where it can no longer be sustained and it fractures.

Yup. It’s going to be funny when immigrants start taking their jobs because they work cheaper. And I’m not talking about picking fruit. Looking at you tech workers.  And there will be more to follow. 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

3 hours ago, Cloaca du jour said:

Limbaugh was de twittered also

Limbaugh closed his own twitter account (that he opened in October 2020) in solidation with Trump.

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

I saw this posted on Twitter and I completely agree.

”The only way to unite the country is if EA Sports releases NCAA Football 21”

[Cloaca du jour 2,147]

13 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I saw this posted on Twitter and I completely agree.

”The only way to unite the country is if EA Sports releases NCAA Football 21”

A new golf game would help also

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

1 minute ago, Cloaca du jour said:

A new golf game would help also

Did they stop making them?  Last one I bought was The Masters version. 

[Cloaca du jour 2,147]

1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Did they stop making them?  Last one I bought was The Masters version. 

Ea stopped a while back...last was rory I think

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13 hours ago, JustinCharge said:

That's a very very extremely bad move.  Its just going to convince a ton of people to hop off the fence and join a right wing revolt.  Jesus.  I mean they couldn't get it more wrong.

Bad grammar aside, I agree with this.  Dumb move by these Liberal companies and sure to backfire.

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13 hours ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Why exactly would conservatives want to team up with Russians suddenly?

I've asked this same question in the past. 

Regardless what my differences might be with my fellow countrymen, the instant a foreign military steps foot on American soil, they become my enemy. 

He always points to history. Which, by the way, is all we have to go by, but I don't see it playing out the same here. 

We've had it too easy for too long and we've become soft. Rome isn't holding our beers. Rome is drinking our beers and laughing at us. And wondering what this seltzer sh!t is all about. 

 

[Voltaire 5,192]

On 1/9/2021 at 10:20 AM, Fnord said:

Dude, all due respect, but woke-ism isn't really much of a problem. It's whipped up into a giant issue by the same media/politicians that have a vested interest in keeping us divided. A few instances of over-the-top behavior by extremists with an agenda gets amplified until it seems like the whole country is being overwhelmed by it. No different than labeling everyone that doesn't support Trump as a Communist SJW and every Trump supporter as a racist moron. It's just not true. I get your concern, watching what I assume (could be wrong, if I am, enlighten me) is predominantly right wing media and living overseas so you're not seeing what it's really like in communities that are not giant coastal cities. I work for an organization that would be called by many extremely 'woke.' All it really means in-house is that you treat everyone with equality and respect, even those that are different physically, mentally, spiritually and ideologically. And that organization is a world leader in its field, widely known and respected, on the cutting edge of research and technology.

I understand how some would feel like it's a form of censorship, and I get it. But I just don't see it that way. It's a matter of changing one's viewpoint to show respect to someone that deserves it and in the past may not have been given that sort of respect. An example would be the way that homosexuals are viewed in our culture and how that has gradually shifted. It's really not that hard of a thing to overcome with an open mind.

I read this a while ago but never commented and want to get back to it. Do people in your organization get hired, promoted, or treated differently based on ideology or the color of their skin or is it merit based? To my understanding of it, woke organizations are not color blind, they are color obsessed and those employees that don’t buy in are bullied, passed over for promotion, intimidated into silence and not hired in the first place.

 If I were a leading researcher in your field, knowing that I support President Trump and think their hiring practices are bullsh1t, would I be offered a job? How about if I were a 23 y/o cisgendered white male fresh out of school?

[Hardcore troubadour 14,930]

Woke is a giant problem, no matter what FNord says. I wouldn’t pay much attention to what any leftist has to say about the matter. 

[Voltaire 5,192]

The problem with a civil war isn't just being right or starting out with more guns.

There's no organizational support structure so fighters couldn't be paid or re-up on ammo or acquire spare parts to repair things or know where their next meal was coming from. There'd be no military organizational strategy and communications would be blocked. Sleepy Joe's Team Woke Amerika would have those things as well as the support of half the country.  if the resistance relies on Vladdie for those things, what does he want in return? The devil will have his due.

People who care about the direction of the country are better off convincing the Wokesters to let us walk. They may be willing to take that, they don't want us around anyway. If we can re-establish election integrity, we're liable to install Trump on their asses again. With us out of the way, they could live peaceably in their piss-smelling cop-free socialist transgender utopia.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

49 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

The problem with a civil war isn't just being right or starting out with more guns.

There's no organizational support structure so fighters couldn't be paid or re-up on ammo or acquire spare parts to repair things or know where their next meal was coming from. There'd be no military organizational strategy and communications would be blocked. Sleepy Joe's Team Woke Amerika would have those things as well as the support of half the country.  if the resistance relies on Vladdie for those things, what does he want in return? The devil will have his due.

What did the French and Germans ask for in return for helping the colonists in the American Revolution?  They didn't get anything really.  They just wanted to weaken the British.  That is effectively the same thing here.  Russia is under a propaganda assault from liberalism.  What Russia gets for helping the right wing in a civil war is getting that assault to end.

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2 minutes ago, JustinCharge said:

What did the French and Germans ask for in return for helping the colonists in the American Revolution?  They didn't get anything really.  They just wanted to weaken the British.  That is effectively the same thing here.  Russia is under a propaganda assault from liberalism.  What Russia gets for helping the right wing in a civil war is getting that assault to end.

The Hessians came as paid mercenaries in support of the British.  More like France and Spain. Regardless, I do get your greater point.

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1 hour ago, Voltaire said:

People who care about the direction of the country are better off convincing the Wokesters to let us walk. They may be willing to take that, they don't want us around anyway.

This part went  Rephrase, please.

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On 1/8/2021 at 9:31 PM, JustinCharge said:

I just don't understand the endgame of making 75 million Americans feel they are terrorists and on a watchlist. What government DOES that and survives?  What the FOCK are they thinking?

I think the folks invested in The Great Reset agenda are pulling most of the strings that explain the reality of 2020 into 21. One of the WEF's eight goals for 2030 is a geopolitical landscape that isn't dominated by a nation.

A group (them) though, yes, and their PR line is that it will be a benevolent arrangement. They're transparent about how the U.S. can no longer dominate, in their vision.

But we amazingly still have this pesky legacy of individual freedom and self-governance permeating our spirit. We're obviously very anemic on that front these days, but it's still in enough of our DNA. (Too many of us are fundamentally averted to their vision, having known what it's like being moored to the most liberty-maximizing principles in the world).

They need us to implode and that is a tricky project. At least I hope it is kind of challenging for them.

I'm not sure if the best path is supporting the left's dominance and relying on the simple but sure increase of the marginalization of dissenters. Basically, a fade out. 

OR, are they interested in getting us to implode through civil war. Which is the surer path? I'm beginning to think more things make sense if they've calculated the latter.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

53 minutes ago, naomi said:

I think the folks invested in The Great Reset agenda are pulling most of the strings that explain the reality of 2020 into 21. One of the WEF's eight goals for 2030 is a geopolitical landscape that isn't dominated by a nation.

A group (them) though, yes, and their PR line is that it will be a benevolent arrangement. They're transparent about how the U.S. can no longer dominate, in their vision.

But we amazingly still have this pesky legacy of individual freedom and self-governance permeating our spirit. We're obviously very anemic on that front these days, but it's still in enough of our DNA. (Too many of us are fundamentally averted to their vision, having known what it's like being moored to the most liberty-maximizing principles in the world).

They need us to implode and that is a tricky project. At least I hope it is kind of challenging for them.

I'm not sure if the best path is supporting the left's dominance and relying on the simple but sure increase of the marginalization of dissenters. Basically, a fade out. 

OR, are they interested in getting us to implode through civil war. Which is the surer path? I'm beginning to think more things make sense if they've calculated the latter.

Humans don't control society to that degree.  Too many things can go wrong.  The reality is that, the higher you go up the chain of leadership, the more you run into a bunch of people that don't really know what is going on so they are acting super confident to compensate and bluff a lot.  A good example is the video game industry.  The players actually know so much more about the game then the people who wrote it, to the point where it becomes next to impossible for the coders to fix a lot of problems because they can't see how it all pieces together.  Look at how Stalin ran the USSR.  You would think he would promote the best people into positions of power to make the nation run like a well-oiled machine. Nope.  He would identify the best and brightest young up-and-comers and KILL them because they represented a threat that would take his power.  He just wanted idiots in charge of anything because they were no threat.