College Scandal: Vice Talks to Students at Yale (Poor vs Rich)

[peenie 1,944]

 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,301]

Poor vs Rich students at Yale?  If you go to Yale,  by definition you're rich.

[peenie 1,944]

wealthy vs lower income is almost the same as rich vs poor

[Cdub100 3,976]

Huh are we really going to look at who gets admitted to these schools and if they deserve it? If so I got a surprise for those, ahhh "lower income" students. Most of them don't deserve to be there either. The only reason they got in because they checked a certain box.

[frank 2,323]

 

[peenie 1,944]

12 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

Huh are we really going to look at who gets admitted to these schools and if they deserve it? If so I got a surprise for those, ahhh "lower income" students. Most of them don't deserve to be there either. The only reason they got in because they checked a certain box.

Someone mentioned that people look down on affirmative action students as if they don't belong. However, just because you are a person of color or lower income doesn't mean you were admitted under lower standards. It's why a lot of minorities, my daughter included, wish to do away with affirmative action so that they aren't seen as unworthy. 

[Cdub100 3,976]

2 hours ago, peenie said:

Someone mentioned that people look down on affirmative action students as if they don't belong. However, just because you are a person of color or lower income doesn't mean you were admitted under lower standards. It's why a lot of minorities, my daughter included, wish to do away with affirmative action so that they aren't seen as unworthy. 

If youre an affirmative action student it means you were admitted because of the check box. Otherwise they'd just be a regular student.

 

Not just them either. Jews are waaaaaaay over represented in ivy league schools

[jerryskids 6,953]

Like many Ivy locations, New Haven is a shiot hole with an Ivy fenced off in the middle.  Anyone who says they went there not thinking they were privileged is either lying or too stoopid to have gone there.

[RLLD 4,275]

If you happen to be at a school only because of the color of your skin, and you did not earn it, you may be looked down upon, and that is completely fair.

You only ever have exactly what you deserve, we are not all equally positioned, and some will have benefits over others, and that too is just fine.

[Voltaire 5,387]

It's a nice scandal but not surprising as we pretty much 'knew' this was going on all along. . Hopefully between this and SCOTUS likely, hopefully, sacking affirmative action, the universities are dragged kicking and screaming and crying and whining to full meritocracy.

The elite school exists for the legacy and donors and they go to the front of the line. Then they admit athletes because "yay team". Then so the admins can virtue signal, and make the elites feel good about allowing themselves to cheat, they want affirmative action so a lot of different colors of however much talent they feel like taking to reach their don't-call-it-quotas quotas. Then they fill out the class for talented kids and that's merged with the bribers/cheaters who eat more seats. 

 

[jerryskids 6,953]

1 minute ago, Voltaire said:

It's a nice scandal but not surprising as we pretty much 'knew' this was going on all along. . Hopefully between this and SCOTUS likely, hopefully, sacking affirmative action, the universities are dragged kicking and screaming and crying and whining to full meritocracy.

The elite school exists for the legacy and donors and they go to the front of the line. Then they admit athletes because "yay team". Then so the admins can virtue signal, and make the elites feel good about allowing themselves to cheat, they want affirmative action so a lot of different colors of however much talent they feel like taking to reach their don't-call-it-quotas quotas. Then they fill out the class for talented kids and that's merged with the bribers/cheaters who eat more seats. 

 

But is it a crime?  Perhaps if they get govt funding, but if a private institution wants to admit some legacy kid, is it our place to stop it? 

 

[Voltaire 5,387]

1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

But is it a crime?  Perhaps if they get govt funding, but if a private institution wants to admit some legacy kid, is it our place to stop it? 

 

It's not a crime but they deserve having a spotlight shown on it and have it called out instead of affirmative action taking the heat. If AA gets banned, it puts a lot of heat on the legacy/donor morons who are also eating up enrollment space from more qualified kids.

[RLLD 4,275]

10 hours ago, jerryskids said:

But is it a crime?  Perhaps if they get govt funding, but if a private institution wants to admit some legacy kid, is it our place to stop it? 

 

Valid question.

As with most things, when the government does it....not a crime; but if YOU do it, crime....

[Voltaire 5,387]

50 minutes ago, Ray Lewis's Limo Driver said:

Valid question.

As with most things, when the government does it....not a crime; but if YOU do it, crime....

It has no moral underpinnings and they only feel good about doing it because they can extend to minorities the same privilege. Everybody they like gets to cut to the front of the line and they can pat themselves on the back and virtue signal all day about how wonderful they are and defend how fair the process is.

[RLLD 4,275]

I intend to stand up to this excrement when confronted, I am done with being accommodating.

If I object to a view and the racist "white privilege" BS is played I will simply say no, moreover I will say that i refuse to accept the racist points such as white privilege....

Then I anticipate some drivel about racism being about power.....and being white you cannot have a voice....and again I will say no....I do not accept those racist positions.....Racism is NOT about focking power, its about having a sick mind....so that lie is not going to fly with me....

Claiming the value of my opinion is predicated on the color of my skin is also racist so no....I refuse to accept THAT racist BS as well....

Bottom line you either have good ideas or bad ones, the value of an idea is separate from your skin color.  You can either defend an idea or not, and fact matter....

[Bert 1,128]

13 hours ago, frank said:

 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwji9Mrj_qThAhUEPK0KHXTFArwQ3ywwAHoECAkQBA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DE8EZW7-NSNI&usg=AOvVaw0jVJsSjHL4Xr585x66XQJ

 

Better than both!  The song not the video.

[frank 2,323]

6 hours ago, Bert said:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwji9Mrj_qThAhUEPK0KHXTFArwQ3ywwAHoECAkQBA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DE8EZW7-NSNI&usg=AOvVaw0jVJsSjHL4Xr585x66XQJ

 

Better than both!  The song not the video.

Well, take it up with Stanley Pickle.

[RLLD 4,275]

6 hours ago, Bert said:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwji9Mrj_qThAhUEPK0KHXTFArwQ3ywwAHoECAkQBA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DE8EZW7-NSNI&usg=AOvVaw0jVJsSjHL4Xr585x66XQJ

 

Better than both!  The song not the video.

 

I really wish Dee Snider would have kicked all their arses....

[peenie 1,944]

If you watch the video you see that having diversity is important. Affirmative action doesn't mean they're letting in D students. They would simply fail. But easing the requirements a bit to allow women and minorities or disadvantaged groups to attend a great institution like Yale benefits not just that student but the others as well. As you can see, the rich student was the most isolated because he only went to school during his upbringing with people that came from his top tier income class.

[jerryskids 6,953]

I've said this or similar before... pretty much everyone who applies to an elite institution "qualifies" to get in.  Nobody with a 2.5 GPA and 900 SAT is applying to Yale.  It gives such schools a wide latitude to admit whatever demographic they want.

[RLLD 4,275]

17 minutes ago, peenie said:

If you watch the video you see that having diversity is important. Affirmative action doesn't mean they're letting in D students. They would simply fail. But easing the requirements a bit to allow women and minorities or disadvantaged groups to attend a great institution like Yale benefits not just that student but the others as well. As you can see, the rich student was the most isolated because he only went to school during his upbringing with people that came from his top tier income class.

I think your assertion has merit, I think there is value in diversity and I feel like I have witnessed this in action.

I think a big reason it worked was because those individuals who brought diversity to my company in particular, earned it....  it was not the color of their skin, nor their culture, nor their experiences as some identity group.....it was WHO they were, they worked hard, busted their arse, and earned their right. And they DID bring with them some unique experiences that I think also added value- but that was not THE value.....

[peenie 1,944]

Who do you think is getting into Yale and Harvard? I wasn't. I couldn't even get into Rice U. Average students aren't being let in through affirmative action. I don't have not 1 single black friend that went to Harvard, Yale, Standford, Princeton or MIT. No one. Very few are getting in. Those that are in, are still top students. They are still valedictorian of their class but perhaps they scored a little lower on their SATs. They probably still got all A's but if their school isn't as good as a private school or the top public schools (which are located in the richest zip codes).

It's like you don't want to see the link between income, class, color and access. I'm not talking victimhood, I'm saying there are obstacles for some of us that go beyond trying hard.

ETA,

I am very happy and lucky. I am not complaining. I just know it's so hard for people trapped in the ghetto. It's very difficult to get up and out and away from the pitfalls that exist there. Any help they can get is a good thing. It's sad when people abuse playing on the sympathy of a country that tired of hearing about race (Jussie)

[RLLD 4,275]

1 minute ago, peenie said:

Who do you think is getting into Yale and Harvard? I wasn't. I couldn't even get into Rice U. Average students aren't being let in through affirmative action. I don't have not 1 single black friend that went to Harvard, Yale, Standford, Princeton or MIT. No one. Very few are getting in. Those that are in, are still top students. They are still valedictorian of their class but perhaps they scored a little lower on their SATs. They probably still got all A's but if their school isn't as good as a private school or the top public schools (which are located in the richest zip codes).

It's like you don't want to see the link between income, class, color and access. I'm not talking victimhood, I'm saying there are obstacles for some of us that go beyond trying hard.

 

I think rich kids get into Yale, and some good athletes as well, my daughter got accepted to Yale (as if I would pay for that sh!t).

We are all not equally positioned in this world, some will have advantages that others do not, which is fine. I will never be a point guard in the NBA.....that is just the lot I was given in this world....

I think access should be exclusively devoted to need, and nothing else.  Financial situation in particular is the main measure. I don't think that Barak Obama's daughters should have access to any special consideration, particularly over the Asian kid who grew up to a single mother making minimum wage in the worst neighborhood in Chicago. But we already know how Harvard treats Asians......so anything other that actual need is the wrong measure.

[peenie 1,944]

Your daughter got into Yale??? Wow!!! Where did she end up going?

 

[RLLD 4,275]

1 minute ago, peenie said:

Your daughter got into Yale??? Wow!!! Where did she end up going?

 

She will go to Cornell over Yale if she had her choice, i am holding out that she get's into the Naval Academy and goes there instead. i think should would thrive there if she can overcome her issues with authority. She has that quality that I noticed in good officers when i was in, and I think she would have a high ceiling in that setting.

Here is the interesting part.....she wants to be a lawyer working for the US government to recover stolen art......I am not kidding....

I told her that IF she is accepted into the academy and actually GOES.... i will buy her a car.....and I think i win in that scenario....

[peenie 1,944]

You should be sooooo proud!!! Congratulations!!! You raised a superstar!! I'm proud of you too!!

[RLLD 4,275]

1 minute ago, peenie said:

You should be sooooo proud!!! Congratulations!!! You raised a superstar!! I'm proud of you too!!

Her mother raised a superstar, i just pay the bills...

Sidenote, if your kid is pretty smart, decent grades and SAT, check out LSU too, They are so thirsty to get some smart kids on campus that they give TONS of money.....

Also Princeton....VERY supportive of needs-based kids, and I mean free ride situations....

If it is a private school, its like negotiating with a used car salesmen, you can work those guys down pretty well.

[Cdub100 3,976]

4 hours ago, peenie said:

Who do you think is getting into Yale and Harvard?

Mostly jews

[TimmySmith 2,783]

Friend's son got IVY league rejection letter.

Resume

Straight A student at prestigious HS.  Top 5% of his class.

Senate Page Program. Look it up. Senate Pages are taught on Capital Grounds, on Senate floor at all times outside of school must be able to identify all members of Congress by sight.

Concert Pianist.

Eagle Scout.

 

Something is seriously wrong with college admissions.

[RLLD 4,275]

18 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

Friend's son got IVY league rejection letter.

Resume

Straight A student at prestigious HS.  Top 5% of his class.

Senate Page Program. Look it up. Senate Pages are taught on Capital Grounds, on Senate floor at all times outside of school must be able to identify all members of Congress by sight.

Concert Pianist.

Eagle Scout.

 

Something is seriously wrong with college admissions.

 

Its common, each school is operating on its own little plan, and you never know how far along they are in that plan. 

I am aware of a kid wait-listed at NCstate, and ultimately declined....who got into Penn St.   Not a bad consolation prize.

Key is working the system, early decision is always a good idea, and if you are athletic and can grab the eye of a coach, that can help, whether you play or not 

There are ways to legally work the system, but you have to know the system...

 

[TimmySmith 2,783]

12 minutes ago, Ray Lewis's Limo Driver said:

 

Its common, each school is operating on its own little plan, and you never know how far along they are in that plan. 

I am aware of a kid wait-listed at NCstate, and ultimately declined....who got into Penn St.   Not a bad consolation prize.

Key is working the system, early decision is always a good idea, and if you are athletic and can grab the eye of a coach, that can help, whether you play or not 

There are ways to legally work the system, but you have to know the system...

 

Best way in to IVY League undergrad

1. Well Known or Rich Legacy these get all the first spots

2.  Well known or Rich non legacy, bonus for minorities, women

3. Athletics, once again minority and woman bonus

4. Minority, woman

5. No other way, period,

 

 

 

[TBayXXXVII 2,610]

I think I can sum up this video in 1 sentence...

 

Rich and intelligent minorities (and homosexuals), who's families make $5M per year are complaining that rich intelligent white (and straight), people who's families make $20M per year got in because of money.

[bandrus1 413]

The best Universities in the world are that because the top students go there and because the rich buy their way in and "donate" back.

 

It's as simple as that

[shorepatrol 1,871]

On 3/28/2019 at 2:05 PM, peenie said:

If you watch the video you see that having diversity is important. Affirmative action doesn't mean they're letting in D students. They would simply fail. But easing the requirements a bit to allow women and minorities or disadvantaged groups to attend a great institution like Yale benefits not just that student but the others as well. As you can see, the rich student was the most isolated because he only went to school during his upbringing with people that came from his top tier income class.

Not one thing you said is true. No sane person believes what you're spewing. 

[shorepatrol 1,871]

25 minutes ago, bandrus1 said:

The best Universities in the world are that because the top students go there and because the rich buy their way in and "donate" back.

 

It's as simple as that

[jerryskids 6,953]

I was just invited to an event at the Yale Club in NY.  Why is there a Yale Club in NY when Yale is in New Haven, CT?  Because rich people do whatever the fock they want I guess.

I won't go because I'm not just Yale rich, I'm Geek Club rich.  

Also, Yale always struck me as the ugly step child of Harvard.  If you are going to spend all of that money, why not go to Harvard?  Or maybe Princeton if you are going to study science.  Princeton had that Einstein guy, I hear he was pretty smart.

[shorepatrol 1,871]

24 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I was just invited to an event at the Yale Club in NY.  Why is there a Yale Club in NY when Yale is in New Haven, CT?  Because rich people do whatever the fock they want I guess.

I won't go because I'm not just Yale rich, I'm Geek Club rich.  

Also, Yale always struck me as the ugly step child of Harvard.  If you are going to spend all of that money, why not go to Harvard?  Or maybe Princeton if you are going to study science.  Princeton had that Einstein guy, I hear he was pretty smart.

Ivy league is ivy league

 

[vuduchile 1,945]

43 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I was just invited to an event at the Yale Club in NY.  Why is there a Yale Club in NY when Yale is in New Haven, CT?  Because rich people do whatever the fock they want I guess.

I won't go because I'm not just Yale rich, I'm Geek Club rich.  

Also, Yale always struck me as the ugly step child of Harvard.  If you are going to spend all of that money, why not go to Harvard?  Or maybe Princeton if you are going to study science.  Princeton had that Einstein guy, I hear he was pretty smart.

I used to go to a monthly luncheon meeting of venture capitalists and tech entrepreneurs at the Yale Club in NYC  It’s really nothing special.  There might have been 1-2 people out of a couple hundred in attendance that actually went to Yale. 

It’s basically just an urban country club that any group or individual can rent out for special events  

They serve generic meals, have some excercise equipment, maybe some squash courts (can’t recall exactly) and a few hotel rooms than can be booked for overnight stays   

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,678]

1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

I was just invited to an event at the Yale Club in NY.  Why is there a Yale Club in NY when Yale is in New Haven, CT?  Because rich people do whatever the fock they want I guess.

I won't go because I'm not just Yale rich, I'm Geek Club rich.  

Also, Yale always struck me as the ugly step child of Harvard.  If you are going to spend all of that money, why not go to Harvard?  Or maybe Princeton if you are going to study science.  Princeton had that Einstein guy, I hear he was pretty smart.

When George Bush the dumber got into Harvard and Yale, shouldn't we as a nation have proclaimed the Ivy's had their run? 

[Voltaire 5,387]

8 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

When George Bush the dumber got into Harvard and Yale, shouldn't we as a nation have proclaimed the Ivy's had their run? 

We should but we won't. There's no place that can step up although of the extremely selective schools, I'd prefer my kids to go to the University of Chicago.