Jeffery Epstein arrested

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

Just now, Strike said:

Trump has a history of having sex with underage girls?  If you say so Newbie. 

That's not what I said.  You've also been proven wrong that I'm Newbie so not sure why you keep saying that.  He has an unfavorable history with women.

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1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

That's not what I said.  You've also been proven wrong that I'm Newbie so not sure why you keep saying that.  He has an unfavorable history with women.

And?  Lots of people do, especially in the era of #metoo.

And No I have not been "proven" wrong about you being Newbie, Newbie. 

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

Just now, Strike said:

And?  Lots of people do, especially in the era of #metoo.

And No I have not been "proven" wrong about you being Newbie, Newbie. 

You're not very bright then.

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1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

You're not very bright then.

OMG Newbie.  Check this out:

https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-oscar-photo-ghislaine-maxwell-epstein-alleged-madam-2019-8

Elon Musk in a photo with the chick who arranged Epstein's underage trists.  I guess Musk needs to be investigated!!!!!

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

OMG Newbie.  Check this out:

https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-oscar-photo-ghislaine-maxwell-epstein-alleged-madam-2019-8

Elon Musk in a photo with the chick who arranged Epstein's underage trists.  I guess Musk needs to be investigated!!!!!

Sure.

Why is it that you think I'm this Newbie guy?  I have no idea who he is.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,855]

Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

Sure.

Why is it that you think I'm this Newbie guy?  I have no idea who he is.

Sure you don't.

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Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

Sure.

Why is it that you think I'm this Newbie guy?  I have no idea who he is.

Not getting in to it again Newbie.  How about you just try not to get banned again, mmmKay? 

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

Just now, Strike said:

Not getting in to it again Newbie.  How about you just try not to get banned again, mmmKay? 

How did he get banned?

You know there have been other members on here that have told you I'm not him, right?  You keep calling me this other person yet have not shown anything to back up why.  If I share some of the same opinions then that's a pretty weak reason.

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

2 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Sure you don't.

I don't.  First time I ever heard of him was last year I think when people were calling me Newbie.  At first I thought people were calling me that because I was new to posting in this forum.  I soon found out it was another poster.

You can look at my history on here and see that I've been a member for a while and posted in the football threads.  I also do the June and July mock drafts on here.

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3 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

How did he get banned?

You know there have been other members on here that have told you I'm not him, right?  You keep calling me this other person yet have not shown anything to back up why.  If I share some of the same opinions then that's a pretty weak reason.

OMG.  Placido Domingo has a bad history with women.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/aug/13/placido-domingo-accused-sexual-harassment-opera-si/

Must be a pedo!!!  LOCK HIM UP!!!!!

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

2 minutes ago, Strike said:

OMG.  Placido Domingo has a bad history with women.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/aug/13/placido-domingo-accused-sexual-harassment-opera-si/

Must be a pedo!!!  LOCK HIM UP!!!!!

Who said anything about locking anyone up?  You're a bit deranged, aren't you?

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Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

Who said anything about locking anyone up?  You're a bit deranged, aren't you?

You're the one looking for any specious reason to tie Trump to this mess.  Seems we can pretty much just include anyone accused of any kind of sexual impropriety using your logic.

[lickin_starfish 1,893]

Biden gropes the shiit out of little kids. Investigate him.

Kamala trades sex for power. Investigate her.

Elizabeth Warren lied about ethnicity to gain special treatment. Investigate her.

[KSB2424 3,148]

I hate conspiracy theories.......hardly ever buy into any of them.

This though is as if the movie writes itself, its almost makes to much sense.   I mean, if I had to bet an amount of money substantial I'd wager he just committed suicide and nothing really nefarious happened.  But I'd handicap it at 3:1.  

There's a 33% he was wacked.  Or was allowed to kill himself.....etc.

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

4 minutes ago, Strike said:

You're the one looking for any specious reason to tie Trump to this mess.  Seems we can pretty much just include anyone accused of any kind of sexual impropriety using your logic.

I'm not looking for anything.  The evidence that suggests it is already there in front of our faces.  How do you ignore it?

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Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

I'm not looking for anything.  The evidence that suggests it is already there in front of our faces.  How do you ignore it?

What evidence is that? 

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

11 minutes ago, Strike said:

What evidence is that? 

That he spent time with Epstein. They were at parties together. Looks as though they were friends. Trump was even on his plane. 

Doesn’t mean Trump did anything but may warrant looking further into it. I would do the same with Clinton and most others connected to him. Why wouldn’t you?

[cbfalcon 825]

3 hours ago, jerryskids said:

 

I don't think they see my point.  I am not advocating Trump get a pass; his connections should be investigated.  I implied as much in my initial post.  The point is that the left and leftist MSM are using "Trump and Clinton" to try to equate the two behaviors in peoples' minds, and more importantly, attack Trump in the court of public opinion.

I actually find that to be a reasonable view. It’s likely very accurate in some cases, and it’s probably subconsciously accurate in other cases.

It sucks that the game has to be played that way. But if you don’t do it, you get ran over by those that do. 

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

15 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

I hate conspiracy theories.......hardly ever buy into any of them.

This though is as if the movie writes itself, its almost makes to much sense.   I mean, if I had to bet an amount of money substantial I'd wager he just committed suicide and nothing really nefarious happened.  But I'd handicap it at 3:1.  

There's a 33% he was wacked.  Or was allowed to kill himself.....etc.

I think the percentage is higher then that. I’d go over 50%

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2 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

That he spent time with Epstein. They were at parties together. Looks as though they were friends. Trump was even on his plane. 

Doesn’t mean Trump did anything but may warrant looking further into it. I would do the same with Clinton and most others connected to him. Why wouldn’t you?

Probably thousands of people have spent time with Epstein and been on his plane.  Do we investigate all of those people?   If not, why are you singling out Trump?  You seem to be setting a very low bar here.

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

Just now, Strike said:

Probably thousands of people have spent time with Epstein and been on his plane.  Do we investigate all of those people?   If not, why are you singling out Trump?  You seem to be setting a very low bar here.

I don’t know how they determine who to investigate. I would start with the people closest to him and probably the wealthiest. 

The reason I single out Trump is because I’ve seen people like Clinton get mentioned a lot, especially from Trump supporters, and I agree with them. When it comes to Trump everyone gets all defensive and pissed off though. 

[lickin_starfish 1,893]

The difference between Trump and Clinton is that when Trump found out that Epstein was a sicko, he banned him from his property. Clinton continued to travel to Pedo Island over two dozen times.

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4 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I don’t know how they determine who to investigate. I would start with the people closest to him and probably the wealthiest. 

The reason I single out Trump is because I’ve seen people like Clinton get mentioned a lot, especially from Trump supporters, and I agree with them. When it comes to Trump everyone gets all defensive and pissed off though. 

Compare and contrast the evidence that exists re: Clinton's relationship with Epstein and Trump's, and explain how the level of evidence is similar between the two cases.  There is a reason Clinton gets mentioned a lot.  The "evidence" re: Trump barely registers compared to Clinton. 

[peenie 1,905]

28 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

There's a 33% he was wacked.  Or was allowed to kill himself.....etc.

I think he escaped and the dead body wasn't actually him.

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

4 minutes ago, Strike said:

Compare and contrast the evidence that exists re: Clinton's relationship with Epstein and Trump's, and explain how the level of evidence is similar between the two cases.  There is a reason Clinton gets mentioned a lot.  The "evidence" re: Trump barely registers compared to Clinton. 

How much evidence is there of Clinton besides the numerous flights on his plane?  I honestly don’t know. From what I have seen so far I agree with how much Clinton is being talked about.

[titans&bucs&bearsohmy! 2,745]

21 hours ago, Casual Observer said:

Reading that article, the Houraney guy seems to be the one getting these women (per the article) for a Calendar Girl competition.  I don't know when Epstein began trafficking in underage girls, but it doesn't seem like this event is an Epstein underage girl thing.

I have read elsewhere that Trump didn't go to pedo island and kicked Epstein out of his mar-a-lago club sometime in the past fifteen years or so.  I have also read portions of Virginia Giuffre's deposition testimony which cleared Trump.  I get the definite sense that Trump found out about Epstein, banned him from his club and steered clear of him.  So I think Jerry's instinct here is correct.

 

Let's say for a minute that this version is true. Trump liked partying with the guy with legal girls. Then he finds out about the pedo thing, and all he does is ban him from a club.

Even that isn't good. In your scenario, he knew of a large child trafficking and abuse ring that penetrated deep into the government and said and did nothing. Not exactly a good look either. 

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1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

How much evidence is there of Clinton besides the numerous flights on his plane?  I honestly don’t know. From what I have seen so far I agree with how much Clinton is being talked about.

So you're basically uneducated on this issue.  Personally, I try not to participate in threads where I am ignorant but people such as yourself and Worms don't seem to believe in being informed. 

[cbfalcon 825]

30 minutes ago, Strike said:

Probably thousands of people have spent time with Epstein and been on his plane.  Do we investigate all of those people?   If not, why are you singling out Trump?  You seem to be setting a very low bar here.

Thousands of people may have spent time with Epstein, yes. I’ll set the bar just above that, to include anyone that had also been accused in a lawsuit of gang raping a 13 year old with Epstein. I think that’s fair 

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

16 minutes ago, Strike said:

So you're basically uneducated on this issue.  Personally, I try not to participate in threads where I am ignorant but people such as yourself and Worms don't seem to believe in being informed. 

You’re full of information. Glad I tried to have an honest conversation with you and asked a question.

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7 minutes ago, cbfalcon said:

Thousands of people may have spent time with Epstein, yes. I’ll set the bar just above that, to include anyone that had also been accused in a lawsuit of gang raping a 13 year old with Epstein. I think that’s fair 

Really?  So if I file a lawsuit against you accusing you of gang raping a 13 year old with Epstein you should be investigated, even if the case goes nowhere?  Or how about we put the bar a little above this:

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During the 2016 campaign, Trump was sued by an anonymous woman who claimed he raped her at an Epstein party when she was 13 years old. However, several journalists who dug into this allegation back then came away voicing caution or downright skepticism, and the accuser withdrew her lawsuit shortly before the election.

https://www.vox.com/2019/7/9/20686347/jeffrey-epstein-trump-bill-clinton

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-rape-case_n_581a31a5e4b0c43e6c1d9834?h2bhwth1ccjgzxgvi=&guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cudm94LmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAANMZxKyoqEc1dNICT-DSkh7ZidkCuow-ldhuWWgE3geRYviP1VAsozDpDpDdnyI1H60feHLVPN44XLHb6ZBVo67f5EEFLpkl9xy2UeRr5JzsgHdjCqkU1ktXL6XgMH36lnlF0cwACPy3xUHpQg9t1mz4sELisjJMNB7eoak2Y47N

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2 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

You’re full of information. Glad I tried to have an honest conversation with you and asked a question.

I asked you to post a compare and contrast of the evidence that exists re: Clinton and Trump.  You didn't do so.  If you want to continue the conversation educate yourself, complete that task, and explain why Trump should be considered in the same way Clinton is in this case.

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

I asked you to post a compare and contrast of the evidence that exists re: Clinton and Trump.  You didn't do so.  If you want to continue the conversation educate yourself, complete that task, and explain why Trump should be considered in the same way Clinton is in this case.

I asked you for some info because I didn’t know and you seem to. Thought it would be faster to ask you. I was not doubting your knowledge of it. You chose to be an ass. It’s ok, I got the message. 

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2 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I asked you for some info because I didn’t know and you seem to. Thought it would be faster to ask you. I was not doubting your knowledge of it. You chose to be an ass. It’s ok, I got the message. 

I'm not here to educate you, and have no desire to.  I wish you'd just adhere to your ban as most adults would.  The only reason I even replied to you is your asinine comment:

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I'm sure the Trump supporters will blast me for this but I don't know how anyone could ignore Trump's possible involvement.

Now we know that you're completely ignorant on this subject.  Good to know that you can make statements such as the above without any understanding of the issue.

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

3 minutes ago, Strike said:

I'm not here to educate you, and have no desire to.  I wish you'd just adhere to your ban as most adults would.  The only reason I even replied to you is your asinine comment:

Now we know that you're completely ignorant on this subject.  Good to know that you can make statements such as the above without any understanding of the issue.

You’re ignorant to knowing who I am. I’ve never been banned here or even had a suspension. I’ve only had one account here. Maybe you should educate yourself as well.  I was trying to have an honest conversation. You keep spewing BS. 

[Alias Detective 1,389]

7 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

You’re ignorant to knowing who I am. I’ve never been banned here or even had a suspension. I’ve only had one account here. Maybe you should educate yourself as well.  I was trying to have an honest conversation. You keep spewing BS. 

Newbie or not you got owned.  Take your lump.

 

 

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

4 minutes ago, Alias Detective said:

Newbie or not you got owned.  Take your lump.

 

 

What lump?  

[cbfalcon 825]

38 minutes ago, Strike said:

Really?  So if I file a lawsuit against you accusing you of gang raping a 13 year old with Epstein you should be investigated, even if the case goes nowhere?  Or how about we put the bar a little above this:

Take the political leanings out of it. When 2 people are accused of gang raping a 13 year old....then later we find out one of the accused has a long history of raping underage girls....then my common sense answer is YES.  Yes we should look into that previous accusation. 

I guess I don’t get the logical argument against it. We all now know Epstein was doing this. We all want them to find out who else was involved. Yet when a person has actually been named in a lawsuit as having also been involved, that’s pretty much the ONLY person people are saying we shouldn’t take a look at.

[tanatastic 2,062]

Hawkeye is not Newbie, stop insulting all the real Newbie aliases by accusing every poster that doesn’t agree with you of being Newbie. A newbie accusation requires real work and evidence. The true Newbie experts here know him when they see him, Hawkeye isn’t even in the ballpark.

[lickin_starfish 1,893]

1 minute ago, cbfalcon said:

Take the political leanings out of it. When 2 people are accused of gang raping a 13 year old....then later we find out one of the accused has a long history of raping underage girls....then my common sense answer is YES.  Yes we should look into that previous accusation. 

I guess I don’t get the logical argument against it. We all now know Epstein was doing this. We all want them to find out who else was involved. Yet when a person has actually been named in a lawsuit as having also been involved, that’s pretty much then ONLY person people are saying we shouldn’t take a look at. It doesn’t make much sense. 

It was looked at and dropped due to its baseless nature.

[MDC 7,149]

As a moderate independent voter, I believe that Clinton and Trump both vacationed at Pedo Rape Island.