Xenophobia

[Hawkeye21 1,853]

Just now, bostonlager said:

Why do you think injuns are allowed to legally use peyote, but the rest of the population isn't? They get a pass because of their spiritual beliefs. I can't buy an 8-ball of coke and claim religion when the cops come banging on my front door as I'm snorting a big gagger. 

Got it, that makes sense.  Same as telling your boss you can't do certain jobs because of some bogus religion. 

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1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

What religion was Stalin? Mao? Genghis Khan? 

Good examples of non-religious power mongers.

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5 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I don't know, why?

They are some of histories biggest killers. No religion whatsover. 

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3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

What religion was Stalin? Mao? Genghis Khan? 

[Archie_Bunker_voice] Mister, we could use a man like Ghenghis Khan again [/Archie_Bunker_voice]

[Hawkeye21 1,853]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

They are histories biggest killers. No religion whatsover. 

Ok.  I wasn't trying to say that religion is the sole reason.  Obviously there are people who are that way without the influence of religion.

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3 hours ago, titans&bucs&bearsohmy! said:

I know this may come as a huge shock to you, but much of the world does not agree with the best country in the world thing, and doesn't care to be led by ignorant chauvinists.

The rest of the world not agreeing we are the best... is like the OK looking chick who sees the really attractive chick and starts finding nits about her.  "Those b00bs must be fake", etc.  I've been a lot of places and this is hands down the best country on earth.

21 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I didn't know that a religion had to be recognized by law.  Learn something new every day.

For certain benefits including tax-exempt status it does.

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52 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Certainly.  There's hate all over.  I think the far left is just as bad as the far right.  They both suck.

I think the majority of the country agree with this sentiment.  The only issue I see though is that there are a lot more on the far left than there are on the far right, but the MSM do everything they can to make you believe the opposite is true.   They and the Democrat leadership double down on that and try to lead people to believe that a significant majority of the right is the far right and the very few exist on the far left.

[Hawkeye21 1,853]

Just now, TBayXXXVII said:

I think the majority of the country agree with this sentiment.  The only issue I see though is that there are a lot more on the far left than there are on the far right, but the MSM do everything they can to make you believe the opposite is true.   They and the Democrat leadership double down on that and try to lead people to believe that a significant majority of the right is the far right and the very few exist on the far left.

I'm not sure I agree with that but it's strictly based on opinion.  I really don't know which is worse.

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33 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

[Archie_Bunker_voice] Mister, we could use a man like Ghenghis Khan again [/Archie_Bunker_voice]

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30 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Ok.  I wasn't trying to say that religion is the sole reason.  Obviously there are people who are that way without the influence of religion.

So only one religion presently is planning and carrying out mass killing. Inthe namen of their religion. 

[Hawkeye21 1,853]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

So only one religion presently is planning and carrying out mass killing. Inthe namen of their religion. 

I don't know.  Why are you asking?

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5 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I think the majority of the country agree with this sentiment.  The only issue I see though is that there are a lot more on the far left than there are on the far right, but the MSM do everything they can to make you believe the opposite is true.   They and the Democrat leadership double down on that and try to lead people to believe that a significant majority of the right is the far right and the very few exist on the far left.

Can you quantify how many on the far left versus the far right?  You  seem pretty certain.....gotta have some numbers to back up that assertion.

And really.....who cares.  Being centrist, I know there are wackos on both sides.  And being centrist, I don't care if they're left or right.....they're focking nuts.  Who cares what flavor, they both suck.  They seem overly passionate/zealous in their beliefs/actions.  No reason whatsoever....pure emotion propped up by rationalizations.

Just wondering how you arrived at the conclusion above.

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13 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I'm not sure I agree with that but it's strictly based on opinion.  I really don't know which is worse.

You only need to watch CNN or MSNBC for 5 minutes as proof.

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4 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I don't know.  Why are you asking?

Because it's not enough to group Islam with the rest of religion.  It in itself is pure evil.  That's their point.  Can't mention Islam with other religions.  It's its own category.

I live in a pretty heavily populated Muslim part of the country.  Largest Somali population in the country, I believe.  Most of those people are good, decent people.  Some of them are whack, though.  I think we should treat them accordingly.  Some believe we should treat them all the same because they practice the same religion. 

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2 minutes ago, FeelingMN said:

Because it's not enough to group Islam with the rest of religion.  It in itself is pure evil.  That's their point.  Can't mention Islam with other religions.  It's its own category.

I live in a pretty heavily populated Muslim part of the country.  Largest Somali population in the country, I believe.  Most of those people are good, decent people.  Some of them are whack, though.  I think we should treat them accordingly.  Some believe we should treat them all the same because they practice the same religion. 

Sounds like a sh!t place to live. Imagine how much better it would be if none of them were there 

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6 minutes ago, FeelingMN said:

Can you quantify how many on the far left versus the far right?  You  seem pretty certain.....gotta have some numbers to back up that assertion.

And really.....who cares.  Being centrist, I know there are wackos on both sides.  And being centrist, I don't care if they're left or right.....they're focking nuts.  Who cares what flavor, they both suck.  They seem overly passionate/zealous in their beliefs/actions.  No reason whatsoever....pure emotion propped up by rationalizations.

Just wondering how you arrived at the conclusion above.

It's clear that they are more far lefties.  There's at least 5 legitimate socialists (Bernie, Cortez, etc), who want to put socialist policies in place and there are millions of people who voted for them.  There are a total of ZERO republican's the HR and Senate who want to put racist, homophobic, etc, policies in place.  If there were millions of people on the right clamoring for that, there would be someone they'd elect to push that agenda.

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21 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I'm not sure I agree with that but it's strictly based on opinion.  I really don't know which is worse.

The far left is worse as they have multiple elected government officials trying to put terrible policies in place in our government and there are NONE on the right.  It's pretty clear which is worse.

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Just now, iam90sbaby said:

Sounds like a sh!t place to live. Imagine how much better it would be if none of them were there 

It's a pretty nice place to live.  Good schools.  Good jobs.  Been to Florida....no way I could live there.  Hillbilly heaven.

To each their own.

[Hawkeye21 1,853]

12 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

You only need to watch CNN or MSNBC for 5 minutes as proof.

Lol  That can be true but I get the same feeling whenever I watch Fox News, just different opinions of crazy.  I see even more crazy on social media and I find it to be worse from the right.  Probably because of all the fishing groups I'm in and almost all the members are conservatives.

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1 hour ago, RLLD said:

 

Religion is poison.  If you look back through history, some of the worst atrocities originated from religion......

Religion itself is not the poison.  Evil acts require evil people to carry them out.  

[Hawkeye21 1,853]

5 minutes ago, FeelingMN said:

It's a pretty nice place to live.  Good schools.  Good jobs.  Been to Florida....no way I could live there.  Hillbilly heaven.

To each their own.

Where do you live?

[Hawkeye21 1,853]

2 minutes ago, vuduchile said:

Religion itself is not the poison.  Evil acts require evil people to carry them out.  

I still place some blame on the concept of religion though.

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6 minutes ago, FeelingMN said:

It's a pretty nice place to live.  Good schools.  Good jobs.  Been to Florida....no way I could live there.  Hillbilly heaven.

To each their own.

Yeah maybe in the rural areas, not anywhere near the cities. And there are worse fates than being a hillbilly and a being a dirty Muslim is one of them. 

You’d honestly rather live in a city full of Islam rather than a bunch of small town American whites (let’s be honest that’s what you mean when you say hillbillies)?

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11 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

It's clear that they are more far lefties.  There's at least 5 legitimate socialists (Bernie, Cortez, etc), who want to put socialist policies in place and there are millions of people who voted for them.  There are a total of ZERO republican's the HR and Senate who want to put racist, homophobic, etc, policies in place.  If there were millions of people on the right clamoring for that, there would be someone they'd elect to push that agenda.

Addressing healthcare, climate change and college debt aren't exactly far left concerns.  Lots of Americans agree that those issues need some attention. I don't agree with Bernie's solutions per se, but he's addressing something that affects millions of Americans.

Abortion is being assailed, as are LGBTQ rights.  That is far right.

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18 minutes ago, FeelingMN said:

It's a pretty nice place to live.  Good schools.  Good jobs.  Been to Florida....no way I could live there.  Hillbilly heaven.

To each their own.

LOL, yea but we shouldn't lump all Muslims into one group. Both sides of your mouth are getting a work out

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4 hours ago, titans&bucs&bearsohmy! said:

 

Take the current problem where China has debt trapped much of Africa. It would be easy for us to go in there, buy out the debt, and have great good will in areas rich in resources. 

We could borrow the money from China and just add that to the Trillions we already owe them.

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6 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Where do you live?

West Minny suburbs.

3 minutes ago, iam90sbaby said:

Yeah maybe in the rural areas, not anywhere near the cities. And there are worse fates than being a hillbilly and a being a dirty Muslim is one of them. 

You’d honestly rather live in a city full of Islam rather than a bunch of small town American whites (let’s be honest that’s what you mean when you say hillbillies)?

I grew up in small town white Indiana.  Worked in factories to put myself through school.  I'm all about small town white America.  Hillbillies are backwards.  Every group has that subsect.  Blacks and.....well, you know.  Muslims.....and, well....maybe you don't know since you think they're all the same.  Whites.....hillbillies and rednecks.  Geek club for short.

And it's not that I'd rather live in a place that has a lot of Muslims.  I'd rather live in a place that has good jobs, good schools, all in all good communities.  Ain't that America?  If perception is reality, then I choose to focus on what's good than what I don't like.  Guess that's where we differ.

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1 minute ago, Meglamaniac said:

LOL, yea but we shouldn't lump all Muslims into one group. Both sides of your mouth are getting a work out

Nowhere did I say all whites are hillbillies....I just explained how I differentiate.  And I do that for all groups.  There are subsets that are....um....disagreeable.  There just are.  I think we can agree on that.  And instead of treating the whole group as disagreeable, treat the individuals comprising those subsets as such.  

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1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

They are some of histories biggest killers. No religion whatsover. 

Hitler was born into a Catholic family, but he rejected Catholicism and in most ways he rejected Christianity in general. On occasion we have read people claim that "Hitler was a Catholic" or "Hitler was a Christian" in a meaningful way, implying that Christianity or Catholicism was the primary impetus for his Nazi reign.

https://www.adherents.com/people/ph/Adolf_Hitler.html

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8 minutes ago, FeelingMN said:

Nowhere did I say all whites are hillbillies....I just explained how I differentiate.  And I do that for all groups.  There are subsets that are....um....disagreeable.  There just are.  I think we can agree on that.  And instead of treating the whole group as disagreeable, treat the individuals comprising those subsets as such.  

Been to Florida....no way I could live there.  Hillbilly heaven.

 

No, just that all Floridians are for the most part, kind of like me saying every been to a Mosque, Terrorist Heaven

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44 minutes ago, FeelingMN said:

Because it's not enough to group Islam with the rest of religion.  It in itself is pure evil.  That's their point.  Can't mention Islam with other religions.  It's its own category.

I live in a pretty heavily populated Muslim part of the country.  Largest Somali population in the country, I believe.  Most of those people are good, decent people.  Some of them are whack, though.  I think we should treat them accordingly.  Some believe we should treat them all the same because they practice the same religion. 

 

I have posted before about the fact that I live in a very diverse part of the country with a large muslim population. They are good people and I love where I live.

 

The people complaining about muslims are those that do not know any, nor live around them. I do not think it is appropriate to hate an entire ethnic group based on the actions of the individuals.

 

I could live in Florida too, in fact I recently applied to a few positions there. Nothing wrong with hillbilly's either.

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6 minutes ago, MTSkiBum said:

 

I have posted before about the fact that I live in a very diverse part of the country with a large muslim population. They are good people and I love where I live.

 

The people complaining about muslims are those that do not know any, nor live around them. I do not think it is appropriate to hate an entire ethnic group based on the actions of the individuals.

 

I could live in Florida too, in fact I recently applied to a few positions there. Nothing wrong with hillbilly's either.

Muslim does not refer to a color. I've seen black ones, brown ones, and I'm sure there are a few retarded white ones out there. 

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48 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I still place some blame on the concept of religion though.

You’re entitled to do that, but it just doesn’t make much sense to me.  

Most religious doctrines are centuries old.  

The world has come a long way since then and so have the people in it.   

 

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50 minutes ago, FeelingMN said:

Addressing healthcare, climate change and college debt aren't exactly far left concerns.  Lots of Americans agree that those issues need some attention. I don't agree with Bernie's solutions per se, but he's addressing something that affects millions of Americans.

Abortion is being assailed, as are LGBTQ rights.  That is far right.

Republican's aren't opposed to addressing healthcare, just that their ideas are just common sense (i.e., reduce regulations to create more competition)... that's not far right.  Climate change is bull crap, so that is a far left concern.  College debt is a far left concern too because it's stupid.  Pay it off.  It's their own fault that it was created in the first place.  When you take out loans for a field of study in liberal arts or the humanities with no possible future, then that's your fault.

Anti-abortion is not far right, it's main stream right.  If being anti-abortion is far right, then pro-abortion, by comparison must be far left.  Can you list me any names of Republican bills trying to be pushed that want to limit the rights of the LGBTQ community?  Pretty sure, there's none.

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3 hours ago, Meglamaniac said:

Been to Florida....no way I could live there.  Hillbilly heaven.

 

No, just that all Floridians are for the most part, kind of like me saying every been to a Mosque, Terrorist Heaven

Haven't been to all of Florida....just Tampa St. Pete and Orlando.  I've seen more confederate flags there, including a huge one on I-4/I-75 to assume a lot of people there obviously have different views of minorities/foreigners than I do.  And I say that as a person who disagrees with the left's misplaced notion that tearing down statues and rewriting history somehow changes anything.  Still, the confederate flag is a polarizing symbol, and to see it a lot more there....even in touristy/mainstream areas speaks to the values shared by a lot of people down there....including 90s whose hatred of Muslims echoes my experience, however limited in FLA.

Bert and NorthernVike talk about the Citiots here....maybe I'm one of them, dunno…..but there are some stuffy intolerable liberals in the Cities, and I'd like to think that's who they're referring to when they disparage this fine area.  Can't say I disagree with them.  Just the same, there's enough riff raff down your way that I'd want no part of living there.  Not because they're white or different than me....but because....to tie it back to the thread, of the rampant xenophobia there. 

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3 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Republican's aren't opposed to addressing healthcare, just that their ideas are just common sense (i.e., reduce regulations to create more competition)... that's not far right.  Climate change is bull crap, so that is a far left concern.  College debt is a far left concern too because it's stupid.  Pay it off.  It's their own fault that it was created in the first place.  When you take out loans for a field of study in liberal arts or the humanities with no possible future, then that's your fault.

Anti-abortion is not far right, it's main stream right.  If being anti-abortion is far right, then pro-abortion, by comparison must be far left.  Can you list me any names of Republican bills trying to be pushed that want to limit the rights of the LGBTQ community?  Pretty sure, there's none.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/19/trump-lgbt-rights-discrimination-353774

Quick search found this article.  I linked something else in the Women's soccer thread that was more recent and specific.  This administration has made it more difficult to access fair housing and healthcare in the name of religious liberty.

Titans mentioned something somewhere in this place about America being an idea.  Maybe I'll look for it later but it sums up my attitude perfectly.  As Thomas Jefferson is one of the greatest minds in history, I'm gonna side with him when he says All men are created equal....and I'm gonna side with him that there should be a separation of church and state.  The recent trend with regard to LGBTQ is antithetical to that.

As for abortion, again a quick search shows most Americans are in favor of legal abortion.  https://www.pewforum.org/fact-sheet/public-opinion-on-abortion/

The trend has been to make it more difficult to obtain one.  It's a far right attitude.

Same goes for climate change.  https://blogs.agu.org/sciencecommunication/2018/08/02/american-voter-attitudes-on-climate-change-are-complex/  I think there's more disagreement in how we should address it, which is fair.  But the majority seem to think it's not BS.  That's a far right view.

Agree with college.  But the fact is it costs too much and as such makes obtaining an education out of reach for a lot of people.  It's inconsistent with American values that promote an enlightened populace.  I think America is much, much greater if its citizens can debate and think through the issues.  Again, how we address that is up for discussion but I think we can agree that going to college shouldn't cost what it does.  And I say that as a father of two, one of whom has already said he doesn't want to go to college.....which mortifies my wife.  She tries to redirect him....me?  I tell him as long as he's doing what he wants and make a living....is a good person, treats others fairly....he can do whatever he wants.  Funny that we even have that discussion with 8 year olds, but the push to go to college is so strong that young kids pick up on it.  Kinda sad really.

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38 minutes ago, FeelingMN said:

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/19/trump-lgbt-rights-discrimination-353774

Quick search found this article.  I linked something else in the Women's soccer thread that was more recent and specific.  This administration has made it more difficult to access fair housing and healthcare in the name of religious liberty.

Titans mentioned something somewhere in this place about America being an idea.  Maybe I'll look for it later but it sums up my attitude perfectly.  As Thomas Jefferson is one of the greatest minds in history, I'm gonna side with him when he says All men are created equal....and I'm gonna side with him that there should be a separation of church and state.  The recent trend with regard to LGBTQ is antithetical to that.

As for abortion, again a quick search shows most Americans are in favor of legal abortion.  https://www.pewforum.org/fact-sheet/public-opinion-on-abortion/

The trend has been to make it more difficult to obtain one.  It's a far right attitude.

Same goes for climate change.  https://blogs.agu.org/sciencecommunication/2018/08/02/american-voter-attitudes-on-climate-change-are-complex/  I think there's more disagreement in how we should address it, which is fair.  But the majority seem to think it's not BS.  That's a far right view.

Agree with college.  But the fact is it costs too much and as such makes obtaining an education out of reach for a lot of people.  It's inconsistent with American values that promote an enlightened populace.  I think America is much, much greater if its citizens can debate and think through the issues.  Again, how we address that is up for discussion but I think we can agree that going to college shouldn't cost what it does.  And I say that as a father of two, one of whom has already said he doesn't want to go to college.....which mortifies my wife.  She tries to redirect him....me?  I tell him as long as he's doing what he wants and make a living....is a good person, treats others fairly....he can do whatever he wants.  Funny that we even have that discussion with 8 year olds, but the push to go to college is so strong that young kids pick up on it.  Kinda sad really.

 

LOL, people complain about college's, yet they're all run by liberals and fund liberal politicians!!  College debt?  Go complain to the libtards you vote for and tell them to fix the problem with their own money, they're the ones who created the problem.

Don't give me polls on abortion because no one believes them anyway, well, except Democrats when it favors them.  Quinipiac, Libtard University, had a poll that said the country is 50/50 on abortion, so no, it's not most of America is ok with abortion.  Now, one stipulation is that there are Republican's like myself who are ok with abortion so long as the person having it is paying for it.  That is DEFINITELY NOT what the Democrats want.

When you give me a link from a non-leftiest agenda driven website (clearly politico is not that), then I'll give it credence, until then, it's lefties complaining about crap that isn't real... just like everything else.

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Look, another white supremacist, racist.  Unreal.

 

[Voltaire 4,559]

6 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said:

The far left is worse as they have multiple elected government officials trying to put terrible policies in place in our government and there are NONE on the right.  It's pretty clear which is worse.

The right knows how to cordon off their extremists: express racist views and you're out. The left has no extremist filter. Support Marxism? Great. Hate White people? Welcome! Antifa? Love you so much!

[Voltaire 4,559]

6 hours ago, vuduchile said:

Religion itself is not the poison.  Evil acts require evil people to carry them out.  

Religion can be the lens through which looking at and doing evil can be justified.