Coronavirus - Doomsday

[Hardcore troubadour 15,483]

5 minutes ago, lickin_starfish said:

Anybody here from NY?

NY wants to scoop you up and lock you away if they deem you are a health "threat". Hows 'dems Constitutional rights looking?

https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/bills/2021/a416

I like the “may be” part. Yeah, no leeway there.  Not reading the whole thing, but it sounds like they want to deal with the homeless maybe? 

[lickin_starfish 1,942]

13 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I like the “may be” part. Yeah, no leeway there.  Not reading the whole thing, but it sounds like they want to deal with the homeless maybe? 

"Mr. Troubador, you will be free to return to your family and your life if you just agree to inject this vaccine."

 

"We're deeply sorry, Mrs Troubador. Your husband fell seriously ill with the covids while he was staying with us. He didn't make it. You have our condolences."

[Hardcore troubadour 15,483]

28 minutes ago, lickin_starfish said:

"Mr. Troubador, you will be free to return to your family and your life if you just agree to inject this vaccine."

 

"We're deeply sorry, Mrs Troubador. Your husband fell seriously ill with the covids while he was staying with us. He didn't make it. You have our condolences."

Sounds right. 

[TimHauck 2,902]

2 hours ago, lod001 said:

Yeah, obviously he had some heart problem. Think about it. If he didn't, the number of 40 year olds dropping dead would be in the 100s of 1000s. Seeing how that's not happening, he either had some heart issue that went undetected or this is not nearly the killer they claim and this guy had some bad luck.

Huh?  I pretty much already said he had bad luck.   It doesn’t kill many people with no underlying conditions, but it does kill some.    (6%, right?   )

 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,356]

blah there went my taste just like that

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,483]

35 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

blah there went my taste just like that

 

My closest friend has it. Says the same things you are,  but lost his taste quicker. Says he’s ok most of the time, but it’s hell other times. Hang in there. 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,356]

58 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

My closest friend has it. Says the same things you are,  but lost his taste quicker. Says he’s ok most of the time, but it’s hell other times. Hang in there. 

That’s the crazy part usually you know when youre sick your just sick til you get better. This i literally feel one minute and two hours later can’t move

[Mr. Hand 482]

2 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

That’s the crazy part usually you know when youre sick your just sick til you get better. This i literally feel one minute and two hours later can’t move

Hope you get better soon.

[lod001 1,344]

3 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Huh?  I pretty much already said he had bad luck.   It doesn’t kill many people with no underlying conditions, but it does kill some.    (6%, right?   )

 

Yep. 6% of these deaths are actually covid so said the CDC. here ya go. The truth takes a while to get past the corrupt media. 

Heart attack. https://nypost.com/2020/12/30/congressman-elect-luke-letlow-suffered-a-heart-attack-during-operation/?utm_source=twitter_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site buttons&utm_campaign=site buttons

if you have covid in your bloodstream and you die FOR ANY reason, they are tagging you covid. Get it?

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,356]

50 minutes ago, lod001 said:

Yep. 6% of these deaths are actually covid so said the CDC. here ya go. The truth takes a while to get past the corrupt media. 

Heart attack. https://nypost.com/2020/12/30/congressman-elect-luke-letlow-suffered-a-heart-attack-during-operation/?utm_source=twitter_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site buttons&utm_campaign=site buttons

if you have covid in your bloodstream and you die FOR ANY reason, they are tagging you covid. Get it?

Yes but if he didn’t get covid he wouldn’t have needed the surgery. I’ll chalk this one up to China 

[Fireballer 2,642]

1 hour ago, lod001 said:

Yep. 6% of these deaths are actually covid so said the CDC. here ya go. The truth takes a while to get past the corrupt media. 

Heart attack. https://nypost.com/2020/12/30/congressman-elect-luke-letlow-suffered-a-heart-attack-during-operation/?utm_source=twitter_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site buttons&utm_campaign=site buttons

if you have covid in your bloodstream and you die FOR ANY reason, they are tagging you covid. Get it?

What the fuk is "an operation related to the virus"?

[Fireballer 2,642]

Uhhh...not sure what to make of this.  Which geek(s) is it?

https://nypost.com/2020/12/30/nurse-suspended-after-stripping-ppe-to-have-sex-with-covid-patient/?utm_source=NYPTwitter&utm_medium=SocialFlow&utm_campaign=SocialFlow

[TimHauck 2,902]

1 hour ago, lod001 said:

Yep. 6% of these deaths are actually covid so said the CDC. here ya go. The truth takes a while to get past the corrupt media. 

Heart attack. https://nypost.com/2020/12/30/congressman-elect-luke-letlow-suffered-a-heart-attack-during-operation/?utm_source=twitter_sitebuttons&utm_medium=site buttons&utm_campaign=site buttons

if you have covid in your bloodstream and you die FOR ANY reason, they are tagging you covid. Get it?

You’re joking right?

https://www.nola.com/news/coronavirus/article_11ade19a-4a5b-11eb-a01f-637366494232.html

Literally the same doctor quoted in your link said it was “all covid related.”  Guess the NY Post left that part out...

Again, even if we pretend the 6% number is accurate (and no, it’s not lower than that), it’s still admitting that it can kill otherwise healthy people as it did here.

Of course that’s not getting into the fact that even if we start talking “comorbidities,” high blood pressure may be the most common, and it’s something 1/3 of Americans have...

 

[Cdub100 3,925]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Again, even if we pretend the 6% number is accurate

 

Why are you science denying the CDC. Do you think you know better than they do?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,483]

I still don’t get why there is so much back and forth about this still. It’s clear as day that the deaths by Covid numbers are inflated. Anyone arguing to the contrary at this point refuses to believe it for some reason. That reason is TDS. 

[Rusty Syringes 478]

6 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I still don’t get why there is so much back and forth about this still. It’s clear as day that the deaths by Covid numbers are inflated. Anyone arguing to the contrary at this point refuses to believe it for some reason. That reason is TDS. 

Just because you say it's clear doen't make it clear. We are rapidly closing in on American deaths in World War II. Congrats.

[Strike 5,565]

Remember when there was a shortage of hand sanitizer and all those distilleries stepped up to the plate and started producing it?  Well, the FDA is now sending them a bill for 14k for their good deed:

http://sjvsun.com/covid-19/calif-distillers-helped-overcome-hand-sanitizer-shortage-now-the-fda-is-making-them-pay/

Can't make this sh*t up. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,483]

7 minutes ago, Rusty Syringes said:

Just because you say it's clear doen't make it clear. We are rapidly closing in on American deaths in World War II. Congrats.

Let’s start with the recent revelation in Colorado of gunshot victims being classified as Covid deaths. Thoughts? 

[TimHauck 2,902]

21 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

Why are you science denying the CDC. Do you think you know better than they do?

Their data is fine.  Just people misinterpreting it.

 

 

[TimHauck 2,902]

21 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I still don’t get why there is so much back and forth about this still. It’s clear as day that the deaths by Covid numbers are inflated. Anyone arguing to the contrary at this point refuses to believe it for some reason. That reason is TDS. 

I don’t get it either.  What do you think is the biggest reason 300k+ more people have died than last year?

[Cdub100 3,925]

10 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Their data is fine.  Just people misinterpreting it.

 

 

We know the data is flawed. We've all seen it. Counting motorcycle deaths, people with advanced cancers very very Very old people who would die if they got the flu. 

You're the one misinterpreting it. The CDC is clear. 6% of people die because of covid. The rest die with covid.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,483]

12 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I don’t get it either.  What do you think is the biggest reason 300k+ more people have died than last year?

I have read and heard various reports on that, so I’m going to wait until the smoke clears before accepting those numbers. Having worked in an area where public statistics are consistently changed as time goes on I know all too well not to jump the gun on them. But if I did accept those numbers, I would say the lockdowns could play a role, overdoses, murders, suicides, people not seeking medical help and many others I’m sure.  I know Od’s are up quite a bit. You seem to be making the leap that it’s all COVID and nothing else. Some of its Covid of course. Some of its not. The number being touted is impossible in my opinion, based on my experience. I’ve seen murders become natural deaths and the opposite as well. If a stat can be manipulated and the ones in charge of the stats have something to gain by manipulating the stats, it’s very likely they will be. 

[Cdub100 3,925]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I have read and heard various reports on that, so I’m going to wait until the smoke clears before accepting those numbers. Having worked in an area where public statistics are consistently changed as time goes on I know all too well not to jump the gun on them. But if I did accept those numbers, I would say the lockdowns could play a role, overdoses, murders, suicides, people not seeking medical help and many others I’m sure.  I know Od’s are up quite a bit. You seem to be making the leap that it’s all COVID and nothing else. Some of its Covid of course. Some of its not. The number being touted is impossible in my opinion, based on my experience. I’ve seen murders become natural deaths and the opposite as well. If a stat can be manipulated and the ones in charge of the stats have something to gain, it’s very likely they will be. 

We know thousands died because they couldn't get the care they needed when democrat governors denied "non-essential surgeries" My neighbor almost died. She needed heart surgery but Whitmer deemed it non-essiental. the day doctors could legally operate on her they did.

Digusting. Idiots like tim have zero clue about the real world.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,483]

1 minute ago, Cdub100 said:

We know thousands died because they couldn't get the care they needed when democrat governors denied "non-essential surgeries" My neighbor almost died. She needed heart surgery but Whitmer deemed it non-essiental. the day doctors could legally operate on her they did.

Digusting. Idiots like tim have zero clue about the real world.

When people want to believe something, it’s very hard for them not to. It’s almost like religion, or falling in love. It can blind you. 

[Cdub100 3,925]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

When people want to believe something, it’s very hard for them not to. It’s almost like religion, or falling in love. It can blind you. 

Same thing with HCQ. The Democrat govs banned it and threatened the docs and pharmacist. 

That told me everything I needed to know about COVID. It was used as a political tool. Tim eats it up and believes the lies. Sad. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,483]

On 12/30/2020 at 11:37 PM, Cdub100 said:

Same thing with HCQ. The Democrat govs banned it and threatened the docs and pharmacist. 

That told me everything I needed to know about COVID. It was used as a political tool. Tim eats it up and believes the lies. Sad. 

The HQC thing to me was actually the height of TDS. I’m still betting it becomes a highly used therapeutic when the dust settles. That was the cherry on top for me as far as so much of this being political. The first indication of it was liberals and Harris/Biden calling Trump racist for shutting down travel. Shows you the one trick ponies they are. As if shutting down travel during a pandemic would never be the smartest, easiest thing to do. Especially from the areas where it was raging and originated. Biden should never be listened too about this stuff after that. Instead liberal morons put him in charge. 

[TimHauck 2,902]

8 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I have read and heard various reports on that, so I’m going to wait until the smoke clears before accepting those numbers. Having worked in an area where public statistics are consistently changed as time goes on I know all too well not to jump the gun on them. But if I did accept those numbers, I would say the lockdowns could play a role, overdoses, murders, suicides, people not seeking medical help and many others I’m sure.  I know Od’s are up quite a bit. You seem to be making the leap that it’s all COVID and nothing else. Some of its Covid of course. Some of its not. The number being touted is impossible in my opinion, based on my experience. I’ve seen murders become natural deaths and the opposite as well. If a stat can be manipulated and the ones in charge of the stats have something to gain, it’s very likely they will be. 

No I’m not saying it’s all covid.  I’m saying that’s the biggest factor.  I’m sure a lot of those things you mentioned are happening, but when you look at the total number of deaths per year in those categories and then only look at what’s higher than normal, it’s insignificant compared to covid deaths.   And if we’re playing that game, you can also point out that there have been less motor vehicle deaths this year (the “rate” is higher because less miles have been driven, but total deaths are down last I checked).

The CDC posts weekly deaths of all and several causes - we are over 300k higher than last year, I doubt they’ll be changing that unless those dead people come back to life - https://data.cdc.gov/widgets/muzy-jte6

Some increase is to be expected due to population growth, but last I looked we were like 12% up vs last year when most years are like 3%.  

In addition, and to your point about the shootings, within that same link the CDC tracks BOTH “with covid” deaths and where covid was the “underlying cause”.  Last I looked about a week ago it was the underlying cause in about 92% of the “with covid” deaths.  I do think “the number” that gets publicized is the “with covid deaths,” but my understanding is that’s because that information is received quicker and they don’t get the underlying cause info until the death certificates are processed (which I believe is a couple weeks behind).  

So it’s possible “the number” is inflated by about 8%.  But that’s not including that there were likely deaths that were covid that died at their home without being tested.

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1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

No I’m not saying it’s all covid.  I’m saying that’s the biggest factor.  I’m sure a lot of those things you mentioned are happening, but when you look at the total number of deaths per year in those categories and then only look at what’s higher than normal, it’s insignificant compared to covid deaths.   And if we’re playing that game, you can also point out that there have been less motor vehicle deaths this year (the “rate” is higher because less miles have been driven, but total deaths are down last I checked).

The CDC posts weekly deaths of all and several causes - we are over 300k higher than last year, I doubt they’ll be changing that unless those dead people come back to life - https://data.cdc.gov/widgets/muzy-jte6

Some increase is to be expected due to population growth, but last I looked we were like 12% up vs last year when most years are like 3%.  

In addition, and to your point about the shootings, within that same link the CDC tracks BOTH “with covid” deaths and where covid was the “underlying cause”.  Last I looked about a week ago it was the underlying cause in about 92% of the “with covid” deaths.  I do think “the number” that gets publicized is the “with covid deaths,” but my understanding is that’s because that information is received quicker and they don’t get the underlying cause info until the death certificates are processed (which I believe is a couple weeks behind).  

So it’s possible “the number” is inflated by about 8%.  But that’s not including that there were likely deaths that were covid that died at their home without being tested.

50% of Covid deaths are from nursing homes, and I'd bet 50% of those all came from about 4 states that used nursing homes as pawns in this political game.  We would have a hell of a lot less deaths due to Covid if some Governor's hadn't murdered I don't know how many thousand elderly people in nursing homes with their policies. 

[TimHauck 2,902]

Also, to summarize why the “just 6%” thing is wrong, the 6% is where covid was listed as the ONLY factor.   Almost all deaths regardless of cause will list multiple factors.  Many of the other “factors” listed among covid deaths were things like pneumonia which is just a symptom of covid:

[Strike 5,565]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Also, to summarize why the “just 6%” thing is wrong, the 6% is where covid was listed as the ONLY factor.   Almost all deaths regardless of cause will list multiple factors.  Many of the other “factors” listed among covid deaths were things like pneumonia which is just a symptom of covid:

Wow, how did people have Covid Symptoms decades before Covid existed? 

[nobody 2,687]

14 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

When people want to believe something, it’s very hard for them not to. It’s almost like religion, or falling in love. It can blind you. 

I want to believe covid deaths are massively over-inflated, but looking at the numbers, it’s hard to explain away 300k excess deaths.  Call 100k of that BS or lockdown induced.  Covid is still getting quite a few people.  And I was on that before most people because I looked up the numbers thinking it would prove Covid deaths were inflated.  That was actually why I looked it up.  To my surprise, the excess death numbers said exactly what I didn’t want them to say.  Still think we should open up and make masks personal choice, of course, because I wouldn’t tank the economy for 500k lives.  But the numbers are the numbers.

[TimHauck 2,902]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

50% of Covid deaths are from nursing homes, and I'd bet 50% of those all came from about 4 states that used nursing homes as pawns in this political game.  We would have a hell of a lot less deaths due to Covid if some Governor's hadn't murdered I don't know how many thousand elderly people in nursing homes with their policies. 

Yes this is true although I don’t know the specific percentages.

Piggybacking on that point, I would say the other best argument for downplaying covid is that it’s possible total deaths in 2021 (or maybe 2022 at this point since it seems like it’s not going away to start 2021) could go down.   This will definitely be interesting to keep an eye on.

[Cdub100 3,925]

3 minutes ago, Strike said:

50% of Covid deaths are from nursing homes, and I'd bet 50% of those all came from about 4 states that used nursing homes as pawns in this political game.  We would have a hell of a lot less deaths due to Covid if some Governor's hadn't murdered I don't know how many thousand elderly people in nursing homes with their policies. 

Turns out when you intentionally put sick people in nursing homes more people die. Weird how that happens.

Tim just can't figure it out though.

 

[Cdub100 3,925]

4 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Also, to summarize why the “just 6%” thing is wrong, the 6% is where covid was listed as the ONLY factor.   Almost all deaths regardless of cause will list multiple factors.  Many of the other “factors” listed among covid deaths were things like pneumonia which is just a symptom of covid:

What the actual fock. 

[TimHauck 2,902]

2 minutes ago, Strike said:

Wow, how did people have Covid Symptoms decades before Covid existed? 

C’mon you know what I meant—I was referring to covid patients.  They usually get covid first, then pneumonia.

btw I am no longer responding to you cdub

[Cdub100 3,925]

Just now, TimHauck said:

C’mon you know what I meant—I was referring to covid patients.  They usually get covid first, then pneumonia.

btw I am no longer responding to you cdub

Nobody knows what you mean, because you don't know what you're talking about. 

[TimHauck 2,902]

7 minutes ago, nobody said:

I want to believe covid deaths are massively over-inflated, but looking at the numbers, it’s hard to explain away 300k excess deaths.  Call 100k of that BS or lockdown induced.  Covid is still getting quite a few people.  And I was on that before most people because I looked up the numbers thinking it would prove Covid deaths were inflated.  That was actually why I looked it up.  To my surprise, the excess death numbers said exactly what I didn’t want them to say.  Still think we should open up and make masks personal choice, of course, because I wouldn’t tank the economy for 500k lives.  But the numbers are the numbers.

This (edit:  except I think masks should be required where you can’t socially distance - even though they will not 100% stop the spread)

[Strike 5,565]

2 minutes ago, nobody said:

I want to believe covid deaths are massively over-inflated, but looking at the numbers, it’s hard to explain away 300k excess deaths.  Call 100k of that BS or lockdown induced.  Covid is still getting quite a few people.  And I was on that before most people because I looked up the numbers thinking it would prove Covid deaths were inflated.  That was actually why I looked it up.  To my surprise, the excess death numbers said exactly what I didn’t want them to say.  Still think we should open up and make masks personal choice, of course, because I wouldn’t tank the economy for 500k lives.  But the numbers are the numbers.

100k people have died in Nursing Homes, and we know those numbers are low because NY doesn't report those numbers correctly due to Cuomo murdering all those people.  We needed better policies regarding Nursing Homes earlier.  We could have prevented a LOT of those deaths.

[Strike 5,565]

4 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

C’mon you know what I meant—I was referring to covid patients.  They usually get covid first, then pneumonia.

btw I am no longer responding to you cdub

Link?

[Cdub100 3,925]

5 minutes ago, nobody said:

I want to believe covid deaths are massively over-inflated, but looking at the numbers, it’s hard to explain away 300k excess deaths.  Call 100k of that BS or lockdown induced.  Covid is still getting quite a few people.  And I was on that before most people because I looked up the numbers thinking it would prove Covid deaths were inflated.  That was actually why I looked it up.  To my surprise, the excess death numbers said exactly what I didn’t want them to say.  Still think we should open up and make masks personal choice, of course, because I wouldn’t tank the economy for 500k lives.  But the numbers are the numbers.

Covid is just as deadly as influenza. The difference is/was we have a vaccine for the flu. If we didn't, you'd see the same kind of death numbers. The thing is just like the flu the very old die from it. The healthy (in general) will be just fine. 

Note - Influenza kills young healthy people too, but it didn't get the same press as covid.

This is a fact that Tim ignores.