Coronavirus - Doomsday

[Fireballer 2,642]

3 hours ago, lod001 said:

Wait. The hospital staffs are all completely overwhelmed with patients 

 

I certainly don't buy into the widespread overwhelmed hospital nonsense, but this video needs context.  This could easily be a team building/stress relief activity for people who just got off shift.

[Reality 3,121]

It is pretty cool that the flu has been cured. 2020 wasn't all bad.

[Strike 5,553]

This seems excessive.....

https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/crime/bs-md-ci-cr-officer-charged-over-covid-mask-20201230-mfvy7qr3tngfpo4oujdism37t4-story.html

[TimHauck 2,877]

43 minutes ago, Reality said:

It is pretty cool that the flu has been cured. 2020 wasn't all bad.

What do you all think is happening?  That they are calling all flu cases covid?  You know we have a test for flu right?  I’m sure there are some people not going to the doctor this year who otherwise would have  keeping confirmed cases down, but you don’t think all the people social distancing and working and going to school from home would result in less flu cases?  Not to mention for schools and workplaces that are in person are being more strict about people staying home if they have any symptoms (note: I’m not including masks as a main reason)

[Reality 3,121]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

What do you all think is happening?  That they are calling all flu cases covid?  You know we have a test for flu right?  I’m sure there are some people not going to the doctor this year who otherwise would have  keeping confirmed cases down, but you don’t think all the people social distancing and working and going to school from home would result in less flu cases?  Not to mention for schools and workplaces that are in person are being more strict about people staying home if they have any symptoms (note: I’m not including masks as a main reason)

It's obvious what I'm saying, it's pretty incredible that we cured the flu.

It's incredible that everything you are saying is stopping the spread of the flu but, isn't working for stopping the spread of Covid. It's sort of interesting isn't it?

[TimHauck 2,877]

1 minute ago, Reality said:

It's obvious what I'm saying, it's pretty incredible that we cured the flu.

It's incredible that everything you are saying is stopping the spread of the flu but, isn't working for stopping the spread of Covid. It's sort of interesting isn't it?

Well considering we have a vaccine for flu, and there is “scant if any evidence that asymptomatic and presymptomatic individuals play an important role in flu transmission,” no it’s not “incredible”

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2646474/#idm140695656732416title

[Reality 3,121]

3 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Well considering we have a vaccine for flu, and there is “scant if any evidence that asymptomatic and presymptomatic individuals play an important role in flu transmission,” no it’s not “incredible”

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2646474/#idm140695656732416title

It's not incredible that we cured the flu, interesting...

[TimHauck 2,877]

3 minutes ago, Reality said:

It's not incredible that we cured the flu, interesting...

We didn’t cure the flu.  But when people are being more careful and not around nearly as many people as they have been in the past, it’s not that surprising that flu cases would be down (even though covid cases are still high since there is no vaccine and it is more infectious than the flu).

[lickin_starfish 1,937]

The nurses are probably at dance rehearsal...

https://mobile.twitter.com/Yeadoncampaign/status/1344297371547672577

[Fireballer 2,642]

32 minutes ago, Strike said:

This seems excessive.....

https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/crime/bs-md-ci-cr-officer-charged-over-covid-mask-20201230-mfvy7qr3tngfpo4oujdism37t4-story.html

This is woefully irresponsible journalism.  What is left out is that, most likely, the store refused service to this person but they refused to leave.  As a result, police got involved and the trespasser didn't comply with police which caused them to use force. This article makes it sound like the police got physical simply based on refusal to wear a mask. I am though in no way condoning excessive force to gain compliance.

[Cdub100 3,909]

16 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

This is woefully irresponsible journalism.  What is left out is that, most likely, the store refused service to this person but they refused to leave.  As a result, police got involved and the trespasser didn't comply with police which caused them to use force. This article makes it sound like the police got physical simply based on refusal to wear a mask. I am though in no way condoning excessive force to gain compliance.

Correct. I've never been asked to leave for not wearing a mask* If I was asked to leave the store by a manager I would leave. 

 

*one worker at a granite place asked me to wear a mask I politely declined and she suggested we conduct our business outside which I again politely agreed to.

[Cdub100 3,909]

35 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Well considering we have a vaccine for flu, and there is “scant if any evidence that asymptomatic and presymptomatic individuals play an important role in flu transmission,” no it’s not “incredible”

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2646474/#idm140695656732416title

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,439]

29 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

We didn’t cure the flu.  But when people are being more careful and not around nearly as many people as they have been in the past, it’s not that surprising that flu cases would be down (even though covid cases are still high since there is no vaccine and it is more infectious than the flu).

Earlier you have brought up a decrease in vehicle fatalities. Not the case in a significant manner. They are actually projected to rise in the last quarter.  

[Reality 3,121]

24 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

 

Please stop ruining narratives, it makes this game less fun.

 

[TimHauck 2,877]

29 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Earlier you have brought up a decrease in vehicle fatalities. Not the case in a significant manner. They are actually projected to rise in the last quarter.  

Projected, that’s cute.  I agree it’s insignificant, but probably at worst cancels out the alleged increase in suicides

[TimHauck 2,877]

6 minutes ago, Reality said:

Please stop ruining narratives, it makes this game less fun.

 

From the author of that study:

 

It does seem possible that asymptomatic transmission is rare.  However presymptomatic transmission is not.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,439]

6 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Projected, that’s cute.  I agree it’s insignificant, but probably at worst cancels out the alleged increase in suicides

Really? Cancels it out? You just tossed it out there.  It was easily debunked.  Funny you didn’t bring up opioid overdoses.  

[lod001 1,344]

2 hours ago, Reality said:

It is pretty cool that the flu has been cured. 2020 wasn't all bad.

One of the best flu seasons ever. incredible how that happened.

[Cdub100 3,909]

15 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

From the author of that study:

 

It does seem possible that asymptomatic transmission is rare.  However presymptomatic transmission is not.

They looked at people living CLOSE together. Which is the #1 way to spread a virus and found next to nothing in the way of asymptom and presymptom spread. CDC says the vast majority of people who catch COVID are in close contact with another infected person for 10-15 minutes.

So Asymptomatic is statistically zero as is presymptomatic. 

You can stop spreading your propaganda. 

 

Note - Knowing all this also shows the general public wearing mask does absolutely nothing. Those of us who actually follow science already knew of course..

[Reality 3,121]

12 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

From the author of that study:

 

It does seem possible that asymptomatic transmission is rare.  However presymptomatic transmission is not.

Insignificant or statistically zero, that is quite rare.

[Reality 3,121]

2 minutes ago, lod001 said:

One of the best flu seasons ever. incredible how that happened.

Well, yeah... Vaccines and stuff...

[Cdub100 3,909]

Just now, Reality said:

Insignificant or statistically zero, that is quite rare.

He won't let it go. Even though the truth is right there he will engage in double think.

[lod001 1,344]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

What do you all think is happening?  That they are calling all flu cases covid?  You know we have a test for flu right?  I’m sure there are some people not going to the doctor this year who otherwise would have  keeping confirmed cases down, but you don’t think all the people social distancing and working and going to school from home would result in less flu cases?  Not to mention for schools and workplaces that are in person are being more strict about people staying home if they have any symptoms (note: I’m not including masks as a main reason)

Quite the opposite. Think about it. All these mask wearers, if they get the flu, do you really think they are just gonna stay home (after all the fear mongering headlines of people dying of covid like the newly elected house rep.) and try and wait it out. Hell no, they are all making a b-line to the emergency room...with the flu....then getting tagged covid.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

21 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

From the author of that study:

 

It does seem possible that asymptomatic transmission is rare.  However presymptomatic transmission is not.

Where in the study does it support that assertion?  

[Strike 5,553]

6 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

He won't let it go. Even though the truth is right there he will engage in double think.

He's like Peenie.  Acknowledges when you catch him in an untruth and acts like he learned something, but a couple pages later he's back to his original talking points.

[drobeski 3,061]

2 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Projected, that’s cute.  I agree it’s insignificant, but probably at worst cancels out the alleged increase in suicides

Now projected doesn't matter? They've been and still are making life, career,business health both mental and physical destroying illogical regulations based off of covid projections, and you're basically admitting basing things off of projections is a joke.  

I have that correct,  right ?

[Cdub100 3,909]

3 minutes ago, drobeski said:

Now projected doesn't matter? They've been and still making life, career,business health both mental and physical destroying illogical regulations based off of covid projections, and you're basically admitting basing things off of projections is a joke.  

I have that correct,  right ?

6 BAJILLION dead! Almost as many as when Trump canceled Net Neutrality. What aren't you getting?!?!?!?!?!?!? It's the SCIENCE!!!!

[MDC 7,432]

2 hours ago, lod001 said:

One of the best flu seasons ever. incredible how that happened.

It’s almost like mask wearing and social distancing reduce disease.

[TimHauck 2,877]

3 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Really? Cancels it out? You just tossed it out there.  It was easily debunked.  Funny you didn’t bring up opioid overdoses.  

What was easily debunked?  You think motor vehicle deaths will be up for the year?  

I just “tossed it out” as a counterpoint to those that continue to bring up suicides, overdoses, murders, etc.    Yes, they’re probably happening (although I don’t believe we have good data on most of those except murders and even if murders end up up +40% then that’s only about 6k additional deaths), but other causes could be down, and all of those things combined pale in comparison to covid deaths.   

In addition, I maintain that many of those are due to the virus, not lockdowns specifically.   For example people not seeking medical care — people, especially those with underlying conditions or weaker immune systems, were less likely to seek care regardless of whether there were any restrictions.  And contrary to what many may think, industries such as restaurants, airlines, hotels, movie theaters, etc were going to take a massive hit no matter what.

[TimHauck 2,877]

3 hours ago, lod001 said:

Quite the opposite. Think about it. All these mask wearers, if they get the flu, do you really think they are just gonna stay home (after all the fear mongering headlines of people dying of covid like the newly elected house rep.) and try and wait it out. Hell no, they are all making a b-line to the emergency room...with the flu....then getting tagged covid.

Lol what?  Again, we have a test for flu: 0.1% positive in most recent data - https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm

We also have a test for covid of course.  Maybe it happened early on due to lack of testing if they exhibited tell-tale symptoms (when it wasn’t even flu season), but no one is getting “tagged covid” unless they test positive.  And once again, CDC clearly states that 92% of “with covid” deaths list covid as the underlying cause.

Now you guys are just making stuff up with no basis in fact.  I’m sure if the flu was up you’d be shouting “see, social distancing and masks don’t work!!”

 

[Fireballer 2,642]

 

[tanatastic 2,062]

16 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Now you guys are just making stuff up with no basis in fact.  I’m sure if the flu was up you’d be shouting “see, social distancing and masks don’t work!!”

You are arguing with guys who only some months ago thought the entire virus was made up by Obama and Hillary to take our guns and rights and discredit Trump. You are arguing with guys who probably have youtube videos of them making a public scene and going on political rants when clerks tell them to leave the store because they have no mask on and they claim it’s their right.

They get their “facts” entirely from websites run by far right bunkered up conspiracy nuts and absolutely nowhere else.

[lod001 1,344]

 Masks are stopping the flu which is virtually non-existent but covid rages on. You guys are idiots.

[TimHauck 2,877]

4 hours ago, TimmySmith said:

Where in the study does it support that assertion?  

Under the “Discussion” heading - “presymptomatic transmission does occur”

Edit:  probably also worth noting that it stated that presymptomatic transmission was NOT observed for both MERS and SARS-1

[TimHauck 2,877]

10 minutes ago, lod001 said:

 Masks are stopping the flu which is virtually non-existent but covid rages on. You guys are idiots.

I don’t think masks are stopping it.  I think people working and going to school from home, and those that are going to work and school actually caring about not coming to work/school when they’re sick is the biggest thing stopping it.

Couple that with having a vaccine for flu and covid being more infectious and having more evidence of presymptomatic transmission and this isn’t rocket science that covid is still “raging on” while flu is down 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,439]

37 minutes ago, tanatastic said:

You are arguing with guys who only some months ago thought the entire virus was made up by Obama and Hillary to take our guns and rights and discredit Trump. You are arguing with guys who probably have youtube videos of them making a public scene and going on political rants when clerks tell them to leave the store because they have no mask on and they claim it’s their right.

They get their “facts” entirely from websites run by far right bunkered up conspiracy nuts and absolutely nowhere else.

Yeah, you’re getting good at telling stories. They are complete bullshit, but they do entertain a little bit. 

[Gladiators 1,991]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yeah, you’re getting good at telling stories. They are complete bullshit, but they do entertain a little bit. 

He so  desperately wants it to be true though.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,351]

I can tell you guys without doubt that it can be transferred asymptomatically, there is no question in my mind.  I have been around nobody who was even remotely sick, hell I haven't even been around anyone outside my family in a month, and I still got it and nobody else in my family did

 

 

[Djgb13 2,339]

My FILs 88 year old grandma with COPD recovered from COVID and is doing just fine. Which is literally the case for 97% of people who caught it. 2% dying and 1% recovered from it but with complications. Too many people desperately want it to be much deadlier but it’s not 

[drobeski 3,061]

23 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yeah, you’re getting good at telling stories. They are complete bullshit, but they do entertain a little bit. 

Its pathetic. Still a child, in the land of make believe.