Coronavirus - Doomsday

[drobeski 3,061]

10 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Yup, the whole entire world had a giant conspiracy to grow Amazon profits!!

Who said anything about Amazon? 

[edjr 5,564]

if you are 85 and older and you get the WuFlu, you should be sent to a gas chamber, not the ICU

[GutterBoy 2,281]

1 minute ago, edjr said:

if you are 85 and older and you get the WuFlu, you should be sent to a gas chamber, not the ICU

Actually if you're 85 or older, you should be sent to the gas chamber before you get the WuFlu, this way you don't spread it to anyone else.

[edjr 5,564]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

Actually if you're 85 or older, you should be sent to the gas chamber before you get the WuFlu, this way you don't spread it to anyone else.

I would say 90. We have far too many people alive. 90 and over, fock ya.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

7 minutes ago, edjr said:

if you are 85 and older and you get the WuFlu, you should be sent to a gas chamber, not the ICU

My neighbor's 97 year old mother got it in her elder care facility. I don't think it was her fault. 

She recovered. 

[edjr 5,564]

9 minutes ago, Patriotsfatboy1 said:

My neighbor's 97 year old mother got it in her elder care facility. I don't think it was her fault. 

She recovered. 

Don't care. We don't need 97 year old's slowly crawling the earth. Fock em

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

11 hours ago, edjr said:

Don't care. We don't need 97 year old's slowly crawling the earth. Fock em

We usually say the same about cocaine sniffing DJ’s.

[edjr 5,564]

10 hours ago, Patriotsfatboy1 said:

We usually say the same about cocaine sniffing DJ’s.

That's the best kind.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,432]

1 hour ago, edjr said:

That's the best kind.

 

[Hardcore troubadour 12,636]

On 1/6/2021 at 8:28 AM, TimHauck said:

Obviously it’s not a good reason but I’d bet part of the reason is private schools have people paying to go there, so I’m sure public schools are probably more worried about being sued:

To answer your blatantly obvious original question, any differences in policy of course are because of the local governments.

Private schools don’t have a teachers union.  There’s your answer. It’s not local policy. Same town, one school open, the other is not. Are you saying the private school isn’t following policy? 

[Strike 3,968]

4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Private schools don’t have a teachers union.  There’s your answer. It’s not local policy. Same town, one school open, the other is not. Are you saying the private school isn’t following policy? 

 

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About 40% of Chicago Public Schools teachers and staff who were expected to report to schools Monday for the first time during the pandemic didn’t show up for in-person work, officials said Tuesday, accusing the Chicago Teachers Union of pressuring its members to defy CPS’s orders.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/education/2021/1/5/22214895/chicago-public-schools-coronavirus-teachers-return-classroom-in-person-instruction-ctu-cps-covid-19

[TimHauck 1,799]

10 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Private schools don’t have a teachers union.  There’s your answer. It’s not local policy. Same town, one school open, the other is not. Are you saying the private school isn’t following policy? 

Yeah that’s probably the answer for public/private in the same town.  I was talking about when you were asking about different states

[TimHauck 1,799]

On 1/5/2021 at 4:51 AM, drobeski said:

Oh, about the  OMG cases and the PCR tests us fools have been railing about. Get ready kids.....

https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/fda-admits-pcr-tests-give-false-results-prepares-ground-biden-virus-rescue-miracle

FDA Admits PCR Tests Give False Results, Prepares Ground For Biden To "Crush" Casedemic

BY TYLER DURDEN

MONDAY, JAN 04, 2021 - 19:20

The FDA today joined The WHO and Dr.Fauci in admitting there is a notable risk of false results from the standard PCR-Test used to define whether an individual is a COVID "Case" or not.

This matters significantly as it fits perfectly with the 'fake rescue' plan we have previously described would occur once the Biden admin took office. But before we get to that 'conspiracy', we need a little background on how the world got here...

We have detailed the controversy surrounding America's COVID "casedemic" and the misleading results of the PCR test and its amplification procedure in great detail over the past few months.

 

As a reminder, "cycle thresholds" (Ct) are the level at which widely used polymerase chain reaction (PCR) test can detect a sample of the COVID-19 virus. The higher the number of cycles, the lower the amount of viral load in the sample; the lower the cycles, the more prevalent the virus was in the original sample.

Numerous epidemiological experts have argued that cycle thresholds are an important metric by which patients, the public, and policymakers can make more informed decisions about how infectious and/or sick an individual with a positive COVID-19 test might be. However, as JustTheNews reports, health departments across the country are failing to collect that data.

Here are a few headlines from those experts and scientific studies:

1. Experts compiled three datasets with officials from the states of Massachusetts, New York and Nevada that conclude:“Up to 90% of the people who tested positive did not carry a virus."

2. The Wadworth Center, a New York State laboratory, analyzed the results of its July tests at the request of the NYT: 794 positive tests with a Ct of 40: “With a Ct threshold of 35, approximately half of these PCR tests would no longer be considered positive,” said the NYT. “And about 70% would no longer be considered positive with a Ct of 30! “

3. An appeals court in Portugal has ruled that the PCR process is not a reliable test for Sars-Cov-2, and therefore any enforced quarantine based on those test results is unlawful.

4. A new study from the Infectious Diseases Society of America, found that at 25 cycles of amplification, 70% of PCR test "positives" are not "cases" since the virus cannot be cultured, it's dead. And by 35: 97% of the positives are non-clinical.

5. PCR is not testing for disease, it's testing for a specific RNA pattern and this is the key pivot. When you crank it up to 25, 70% of the positive results are not really "positives" in any clinical sense, since it cannot make you or anyone else sick

So, in summary, with regard to our current "casedemic", positive tests as they are counted today do not indicate a “case” of anything. They indicate that viral RNA was found in a nasal swab. It may be enough to make you sick, but according to the New York Times and their experts, probably won’t. And certainly not sufficient replication of the virus to make anyone else sick. But you will be sent home for ten days anyway, even if you never have a sniffle. And this is the number the media breathlessly reports... and is used to fearmonger mask mandates and lockdowns nationwide...

 

In October we first exposed how PCR Tests have misled officials worldwide into insanely authoritative reactions.

As PJMedia's Stacey Lennox wrote, the “casedemic" is the elevated number of cases we see nationwide because of a flaw in the PCR test. The number of times the sample is amplified, also called the cycle threshold (Ct), is too high.

It identifies people who do not have a viral load capable of making them ill or transmitting the disease to someone else as positive for COVID-19.

The New York Times reported this flaw on August 29 and said that in the samples they reviewed from three states where labs use a Ct of 37-40, up to 90% of tests are essentially false positives. The experts in that article said a Ct of around 30 would be more appropriate for indicating that someone could be contagious - those for whom contact tracing would make sense.

Just a few days earlier, the CDC had updated its guidelines to discourage testing for asymptomatic individuals. It can only be assumed that the rationale for this was that some honest bureaucrat figured out the testing was needlessly sensitive. He or she has probably been demoted.

This change was preceded by a July update that discouraged retesting for recovered patients. The rationale for the update was that viral debris could be detected using the PCR test for 90 days after recovery. The same would be true for some period of time if an individual had an effective immune response and never got sick. Existing immunity from exposure to other coronaviruses has been well documented. These are many of your “asymptomatic” cases.

However, due to political pressure and corporate media tantrums, the new guidance on testing was scrapped, and testing for asymptomatic individuals is now recommended again. Doctors do not receive the Ct information from the labs to make a diagnostic judgment. Neither the CDC nor the FDA has put out guidelines for an accurate Ct to diagnose a contagious illness accurately.

Hence, our current “casedemic.” Positive tests as they are counted today do not indicate a “case” of anything. They indicate that viral RNA was found in a nasal swab. It may be enough to make you sick, but according to the New York Times and their experts, probably won’t. And certainly not sufficient replication of the virus to make anyone else sick. But you will be sent home for ten days anyway, even if you never have a sniffle. And this is the number the media breathlessly reports.

A month later, Dr. Pascal Sacré, explained in great detail how all current propaganda on the COVID-19 pandemic is based on an assumption that is considered obvious, true and no longer questioned: Positive RT-PCR test means being sick with COVID.

This assumption is misleading.  Very few people, including doctors, understand how a PCR test works.

 

In mid-November, none other than he who should not be questioned - Dr. Anthony Fauci - admitted that the PCR Test's high Ct is misleading:

“What is now sort of evolving into a bit of a standard,” Fauci said, is that “if you get a cycle threshold of 35 or more … the chances of it being replication-confident are minuscule.”

“It’s very frustrating for the patients as well as for the physicians,” he continued, when “somebody comes in, and they repeat their PCR, and it’s like [a] 37 cycle threshold, but you almost never can culture virus from a 37 threshold cycle.”

So, I think if somebody does come in with 37, 38, even 36, you got to say, you know, it’s just dead nucleotides, period.”

So, if anyone raises this discussion as a "conspiracy", refer them to Dr.Fauci.

In response to this and the actual "science", Florida's Department of Health (and signed off on by Florida's Republican Governor Ron deSantis), decided that for the first time in the history of the pandemic, a state will require that all labs in the state report the critical “cycle threshold” level of every COVID-19 test they perform.

All of which leads us to today's announcement from The FDA...

 

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is alerting patients and health care providers of the risk of false results... with the Curative SARS-Cov-2 test.

And why does this matter?

Well it's simple - this is how the establishment can show Joe Biden's plan is miraculously rescue the world.

We explained the "fake rescue" plan in October.

The Fake Rescue

Biden will issue national standards, like the plexiglass barriers in restaurants he spoke about during the debate, and pressure governors to implement mask mandates using the federal government’s financial leverage (NOTE: his 100-day mask-wearing 'mandate' is already in play).

Some hack at the CDC or FDA will issue new guidance lowering the Ct the labs use, and cases will magically start to fall.

In reality, the change will only eliminate false positives, but most Americans won’t know that.

Good old Uncle Joe will be the hero, even though it is Deep-State actors in the health bureaucracies who won’t solve a problem with testing they have been aware of for months. TDS is a heck of a drug.

 

So, there you have it folks... First Fauci, then WHO, now FDA all admit there is malarkey in the PCR Tests, but have - until now, done nothing about it... allowing the daily fearmongering of soaring "cases" to enable their most twisted 1984-esque controls.

All that's needed now is for one of these estemeed groups to decide to cut the Ct for a "positive" PCR Test to say 15x or 20x and suddenly, we are rescued from the "Dark Winter" as Biden's plan slashes the positive case count dramatically... we are saved.

As an aside, this also clearly explains the disappearance of the "flu" during this season as the plethora of high Ct PCR Tests supposedly pointing to a surge in COVID are nothing of the sort.

As Stephen Lendman noted previously, claiming “lockdowns stopped flu in its tracks, (outbreaks) plummet(ting) by 98% in the United States” ignored that what’s called COVID is merely seasonal influenza combined with false positives (extremely high Ct) from PCR-Tests.

And for that reason, the great 2020 disappearing flu passes largely under the mass media’s radar. Media proliferated mass deception and power of repetition get most people to believe and having successfully "killed the flu", they will now do the same with COVID... and, if allowed by our betters, we will all return to the new normal they desire.

Question for you doctor:

So is your claim that the false positives mean that those people were not actually infected with covid?

[Hardcore troubadour 12,636]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

Yeah that’s probably the answer for public/private in the same town.  I was talking about when you were asking about different states

So it’s not about policy, it’s about the teachers union putting themselves first. Glad that’s cleared up. I actually saw a benefit on line “for our teachers”. Of course it was leftist musicians like Eddie Veder. What a joke. Millions of restaurant and other workers out of work, concert industry, bars that have their music on the juke box going out of business and they decide the teachers are the ones who need help. I wonder why? It’s obvious none of them have spoken to parents or students about the matter. What do they care what they have to say? Not aligned politically, that’s why. 

[drobeski 3,061]

4 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Question for you doctor:

So is your claim that the false positives mean that those people were not actually infected with covid?

You don't know, ffs they don't know. Remnants of the common cold give the exact same results at the higher cycle rate. It doesn't matter if they did, its meaningless, harmless and not contagious at those levels.  Besides, I didn't write the article.  Dispute it..... you went at me because you can't. 

 

[Cdub100 3,380]

1 minute ago, drobeski said:

You don't know, ffs they don't know. Remnants of the common cold give the exact same results at the higher cycle rate. It doesn't matter if they did, its meaningless, harmless and not contagious at those levels.  

Idiots think they got covid but really just had a cold.

[drobeski 3,061]

6 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

Idiots think they got covid but really just had a cold.

Yeah but having covid gets way more likes and emojis. 

[TimHauck 1,799]

16 minutes ago, drobeski said:

You don't know, ffs they don't know. Remnants of the common cold give the exact same results at the higher cycle rate. It doesn't matter if they did, its meaningless, harmless and not contagious at those levels.  Besides, I didn't write the article.  Dispute it..... you went at me because you can't. 

 

Reason I asked was if allegedly many false positives didn't actually have covid, then that would make the death rate even higher.   So you can't have it both ways.

[Hawkeye21 1,853]

11 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

Idiots think they got covid but really just had a cold.

 

4 minutes ago, drobeski said:

Yeah but having covid gets way more likes and emojis. 

Have either of you had COVID yet?  While it may not be very bad it does feel different than a cold for most people.  I know a lot of people who have had it and it's strange how different it is for each person.  It was not serious for the majority of people I know who had it though.

[drobeski 3,061]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

Reason I asked was if allegedly many false positives didn't actually have covid, then that would make the death rate even higher.   So you can't have it both ways.

No it wouldn't. That's pretty dumb. 

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Just now, TimHauck said:

Reason I asked was if allegedly many false positives didn't actually have covid, then that would make the death rate even higher.   So you can't have it both ways.

Yeah, we'd have even MORE motorcycle Covid accident deaths!!!

[TimHauck 1,799]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

Yeah, we'd have even MORE motorcycle Covid accident deaths!!!

I noticed you didn't reply to me proving you wrong about your California "article"

[Strike 3,968]

1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

 

Have either of you had COVID yet?  While it may not be very bad it does feel different than a cold for most people.  I know a lot of people who have had it and it's strange how different it is for each person.  It was not serious for the majority of people I know who had it though.

Wrong again.  Most people don't even know they had it. 

[Strike 3,968]

Just now, TimHauck said:

I noticed you didn't reply to me proving you wrong about your California "article"

You didn't prove me wrong about anything.  I posted links; you posted links.  You wanna pretend sh*t ain't bad when I'm posting articles from ground zero saying it's a shitsh*w.  I'm not gonna go back and forth with you when you've just being obstinate. 

[TimHauck 1,799]

2 minutes ago, drobeski said:

No it wouldn't 

Yes, it would.  I know there are people that have it and don't get tested, but that is already included in the estimates for IFR.    So if the claim is that some (many?) of the the people that actually test positives were never actually infected, then the IFR would be higher.

[Hawkeye21 1,853]

Just now, Strike said:

Wrong again.  Most people don't even know they had it. 

Have you had it or do you know many people who have had it?

If people didn't know they had it how do they know now?

[drobeski 3,061]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

Yeah, we'd have even MORE motorcycle Covid accident deaths!!!

He thinks he gets to weed the false positive dead out of the false positives . 

[TimHauck 1,799]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

You didn't prove me wrong about anything.  I posted links; you posted links.  You wanna pretend sh*t ain't bad when I'm posting articles from ground zero saying it's a shitsh*w.  I'm not gonna go back and forth with you when you've just being obstinate. 

Your very own link said the situation was improving from a few weeks prior.

[Strike 3,968]

Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

Have you had it or do you know many people who have had it?

If people didn't know they had it how do they know now?

How does who know now what?  You should learn to write proper English so I don't have to try to guess what you're saying.

[Strike 3,968]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

Your very own link said the situation was improving from a few weeks prior.

Was that before or after they said they were instructing ambulance drivers to not even bring some hopeless cases to the hospital because they were so full?

[TimHauck 1,799]

2 minutes ago, drobeski said:

He thinks he gets to weed the false positive dead out of the false positives . 

No, the overwhelming majority of the "false positives" don't die

[Hawkeye21 1,853]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

How does who know now what?  You should learn to write proper English so I don't have to try to guess what you're saying.

It was written properly, it was just confusing.  You said that people don't even know they had it.  Where does that info come from?  If they didn't know they had it, then who says they had it at all?  Were they tested and shown that they had it before?

[TimHauck 1,799]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

Was that before or after they said they were instructing ambulance drivers to not even bring some hopeless cases to the hospital because they were so full?

After I believe.  You were the one that started talking about cases - cases look to be improving.   Cases aren't a perfect measure but there is usually a correlation between cases and hospitalizations/deaths which lag cases.

[Strike 3,968]

5 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

It was written properly, it was just confusing.  You said that people don't even know they had it.  Where does that info come from?  If they didn't know they had it, then who says they had it at all?  Were they tested and shown that they had it before?

Yes, there have been a number of antibody studies done. 

[Hawkeye21 1,853]

Just now, Strike said:

Yes, there have been a number of antibody studies done. 

Do those studies suggest that most people who have had COVID did not know they even had it?  Is there any data to back that up.  My post was based purely on anecdotal evidence because I know a lot of people who have had it or have it now.

[Strike 3,968]

1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Do those studies suggest that most people who have had COVID did not know they even had it?  Is there any data to back that up.  My post was based purely on anecdotal evidence because I know a lot of people who have had it or have it now.

Do your own research.  I don't know the exact numbers and don't really care that much. It's a significant percentage though.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,636]

Dead men tell no tales. “Mark that one as Covid”. “Ok boss”.  Lol. 

[Hawkeye21 1,853]

Just now, Strike said:

Do your own research.  I don't know the exact numbers and don't really care that much. It's a significant percentage though.

You're the one who said it.  Sounds like you just made it up so you could argue.  My post was at least based on anecdotal evidence.

[Strike 3,968]

Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

You're the one who said it.  Sounds like you just made it up so you could argue.  My post was at least based on anecdotal evidence.

Believe what you want.  Stay ignorant.  That's pretty common from some of the people around here.   I don't care. 

[drobeski 3,061]

22 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

No, the overwhelming majority of the "false positives" don't die

The overwhelming majority of covid dead are false positives. Prove me wrong. Get me the cycle rates.