Coronavirus - Doomsday

[TimHauck 2,944]

4 hours ago, Ultra Max Power said:

such as what?  Countries launching their own investigations into the risk/reward of covid shots?

Israel, Japan, Germany, the UK, and the nordic countries are all reviewing their covid responses. 

Yes.  What have these countries done?  I don’t pay as much attention to other countries.

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4 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Yes.  What have these countries done?  I don’t pay as much attention to other countries.

Reflecting on the policies they put in place vs the current state of their situation. 

Most of those countries have excess mortality and they need a better answer than "medical field burnout"

[TimHauck 2,944]

8 hours ago, Ultra Max Power said:

VAERS is data.  Its safety signal data.  

https://vaers.hhs.gov/faq.html
 

One of the main limitations of VAERS data is that it cannot determine if the vaccine caused the reported adverse event. This limitation has caused confusion in the publicly available data from VAERS WONDER, specifically regarding the number of reported deaths. There have been instances where people have misinterpreted reports of deaths following vaccination as deaths caused by the vaccines; that is not accurate. VAERS accepts all reports of adverse health events following vaccinations without judging whether the vaccine caused the adverse health event. Some reports to VAERS represent true vaccine reactions and others are coincidental adverse health events and not related to vaccination. Overall, a causal relationship cannot be established using information from VAERS report alone.

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The other limitation of VAERS data is that it can be ignored if it interferes with profits.

[TimHauck 2,944]

11 hours ago, Ultra Max Power said:

The other limitation of VAERS data is that it can be ignored if it interferes with profits.

The main stupid thing Ladapo does is he is only comparing the % increase in vaccines administered to % increase in VAERS reports.  But because of all the publicity around the pandemic and the vaccines being developed in record time, I’m sure the awareness of people knowing VAERS exists is up much more than the increase in vaccines administered too.

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59 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

The main stupid thing Ladapo does is he is only comparing the % increase in vaccines administered to % increase in VAERS reports.  But because of all the publicity around the pandemic and the vaccines being developed in record time, I’m sure the awareness of people knowing VAERS exists is up much more than the increase in vaccines administered too.

Its doctors that enter the information into VAERS, so your claim would be that doctors didn't know VAERS existed, which is a tough pill to swallow.

Studies have shown VAERS was underutilized previously, so I'm sure that is a factor.  But there can also be a case made that VAERS is still underutilized.

Ultimately it does probably just boil down to the fact that these vaccines were not ran through the same level of testing previous vaccines were.  Hence the EUA label.  It likely resulted in more side effects. 

It was the propaganda of calling them safe and effective and forcing them on people that people have the major problem with.   

 

[TimHauck 2,944]

2 minutes ago, Ultra Max Power said:

Its doctors that enter the information into VAERS.

 

Wrong.  “VAERS accepts reports from anyone.”  It’s in the link I shared.

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1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

Wrong.  “VAERS accepts reports from anyone.”  It’s in the link I shared.

Good to know.  I was under the impression it was only medical providers that could add reporting to VAERS. 

[KSB2424 3,148]

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/natural-immunity-protective-covid-vaccine-severe-illness-rcna71027
 

I am not anti-vaxx.  But the way they pushed this Covid vaccine, with federal worker mandates, a lot of business mandates based on the “science” which wasn’t fully studied, the way people asking basic questions about it were demonized was insane.  
 

We are in one of the longest and saddest “I told you so’s” in modern history.  The real sad part is people will distrust doctors now, and whatever trust was left in government is gone.

[TimHauck 2,944]

3 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/natural-immunity-protective-covid-vaccine-severe-illness-rcna71027
 

I am not anti-vaxx.  But the way they pushed this Covid vaccine, with federal worker mandates, a lot of business mandates based on the “science” which wasn’t fully studied, the way people asking basic questions about it were demonized was insane.  
 

We are in one of the longest and saddest “I told you so’s” in modern history.  The real sad part is people will distrust doctors now, and whatever trust was left in government is gone.

Yeah I was always in favor of counting natural immunity for any mandates.  Of course that would have required people to do antibody testing and I’m sure some of the my body my choice people wouldn’t have.

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14 hours ago, TimHauck said:

https://vaers.hhs.gov/faq.html
 

One of the main limitations of VAERS data is that it cannot determine if the vaccine caused the reported adverse event. This limitation has caused confusion in the publicly available data from VAERS WONDER, specifically regarding the number of reported deaths. There have been instances where people have misinterpreted reports of deaths following vaccination as deaths caused by the vaccines; that is not accurate. VAERS accepts all reports of adverse health events following vaccinations without judging whether the vaccine caused the adverse health event. Some reports to VAERS represent true vaccine reactions and others are coincidental adverse health events and not related to vaccination. Overall, a causal relationship cannot be established using information from VAERS report alone.

 

14 hours ago, Ultra Max Power said:

The other limitation of VAERS data is that it can be ignored if it interferes with profits.

This guy gets it.    

VAERS was useful until the reported data stopped following the desired message, then it became dangerous to the powers that be.

Healthcare is the biggest industry in the US and Big Pharma is the point of that spear.  Ladapo as Surgeon General would not be a sycophant, which sadly makes me concerned that Big Pharma will put their lobbying weight against DeSantis.  With the billions being made on the vaxxes, and the possibly more in the future on Ozempic for weight loss, there is too much money at stake to have people questioning the awesomeness of pharmacological solutions for everything.   

[Reality 3,121]

1 hour ago, KSB2424 said:

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/natural-immunity-protective-covid-vaccine-severe-illness-rcna71027
 

I am not anti-vaxx.  But the way they pushed this Covid vaccine, with federal worker mandates, a lot of business mandates based on the “science” which wasn’t fully studied, the way people asking basic questions about it were demonized was insane.  
 

We are in one of the longest and saddest “I told you so’s” in modern history.  The real sad part is people will distrust doctors now, and whatever trust was left in government is gone.

This right here infuriates me, of course that was always the case. No study was needed. That's how nature works.

Forcing people to get vaccinated to keep their jobs or go to school etc. that were already infected should have never ever been allowed to happened. I blame everybody involved, the government, businesses and the people in public and on social media shaming those who tried to reason with common sense.

I'm still infuriated that my son, a D1 athlete at a Big 10 school who had a previous documented case of Covid already, had to be vaccinated to attend. When he was vaccinated he got sick, the worst we've ever seen him. High fever and the whole thing, it was not good. Good forbid he had\has any heart issues, the athletes really seem to be the young people who struggle with that.

This shouldn't be glossed over or treated as a, well, lesson learned. This stuff is common sense and should have never happened. Those responsible need to be held accountable.

[Strike 5,612]

2 hours ago, KSB2424 said:

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/natural-immunity-protective-covid-vaccine-severe-illness-rcna71027
 

I am not anti-vaxx.  But the way they pushed this Covid vaccine, with federal worker mandates, a lot of business mandates based on the “science” which wasn’t fully studied, the way people asking basic questions about it were demonized was insane.  
 

We are in one of the longest and saddest “I told you so’s” in modern history.  The real sad part is people will distrust doctors now, and whatever trust was left in government is gone.

Yup.  So those of us who early on said "protect the most vulnerable but let everyone else live their lives and this will take care of itself" were right.  Also, some of us pushed early on for research in to how well antibodies and previous infection by Covid worked.   Either way, shutting down our schools  and lockdowns were completely unnecessary and idiots like @TimHauck who are now backtracking make me chuckle. 

[TimHauck 2,944]

18 minutes ago, Strike said:

Yup.  So those of us who early on said "protect the most vulnerable but let everyone else live their lives and this will take care of itself" were right.  Also, some of us pushed early on for research in to how well antibodies and previous infection by Covid worked.   Either way, shutting down our schools  and lockdowns were completely unnecessary and idiots like @TimHauck who are now backtracking make me chuckle. 

No backtracking here. Pretty much all of this is still true.  TimHauck right again.

On 7/26/2021 at 7:44 PM, TimHauck said:

“The first dose spike” is an absolute joke.  There’s zero evidence of that.  Yes, vaccines ramped up when cases were spiking...isn’t that the point?

I agree, natural immunity is probably better than the vaccine.  If you’ve already had covid and recovered.  It’s not better if you haven’t had covid yet.

The only serious side effect above normal is the myocarditis in young men.  Not good, but still pretty rare and considering literally billions of doses have been given worldwide I think we’d know by now if there were serious issues.

”Waning vaccine protection” is based on limited data, which even still is just against infection and still shows strong protection against hospitalization and death.  Congratulations, you got your wish, with the vaccine covid may not be any worse than flu!

But be sure to stock up on those pamphlets lod!

 

[Strike 5,612]

15 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

No backtracking here. Pretty much all of this is still true.  TimHauck right again.

 

Sure buddy. One post.  What about the hundreds/thousands advocating for school shutdowns, lockdowns, and taking the vaccine? 

[TimHauck 2,944]

2 minutes ago, Strike said:

Sure buddy. One post.  What about the hundreds/thousands advocating for school shutdowns, lockdowns, and taking the vaccine? 

I'll pull  up some of my posts up about being against school shutdowns and lockdowns after the first couple months too if you'd like.

Can you please clarify your stance on the vaccine first?  Seeming to want me to backtrack about "taking the vaccine" is a very broad statement.

[Strike 5,612]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

I'll pull  up some of my posts up about being against school shutdowns and lockdowns after the first couple months too if you'd like.

Can you please clarify your stance on the vaccine first?  Seeming to want me to backtrack about "taking the vaccine" is a very broad statement.

No.  Why haven't you responded to my question to you in the Bullying/racism thread?  I even bumped it for you. 

[TimHauck 2,944]

Just now, Strike said:

No.  Why haven't you responded to my question to you in the Bullying/racism thread?  I even bumped it for you. 

Your schtick is tiring.

[TimHauck 2,944]

Remember when @Strike yelled at me for bringing up other threads in ones about different topics?  Good times.

[TimHauck 2,944]

On 1/26/2021 at 12:32 PM, TimHauck said:

I think schools should be open in person.  Was just saying that stories like the one I posted are not going to help some of the teachers unions want to go back. 

And yes healthy people have died of covid.  Gotta be at least 6% right based on your misunderstanding of the CDC data?

 

 

[TimHauck 2,944]

On 12/12/2020 at 8:48 AM, TimHauck said:

I'm not sure why you guys act like the US is doing things that much differently than pretty much the rest of the world.   In fact there are plenty of examples of other countries being a ton more strict in their restrictions than in the US.

The virus was going to have a major impact on the economy no matter what we did.   Just like it did in Sweden.     We probably didn't need to do as strict of a lockdown early on, but part of the reason for that was to give us time to try to learn more about the virus.   And I've never really advocated for the lockdowns anyway, and yes places doing things like banning outdoor dining right now are ridiculous.

 

[TimHauck 2,944]

On 12/7/2020 at 11:20 AM, lickin_starfish said:

https://www.dcclothesline.com/2020/12/05/bombshell-johns-hopkins-researcher-says-cdc-data-show-covid-19-has-no-effect-on-percentage-of-death-in-older-people-and-has-not-increased-number-of-u-s-deaths/

I'm guessing Strike will say I should have said that stuff sooner, but I only just started posting in the GC around the end of November, which was mostly in response to this stupid "Johns Hopkins study," which wasn't a study and wasn't from Johns Hopkins, just an idiot economics professor that lived in Wyoming or something.   I'm not surprised that @Reality was the first one that posted it, or that the fraud @lickin_starfish posted another link to it like a week and a half later, after @nobody and I pointed out how dumb it was.

 

On 11/27/2020 at 12:11 PM, Reality said:

Covid simply isn't that serious, a now removed Johns Hopkins article. You know, science and stuff..

https://web.archive.org/web/20201126223119/https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-covid-19

According to new data, the U.S. currently ranks first in total COVID-19 cases, new cases per day and deaths. Genevieve Briand, assistant program director of the Applied Economics master’s degree program at Hopkins, critically analyzed the effect of COVID-19 on U.S. deaths using data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in her webinar titled “COVID-19 Deaths: A Look at U.S. Data.”

From mid-March to mid-September, U.S. total deaths have reached 1.7 million, of which 200,000, or 12% of total deaths, are COVID-19-related. Instead of looking directly at COVID-19 deaths, Briand focused on total deaths per age group and per cause of death in the U.S. and used this information to shed light on the effects of COVID-19.

She explained that the significance of COVID-19 on U.S. deaths can be fully understood only through comparison to the number of total deaths in the United States. 

After retrieving data on the CDC website, Briand compiled a graph representing percentages of total deaths per age category from early February to early September, which includes the period from before COVID-19 was detected in the U.S. to after infection rates soared. 

Surprisingly, the deaths of older people stayed the same before and after COVID-19. Since COVID-19 mainly affects the elderly, experts expected an increase in the percentage of deaths in older age groups. However, this increase is not seen from the CDC data. In fact, the percentages of deaths among all age groups remain relatively the same. 

“The reason we have a higher number of reported COVID-19 deaths among older individuals than younger individuals is simply because every day in the U.S. older individuals die in higher numbers than younger individuals,” Briand said.

Briand also noted that 50,000 to 70,000 deaths are seen both before and after COVID-19, indicating that this number of deaths was normal long before COVID-19 emerged. Therefore, according to Briand, not only has COVID-19 had no effect on the percentage of deaths of older people, but it has also not increased the total number of deaths. 

These data analyses suggest that in contrast to most people’s assumptions, the number of deaths by COVID-19 is not alarming. In fact, it has relatively no effect on deaths in the United States.

This comes as a shock to many people. How is it that the data lie so far from our perception? 

To answer that question, Briand shifted her focus to the deaths per causes ranging from 2014 to 2020. There is a sudden increase in deaths in 2020 due to COVID-19. This is no surprise because COVID-19 emerged in the U.S. in early 2020, and thus COVID-19-related deaths increased drastically afterward.

Analysis of deaths per cause in 2018 revealed that the pattern of seasonal increase in the total number of deaths is a result of the rise in deaths by all causes, with the top three being heart disease, respiratory diseases, influenza and pneumonia.

“This is true every year. Every year in the U.S. when we observe the seasonal ups and downs, we have an increase of deaths due to all causes,” Briand pointed out.

When Briand looked at the 2020 data during that seasonal period, COVID-19-related deaths exceeded deaths from heart diseases. This was highly unusual since heart disease has always prevailed as the leading cause of deaths. However, when taking a closer look at the death numbers, she noted something strange. As Briand compared the number of deaths per cause during that period in 2020 to 2018, she noticed that instead of the expected drastic increase across all causes, there was a significant decrease in deaths due to heart disease. Even more surprising, as seen in the graph below, this sudden decline in deaths is observed for all other causes. 

 

On 11/27/2020 at 1:30 PM, nobody said:

That's interesting if true.  Everything I've seen has shown that deaths in the US has risen by approximately the same amount of Covid deaths.

Unfortunately the data is presented in such a convoluted way and the charts are essentially unreadable, so it's hard to draw conclusions from it.

 

Then here is @Reality failing to understand a simple chart showing that deaths were way up in 2020 and correlated strongly with covid spikes.   Then suggests that covid was over and it was trending down because of democrat governors not sending sick patients back to nursing homes (which obviously was bad but wasn't the driver of the total deaths). 

On 11/28/2020 at 6:36 PM, TimHauck said:

 

 

 

On 11/28/2020 at 7:20 PM, Reality said:

Not sure what story you're trying to tell with that tweet. The graph doesn't even make sense, and it's some random dude with no source.

 

On 11/28/2020 at 7:33 PM, TimHauck said:

His source is the same as the author of the webinar - all cause weekly deaths from the CDC, as noted in the graph.   If you don’t know what it shows, then I’m not sure what to tell you (hint:  a lot more people have died so far in 2020 than at this point during the last 6 years).  

 

On 11/29/2020 at 1:01 PM, Reality said:

Trending down is also the point, in general. That's what happens when you don't send old infected people back to nursing homes to kill everybody else like happened early on.

 

 

Sorry @nobody, I appreciated your trashing of the "Johns Hopkins study" (which is interesting because now you seem to like joking about how I find every study that's against my views flawed), but I had to take a double take at this post where you seemed to doubt people were catching covid at other people's houses.

On 12/2/2020 at 10:52 PM, nobody said:

So, do you think people are going to someone's home, getting covid, and bringing it back to their house?  How does the covid get to the house?

And of course here is me being consistent on my view of masks:

On 12/3/2020 at 12:36 AM, TimHauck said:

I think that is happening yes.  Or for example both a husband and wife attend a "gathering" and they both get it there.

To clarify I don't necessarily think this is where the majority of spread in total is happening, but I think in most situations where it is spread via social gatherings, people aren't wearing masks (since even most pro-maskers know that a mask is not a covid forcefield, so yes some people are still getting it elsewhere despite wearing masks)

 

 

Here is a BIGTIME oof from the self-described "most centrist poster here"

On 12/3/2020 at 7:49 PM, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

There have been less deaths this year than any of the last 3 years. 

 

 

And I think this day was when @Strike decided he had a hardon for me, where he doubted that covid was the majority of excess deaths in 2020.   Here's a sampling of some of the posts, when pressed to say what was the driver, he claimed "violent crime was a significant one."  And yet despite murders being up ~30%, that was only less than 10k more deaths.  Bigtime oof there.

On 12/7/2020 at 3:12 PM, Strike said:

Intelligent people seek out information, analyze that information, and then form an opinion.  When someone says that looking at the total of ALL deaths in the country compared to previous years PROVES all the deaths above previous years are Covid, I know they aren't doing an intelligent analysis.  Sorry, that's just laziness.

 

On 12/7/2020 at 3:13 PM, TimHauck said:

Not all of them, but a majority.   Please, share what you think the increase is from.

 

On 12/7/2020 at 5:00 PM, Strike said:

I've give you a hint at one thing:

https://chicago.suntimes.com/crime/2020/11/18/21573378/chicago-homicides-700-murders-2020-gun-violence-shootings

https://abc7.com/murders-in-los-angeles-increased-by-20%-in-2020/7185695/

https://kstp.com/news/minneapolis-2020-homicide-surpasses-last-year-homicide-in-just-eight-months-august-18-2020/5832077/

 

 

On 12/7/2020 at 5:05 PM, Strike said:

WTF are you talking about?  I'm simply pointing out there are other things contributing to any number of higher deaths this year than other years.  Significant increases in violent crime across the country is a significant one.  I don't care about half ass studies or anything like that.  And this surge in violence isn't lockdown related anyways. 

 

 

 

So, looks to me like I've been consistent and usually correct in this thread, and the board idiots were often wrong.  But feel free to continue thinking you were "right all along," I'll keep laughing at you.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,367]

Not going to quote the entire post above but I’d like to see the context 

And damn you have way too much time on your hands to dig thru entire threads 2-3 years long

[Strike 5,612]

15 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I'm guessing Strike will say I should have said that stuff sooner, but I only just started posting in the GC around the end of November, which was mostly in response to this stupid "Johns Hopkins study," which wasn't a study and wasn't from Johns Hopkins, just an idiot economics professor that lived in Wyoming or something.   I'm not surprised that @Reality was the first one that posted it, or that the fraud @lickin_starfish posted another link to it like a week and a half later, after @nobody and I pointed out how dumb it was.

 

 

 

Then here is @Reality failing to understand a simple chart showing that deaths were way up in 2020 and correlated strongly with covid spikes.   Then suggests that covid was over and it was trending down because of democrat governors not sending sick patients back to nursing homes (which obviously was bad but wasn't the driver of the total deaths). 

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry @nobody, I appreciated your trashing of the "Johns Hopkins study" (which is interesting because now you seem to like joking about how I find every study that's against my views flawed), but I had to take a double take at this post where you seemed to doubt people were catching covid at other people's houses.

And of course here is me being consistent on my view of masks:

 

 

Here is a BIGTIME oof from the self-described "most centrist poster here"

 

 

And I think this day was when @Strike decided he had a hardon for me, where he doubted that covid was the majority of excess deaths in 2020.   Here's a sampling of some of the posts, when pressed to say what was the driver, he claimed "violent crime was a significant one."  And yet despite murders being up ~30%, that was only less than 10k more deaths.  Bigtime oof there.

 

 

 

 

 

 

So, looks to me like I've been consistent and usually correct in this thread, and the board idiots were often wrong.  But feel free to continue thinking you were "right all along," I'll keep laughing at you.

Dude, get a life. 

[TimHauck 2,944]

3 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Not going to quote the entire post above but I’d like to see the context 

And damn you have way too much time on your hands to dig thru entire threads 2-3 years long

What context do you need to defend saying that total deaths were down?

All of the quotes above were within a few pages.   I searched one term then read a few pages from there.  Didn't take long. 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,367]

8 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

What context do you need to defend saying that total deaths were down?

All of the quotes above were within a few pages.   I searched one term then read a few pages from there.  Didn't take long. 

Did I say total?  Like I said I can hardly remember what I was doing a month ago much less a discussion from 2020. 
 

I could have been saying there were less deaths related to obesity and heart disease. I could have said there were less deaths related to the flu. Again I don’t know. Or I could have just happened to see a chart and said something. 
 

bottom line who the fock cares besides you. You seriously have some major issues. Get outside and live your life.  Go get your extra jabs while you’re at it trump supporter 

again as a centrist I’m a libertarian. And was against all this nonsense. The entire Covid fiasco was filled with lie after lie. I don’t put poison in my body of any sort. I thank Covid for that 

[TimHauck 2,944]

1 hour ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Did I say total?  Like I said I can hardly remember what I was doing a month ago much less a discussion from 2020. 
 

I could have been saying there were less deaths related to obesity and heart disease. I could have said there were less deaths related to the flu. Again I don’t know. Or I could have just happened to see a chart and said something. 
 

bottom line who the fock cares besides you. You seriously have some major issues. Get outside and live your life.  Go get your extra jabs while you’re at it trump supporter 

again as a centrist I’m a libertarian. And was against all this nonsense. The entire Covid fiasco was filled with lie after lie. I don’t put poison in my body of any sort. I thank Covid for that 

There were like 4 “I told you so” posts in the last 2 days, so posters here clearly care about saying they were right.  And considering @Strike wrongly accused me of backtracking in one of those, I wanted to point out that I usually was right, contrary to what the GC groupthink would have you believe.

Yes, the government certainly could have done some things differently, but if your concern is with lies, WAY more lies came from the side of the Covid skeptics, as I just showed.

And really my main argument pretty much this whole time is that in general, it wasn’t “nonsense.”  Covid was a big deal, being the main driver of the excess deaths and resulting in 2020 having the largest year over year change in total deaths since 1918.   I am thankful for the vaccines (and Trump for getting them through) which have reduced them.  While I was against most of the restrictions after the first couple months, that was mostly for economic reasons.  If all we did was “protect the elderly” we would have seen more deaths in the younger age groups, which was exactly what happened in 2021 when pretty much everything was open. 

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On 12/3/2020 at 6:10 PM, TimHauck said:

So the 300k additional deaths vs last year were all fat and unhealthy right?

 

On 12/3/2020 at 7:49 PM, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

There have been less deaths this year than any of the last 3 years. 

Here’s your context btw, you were quoting my post clearly talking about total deaths.

[TimHauck 2,944]

Figured I’d post this in here too:

https://www.cochrane.org/news/cochrane-review-covid-19-vaccines-shows-they-are-effective
 

Anyone claiming the recent study on masks shows they don’t work needs to admit the vaccines do, especially since this one was based on about 20x the number of studies

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,367]

3 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Figured I’d post this in here too:

https://www.cochrane.org/news/cochrane-review-covid-19-vaccines-shows-they-are-effective
 

Anyone claiming the recent study on masks shows they don’t work needs to admit the vaccines do, especially since this one was based on about 20x the number of studies

Neither prevent Covid 

[TimHauck 2,944]

3 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Neither prevent Covid 

No one said masks did, and most people didn’t say the vaccines did (yes I know some important ones did).

So you’re going to admit you were wrong about your total deaths claim, right?

[KSB2424 3,148]

 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,367]

49 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

No one said masks did, and most people didn’t say the vaccines did (yes I know some important ones did).

So you’re going to admit you were wrong about your total deaths claim, right?

Yah again I’ll admit I was wrong and not sure what information I was looking at. Maybe I glanced at a chart that wasn’t updated. Big whoop 

and yes plenty of people said as a matter of fact all of them did. Masks save lives. 

[TimHauck 2,944]

20 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Yah again I’ll admit I was wrong and not sure what information I was looking at. Maybe I glanced at a chart that wasn’t updated. Big whoop 

and yes plenty of people said as a matter of fact all of them did. Masks save lives. 

Well thank you for admitting you were wrong.  How are we defining “prevent” here? I thought you were talking about them preventing ALL infections.  If you’re talking about them preventing ANY infections, then vaccines certainly have. Masks may have too.

[Reality 3,121]

21 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Yah again I’ll admit I was wrong and not sure what information I was looking at. Maybe I glanced at a chart that wasn’t updated. Big whoop 

and yes plenty of people said as a matter of fact all of them did. Masks save lives. 

Good lord,  I can see enough from yall's quotes... I've had that dude on ignore for probably 6 months.  Haven't responded to him a single time since.  He's infatuated with me,  he's the creepiest mf'er that visits this site.

Holy focking stalker... Get a life you creepy POS.. 

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6 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Well thank you for admitting you were wrong.  How are we defining “prevent” here? I thought you were talking about them preventing ALL infections.  If you’re talking about them preventing ANY infections, then vaccines certainly have. Masks may have too.

there is no record of people not getting covid after getting the jab

 

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3 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

there is no record of people not getting covid after getting the jab

 

Yes there is

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Just now, TimHauck said:

Yes there is

sure there is, they probably have natural antibodies, everyone I know with the jab has gotten covid

stick with the it lessens the effect narrative

 

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7 minutes ago, Reality said:

Good lord,  I can see enough from yall's quotes... I've had that dude on ignore for probably 6 months.  Haven't responded to him a single time since.  He's infatuated with me,  he's the creepiest mf'er that visits this site.

Holy focking stalker... Get a life you creepy POS.. 

Reality: Claims to be ignoring me

Also Reality: Responds multiple times per day to people quoting me

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19 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Reality: Claims to be ignoring me

Also Reality: Responds multiple times per day to people quoting me

responds to me quoting you