Hawkeye21 2,400 Posted April 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Yeah, ok. So it’s either Biden or stay home. Let us know which one before Election Day. Until then you can keep up your charade. But nobody is buying it. Once again, it's what you believe in or nothing else here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,510 Posted April 14, 2020 Just now, Hawkeye21 said: Once again, it's what you believe in or nothing else here. When you choose not to decide you still have made a choice. The gutless one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 2,400 Posted April 14, 2020 Just now, Hardcore troubadour said: Like I said, your choice is Biden or nobody. Keep us posted. Like I said, I haven't decided. It's very unlikely I will vote for Trump but a lot can change before the election. Crazier things have happened. I've changed my opinion on many things in my life once I learned more about it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted April 14, 2020 10 minutes ago, Reality said: This one is really going to cause the dilemma, the MSM told us to panic over wildly inaccurate projections. Trump pulled us back from the brink or they were selling panic.. Either way, Trump looks like the hero. He's really done a great job. Easily saved millions of lives. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 2,400 Posted April 14, 2020 Just now, Hardcore troubadour said: When you choose not to decide you still have made a choice. The gutless one. Being a a$$hole does not make you correct. It might make you feel correct but it just makes you an a$$hole. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,782 Posted April 14, 2020 Just now, Hawkeye21 said: And that's all the opinion you have. Others have the opinion that Trump is the worse choice. I may vote for Biden when the time comes because I think Trump sucks as a leader but that doesn't mean I like him. Biden creeps me out. Just so you know, I think we all agree that Trump could have conflicts. But with the level of scrutiny he is under, we would know if he is using his power to take advantage of them. It would be frontpage news. I think you know that. With the corruption among career politicians so obvious and complete, I don't think we are in the position to rule out businessmen who wish to run for President, simply because the potential for conflict. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,510 Posted April 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said: Like I said, I haven't decided. It's very unlikely I will vote for Trump but a lot can change before the election. Crazier things have happened. I've changed my opinion on many things in my life once I learned more about it. Oh good. Mulling it over. So I guess we should see some critique of Biden now that he is the nominee? Let’s shoot for 80-20. 80 OMB and 20 Sleepy Joe. You’re way behind at this point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 2,400 Posted April 14, 2020 1 minute ago, TimmySmith said: Just so you know, I think we all agree that Trump could have conflicts. But with the level of scrutiny he is under, we would know if he is using his power to take advantage of them. It would be frontpage news. I think you know that. With the corruption among career politicians so obvious and complete, I don't think we are in the position to rule out businessmen who wish to run for President, simply because the potential for conflict. I haven't been saying that businessmen can't run for President. I think there could be more done to prevent it from happening and there is a bill for it now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lickin_starfish 1,942 Posted April 14, 2020 50% of my voting history was for Democrats. I have no blind allegiance to Republicans. Currently, I cannot vote for someone who has vowed to use my tax money to give illegals free healthcare, housing, and education. I cannot vote for someone who has vowed to take away rights that were guaranteed in the Constitution. I cannot vote for someone who has funneled tax dollars though a foreign energy company and back into his pocket. I cannot vote for someone who wants to take away the health insurance that I like. A vote for a Democrat these days is the worst possible thing I could do to my family. 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baker Boy 1,703 Posted April 14, 2020 18 hours ago, Hawkeye21 said: Certain decisions Trump makes as President could be influenced because of his personal interests in his businesses. Seems pretty obvious to me. I think any President that has as large of a personal business presence as Trump should have to distance themselves from those businesses and be as transparent as possible. Trump has distanced himself from his businesses some but is still the owner and benefiting from their success. I'm not sure how much more he can do because I wouldn't expect him to leave his businesses completely. This is why I think transparency is very important. I think it's the public's right to see his taxes and know what's involved in his businesses so we know there are not any possible conflicts of interest. I think this is how it should be for all future Presidents as well. This would apply to all politicians, making decisions for their own benefit. Why is Trump different? Haven’t you wondered how professional politicians become millionaires? Number of Millionaires in Congress: Nearly half -- 261, to be exact -- are millionaires, according to an analysis of 2009 data from the Center for Responsive Politics (there are 535 total members of the House and Senate). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baker Boy 1,703 Posted April 14, 2020 48 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said: I haven't been saying that businessmen can't run for President. I think there could be more done to prevent it from happening and there is a bill for it now. Proposed by millionaire professional politicians. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,590 Posted April 14, 2020 54 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said: I haven't been saying that businessmen can't run for President. I think there could be more done to prevent it from happening and there is a bill for it now. You've specifically said Trump and Bezos shouldn't be allowed to run for President. What about Mark Cuban? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 2,400 Posted April 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, Strike said: You've specifically said Trump and Bezos shouldn't be allowed to run for President. What about Mark Cuban? The same concerns go for Cuban. Why would he be any different? Separation from businesses and transparency are key. I'm not talking 100% separation from business though. I don't think that's realistic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,590 Posted April 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said: The same concerns go for Cuban. Why would he be any different? Separation from businesses and transparency are key. I'm not talking 100% separation from business though. I don't think that's realistic. In a previous discussion you said Trump and Bezos shouldn't be eligible for the Presidency. Are you denying that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lickin_starfish 1,942 Posted April 14, 2020 Do you have an example of President Trump using government policy to benefit his businesses? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,510 Posted April 14, 2020 The Biden family, his kids, his brothers and sisters, have all gotten filthy rich. None of them have a skill or a job. His brother had a contract in Iraq to build houses. He’s not a builder nor has he ever been involved in construction. But Trump! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,782 Posted April 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said: The same concerns go for Cuban. Why would he be any different? Separation from businesses and transparency are key. I'm not talking 100% separation from business though. I don't think that's realistic. You're nutty and naïve. You don't think those billionaires influence Presidents? Really? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 2,400 Posted April 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, Strike said: In a previous discussion you said Trump and Bezos shouldn't be eligible for the Presidency. Are you denying that? I'm not denying that I said that. I don't think that's realistic though and it was just my thought at the time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,496 Posted April 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Hawkeye21 said: I haven't been saying that businessmen can't run for President. I think there could be more done to prevent it from happening and there is a bill for it now. Trump could have put his businesses in a blind trust. Instead he gave “control” to his kids and claims he doesn’t know what they’re doing. He also said his organization would stop making new foreign business deals during his term in office. How’s that turn out? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 2,400 Posted April 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, TimmySmith said: You're nutty and naïve. You don't think those billionaires influence Presidents? Really? I may be naive but I am not nutty. Where did I say anything about billionaires not influencing Presidents? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,590 Posted April 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, MDC said: Trump could have put his businesses in a blind trust. Instead he gave “control” to his kids and claims he doesn’t know what they’re doing. He also said his organization would stop making new foreign business deals during his term in office. How’s that turn out? Seems to be working out just fine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 2,400 Posted April 14, 2020 5 minutes ago, lickin_starfish said: Do you have an example of President Trump using government policy to benefit his businesses? No and I never said that he's done it already. I said it's a concern that he may have done so and that he might in the future. I dislike how often he uses his properties for government use. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lickin_starfish 1,942 Posted April 14, 2020 Just now, Hawkeye21 said: No and I never said that he's done it already. I said it's a concern that he may have done so and that he might in the future. I dislike how often he uses his properties for government use. This concern of yours will contribute to you not voting for Trump. Are you concerned about Biden funneling money through Ukraine and China? Will that concern stop you from voting for Biden? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,496 Posted April 14, 2020 Just now, Strike said: Seems to be working out just fine. Working out great for Trump. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 2,400 Posted April 14, 2020 1 minute ago, lickin_starfish said: This concern of yours will contribute to you not voting for Trump. Are you concerned about Biden funneling money through Ukraine and China? Will that concern stop you from voting for Biden? They are both concerns of mine. I don't want to vote for Biden. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,510 Posted April 14, 2020 Just now, Hawkeye21 said: They are both concerns of mine. I don't want to vote for Biden. Why not? Here’s a chance to dig into that 20 pct. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,782 Posted April 14, 2020 31 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said: Where did I say anything about billionaires not influencing Presidents? I was being kind to say influencing. They buy them. We are going in circles here. You think Obama and Clinton are now worth 9 figures because of giving speeches to old ladies. Fact is we have more oversight over what Trump does than what either of them did. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 2,400 Posted April 14, 2020 Just now, TimmySmith said: I was being kind to say influencing. They buy them. We are going in circles here. You think Obama and Clinton are now worth 9 figures because of giving speeches to old ladies. Fact is we have more oversight over what Trump does than what either of them did. I haven't made any comments on why I think Obama and Clinton are worth what they are. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,510 Posted April 14, 2020 Besides individuals (cumulative) the biggest contributor to Obama/ Biden was Wall Street. No one from Wall Street was prosecuted for the mortgage frauds that went on. Just fines. Wall Street and the 1pct got even richer under Obama. They were the only ones that did. But Trump! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,782 Posted April 14, 2020 Just now, Hardcore troubadour said: Besides individuals (cumulative) the biggest contributor to Obama/ Biden was Wall Street. No one from Wall Street was prosecuted for the mortgage frauds that went on. Just fines. Wall Street and the 1pct got even richer under Obama. They were the only ones that did. But Trump! One of their scams. The big one in my mind was the loans to fake green energy companies, who "lost" all of it. I wonder where it went? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
drobeski 3,061 Posted April 14, 2020 48 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: The Biden family, his kids, his brothers and sisters, have all gotten filthy rich. None of them have a skill or a job. His brother had a contract in Iraq to build houses. He’s not a builder nor has he ever been involved in construction. But Trump! Stop that, you might inform the retards! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,496 Posted April 14, 2020 Trumpers hate nepotism and sexual harrassment. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Intense Observer 344 Posted April 14, 2020 You know Trump is skull focking the Dems when Schiff, Pelosi, and Cuomo start saying that the media should not cover the daily press briefing about the biggest pandemic of our lifetime. They can't let the public see the truth, it needs to be filtered and edited through them so that they can control the narrative. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustinCharge 2,397 Posted April 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Baker Boy said: This would apply to all politicians, making decisions for their own benefit. Why is Trump different? Haven’t you wondered how professional politicians become millionaires? Number of Millionaires in Congress: Nearly half -- 261, to be exact -- are millionaires, according to an analysis of 2009 data from the Center for Responsive Politics (there are 535 total members of the House and Senate). There was a time when the House was considered the "lower" chamber. It was a place for an everyman to run for a federal office. We now have more people with a college degree in the House than ever before. That's a bad thing because people without college degrees have less and less representation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Utilit99 4,099 Posted April 14, 2020 3 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said: If Trump walked on water you would say he couldn’t swim. And if Trump went for a swim he would be accused of not working while everyone in the country is dying around us. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimmySmith 2,782 Posted April 14, 2020 Never Trumpers now support sexual harassment and nepotism. Just wait till nipple rings runs in 2024. They'll be slobbering. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FeelingMN 273 Posted April 14, 2020 3 hours ago, Intense Observer said: You can tell by the utter meltdowns by CNN and the left that they know this is over. Trump won. Commie China Cough only killed 30k fat old diabetics, not the 2.4 million they were predicting. You could say Trump's actions saved literally millions of lives. Can't wait to see how angry they get when the economy bounces back by the end of summer. Tens of thousands of lives lost. Millions of people's livelihoods destroyed. And you think Trump won? Completely delusional. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FeelingMN 273 Posted April 14, 2020 On 3/30/2020 at 11:34 AM, TimmySmith said: If the press was the least bit interested in the facts of Covid 19, Trump would look bad. They aren't. He doesn't. What facts have the press ignored during this? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 2,400 Posted April 14, 2020 16 minutes ago, TimmySmith said: Never Trumpers now support sexual harassment and nepotism. Just wait till nipple rings runs in 2024. They'll be slobbering. I do not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KSB2424 3,148 Posted April 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, FeelingMN said: What facts have the press ignored during this? That Trump has been in lockstep with the medical professionals (Fauci, Brix, Surgeon General et al.) since early January and as soon as the recommendations came to shut down the economy he did so. There is no conspiracy theory. Again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites