[** Official President Joe Biden Thread **]

[Masshole 642]

US avg gas price highest in 9 years.     Will surpass 2013's highest #s in the next 2 months. . .

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

3 hours ago, 5-Points said:

I have zero doubt about that. 

 

I would disagree with your first statement. When people don't think they will be welcomed somewhere they tend not to go to that place.

Trump's policies made it clear that if you wanted in, you needed to come through the front door. Biden took the back door off the hinges waved them all in. 

You were pissing and moaning about not having links. i gave you links and pointed out that the belief of the economy you have is not the reality. Yet you continue on touting your opinions as facts.

And job miscalculations are common and always have been. Still 6.6 million jobs in one year. Outstanding recovery by Biden for this economy. 

[Utilit99 4,099]

6 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

You were pissing and moaning about not having links. i gave you links and pointed out that the belief of the economy you have is not the reality. Yet you continue on touting your opinions as facts.

And job miscalculations are common and always have been. Still 6.6 million jobs in one year. Outstanding recovery by Biden for this economy. 

***The Official Whining Pvssy TDS Thread***

rusty and mooney fight of the century!!

And mooney comes out swinging with a limp wristed right hand. 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

175 pages in 1 year.  700 pages for a full term. 

[5-Points 3,575]

9 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

You were pissing and moaning about not having links. i gave you links and pointed out that the belief of the economy you have is not the reality. Yet you continue on touting your opinions as facts.

And job miscalculations are common and always have been. Still 6.6 million jobs in one year. Outstanding recovery by Biden for this economy. 

What? When did I complain about your lack of links?

Come on, man! Get your sh!t together. 

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

7 hours ago, Matterhorn said:

 

What is TDS.

And while its been more than a decade since I spent time here, I was among the OG's.  Just like the other place.

It stands for Trump Derangement Syndrome, a cliched term that alt-righties overuse to convince themselves that it is a mental condition for those who don't care for former President Clownzo. Really what they're projecting are their fears and paranoias, and it's very Nazi-like in the approach. Instead of singling out Jews, they single out what they perceive to be liberals, and you're considered liberal if you're a moderate conservative or centrist. TDS is along the lines of "woke" and "cancel culture," cultish crap they parrot from their infotainment sources as they cycle together in the same menstrual period, falling for a never-ending stream of twisted information and flat-our misinformation from infotainment clowns such as Tucker Carlson.

 

[TimmySmith 2,782]

39 minutes ago, JustinCharge said:

175 pages in 1 year.  700 pages for a full term. 

You think our resident TDS committee can post that much about Trump in the next 3 years? 

[Cloaca du jour 2,151]

So whats this china and russian new world order I heard about on the news??

[Hardcore troubadour 15,517]

1 hour ago, Pimpadeaux said:

It stands for Trump Derangement Syndrome, a cliched term that alt-righties overuse to convince themselves that it is a mental condition for those who don't care for former President Clownzo. Really what they're projecting are their fears and paranoias, and it's very Nazi-like in the approach. Instead of singling out Jews, they single out what they perceive to be liberals, and you're considered liberal if your a moderate conservative or centrist. It's along the lines of "woke" and "cancel culture," cultish crap they make up as part of them being in the same menstrual period and falling for a never-ending stream of twisted information and flat-our misinformation from infotainment clowns such as Tucker Carlson.

 

Nazi. What a dik

[Hardcore troubadour 15,517]

1 hour ago, Sean Mooney said:

You were pissing and moaning about not having links. i gave you links and pointed out that the belief of the economy you have is not the reality. Yet you continue on touting your opinions as facts.

And job miscalculations are common and always have been. Still 6.6 million jobs in one year. Outstanding recovery by Biden for this economy. 

What did Biden do? 

[Masshole 642]

5 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

https://carnegieendowment.org/chinafinancialmarkets/83746

Care to try again.

Also hilarious for someone to say "Trump is standing up to shills." He instilled some of them in spots, and where he didn't he enabled a lot of dummies. 

Did you even read the article you linked?    The author basically debunks the study that you are referencing to support your point.   He says that he personally doesn't think that Trump's tariffs were effective at producing jobs in the US but he doesn't have a lot of use for the study referenced in the title.     This is the last paragraph of the article:

"Without accounting for the ways capital and trade flows have changed in the twenty-first century, analysts cannot hope to accurately project the likely ramifications of trade policies like the Trump administration’s tariffs."

 

[Masshole 642]

6 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

Well you will be labeled a hardcore lefty by the dope patrol here. 

"Clearly, the Trump administration’s trade policies were not successful. American deficits with China and the rest of the world were higher last year than they had been in over a decade. And while it is a little unfair to consider 2020 data without recognizing the peculiar economic distortions created by the coronavirus pandemic, U.S. trade and current account deficits were much higher during Trump’s presidency than they had been under former president Barack Obama."

Come on, even you must see how squishy the author is going on this?    He says "Trump trade policies were not successful" then backs that up by saying "look at last year's trade deficit" and then adds the caveat about the "peculiar economic distortions" of the pandemic in that year.     You can't say "here's my evidence to support my point" and then say "but we all know the year I am referencing is a once in a lifetime outlier" in the same paragraph and expect to be taken seriously.    

 

 

[5-Points 3,575]

7 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

What did Biden do? 

He keeps dodging the question because he has no answer. He thinks people going back to work after their places of business were allowed to reopen is equivalent to Biden "creating jobs."

Anybody with two brain cells to rub together knows differently. Biden hasn't done anything to facilitate job growth. The economy is alive in spite of him. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,517]

3 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

He keeps dodging the question because he has no answer. He thinks people going back to work after their places of business were allowed to reopen is equivalent to Biden "creating jobs."

Anybody with two brain cells to rub together knows differently. Biden hasn't done anything to facilitate job growth. The economy is alive in spite of him. 

He’s a typical millennial. Don’t like the question? Don’t answer it. Just yell racism or something 

[5-Points 3,575]

7 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

He’s a typical millennial. Don’t like the question? Don’t answer it. Just yell racism or something 

America is in for some hard times. 

[Masshole 642]

5 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yes, open borders is having an impact on my life. Where do you think those kids go to school? Who is paying for every other program they draw from? Where is all the fentanyl coming from ? How about the criminals walking in here, and the child trafficking? Are you really going with the “it’s not a big deal” rationale? 

You missed a couple of very significant points about illegal immigration.  

While we need more workers, dumping illegals into the economy results in wage depression for low income earners.    Illegals compete for the low wage jobs and/or work under the table in a cash economy where the employer can pay lower wages in cash.    Flooding the low skill job market with illegals is not a pathway to ensuring that all low-wage workers are paid a living wage, exactly the opposite.    Ask yourself why immigration is about the only subject that the republican leaning Chamber of Commerce agrees with the lefties on?   Because the CofC wants low wages. . .

If you think we need more immigration, do it legally.    We let almost a million people a year legally come to the US.    If you are someone who thinks we should allow more - OK, that's a worthwhile discussion and one that would likely achieve bipartisan support.    But allowing people to illegally flow over the border, not documented with no way to identify them is not how you do immigration if you are a serious country.    We don't know who these people are.    I don't think it makes me a racist to say I am OK if you want to move to the US but we should know who you are and you should have to go thru the legal immigration process.    If you are coming you should be subject to the same things I am:  I have to pay taxes, show ID, etc.   We currently have 20-30 million illegals in the US who are basically invisible.     

[Utilit99 4,099]

2 minutes ago, Cloaca du jour said:

So whats this china and russian new world order I heard about on the news??

creepy joe got elected. China and Russia are now officially our leaders.

[Cloaca du jour 2,151]

2 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

creepy joe got elected. China and Russia are now officially our leaders.

Was in the news today...Olympic reveal

[5-Points 3,575]

3 minutes ago, Masshole said:

You missed a couple of very significant points about illegal immigration.  

While we need more workers, dumping illegals into the economy results in wage depression for low income earners.    Illegals compete for the low wage jobs and/or work under the table in a cash economy where the employer can pay lower wages in cash.    Flooding the low skill job market with illegals is not a pathway to ensuring that all low-wage workers are paid a living wage, exactly the opposite.    Ask yourself why immigration is about the only subject that the republican leaning Chamber of Commerce agrees with the lefties on?   Because the CofC wants low wages. . .

If you think we need more immigration, do it legally.    We let almost a million people a year legally come to the US.    If you are someone who thinks we should allow more - OK, that's a worthwhile discussion and one that would likely achieve bipartisan support.    But allowing people to illegally flow over the border, not documented with no way to identify them is not how you do immigration if you are a serious country.    We don't know who these people are.    I don't think it makes me a racist to say I am OK if you want to move to the US but we should know who you are and you should have to go thru the legal immigration process.    If you are coming you should be subject to the same things I am:  I have to pay taxes, show ID, etc.   We currently have 20-30 million illegals in the US who are basically invisible.     

Don't forget the billions of dollars they send back home every year. Thereby preventing that money from being spent in this country and supporting our economy. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,517]

18 minutes ago, Masshole said:

You missed a couple of very significant points about illegal immigration.  

While we need more workers, dumping illegals into the economy results in wage depression for low income earners.    Illegals compete for the low wage jobs and/or work under the table in a cash economy where the employer can pay lower wages in cash.    Flooding the low skill job market with illegals is not a pathway to ensuring that all low-wage workers are paid a living wage, exactly the opposite.    Ask yourself why immigration is about the only subject that the republican leaning Chamber of Commerce agrees with the lefties on?   Because the CofC wants low wages. . .

If you think we need more immigration, do it legally.    We let almost a million people a year legally come to the US.    If you are someone who thinks we should allow more - OK, that's a worthwhile discussion and one that would likely achieve bipartisan support.    But allowing people to illegally flow over the border, not documented with no way to identify them is not how you do immigration if you are a serious country.    We don't know who these people are.    I don't think it makes me a racist to say I am OK if you want to move to the US but we should know who you are and you should have to go thru the legal immigration process.    If you are coming you should be subject to the same things I am:  I have to pay taxes, show ID, etc.   We currently have 20-30 million illegals in the US who are basically invisible.     

I’ll also add, by increasing the numbers of illegals, giving amnesty to a few million won’t look so bad when there are 20x that in the country. “It’s only 10 pct “.  They are playing the long game. 

[TimmySmith 2,782]

3 hours ago, JustinCharge said:

Look the border wall is the compromise option with the left.  If that fails to fix the issue, then this is an outright invasion by central and south america and it's war. 

A hundred citizens in the capital is an insurrection but don't call millions of illegals breaking through the border an invasion. 

[Utilit99 4,099]

49 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

A hundred citizens in the capital is an insurrection but don't call millions of illegals breaking through the border an invasion. 

Millions.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,517]

 Bidens first year saw police officers intentionally killed in the LOD increase by 59 pct. 

[Utilit99 4,099]

3 hours ago, Pimpadeaux said:

It stands for Trump Derangement Syndrome, and I have it to the point that I can't even utter [joey's] name because I'm so embarrassed that Trump was a great president  and I helped vote him out of office. Because he tweeted meanly.   

True. 

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

3 hours ago, Masshole said:

US avg gas price highest in 9 years.     Will surpass 2013's highest #s in the next 2 months. . .

I paid $2.75 a gallon earlier today. Big whoopee freaking doo.

Gas prices topped $4 a gallon in the late 2000s. 

We're right around the right balance between pump prices and keeping our oilfield workers employed. 

Sure it was nice when gas was under $2 a gallon, but a lot of oilfield families were hurting while rigs sat dormant.

Oil has to be worth at least around $50 a barrel to make drilling worth the cost.

 

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

2 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Nazi. What a dik

It's the same tactic from a public brain-washing standpoint. 

Pick something to hate on, use it as a boilerplate to get your followers behind other things, abuse your leadership position, whip up nationalism and then, boom, dictatorship!

That's what Clownzo does and continues to do, and he'll tell lie after lie, broaden the definition of liberals to include centrists and moderate conservatives, and have the alt-righty infotainment and deluded, glassy-eyed Clownzoid Nation soaking up his every word.

[Utilit99 4,099]

18 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

It's the same tactic from a public brain-washing standpoint. 

Pick something to hate on, use it as a boilerplate to get your followers behind other things, abuse your leadership position, whip up nationalism and then, boom, dictatorship!

That's what Clownzo does and continues to do, and he'll tell lie after lie, broaden the definition of liberals to include centrists and moderate conservatives, and have the alt-righty infotainment and deluded, glassy-eyed Clownzoid Nation soaking up his every word.

TRUMP!!!!!!! 

Don't you ever get tired of being a little scared pvssy? 

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

2 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

What did Biden do? 

How did tariffs help create jobs? You've just stated this as if it is a fact but not supported it in any way.

[5-Points 3,575]

9 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

How did tariffs help create jobs? You've just stated this as if it is a fact but not supported it in any way.

Are you ever going to answer his question? 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,517]

16 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

How did tariffs help create jobs? You've just stated this as if it is a fact but not supported it in any way.

I said it created jobs in the steel industry and a few other manufacturing sector jobs. If you’re not going to read what I write then Fock off.  Thanks. And the threat of tariffs also helped out, like with the reworked nafta treaty. I know you don’t  grasp that concept, but it’s real. 

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

3 hours ago, Masshole said:

Did you even read the article you linked?    The author basically debunks the study that you are referencing to support your point.   He says that he personally doesn't think that Trump's tariffs were effective at producing jobs in the US but he doesn't have a lot of use for the study referenced in the title.     This is the last paragraph of the article:

"Without accounting for the ways capital and trade flows have changed in the twenty-first century, analysts cannot hope to accurately project the likely ramifications of trade policies like the Trump administration’s tariffs."

 

Yes I read it....at best (or worst depending on how you approach) the article is saying you can't really say that Trump's policies helped or hurt the overall job numbers because the measure is too simplistic that is being employed. We've always used that measure but I'll accept the premise. The author does say though that Trump's policies hurt even if the methodology of reading the negative effects or paradigm of thought surrounding them is faulty. 

As to your other post- the author recognizes that even factoring out 2020- Trump's trade and account deficits were higher than at any point during Obama's presidency. 

 

There is also the cost factor associated with the tariffs. As an article from the Brookings Institute points out:

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And even those jobs that have been created have come at great cost: studies suggest American consumers paid about $817,000 in higher prices attributable to the tariffs for every job created in the washing machine industry and $900,000 in the steel industry.

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,517]

5 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Yes I read it....at best (or worst depending on how you approach) the article is saying you can't really say that Trump's policies helped or hurt the overall job numbers because the measure is too simplistic that is being employed. We've always used that measure but I'll accept the premise. The author does say though that Trump's policies hurt even if the methodology of reading the negative effects or paradigm of thought surrounding them is faulty. 

As to your other post- the author recognizes that even factoring out 2020- Trump's trade and account deficits were higher than at any point during Obama's presidency. 

 

There is also the cost factor associated with the tariffs. As an article from the Brookings Institute points out:

 

So higher prices is an issue for Trump, but not Biden. Makes sense. You are one clear eyed centrist there Mooney. Glad we have you around to keep it on an even keel. 

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

4 minutes ago, 5-Points said:

Are you ever going to answer his question? 

I know why this is hard for people because it isn't job creation in a super traditional sense. But- economists argue that 3.6-4 million of the jobs are due to the stimulus. That package signed into effect in March pumped lots of money into the economy and kept demand high which forced employers to open, or stay open, and make product. Additionally, Biden had a plan for getting vaccines out into the general public. Trump did fine in getting vaccines made but his plan to get them out did not work. Biden's plan, or at the very least- his people running it- increased those shots and it allowed things to open up. 

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I said it created jobs in the steel industry and a few other manufacturing sector jobs. If you’re not going to read what I wrote then Fock off.  Thanks. And the threat of tariffs also helped out, like with the reworked nafta treaty. I know you don’t  grasp that concept, but it’s real. 

And those gains were offset by losses in other areas. You can't just say "jobs were created" if an equal amount or more jobs are lost elsewhere. That is net zero or negative jobs. 

Also:

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Yet when we look in closer detail at the outcome of these negotiations, the threat of tariffs does not appear to have brought substantial gains to the U.S. The USMCA is, in general, very similar to NAFTA. And the Phase One trade deal consisted mostly of basic purchase agreements—which, due in part to the COVID-19 shutdown, are extremely unlikely to be attained—while punting the trickier, but more important, structural questions to a hypothetical Phase Two deal (which at this point seems unlikely to ever occur). Tariffs may get other countries’ attention, but don’t necessarily lead them to make substantial concessions to U.S. demands.

 

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

5 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

So higher prices is an issue for Trump, but not Biden. Makes sense. You are one clear eyed centrist there Mooney. Glad we have you around to keep it on an even keel. 

Pump prices are an issue for all presidents, as is poverty, war, disease, the economy, foreign policy and myriad other matters.

Presidents bear the weight of all the issues but aren't necessarily to blame for the creation of them, such as gas prices, which are more of a byproduct of supply and demand.

Instead of Economics 101, perhaps we can start with Economics 1 for you, and if that doesn't do the trick, perhaps we start using decimals.

Just trying to help.

 

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

5 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

So higher prices is an issue for Trump, but not Biden. Makes sense. You are one clear eyed centrist there Mooney. Glad we have you around to keep it on an even keel. 

You do understand the tariffs happened pre pandemic prices now are because of the pandemic?

Higher prices are not great ever for anyone...but there is a difference when someone's direct actions affect prices. It's kind of the difference between someone accidentally hitting your car and someone purposely hitting your car. 

 

And as I said- you only see me the way you do because your starting point is like to the right of Newsmax. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,517]

1 minute ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Higher prices is an issue for all presidents, as is poverty, war, disease, the economy and myriad other matters.

Presidents bear the weight of all the issues but aren't necessarily to blame for the creation of them, such as gas prices, which are more of a byproduct of supply and demand.

Instead of Economics 101, perhaps we can start with Economics 1 for you, and if that doesn't do the trick, perhaps we start using decimals.

 

Highest inflation in 40 years. Not all presidents achieved that. Like the last six. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,517]

2 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

You do understand the tariffs happened pre pandemic prices now are because of the pandemic?

Higher prices are not great ever for anyone...but there is a difference when someone's direct actions affect prices. It's kind of the difference between someone accidentally hitting your car and someone purposely hitting your car. 

 

And as I said- you only see me the way you do because your starting point is like to the right of Newsmax. 

No, I don’t. I think Biden, via his actions, most notably in the energy sector, is responsible for most of the increase. His printing money didn’t help either, but I can understand that.  

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

3 hours ago, Utilit99 said:

creepy joe got elected. China and Russia are now officially our leaders.

I take comfort in knowing you're eligible for the draft.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,517]

If the new Nafta was so useless, why did it receive bipartisan support? Trump! 

[Pimpadeaux 2,406]

5 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Highest inflation in 40 years. Not all presidents achieved that. Like the last six. 

Again, demand decreased dramatically in 2020 due to the pandemic. Consumers bought less. 

Then consumers went crazy in 2021and continue to do so. 

Supply is still catching up while demand has gone bananas.

Hampered supply + bananas demand = inflation.

Guess we'll have to kick your education back to Economics 0.5 to be on the safe side, but maybe there is a shot of educating you. Maybe.