What’s going on with the voting law Georgia passed?

[Mrs. Voltaire 46]

13 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

I needed ID and proof of my insurance, but I got it at a pharmacy. 

How is that not racist?

[listen2me 23 1,874]

5 minutes ago, Reality said:

Yup.

If so then isnt this worse than IDs to vote? 

The Dems want your vote but dont care about black people's health or lives? When it is said to hit black people harder? 

Am I following all of this correctly?

[Cdub100 3,931]

1 hour ago, Mike Honcho said:

Yeah, it's just voter id's. 

 

I couldn't get past the first 30 seconds. Total projection. Repubs ran on the economy, boarder protection, investing in america and bringing investment back into blue collar jobs. Democrats ran on OMB and muh racist.

This guy has the soyballs to say repubs didn't run on ideas.

 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,360]

1 hour ago, Herbivore said:

fair, but a lot of people in the thread have, so that was more directed that way, and the need for ids are based around stopping fraud.  Is there another reason you think ids are necessary?

I think ids should be required for everything. And fraud does exist. Why are people not intent on stopping it?

[edjr 6,608]

The liberals are never going to stop until we are a nation of woke cucks

[listen2me 23 1,874]

So instead of getting IDs into these people's hands thr direction Dems take it is to just not need an ID to vote.

That sums up Democrats to a T and how they operate 

[Casual Observer 597]

10 hours ago, dogcows said:

Election integrity is the reason why Biden is president. He won fair and square, and it was thanks to election officials who refused to bow to pressure from the White House to change votes. We are seeing the people like Sidney Powell who contested the election results now backtracking and saying her statements were just entertainment, not to be taken seriously. (funny how when the big money lawsuit appears, they change their tune)

Since there was no widespread fraud in the 2020 election, the bills that claim to be about “election integrity” cannot possibly be for that purpose. More people get struck by lightning than commit voter fraud. It is a one-in-a-million occurrence. For once, look at the numbers instead of “well everybody knows” or “my side lost so it’s obvious the other side cheated.” 

Americans ALREADY have election integrity. It is common sense to look at the numbers and see that fraud is not a problem at all. Just quit lying. You don’t want black people to vote because the more they vote, the more Democrats win. 

Maybe take a hint from Justin who is actually focused on Republicans making inroads with minorities instead of “muh fraud” all the time. He’s got the right idea: quit whining about fake reasons for losing and figure out how to win next time. When your coach loses all the time but constantly blames the refs, time to get a new coach.

I also think some of these laws will backfire. If it seems like somebody is taking away your right, you’re gonna get more determined to exercise it. Just look at how gun sales went up when people thought Obama was going to restrict guns after Sandy Hook. Same principle.

See Jerry's comment above.  Election integrity was sorely lacking and is still lacking in several places.  This allowed ballot stuffing by corrupt operators.  I need only look at the places that wouldn't allow canvassing and signature matches to know something is up, or where mysterious water main breaks stopped the counting, or election workers putting cardboard up over the windows.  Does that even happen in Honduras?  As usual, the liars on the left side of the aisle conflate the actual (illegal ballots, ballots cast by dead people, ballots cast by people with a parking lot for a residence address, ballots counted after the deadline) with the unprovable (Dominion engaged in fraud) and call them the same.  They're not.  Bad rhetorical practice from the left.

Lastly, Newbie get the fockin Bills logo out of your avi and stop pretending you're from WNY, you weirdo.

[Herbivore 1,142]

25 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

I think ids should be required for everything. And fraud does exist. Why are people not intent on stopping it?

You have 2 sides..Require IDs which opponents say will suppress the vote, and I think not completely stop fraud, or keep things as they are and have the minimal fraud that has been proven.  If IDs were required, and say hypothetically Trump lost this last election, none of his supporters would claim some kind of fraud?  There were 60 court cases or so that came up with bupkis.  You are trying to stop a problem, that isnt a problem.  

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55 minutes ago, Herbivore said:

You have 2 sides..Require IDs which opponents say will suppress the vote, and I think not completely stop fraud, or keep things as they are and have the minimal fraud that has been proven.  If IDs were required, and say hypothetically Trump lost this last election, none of his supporters would claim some kind of fraud?  There were 60 court cases or so that came up with bupkis.  You are trying to stop a problem, that isnt a problem.  

nothing will completely stop fraud, we know without 100% doubt that there are illegal votes, why not try to prevent it?  Mail in ballots is the biggest scam of all-time, if our votes don't matter why not have a dictatorship, oh thats right thats what the DNC wants

of course I feel the same about the wall, if it stops 1 death of an american I am all for it

 

 

[Herbivore 1,142]

18 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

nothing will completely stop fraud, we know without 100% doubt that there are illegal votes, why not try to prevent it?  Mail in ballots is the biggest scam of all-time, if our votes don't matter why not have a dictatorship, oh thats right thats what the DNC wants

 

Your vote matters.  The DNC comment is absurd, get off the ledge.  Mail in Ballots are a legitimate thing to have a concern about.

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Forget trying to help get whoever these people are IDs that they need to enjoy other things in society....like um driving.  

Nah its just the votes that matter.

 

[Cdub100 3,931]

21 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

nothing will completely stop fraud, we know without 100% doubt that there are illegal votes, why not try to prevent it?  Mail in ballots is the biggest scam of all-time, if our votes don't matter why not have a dictatorship, oh thats right thats what the DNC wants

of course I feel the same about the wall, if it stops 1 death of an american I am all for it

 

 

Are you sure we don't already have a dictatorship? The current guy signs EOs faster than any other president in history and that's with owning the house and having a tie breaker in the senate.

Our nation's capital looks like a dictatorship compound.

People are being forced to get medical care they don't want or need.

And we have daily propaganda pumped into our brains from all sources.

 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,360]

3 minutes ago, Herbivore said:

Your vote matters.  The DNC comment is absurd, get off the ledge.  Mail in Ballots are a legitimate thing to have a concern about.

they support the most dictatatorial president we have had

also these laws were put in place to require an ID to get an absentee ballot, but mahhhh suppression 

 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,360]

Just now, Cdub100 said:

Are you sure we don't already have a dictatorship? The current guy signs EOs faster than any other president in history and that's with owning the house and having a tie breaker in the senate.

Our nation's capital looks like a dictatorship compound.

People are being forced to get medical care they don't want or need.

And we have daily propaganda pumped into our brains from all sources.

 

thats what I was getting at without exactly spelling it out

 

[Cdub100 3,931]

Just now, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

thats what I was getting at without exactly spelling it out

 

Unfortunately you have to spell it out because liberals cannt see that far ahead 

[Reality 3,121]

26 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Forget trying to help get whoever these people are IDs that they need to enjoy other things in society....like um driving.  

Nah its just the votes that matter.

 

Right, tough to have rational conversations with irrational people.

[dogcows 1,030]

4 hours ago, Reality said:

Americans overwhelmingly support voter ID laws, I'll side with those folks. Thanks for all of the words though.

The Georgia law being discussed is NOT a “voter ID” law. Calling it such ignores pretty much everything about it. Yes, people support voter ID laws in theory. This law (as detailed in prior posts) is meant to depress turnout in certain areas, period. 

[listen2me 23 1,874]

Just now, dogcows said:

The Georgia law being discussed is NOT a “voter ID” law. Calling it such ignores pretty much everything about it. Yes, people support voter ID laws in theory. This law (as detailed in prior posts) is meant to depress turnout in certain areas, period. 

How do you feel about the same ones without ID not being able to get a vaccine to save them from an extremely dangerous virus? 

Their health and lives dont matter but just as long as they vote D?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,510]

3 minutes ago, dogcows said:

The Georgia law being discussed is NOT a “voter ID” law. Calling it such ignores pretty much everything about it. Yes, people support voter ID laws in theory. This law (as detailed in prior posts) is meant to depress turnout in certain areas, period. 

Why is the vote so depressed in NYC and other places then ? Do those areas suppress votes? 

[dogcows 1,030]

2 hours ago, Casual Observer said:

See Jerry's comment above.  Election integrity was sorely lacking and is still lacking in several places.  This allowed ballot stuffing by corrupt operators.  I need only look at the places that wouldn't allow canvassing and signature matches to know something is up, or where mysterious water main breaks stopped the counting, or election workers putting cardboard up over the windows.  Does that even happen in Honduras?  As usual, the liars on the left side of the aisle conflate the actual (illegal ballots, ballots cast by dead people, ballots cast by people with a parking lot for a residence address, ballots counted after the deadline) with the unprovable (Dominion engaged in fraud) and call them the same.  They're not.  Bad rhetorical practice from the left.

Lastly, Newbie get the fockin Bills logo out of your avi and stop pretending you're from WNY, you weirdo.

Please provide examples of the lack of voter integrity. Judges threw out every single Trump lawsuit. Now we have Sidney Powell backtracking and saying it was all a lie and no reasonable person would have believed her anyway.

Unfortunately, as can be easily seen here, a lot of people are far from reasonable and still believe in this despite the utter lack of evidence, and the recanting from people that brought the charges in the first place. 

At least kids who believe in the tooth fairy have the quarter under their pillow as a smidgen of evidence. The “muh fraud” believers don’t even have that, but if Trump said it, it must be true.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,510]

3 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Please provide examples of the lack of voter integrity. Judges threw out every single Trump lawsuit. Now we have Sidney Powell backtracking and saying it was all a lie and no reasonable person would have believed her anyway.

Unfortunately, as can be easily seen here, a lot of people are far from reasonable and still believe in this despite the utter lack of evidence, and the recanting from people that brought the charges in the first place. 

At least kids who believe in the tooth fairy have the quarter under their pillow as a smidgen of evidence. The “muh fraud” believers don’t even have that, but if Trump said it, it must be true.

Are you saying there’s no fraud in elections? 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,510]

The Washington Post just gave Biden 4 pinnochios for lying about the Georgia election law. Lol. Maybe he stuttered? 

[dogcows 1,030]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Are you saying there’s no fraud in elections? 

Did you read my prior post? If you want a bit more detail, people broke it down, and figured out how much voter fraud actually happens: 0.00006 percent.

As for a state that does mail-in voting, they looked at Oregon. In 20 years, only 2 fraud cases were brought out of 50 million votes. "That is 0.000004 percent — about five times less likely than getting hit by lightning in the United States."

Feel free to believe whatever comes out of the orange man’s mouth if you want, or you could rely on actual facts. Up to you I guess.

https://shass.mit.edu/news/news-2020-pandemic-voting-mail-safe-honest-and-fair-stewart

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,510]

2 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Did you read my prior post? If you want a bit more detail, people broke it down, and figured out how much voter fraud actually happens: 0.00006 percent.

As for a state that does mail-in voting, they looked at Oregon. In 20 years, only 2 fraud cases were brought out of 50 million votes. "That is 0.000004 percent — about five times less likely than getting hit by lightning in the United States."

Feel free to believe whatever comes out of the orange man’s mouth if you want, or you could rely on actual facts. Up to you I guess.

https://shass.mit.edu/news/news-2020-pandemic-voting-mail-safe-honest-and-fair-stewart

 

So, you judge the amount of times fraud occurred by the amount of times it is discovered and prosecuted?  That would be like judging the amount of times people drive 25 mph over the speed limit by the amount of tickets given and prosecuted. And that would be really stupid.  But you admit that fraud does occur, now can you tell us how it’s done? 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,510]

And wants the incentive to cheat in a federal election in Oregon, which is deep blue? You wouldn’t do it there, it wouldn’t make sense. 

[dogcows 1,030]

10 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

So, you judge the amount of times fraud occurred by the amount of times it is discovered and prosecuted?  That would be like judging the amount of times people drive 25 mph over the speed limit by the amount of tickets given and prosecuted. And that would be really stupid.  But you admit that fraud does occur, now can you tell us how it’s done? 

That’s far more accurate than your method of judging it based on how many times you imagine it happened. One uses evidence, one is pulled directly out of your azz.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,510]

8 minutes ago, dogcows said:

That’s far more accurate than your method of judging it based on how many times you imagine it happened. One uses evidence, one is pulled directly out of your azz.

Fine. Just tell us how the fraud is committed. 

[dogcows 1,030]

7 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Fine. Just tell us how the fraud is committed. 

Sure, no problem. The conservative Heritage Foundation started a database of all voter fraud cases. It dates back 50 years I believe. Over all that time, with hundreds of millions of votes cast, they have come up with just over 1,000 cases of fraud. There have been over 500 million votes during that time frame, so you’re around 0.000002 for fraud.

I’m not sure what they were trying to prove with this DB, but it failed miserably. Thanks to their efforts, everybody can see that voter fraud is exceedingly rare. Again, we’re talking less likely than getting hit by lightning.

I believe they detail how different people committed fraud in each case if you want to peruse the DB.

https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud

[Hardcore troubadour 15,510]

34 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Sure, no problem. The conservative Heritage Foundation started a database of all voter fraud cases. It dates back 50 years I believe. Over all that time, with hundreds of millions of votes cast, they have come up with just over 1,000 cases of fraud. There have been over 500 million votes during that time frame, so you’re around 0.000002 for fraud.

I’m not sure what they were trying to prove with this DB, but it failed miserably. Thanks to their efforts, everybody can see that voter fraud is exceedingly rare. Again, we’re talking less likely than getting hit by lightning.

I believe they detail how different people committed fraud in each case if you want to peruse the DB.

https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud

I was asking you. So, you googled it. Nice work. Proving that you didn’t know what you were talking about, just repeating what you’ve been told.  Carry on. 

[Herbivore 1,142]

20 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I was asking you. So, you googled it. Nice work. Proving that you didn’t know what you were talking about, just repeating what you’ve been told.  Carry on. 

HT takes the L

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If you don’t think voter fraud occurs then why are you so opposed to investigating it. We sat by and let you idiots do everything you wanted with Russia 

did you know in Georgia there are approximately 1.5% of ballots that are not accepted on a average in every election. Did you know that in 2020 that number was less than 0.2%
 

that alone is ground enough for investigation

i also believe that Pennsylvania illegally changed the voting laws in October of 2019 without following their own voting laws

[Mike Honcho 5,295]

12 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

If you don’t think voter fraud occurs then why are you so opposed to investigating it. We sat by and let you idiots do everything you wanted with Russia 

did you know in Georgia there are approximately 1.5% of ballots that are not accepted on a average in every election. Did you know that in 2020 that number was less than 0.2%
 

that alone is ground enough for investigation

i also believe that Pennsylvania illegally changed the voting laws in October of 2019 without following their own voting laws

Link, cause I can't find anything close to 1.5%?

[Casual Observer 597]

1 hour ago, dogcows said:

Please provide examples of the lack of voter integrity. Judges threw out every single Trump lawsuit. Now we have Sidney Powell backtracking and saying it was all a lie and no reasonable person would have believed her anyway.

Unfortunately, as can be easily seen here, a lot of people are far from reasonable and still believe in this despite the utter lack of evidence, and the recanting from people that brought the charges in the first place. 

At least kids who believe in the tooth fairy have the quarter under their pillow as a smidgen of evidence. The “muh fraud” believers don’t even have that, but if Trump said it, it must be true.

Meh, the argument gets old that Judges, cogs in a  system dominated by the Establishment that didn't like Trump in the first place, threw out some lawsuits and that this self-reinforcing feedback loop proves that there wasn't fraud or irregularities in the election.  Again, you place "Judges" on some kind of pedestal.  Most are where they are because they are political hacks.  Throwing out a lawsuit claiming that the Plaintiff was too early or too late is too cute by half, but can be employed in situations where the Court doesn't really like the Plaintiff.  This doesn't say too much about the truth or merits of the claims.

There's a whole bunch of evidence on this guy's timeline (Matt Braynard):  https://twitter.com/MattBraynard?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author

You've got plenty of time on your hands to peruse it.  I've never heard a sufficient explanation of the water main break in Fulton County, the ballots under the table, the cardboard on the windows in Wayne County while they're doing counts, the number of dead people and illegals that voted in Clark County, etc.  If it's OK with you, I'm going to withhold my faith in the integrity of the process until such time as third world things stop happening with our elections and the officials in charge of those elections don't stonewall attempts to canvas and verify votes cast, signatures on absentee ballots, etc.

By the way, despite your claims to obvious racism, the Georgia law was passed because the GOP there know they are focked unless they do something.  800,000 GA republican voters stayed home in the special election for the Senator seat, which Kelly Loeffler lost.

[Casual Observer 597]

1 hour ago, dogcows said:

Sure, no problem. The conservative Heritage Foundation started a database of all voter fraud cases. It dates back 50 years I believe. Over all that time, with hundreds of millions of votes cast, they have come up with just over 1,000 cases of fraud. There have been over 500 million votes during that time frame, so you’re around 0.000002 for fraud.

I’m not sure what they were trying to prove with this DB, but it failed miserably. Thanks to their efforts, everybody can see that voter fraud is exceedingly rare. Again, we’re talking less likely than getting hit by lightning.

I believe they detail how different people committed fraud in each case if you want to peruse the DB.

https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud

The Heritage Foundation is a bunch of RINOs.  They're not after the truth, nor did they compile an accurate or complete list here.  Fail, Newbie.

[dogcows 1,030]

4 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I was asking you. So, you googled it. Nice work. Proving that you didn’t know what you were talking about, just repeating what you’ve been told.  Carry on. 

No, I’m quite familiar with that report, having gone through it in the past. Why do you never argue with actual facts? You just throw out statements like “you don’t know what you’re talking about.” Great argument. Again, anybody claiming there is rampant voter fraud has never been able to show evidence of it. And if you question them, the answer is “well clearly everybody loves Trump and he lost so it was rigged. QED.” Great argument, you get an F on your logic test yet again, Timmy.

[dogcows 1,030]

3 hours ago, Casual Observer said:

The Heritage Foundation is a bunch of RINOs.  They're not after the truth, nor did they compile an accurate or complete list here.  Fail, Newbie.

Hahahahaha Trump used them for his SCOTUS nominees. They are very conservative.

Again, if you have evidence that this is false or evidence of other voter fraud they missed, please share it with the forum. And maybe send it to the Heritage foundation so they can add it to their DB.

Let’s just say I’m not holding my breath.

Don’t have any evidence? Just call people names. Good job.

 

[dogcows 1,030]

3 hours ago, Casual Observer said:

Meh, the argument gets old that Judges, cogs in a  system dominated by the Establishment that didn't like Trump in the first place, threw out some lawsuits and that this self-reinforcing feedback loop proves that there wasn't fraud or irregularities in the election.  Again, you place "Judges" on some kind of pedestal.  Most are where they are because they are political hacks.  Throwing out a lawsuit claiming that the Plaintiff was too early or too late is too cute by half, but can be employed in situations where the Court doesn't really like the Plaintiff.  This doesn't say too much about the truth or merits of the claims.

There's a whole bunch of evidence on this guy's timeline (Matt Braynard):  https://twitter.com/MattBraynard?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author

You've got plenty of time on your hands to peruse it.  I've never heard a sufficient explanation of the water main break in Fulton County, the ballots under the table, the cardboard on the windows in Wayne County while they're doing counts, the number of dead people and illegals that voted in Clark County, etc.  If it's OK with you, I'm going to withhold my faith in the integrity of the process until such time as third world things stop happening with our elections and the officials in charge of those elections don't stonewall attempts to canvas and verify votes cast, signatures on absentee ballots, etc.

By the way, despite your claims to obvious racism, the Georgia law was passed because the GOP there know they are focked unless they do something.  800,000 GA republican voters stayed home in the special election for the Senator seat, which Kelly Loeffler lost.

This is classic conspiracy theorist thinking. No actual evidence of any wrongdoing… just a lot of stuff that supposedly “doesn’t add up” or is “suspicious.”

The thing about such thinking is that it focuses on things that supposedly cannot be proven, but also cannot be disproven! And then the burden is on everybody except the conspiracy theorist to disprove every one of their crazy theories. Sorry. If you think a crime happened, investigate it. Get evidence. Millions of dollars were spent by Trump’s campaign to try and find something…. They couldn’t find anything. That’s very telling. The person who literally had the MOST to gain from this had millions of dollars at his disposal and still couldn’t come up with anything. Again, if you still believe in it after all that, then I’ve got some land in Florida to sell you.

[dogcows 1,030]

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,510]

52 minutes ago, dogcows said:

No, I’m quite familiar with that report, having gone through it in the past. Why do you never argue with actual facts? You just throw out statements like “you don’t know what you’re talking about.” Great argument. Again, anybody claiming there is rampant voter fraud has never been able to show evidence of it. And if you question them, the answer is “well clearly everybody loves Trump and he lost so it was rigged. QED.” Great argument, you get an F on your logic test yet again, Timmy.

Who said rampant fraud? And why would anyone do that? And the claims aren’t all about fraud. Rampant fraud isn’t necessary, or possible. How’s that logic? 

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1 hour ago, dogcows said:

This is classic conspiracy theorist thinking. No actual evidence of any wrongdoing… just a lot of stuff that supposedly “doesn’t add up” or is “suspicious.”

The thing about such thinking is that it focuses on things that supposedly cannot be proven, but also cannot be disproven! And then the burden is on everybody except the conspiracy theorist to disprove every one of their crazy theories. Sorry. If you think a crime happened, investigate it. Get evidence. Millions of dollars were spent by Trump’s campaign to try and find something…. They couldn’t find anything. That’s very telling. The person who literally had the MOST to gain from this had millions of dollars at his disposal and still couldn’t come up with anything. Again, if you still believe in it after all that, then I’ve got some land in Florida to sell you.

Well, SCOTUS chose not to hear the PA case, with no public explanation.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/02/22/supreme-court-gop-pennsylvania-election-dispute-470827

One might speculate that Roberts feared the ramifications of the expected outcome of the case, given the clear overstepping of bounds by the PA executive branch.  Or perhaps it was whatever pablum the MSM fed you about there being no widespread errr.... rampant voter fraud.