The Delta Variant

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7 hours ago, JustinCharge said:

We're not seeing progress.  Just more spin and lies with data.  People are losing trust in the medical field if they can't just admit what  they don't know.

 

 

The medical field isn’t infallible, nobody is. But undercutting your own medical experts for obviously partisan reasons doesn’t help. I think people are willing to tolerate mistakes and “I don’t know.” Trump’s problem with Covid is that he revealed himself as a fundamentally unserious person and voters got fed up.

Thats why he lost. Not the MSM, fraud or whatever other excuse the sky screamers give you.

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8 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Of course it’s revisionist history, isn’t that the definition of an “if” statement?

Or are you saying you don’t think Trump could have won if he handled covid differently?

That's exactly what I am saying. He was out no matter what he did. 

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11 hours ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

they were anarchists, you know people against all govt

That’s partly right. Most of them were FBI informants. Wouldn’t be the first time the FBI created a plot. Read up on the Newburgh 4. But people like Worms really think these guys in Michigan were wearing MAGA hats. You can tell them anything and they’ll buy it. And they cry about Q. Joke. 

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2 hours ago, TK0001 said:

That's exactly what I am saying. He was out no matter what he did. 

I would tend to disagree, but of course neither of us know what would have happened.

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3 hours ago, TK0001 said:

That's exactly what I am saying. He was out no matter what he did. 

That is why Nancy said very firm and sarcastic months before he won't be President again. Like she knew something and bet she did.

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wtf has happened to this thread? lol

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3 hours ago, Big Guy said:

wtf has happened to this thread? lol

It's thinking of going on tour ? Delta has good PR right now from MSM and a good agent.

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On 7/12/2021 at 9:41 AM, Fireballer said:

I've been reading about how the vaccine reactions are so much worse for people that actually had Covid.  A guy I work with got vaxxed about a month after recovering and it put him in the hospital.

I heard you were supposed to wait 90 days before getting the vaccine if had COVID.

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On 7/15/2021 at 9:58 AM, Hawkeye21 said:

Trump and Biden were both terrible candidates.  I've said it plenty of times and it's sad that the greatest country in the world had those two people as the main options.

No, it's sad you (and others), see it that way.  Most people vote for people they "like" instead of people right for the job.  It starts when we're kids.  We always wanted to popular.  Have the most friends.  Be the most liked.  You have class presidents and officers and what not... everyone votes for the coolest or prettiest.  Eventually, you grow up... well, some do.  Most don't.  You get to high school and you vote on student council.  Who are the ones with the most votes?  The best looking and most liked.  What get's done?  Nothing.

A good majority of people never leave high school.  They need to be liked and need to like people.  Well, in politics, the exact opposite is needed.  You need the right people for the job.  People with the best policies.  Not the people who are "nice".   Trump was an azzhat, about 95% of the Republican's know that.  But they didn't care.  They voted for the person who was going to put this country in a better place.

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22 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

He didn’t say grab your gun and go shoot the governor.

He did say rise up against the governor and oh by the way second amendment.

Seems pretty reckless to me but whatever, fortunately the nut is gone

Yeah, because Democrat politicians never say rise up against [fill in the blank], referring to a Republican, right?

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48 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

No, it's sad you (and others), see it that way.  Most people vote for people they "like" instead of people right for the job.  It starts when we're kids.  We always wanted to popular.  Have the most friends.  Be the most liked.  You have class presidents and officers and what not... everyone votes for the coolest or prettiest.  Eventually, you grow up... well, some do.  Most don't.  You get to high school and you vote on student council.  Who are the ones with the most votes?  The best looking and most liked.  What get's done?  Nothing.

A good majority of people never leave high school.  They need to be liked and need to like people.  Well, in politics, the exact opposite is needed.  You need the right people for the job.  People with the best policies.  Not the people who are "nice".   Trump was an azzhat, about 95% of the Republican's know that.  But they didn't care.  They voted for the person who was going to put this country in a better place.

What are you babbling about?

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1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

What are you babbling about?

You said, "I've said it plenty of times and it's sad that the greatest country in the world had those two people as the main options."  I responded to why you and others like you feel that way.

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Just now, TBayXXXVII said:

You said, "I've said it plenty of times and it's sad that the greatest country in the world had those two people as the main options."  I responded to why you and others like you feel that way.

They were both terrible candidates.

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1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

They were both terrible candidates.

I disagree.  Trump was an azzhole, but he was a good candidate.  His policies were helping the country and would be helping now.  You thought he was a bad candidate because he was an azzhole... thus proving my point above.

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Just now, TBayXXXVII said:

I disagree.  Trump was an azzhole, but he was a good candidate.  His policies were helping the country and would be helping now.  You thought he was a bad candidate because he was an azzhole... thus proving my point above.

I thought he was terrible for multiple reasons and I've sited them on here for years.

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Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

I thought he was terrible for multiple reasons and I've sited them on here for years.

Yeah, and they were virtually all because he wasn't likeable.  Had very little to do with his policies.  Well, I do remember you having a problem with his sanctions on China causing some problems for farmers, but I live in South Jersey where farming is very huge.  Agriculture is a life line down here and none of them were struggling.

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24 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Yeah, and they were virtually all because he wasn't likeable.  Had very little to do with his policies.  Well, I do remember you having a problem with his sanctions on China causing some problems for farmers, but I live in South Jersey where farming is very huge.  Agriculture is a life line down here and none of them were struggling.

Farmers are doing pretty well right now but only the ones that survived.  There were a lot of farms that failed during the Trump administration.  I can't say he was directly responsible for all of it but he didn't help.  I have said that he performed better than I expected him to though.

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52 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Farmers are doing pretty well right now but only the ones that survived.  There were a lot of farms that failed during the Trump administration.  I can't say he was directly responsible for all of it but he didn't help.  I have said that he performed better than I expected him to though.

know who owns and shut down the most farms in the United States?

 

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4 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

know who owns and shut down the most farms in the United States?

 

I'm talking family owned farms.

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Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

I'm talking family owned farms.

I am too, while farms were struggling Bill Gates were buying them out and letting them go under

 

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Just now, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

I am too, while farms were struggling Bill Gates were buying them out and letting them go under

 

That doesn't explain why those family farms failed, just that Gates bought them.

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9 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

That doesn't explain why those family farms failed, just that Gates bought them.

they failed the same reason most businesses failed, over-regulation and taxation

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2 hours ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I thought he was terrible for multiple reasons and I've sited them on here for years.

Answer this hypothetical question.

If you paid no attention to who was POTUS & what went on in Washington & the WH during his 4 years what would you say about the POTUS for those 4 years? 

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3 minutes ago, lod001 said:

Answer this hypothetical question.

If you paid no attention to who was POTUS & what went on in Washington & the WH during his 4 years what would you say about the POTUS for those 4 years? 

I already said he did better than I expected. 

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3 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I already said he did better than I expected. 

ok.

What I don't get is how the masses did better after his 4 years but voted for these 2 complete idiots who have never accomplished anything. That has never happened. If things are going great, which they were, the incumbent gets another 4 years. Of course him shooting his mouth off all the time cost him because there are too many woketards here in the USA who are so thin skinned and are brainwashed into thinking they should get everything handed to them. 

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1 hour ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

I am too, while farms were struggling Bill Gates were buying them out and letting them go under

 

Gates is buying land and owns a f0ck ton of it now. It’s a limited commodity and only ever moreso as the global population grows and grows and wealth becomes more and more concentrated. He may be a sicko pedophile perv but Gates ain’t no dummy.

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1 hour ago, lod001 said:

ok.

What I don't get is how the masses did better after his 4 years but voted for these 2 complete idiots who have never accomplished anything. That has never happened. If things are going great, which they were, the incumbent gets another 4 years. Of course him shooting his mouth off all the time cost him because there are too many woketards here in the USA who are so thin skinned and are brainwashed into thinking they should get everything handed to them. 

Well things weren't going great because of covid.  Obviously that wasn't his fault, but I still think if he took covid more seriously that he could have won. 

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1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

Well things weren't going great because of covid.  Obviously that wasn't his fault, but I still think if he took covid more seriously that he could have won. 

WTF are you talking about?  I'm so sick of this talking point. 

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22 minutes ago, Strike said:

WTF are you talking about?  I'm so sick of this talking point. 

I'm saying if Trump did a better job at managing covid, I think he could have won the election.  Obviously no one knows what would have happened.

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21 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I'm saying if Trump did a better job at managing covid, I think he could have won the election.  Obviously no one knows what would have happened.

Although to be fair, the way things are playing out, we could very well get 12 years of Trump running things this way instead of 8.  Trump is basically in charge of the GOP right now and setting policy on that front where he can at state and local levels where republicans are in charge.  This might be preferable to 2 consecutive terms.

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34 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

I'm saying if Trump did a better job at managing covid, I think he could have won the election.  Obviously no one knows what would have happened.

Be specific.

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1 minute ago, Strike said:

Be specific.

Gotten more tests in the beginning (which other countries had but we didn’t).  He also made matters worse by lying and saying “anyone that wants a test can get one” when that wasn’t true until probably mid-May at the earliest.

Standardized contact tracing efforts.  Our contact tracing was horrible.

Distribute/allocate PPE rather than pit the states against each other and then even bidding against them.

Just overall taken it more seriously by doing things like not discouraging masks (not even encouraging them, just not discouraging them once most agreed early on that they at least helped slightly), or by not repeatedly saying that he thought covid would disappear. 

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32 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Gotten more tests in the beginning (which other countries had but we didn’t).  He also made matters worse by lying and saying “anyone that wants a test can get one” when that wasn’t true until probably mid-May at the earliest.

Standardized contact tracing efforts.  Our contact tracing was horrible.

Distribute/allocate PPE rather than pit the states against each other and then even bidding against them.

Just overall taken it more seriously by doing things like not discouraging masks (not even encouraging them, just not discouraging them once most agreed early on that they at least helped slightly), or by not repeatedly saying that he thought covid would disappear. 

Holy crap, what a load of bull.  Glad you let the propaganda work. 

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11 minutes ago, Strike said:

Holy crap, what a load of bull.  Glad you let the propaganda work. 

Feel free to dispute any of it with specifics (kinda like you asked of me):

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2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Feel free to dispute any of it with facts.

Nah.  I'm done with you.  It's pointless.  You didn't even respond the last time I tore you a new a-hole in the Covid thread.  Because I brought facts you couldn't refute so you waddled away with your tail between your legs.  Dude literally delivered a vaccine in 10 months and fools like you continue to pretend he didn't take it seriously.

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And again, the “propaganda” didn’t “work on me” because I voted for Trump.  But basically the only good thing he did on covid was helping get the vaccine here quickly.  Of course the democrat governors were worse because they killed nursing home residents, but that doesn’t mean Trump did well.

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2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

And again, the “propaganda” didn’t “work on me” because I voted for Trump.  But basically the only good thing he did on covid was helping get the vaccine here quickly.  Of course the democrat governors were worse because they killed nursing home residents, but that doesn’t mean Trump did well.

Just put your mask back on.

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7 minutes ago, Strike said:

Nah.  I'm done with you.  It's pointless.  You didn't even respond the last time I tore you a new a-hole in the Covid thread.  Because I brought facts you couldn't refute so you waddled away with your tail between your legs.  Dude literally delivered a vaccine in 10 months and fools like you continue to pretend he didn't take it seriously.

He didn’t, at least publicly which contributed to many of his supporters not taking it seriously.

All the times Trump said covid would disappear - https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020/10/politics/covid-disappearing-trump-comment-tracker/ - yes, it’s CNN but it includes links to the speeches where it was said.

What didn’t I reply to you on in the covid thread?  Are you making up claims about California again?

 

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6 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

And again, the “propaganda” didn’t “work on me” because I voted for Trump.  But basically the only good thing he did on covid was helping get the vaccine here quickly.  Of course the democrat governors were worse because they killed nursing home residents, but that doesn’t mean Trump did well.

Really?  The only thing he did was the vaccine, which by the way is the most important thing he could have done.  ROFLMAO as you minimizing that.  The "experts" said it would take 18-24 months for the vaccine.   Did Trump stop travel from China while everyone, including Biden and Pelosi, called him a xenophobe for doing so?  Did Trump send two navy ships to New York when they ran out of hospital beds?  Ships it turned out they didn't need, but he sent them anyways.  I could go on and on, but your ridiculous assertion that the only good thing he did was the vaccine is laughable on it's face. 

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4 hours ago, Hawkeye21 said:

That doesn't explain why those family farms failed, just that Gates bought them.

Not true.....Government regulations with intent to kill small farms is the reason. I'm sure Bill Gates & Soros hand their hands in that.