Alec Baldwin killed a woman

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On 8/17/2023 at 12:08 PM, RLLD said:

The holier than thou position is for show, its for family and friends and social capital.....when it comes to income and such, well, that all fades away like the tail lights of an immigrant bus leaving Martha's Vineyard.....

How the fock does a bus leave Martha's Vineyard, unless it's on a ferry, in which case it's turned off.

Focking stupid MAGAts.

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2 hours ago, gas said:

How the fock does a bus leave Martha's Vineyard, unless it's on a ferry, in which case it's turned off.

Focking stupid MAGAts.

That's your fookin beef?  Way to avoid the point you f'n retard.

F'n stupid DNC glory hole connisuer.

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On 4/22/2023 at 3:09 PM, Mike Honcho said:

19 pages and after we get a resolution, it sure got quiet in here after so many bold statements earlier. 

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1 minute ago, Strike said:

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At that time, I wasn't aware of any new reports that would be forthcoming, but feel free for patting yourself on the back for disappearing until new evidence emerged. 

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Dude should have been in prison long ago. 

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4 hours ago, Mike Honcho said:

At that time, I wasn't aware of any new reports that would be forthcoming, but feel free for patting yourself on the back for disappearing until new evidence emerged. 

I posted in August about this. 

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He’s being re-charged  

 

 

A grand jury in New Mexico indicted Alec Baldwin on Friday on a charge of involuntary manslaughter, reviving the criminal case against him in the fatal shooting of a cinematographer more than two years ago on the set of the film “Rust” when a gun he was rehearsing went off, one of the prosecutors said.

The grand jury issued the indictment on Friday, according to Kari T. Morrissey, who was assigned to the case last year with her colleague Jason J. Lewis after the local district attorney’s initial prosecution against Mr. Baldwin fell apart and the initial charge was dismissed.

The indictment, which came exactly one year after the initial involuntary manslaughter case against him was announced, was the latest reversal of fortune for Mr. Baldwin.

In New Mexico, an involuntary manslaughter conviction on a charge like the one Mr. Baldwin faces carries up to 18 months in prison.

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Seems this is why:

 

After Ms. Reeb stepped down, and a judge ruled that the district attorney could not appoint a new special prosecutor to work on the case without stepping down herself, Ms. Carmack-Altwies handed the case off to a new team of prosecutors, Ms. Morrissey and Mr. Lewis. They dismissed the original charge against Mr. Baldwin after receiving new evidence indicating that the gun may have been modified in a way that could have made it easier to discharge without the trigger having been pulled.

They reserved the right to recharge Mr. Baldwin after sending the gun for further inspection. A new forensic report written by Lucien C. Haag determined that Mr. Baldwin must have pulled the trigger, finding that the gun needed two pounds of pressure to fire.

 

But in order to conduct the testing, Mr. Haag had to replace parts of the gun, which had been damaged by the F.B.I. during its own analysis. That complication is certain to be raised by Mr. Baldwin’s defense, who have called the revived prosecution “misguided.”

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https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/19/arts/alec-baldwin-charged-involuntary-manslaughter.html

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3 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

He’s being re-charged  

 

 

 

Excellent news.

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It was possibly dumb of him to claim he hadn’t pulled the trigger. It seems like that just lacks credibility. But I dunno, maybe the defense of “yeah I pulled it but I never thought there was live ammo in it” doesn’t quite get you there under the law

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13 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

It was possibly dumb of him to claim he hadn’t pulled the trigger. It seems like that just lacks credibility. But I dunno, maybe the defense of “yeah I pulled it but I never thought there was live ammo in it” doesn’t quite get you there under the law

His defense should be what the Fock he did.  He knows he pulled the trigger, he’s just trying to get away with murder 2

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18 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

It was possibly dumb of him to claim he hadn’t pulled the trigger. It seems like that just lacks credibility. But I dunno, maybe the defense of “yeah I pulled it but I never thought there was live ammo in it” doesn’t quite get you there under the law

Accountability....is a rare commodity today....

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9 minutes ago, Alias Detective said:

His defense should be what the Fock he did.  He knows he pulled the trigger, he’s just trying to get away with murder 2

You think he loaded the live ammo and killed them on purpose?

I mean, he is a hothead, so I wouldn’t put anything past him. Especially if there’s anything indicating a relationship gone wrong or advances refused or something like that. But so far we have never heard of anything like that and even now he’s only being charged with involuntary manslaughter 

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8 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Accountability....is a rare commodity today....

Let me ask you a question. If you were in a movie and were handed a gun to shoot at someone, would you not check to see if it was loaded with a live round? And I don't care how many times you are asked to do it. Also, I understand you aren't supposed to ever point it at someone when you shoot it. Would you follow that direction?

It's crazy that people think that this type of neglect should all be overlooked. 

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5 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Accountability....is a rare commodity today....

Would you fess up and possibly go to prison if you were him? Be honest. And let’s assume it’s just that he did pull the trigger but had absolutely no specific way of ever knowing or suspecting that there could be live ammo in the gun.

It’s an interesting ethical dilemma, imo. 

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8 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Let me ask you a question. If you were in a movie and were handed a gun to shoot at someone, would you not check to see if it was loaded with a live round? And I don't care how many times you are asked to do it. Also, I understand you aren't supposed to ever point it at someone when you shoot it. Would you follow that direction?

It's crazy that people think that this type of neglect should all be overlooked. 

Hell yeah.  Moreover, pointing a weapon at someone that I am not pointedly intending to kill would lead to a dramatic reaction on my part. My training is to be overly cautious with ANY weapon.  Even a weapon with blanks has a short killing radius....

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7 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Would you fess up and possibly go to prison if you were him? Be honest. And let’s assume it’s just that he did pull the trigger but had absolutely no specific way of ever knowing or suspecting that there could be live ammo in the gun.

It’s an interesting ethical dilemma, imo. 

It a great question.  My life has been predicated on speaking the truth, even when it was certain to result in negative outcomes....but I never faced his situation. i want to believe I would remain true to honor, but avoiding a life in jail.....could lead me elsewhere.....

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9 minutes ago, RLLD said:

It a great question.  My life has been predicated on speaking the truth, even when it was certain to result in negative outcomes....but I never faced his situation. i want to believe I would remain true to honor, but avoiding a life in jail.....could lead me elsewhere.....

I am not sure I would, tbh. He’s got young kids that could be without their dad for a few years, a wife without her husband. Maybe they end up in financial ruin. And does it make anything better? All because, as an actor on a movie set, he assumed the gun he was handed would not be loaded with live focking ammo? I dunno man, that would be a mighty bitter pill to swallow.

I bet the trolls will come after me, but if it was theirselves and their own family at stake (if they have families ), rather than a famous liberal, Trump-hating celebrity, they might sing a different tune 

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1 minute ago, RLLD said:

Hell yeah.  Moreover, pointing a weapon at someone that I am not pointedly intending to kill would lead to a dramatic reaction on my part. My training is to be overly cautious with ANY weapon.  Even a weapon with blanks has a short killing radius....

Exactly. I was not in the military and approach it the exact way you do. I respect weapons and my use of them.

I don't get it. People who don't think about using weapons should be held accountable when they misuse them. Hell everyone should. 

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2 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

I am not sure I would, tbh. He’s got young kids that could be without their dad for a few years, a wife without her husband. And does it make anything better? All because, as an actor on a movie set, he assumed the gun he was handed would not be loaded with live focking ammo? I dunno man, that would be a mighty bitter pill to swallow

Yeah, it sets a precedent for those down the line. It's important to teach the lesson so it doesn't happen again.

 

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2 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Yeah, it sets a precedent for those down the line. It's important to teach the lesson so it doesn't happen again.

 

That’s a fair point

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6 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

That’s a fair point

And the dude will get soft time. He could probably use the rest honestly.

He won't get put in a level 6 prison like in Joliet. 

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24 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

You think he loaded the live ammo and killed them on purpose?

I mean, he is a hothead, so I wouldn’t put anything past him. Especially if there’s anything indicating a relationship gone wrong or advances refused or something like that. But so far we have never heard of anything like that and even now he’s only being charged with involuntary manslaughter 

I don’t think a weapon should be pointed at a person unless you intend to fire..  Especially during “warmups”.  So, the recklessness of pointing a weapon at a person and pulling the trigger results in what charge if not murder 2?

 

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On 8/16/2023 at 9:18 AM, Strike said:

New report filed with court says trigger had to be pulled for gun to fire.  Prosecutors may refile charges against Baldwin.

Damn I'm  good.

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17 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

I am not sure I would, tbh. He’s got young kids that could be without their dad for a few years, a wife without her husband. Maybe they end up in financial ruin. And does it make anything better? All because, as an actor on a movie set, he assumed the gun he was handed would not be loaded with live focking ammo? I dunno man, that would be a mighty bitter pill to swallow.

I bet the trolls will come after me, but if it was theirselves and their own family at stake (if they have families ), rather than a famous liberal, Trump-hating celebrity, they might sing a different tune 

He skipped mandatory gun training because he couldn't be bothered with it.  I'm sorry but if you choose to skip mandatory training on the proper use of a deadly tool and then you end up killing someone with said tool you should be held accountable.   You lefties sure don't value innocent lives much. 

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33 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Would you fess up and possibly go to prison if you were him? Be honest. And let’s assume it’s just that he did pull the trigger but had absolutely no specific way of ever knowing or suspecting that there could be live ammo in the gun.

It’s an interesting ethical dilemma, imo. 

I wouldn't be in his position in the first place.

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13 minutes ago, Alias Detective said:

I don’t think a weapon should be pointed at a person unless you intend to fire..  Especially during “warmups”.  So, the recklessness of pointing a weapon at a person and pulling the trigger results in what charge if not murder 2?

 

Murder 2 is generally a purposeful but not premeditated killing

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5 minutes ago, Strike said:

I wouldn't be in his position in the first place.

Oh I bet you have done a lot of stupid sh1t in your life.

As have I.

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6 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Oh I bet you have done a lot of stupid sh1t in your life.

As have I.

As an adult though? To this level?

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2 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

As an adult though? To this level?

Definitely in my 20s… but unfortunately probably in my 30s too, yeah 

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2 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Definitely in my 20s… but unfortunately probably in my 30s too, yeah 

I honestly can't compare my fockups with that movie disaster, but I get it to a degree. 

Sucks.

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9 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Definitely in my 20s… but unfortunately probably in my 30s too, yeah 

You killed someone and lied about it?  Why am I not shocked?

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I'm glad he is getting tried for this. That woman's life mattered. Just because we love Alec Baldwin as an actor doesn't mean he shouldn't stand trial for taking someone's life. If I accidentally ran over someone with my car I would have to stand trial for it. He is not above the law. 
For all we know, he killed her on purpose. 

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32 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Murder 2 is generally a purposeful but not premeditated killing

I won’t pretend to know more than you on the subject. I feel it was accidental. It was reckless and therefore deserves a punishment to fit the crime.

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3 minutes ago, peenie said:

I'm glad he is getting tried for this. That woman's life mattered. Just because we love Alec Baldwin as an actor doesn't mean he shouldn't stand trial for taking someone's life. If I accidentally ran over someone with my car I would have to stand trial for it. He is not above the law. 
For all we know, he killed her on purpose. 

Now that's interesting. 

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3 minutes ago, Alias Detective said:

I won’t pretend to know more than you on the subject. I feel it was accidental. It was reckless and therefore deserves a punishment to fit the crime.

Fair enough. I suppose you could try for depraved heart murder but seems like a real stretch to me with what we currently know: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depraved-heart_murder

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He’s been re-indicted.  This is just baffling.  It’s a prop that was handed to him.  He’s not guilty of manslaughter.

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6 minutes ago, MLCKAA said:

He’s been re-indicted.  This is just baffling.  It’s a prop that was handed to him.  He’s not guilty of manslaughter.

Props don't normally fire live rounds.  HTH.

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13 minutes ago, Strike said:

Props don't normally fire live rounds.  HTH.

Exactly