Alec Baldwin killed a woman

[posty 2,725]

Baldwin has tasted blood...  He will go to Chicago and help shoot 200 over a weekend...

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Armorer let’s a live round get into the gun and assistant director hands it to Baldwin and says “cold gun.” I doubt they get Baldwin on this. As producer maybe they hold him liable in a civil trial for hiring incompetents or something.

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Just now, MDC said:

Armorer let’s a live round get into the gun and assistant director hands it to Baldwin and says “cold gun.” I doubt they get Baldwin on this. As producer maybe they hold him liable in a civil trial for hiring incompetents or something.

So  a regular joe on the street can use this same argument and get the same result going forward?

 

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Just now, tubby_mcgee said:

So  a regular joe on the street can use this same argument and get the same result going forward?

 

No, because a regular Joe on the street doesn’t have 2 people tasked with confirming the gun he’s holding isn’t loaded. 

[DonS 3,292]

Just now, MDC said:

Armorer let’s a live round get into the gun and assistant director hands it to Baldwin and says “cold gun.” I doubt they get Baldwin on this. As producer maybe they hold him liable in a civil trial for hiring incompetents or something.

Yeah, definitely more likely to get sued for being a producer on a film with many safety complaints vs facing any criminal charges for pulling the trigger. 

[tubby_mcgee 701]

1 minute ago, MDC said:

No, because a regular Joe on the street doesn’t have 2 people tasked with confirming the gun he’s holding isn’t loaded. 

Why doesn't he?

I've had people hand me a gun and say its not loaded.  That doesn't count?

 

And again.....it's not SOMEONE ELSE's responsibility to NOT point the gun and pull the trigger with a live round in it.  What part about that don't you get? 

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2 minutes ago, tubby_mcgee said:

Why doesn't he?

I've had people hand me a gun and say its not loaded.  That doesn't count?

 

And again.....it's not SOMEONE ELSE's responsibility to NOT point the gun and pull the trigger with a live round in it.  What part about that don't you get? 

I stand by what I said. Short of some kind of conspiracy engineered by Baldwin to kill this person, there is zero chance they get him on any criminal charges. Absolutely none. 

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Damn, it's sooo focking hard for liberals to say that other liberals should take personal responsibility for anything they do wrong.

That is what the left is all about. They are all victims of the orange man bad. Focking wimps.

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3 minutes ago, MDC said:

I stand by what I said. Short of some kind of conspiracy engineered by Baldwin to kill this person, there is zero chance they get him on any criminal charges. Absolutely none. 

  You didn't answer my question.  How hard is it to answer the question?

So again...that will work going forward for anyone?  (If it works for Baldwin, it has to work for the rest of us, right?)

You and EVERYONE on here can already see you're going to lose this argument...either by walking away and refusing to answer or answering, and proving me right.  

Will that argument work for anyone going forward? ("I thought it was unloaded -the guy told me it was unloaded")

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1 minute ago, tubby_mcgee said:

  You didn't answer my question.  How hard is it to answer the question?

So again...that will work going forward for anyone?  (If it works for Baldwin, it has to work for the rest of us, right?)

Correct. Unless you are a conservative. Then you pulled the trigger and you are guilty of murder. 

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3 minutes ago, MDC said:

I stand by what I said. Short of some kind of conspiracy engineered by Baldwin to kill this person, there is zero chance they get him on any criminal charges. Absolutely none. 

Good luck explaining this...I've thrown in the towel.  

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2 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

Good luck explaining this...I've thrown in the towel.  

baldwin would be fine now, and no one would be injured or dead if, ya know, BALDWIN CHECKED THE GUN BEFORE HE SHOT IT AT THE LADY. 

Liberals are so dumb. 

 

[tubby_mcgee 701]

2 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

Good luck explaining this...I've thrown in the towel.  

Then answer my question. 

Will that argument work for anyone going forward? ("I thought it was unloaded -the guy told me it was unloaded")

LOL. We have 2 liberals here....telling us all that we can shoot someone and get off scott free by saying "I doodn't know it be loaded"

[Mike Honcho 5,310]

Just now, Utilit99 said:

baldwin would be fine now, and no one would be injured or dead if, ya know, BALDWIN CHECKED THE GUN BEFORE HE SHOT IT AT THE LADY. 

 

It's funny to you? 

[Mike Honcho 5,310]

Just now, tubby_mcgee said:

Then answer my question. 

Will that argument work for anyone going forward? ("I thought it was unloaded -the guy told me it was unloaded")

Maybe you should get someone to explain "thrown in the towel" means.

[Utilit99 4,099]

4 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

It's funny to you? 

You are funny to me.

baldwin coming out and lambasting a cop for shooting a criminal and making fun of it in a sick way, then doing it himself is funny to me. 

The innocent people getting hurt and/or dying from baldwin's fock up is not funny to me. 

Hence, why I think baldwin should be thrown in the worst prison on the face of the Earth. It will give him time to think about it. 

[tubby_mcgee 701]

LOL... I called it... BOOM.  Exactly as I called it.   Realized you're toast..... walk away.  Thanks, liberal.   MDC threw in the towel also.

I said this....

11 minutes ago, tubby_mcgee said:

 
You and EVERYONE on here can already see you're going to lose this argument...either by walking away and refusing to answer or answering, and proving me right.  

 

 

Then you said this. .

6 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

I've thrown in the towel.  

 

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19 minutes ago, tubby_mcgee said:

  You didn't answer my question.  How hard is it to answer the question?

So again...that will work going forward for anyone?  (If it works for Baldwin, it has to work for the rest of us, right?)

You and EVERYONE on here can already see you're going to lose this argument...either by walking away and refusing to answer or answering, and proving me right.  

Will that argument work for anyone going forward? ("I thought it was unloaded -the guy told me it was unloaded")

When Baldwin isn’t charged maybe you’ll get it. 

But probably not.   

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3 minutes ago, MDC said:

When Baldwin isn’t charged maybe you’ll get it. 

But probably not.   

So can anyone use that excuse "Me didn't know it was loaded"  and get out of it?

I'm not saying Baldwin will be charged.  I'm asking

Can someone else use the same argument and have the same chance of not being charged?  What is your opinion on this?

Why are you having troubles answering?

 

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And funny how its a liberal cheering for a liberal that killed a liberal.   

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If I know liberals like I know liberals....somehow one will end up trying to blame Trump for her murder. 

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If the shooter was a conservative, mdCack's fat face would look like this as he typed his hatred saying the conservative should be put in prison for murder. 

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40 minutes ago, MDC said:

I stand by what I said. Short of some kind of conspiracy engineered by Baldwin to kill this person, there is zero chance they get him on any criminal charges. Absolutely none. 

I don't think he will either because celebrity and stuff.  

No idea how he isn't partially responsible.   Was it an accident?  Yeah. Was it negligent?  Yeah.  The whole set seems to be a sloppy negligent unsafe mess.  He is a producer.   

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15 minutes ago, tubby_mcgee said:

So can anyone use that excuse "Me didn't know it was loaded"  and get out of it?

I'm not saying Baldwin will be charged.  I'm asking

Can someone else use the same argument and have the same chance of not being charged?  What is your opinion on this?

Why are you having troubles answering?

 

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And funny how its a liberal cheering for a liberal that killed a liberal.   

I already answered your question: Unlike everyday life, the movie set has someone who is tasked with confirming that prop guns don’t have live ammo and a second person responsible for confirming that is true before the gun gets to the actor’s hand. That’s why Baldwin won’t be charged here but in the same situation in a different context he would.

You may not like it, but that’s my answer.  

Baldwin is probably a massive Doosh but he probably doesn’t get charged in this. The fact that he was producer and maybe enabled an unsafe set may have kegs though.

[MDC 7,526]

Just now, listen2me 23 said:

I don't think he will either because celebrity and stuff.  

No idea how he isn't partially responsible.   Was it an accident?  Yeah. Was it negligent?  Yeah.  The whole set seems to be a sloppy negligent unsafe mess.  He is a producer.   

Like I said he may be liable as producer. He probably won’t be held liable for pulling the trigger though.

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45 minutes ago, MDC said:

Armorer let’s a live round get into the gun and assistant director hands it to Baldwin and says “cold gun.” I doubt they get Baldwin on this. As producer maybe they hold him liable in a civil trial for hiring incompetents or something.

I guess in the exact scenario and you were Baldwin, you would have no problem holding the gun to your head and pulling the trigger.

‘He won’t get charged because of who he is but this is gross negligence and he should be charged with manslaughter.

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5 minutes ago, MDC said:

I already answered your question: Unlike everyday life, the movie set has someone who is tasked with confirming that prop guns don’t have live ammo and a second person responsible for confirming that is true before the gun gets to the actor’s hand. That’s why Baldwin won’t be charged here but in the same situation in a different context he would.

You may not like it, but that’s my answer.  

Baldwin is probably a massive Doosh but he probably doesn’t get charged in this. The fact that he was producer and maybe enabled an unsafe set may have kegs though.

This is the MO of the left, ‘Blame Someone Else’.

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45 minutes ago, tubby_mcgee said:

Then answer my question. 

Will that argument work for anyone going forward? ("I thought it was unloaded -the guy told me it was unloaded")

LOL. We have 2 liberals here....telling us all that we can shoot someone and get off scott free by saying "I doodn't know it be loaded"

So how did Diick Cheney get off Scott free?

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This is why politics sucks. 

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5 minutes ago, wiffleball said:

So how did Diick Cheney get off Scott free?

Probably had something do with the fact that the guy he shot didn't die and he himself said the shooting was accidental and didn't press charges.

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30 minutes ago, MDC said:

I already answered your question: Unlike everyday life, the movie set has someone who is tasked with confirming that prop guns don’t have live ammo and a second person responsible for confirming that is true before the gun gets to the actor’s hand. That’s why Baldwin won’t be charged here but in the same situation in a different context he would.

You may not like it, but that’s my answer.  

Baldwin is probably a massive Doosh but he probably doesn’t get charged in this. The fact that he was producer and maybe enabled an unsafe set may have kegs though.

 

So if someone hands me a gun, says "Not loaded" and I point at someone, pull the trigger, and kill a third party --- it's not my fault -- at least as far as you are concerned? 

OR you're saying he  had "people" verifying it wasn't loaded and my person/people handing me the gun doesn't qualify as a "people" the same way his "people" qualify as "people" ?

 

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55 minutes ago, tubby_mcgee said:

that killed a liberal.   

Link?

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Just now, posty said:

Link?

I think it's assumed because she was an unqualified woman.

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5 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I think it's assumed because she was an unqualified woman.

The woman killed wasn't necessarily unqualified, aside from not being able to pull off the Neo bullet dodge move.  The nervous "head armorer" definitely was unqualified.

[MDC 7,526]

13 minutes ago, tubby_mcgee said:

 

So if someone hands me a gun, says "Not loaded" and I point at someone, pull the trigger, and kill a third party --- it's not my fault -- at least as far as you are concerned? 

OR you're saying he  had "people" verifying it wasn't loaded and my person/people handing me the gun doesn't qualify as a "people" the same way his "people" qualify as "people" ?

 

Yes, having someone paid on set to confirm that the prop gun wasn’t loaded makes him less responsible than it this happened out on the street somewhere and a friend handed him a firearm and said “not loaded.” 

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1 minute ago, DonS said:

The woman killed wasn't necessarily unqualified, aside from not being able to pull off the Neo bullet dodge move.  The nervous "head armorer" definitely was unqualified.

Gotchya, thanks.

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1 minute ago, MDC said:

Yes, having someone paid on set to confirm that the prop gun wasn’t loaded makes him less responsible than it this happened out on the street somewhere and a friend handed him a firearm and said “not loaded.” 

So that's it.  Paid.

If I pay someone to make sure its unloaded.... like...if I own a gun store...and I pay employees to make sure the guns aren't loaded... then I pick one up, point at 3rd party, and it fires a live round and kills them -- I won't be charged -- according to you?

Is this correct or are we going to circle back a bit towards the fact he's "hollywood material" -- now keep in mind...you said...he had a guy paid to confirm it.    So if I pay someone to confirm it, they are at fault, not me, for me pulling the trigger and sending a live round through someone. 

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One lib in this thread threw in the towel and smartly ran away. The other one is so used to getting beat up in life he just keeps up the same narrative even though he looks like and idiot and keeps taking all the punches. 

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9 minutes ago, DonS said:

The woman killed wasn't necessarily unqualified, aside from not being able to pull off the Neo bullet dodge move.  The nervous "head armorer" definitely was unqualified.

It doesn't have anything to do with her being unqualified, IMO. 

She was behind the camera and the director was right next to her. It was a rehearsal shot; they were standing next to each other because in the scene, Baldwin points the gun at the camera and fires. 

They have a couple of check points; the head prop/armorer on site who checks the items and the asst director. The asst director handed Baldwin the gun saying, "Cold gun" or whatever. Baldwin goes to rehearse his shot and fires the gun. 

It hit her in the stomach, and wounded the director. 

From what I've heard, they have had issues with the Asst Director before, Dave Halls. He has been known to not check items for safety (there was a pyro incident in 2019) and he's allegedly been violent with others and maybe sexually assulted someone.  

I also read somewhere that with all the union issues, safety on various sets has been lacking. 

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Fox News:

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It is uncontested that Baldwin fired a prop gun that killed Hutchins and wounded director Joel Souza. According to reports, Baldwin was handed the firearm by an assistant director who stated aloud that it was a "cold gun," meaning that it did not contain a live bullet round but a blank cartridge casing that simulates both the sound and visual image of a real gun when fired. According to details of the police investigation, the weapon was loaded with a live round.  

If it is true that Baldwin had no idea there was an actual bullet or other projectile in the gun, he would not be charged with the crime of murder because he had no intent to kill as the law requires. But that does not mean that the actor could not face a lesser charge of involuntary manslaughter – otherwise known as criminally negligent homicide.  

Under New Mexico law this is defined as a death caused by the failure to exercise "due caution." In other words, while it might have been an accident in the conventional sense, Baldwin could still be prosecuted and convicted upon a showing that he was reckless or grossly negligent.  

If Baldwin was merely a hired actor who simply followed directions on the set by relying on the assurance of the assistant director, there would be insufficient evidence to support an involuntary manslaughter charge against him. He would not be culpable at all under the law. But this was not the case during the shooting of the film.  

Baldwin served as an on-location producer for the movie. The terms of his contract are not known.  

Nevertheless, his additional role may have imposed upon him an affirmative duty of supervision for many aspects of the production, including some responsibility for the safety of the crew.  

 

This is the point I've been making---as an actor, he probably faces no culpability, as a producer there are different issues, since he is responsible for more of the production.

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8 minutes ago, tubby_mcgee said:

So that's it.  Paid.

If I pay someone to make sure its unloaded.... like...if I own a gun store...and I pay employees to make sure the guns aren't loaded... then I pick one up, point at 3rd party, and it fires a live round and kills them -- I won't be charged -- according to you?

Is this correct or are we going to circle back a bit towards the fact he's "hollywood material" -- now keep in mind...you said...he had a guy paid to confirm it.    So if I pay someone to confirm it, they are at fault, not me, for me pulling the trigger and sending a live round through someone. 

If you walked into a gun shop, the owner handed you a gun and said “not loaded”, you pulled the trigger and someone died, I imagine most of the legal responsibility would fall on the person who handed you the gun, yes. 

I’m not a fake lawyer but my gut tells me that’s how this plays out.