Climate change nerd schooled by Jordan Peterson

[JustinCharge 2,397]

11 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

 

I can just imagine Masshole/Utilit99/Hardcore Dummy sitting in their basements listening to this dope going "Yup...another salient* point from this smart guy. I'm gonna grab my crayons and write him a letter of praise."

 

*because I know those three guys are not well read considering they think this guy is some brainiac.....salient means "the most noteworthy or important point of something."

I read the small font in Joe Biden's voice when he leans into the mic and whispers.

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

36 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

I know you’re not as well read as I am and most certainly not as well read as Jordan Peterson 

Whatever helps you get through the day champ

[Fireballer 2,642]

Theyve done the same thing with the word "climate" as they've done with "systemic racism".  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,427]

35 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Theyve done the same thing with the word "climate" as they've done with "systemic racism".  

When requiring someone to have an ID to vote is considered systemic racism, then systemic racism isn’t real 

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

39 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Theyve done the same thing with the word "climate" as they've done with "systemic racism".  

Who is "they"? Scientists studying climate change.

 

Guys I'm trying to give you all some credit. Don't just think someone like Jordan Peterson is smarter than you because they say a lot of words that employ circular or stupid reasoning. The guy was a benzo addict essentially stemming from an all meat diet and didn't want to confront withdrawals so he went to Siberia to get put into  medically induced coma. He's a total nutbar.

[Utilit99 4,099]

10 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

Whatever helps you get through the day champ

Oh boy, that'll get him. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,427]

12 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Who is "they"? Scientists studying climate change.

 

Guys I'm trying to give you all some credit. Don't just think someone like Jordan Peterson is smarter than you because they say a lot of words that employ circular or stupid reasoning. The guy was a benzo addict essentially stemming from an all meat diet and didn't want to confront withdrawals so he went to Siberia to get put into  medically induced coma. He's a total nutbar.

So you’re under the impression that it took Jordan Peterson, in a recent interview, to bring about skepticism as far as climate change goes? He’s the one that opened peoples eyes? Your analysis is simple and inaccurate. 

[Utilit99 4,099]

59 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Theyve done the same thing with the word "climate" as they've done with "systemic racism".  

The first words out of liberal's mouths is not 'Mama', or 'Daddy'.

They say one or more of the below list:

"Trump!!!"

"Racist!!"

"Misogynist!!!"

"Climate Change" 

"Bigot!!!"

"I go by he/she!!! I'll figure it out maybe when my mom starts giving me drugs."

 

And the parents are so happy they cry and say, "Awww, it's a chip off the old block. Let's call it Rusty or even Mooney." 

And then that's it for life. They learn nothing else. Ever.

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,427]

The first time Jordan Peterson was mentioned here was 2018. Climate change has been discussed here since 2006. But yeah Mooney, everyone is just parroting Jordan Peterson. Simple lashing out by a leftist as usual, attacking the source instead of the points that are brought up. It’s just the way they operate. Someone can say “I don’t want CRT being taught in public schools” and instead of defending it and saying why it’s necessary, they just claim racism and move on. Or better yet, deny its being introduced into schools using some semantic defense. They really are simple creatures, all reading from the same playbook. 

[RLLD 4,230]

If I were a liberal I would not take on Peterson, I have yet to see one accomplish the mission of beating him down.

The man is built of more than solid logic, he is an encyclopedia of research. He spends weeks and months thinking about something before he ever forms an opinion.

The problem for him is that he opinions are based purely on fact and logic, and liberals think mostly about feelings and hate facts.

I have seen a liberal or two do well against like Shapiro....but Peterson.....this guy can take on four or five at one time and show them all how stupid they are.....its focking magical.....

God bless him, and I mean that so emphatically.....I bought his book and am having my son read it......he reminds me of Ayn Rand before she got old.

[Baker Boy 1,699]

12 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

Those three using crayons to write letters after listening to him? Yes, absolutely true.

 

The rest of what you are saying here is just mindless drivel.

And you have no idea how well read I am. 

It is very obvious that you are an Archie comic fan.

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

53 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

The first time Jordan Peterson was mentioned here was 2018. Climate change has been discussed here since 2006. But yeah Mooney, everyone is just parroting Jordan Peterson. Simple lashing out by a leftist as usual, attacking the source instead of the points that are brought up. It’s just the way they operate. Someone can say “I don’t want CRT being taught in public schools” and instead of defending it and saying why it’s necessary, they just claim racism and move on. Or better yet, deny its being introduced into schools using some semantic defense. They really are simple creatures, all reading from the same playbook. 

One time I will respond to you and see if you have anything coherent to add. When you don't I will go back to just scrolling past your nonsense. 

Where did I ever say, or imply, that Jordan Peterson is the first one to throw speculation at climate change? 

Again- I'm trying to give your dopey a$$ credit and say you guys should be smarter than this. Peterson uses a lot of specious reasoning to make his point. The response here from so many is "Oh, man. That guy reads a lot. Must be smarter than me." The response should be, "Hey dude- just because you say a lot of words does not make you accurate. Especially when those words just go in circles the entire time and are essentially boiling down to dumb arguments." Hell, the guy went from "climate is the same as everything" to "more people die from solar because they fall off the roof installing it and that shows that bad things happen even with good intentions." And maybe you want to backslap him for that but here's the reality- he is being very simplistic, in fact far too simplistic about stuff while bemoaning that "climate science is far too encompassing." He is flat out wrong. Just wrong in every single way. And he doesn't understand the difference between weather predicting and climate predicting. I'm not a scientist, or an expert, so maybe you don't believe me but:

 

Dr. Sarah Perkins-Kirkpatrick is:

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While weather forecasts do become less accurate the further out they go, this was a different process to climate modelling.

“He seems to think we model the future climate the same way we do the weather. He sounds intelligent, but he’s completely wrong.

 

 

and Dr. Gavin Schmidt of NASA is:
 

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“Peterson has managed to absorb the first part of George Box’s famous dictum that ‘all models are wrong’ but appears to have not worked out the second part ‘but some are useful’,”

 

and Professor Steve Sherwood is:

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“making the ancient climate sceptic error of mixing up weather and climate”.

“Anyone who has taken an introductory course in climate or atmospheric science would spot this problem,” he said. “Errors in a weather forecast indeed accumulate such that after a couple of weeks the forecast is useless.”

But with climate, Sherwood said, the models work differently to project how the climate will respond to different factors, such as higher levels of CO2.

“[Peterson’s] argument is like saying we can’t predict whether a pot of water on a flame will boil, because we decide in advance what variables to put in our model, and can’t predict each bubble.”

 

 

and Professor Michael Mann is:

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Peterson’s claim that the climate was too complicated showed “a total lack of understanding of how science works” and could be used to dismiss physics, chemistry, biology, “and every other field of science where one formulates conceptual models”, according to Mann.

“Every great discovery in science – including the physics that allowed Peterson and Rogan to record and broadcast their ridiculous conversation – has arisen through that process,” 

 

 

Peterson has read a lot of books. No doubt. But that does not inherently make him smart. He is a higher education thinker he has contorted his views to fit into a narrative that makes him money. He spewed so much drivel his stuff was re-evaluated to account for factors he conveniently left out. He has gradually lost his mind and you can see that over the course of his works and time in the spotlight. 

 

As to "not attacking the points"- not everyone has points worth attacking because they come from a place of stupidity. What he says isn't valid because the conclusion is absurd or his means to get there is absurd. If you say something to someone that is valid and they respond with something out of left field the onus is not on you "to prove them wrong." The onus is on them to prove themselves correct. If Peterson is going to say what he did- he needs to show that and prove it. 

 

And your CRT loose connection is equally silly. 

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

40 minutes ago, RLLD said:

If I were a liberal I would not take on Peterson, I have yet to see one accomplish the mission of beating him down.

The man is built of more than solid logic, he is an encyclopedia of research. He spends weeks and months thinking about something before he ever forms an opinion.

The problem for him is that he opinions are based purely on fact and logic, and liberals think mostly about feelings and hate facts.

I have seen a liberal or two do well against like Shapiro....but Peterson.....this guy can take on four or five at one time and show them all how stupid they are.....its focking magical.....

God bless him, and I mean that so emphatically.....I bought his book and am having my son read it......he reminds me of Ayn Rand before she got old.

Building arguments out of strawmen and specious reasoning is not "fact and logic" and it isn't outsmarting people. It is setting up a scenario where there is no rebuttal because of how ridiculous the original comment is. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,427]

Peterson’s analogy of guys falling off roofs appears to be simplistic. Of course the fact that someone could die installing solar shouldn’t be a reason not to do it. But my interpretation of it is that he was speaking about the fact that there is a down side to everything, but anyone advocating for their side never mentions it. And my CRT observation is spot on. If you don’t want it, you are branded a racist. That’s just the truth. 

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

16 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Peterson’s analogy of guys falling off roofs appears to be simplistic. Of course the fact that someone could die installing solar shouldn’t be a reason not to do it. But my interpretation of it is that he was speaking about the fact that there is a down side to everything, but anyone advocating for their side never mentions it. And my CRT observation is spot on. If you don’t want it, you are branded a racist. That’s just the truth. 

1.) There was no hint of irony in what he was saying and of course people know there are downsides to everything but his connective thread was dumb.

2.) And that is absolutely not the case with people who don't want CRT.

[RLLD 4,230]

50 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Building arguments out of strawmen and specious reasoning is not "fact and logic" and it isn't outsmarting people. It is setting up a scenario where there is no rebuttal because of how ridiculous the original comment is. 

Yeah, that is not a bad tactic, but does not work against him.  He does not fall for that.  When someone tries the old "strawman" gambit he quickly shuts that down.

He can be frustrating because every time some liberal tries to label him or reframe his position as being evil, he shuts it down rather quickly.

There are much easier targets out there for liberals to challenge. This is not the one......

[edjr 6,582]

50 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Peterson’s analogy of guys falling off roofs appears to be simplistic. Of course the fact that someone could die installing solar shouldn’t be a reason not to do it. But my interpretation of it is that he was speaking about the fact that there is a down side to everything, but anyone advocating for their side never mentions it. And my CRT observation is spot on. If you don’t want it, you are branded a racist. That’s just the truth. 

Everyone should listen to JP.  What he says about shrinking masculinity in men is so spot on. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,427]

33 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

1.) There was no hint of irony in what he was saying and of course people know there are downsides to everything but his connective thread was dumb.

2.) And that is absolutely not the case with people who don't want CRT.

What isn’t the case with people that don’t want CRT? Are you saying they aren’t branded racist? 

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

46 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Yeah, that is not a bad tactic, but does not work against him.  He does not fall for that.  When someone tries the old "strawman" gambit he quickly shuts that down.

He can be frustrating because every time some liberal tries to label him or reframe his position as being evil, he shuts it down rather quickly.

There are much easier targets out there for liberals to challenge. This is not the one......

Building arguments out of strawmen does not make one smart. It makes them intellectually dishonest. 

37 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

What isn’t the case with people that don’t want CRT? Are you saying they aren’t branded racist? 

Yeah they aren't. They are branded as not understanding what CRT is. There are people that go too far into racist territory with CRT. And there are plenty of people hiding behind "thoughts on CRT" as a means of not showing their racism. 

[edjr 6,582]

is Sean Mooney really Chris Cuomo? 

[Herbivore 1,134]

funny to this Peterson stuff this morning. he might be losing his mind. intetesting thinker though.

[nobody 2,672]

2 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

Dr. Sarah Perkins-Kirkpatrick is:

 

and Dr. Gavin Schmidt of NASA is:
 

 

and Professor Steve Sherwood is:

 

and Professor Michael Mann is:

Climatologists are the chiropractors of the scientific world.  

[TimmySmith 2,782]

21 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Building arguments out of strawmen does not make one smart. It makes them intellectually dishonest. 

Intellectually dishonest is claiming they are strawmen, when they are not.  

[Mike Honcho 5,270]

 

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

2 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

Intellectually dishonest is claiming they are strawmen, when they are not.  

Not true...but nice try. At least you learned some new words. 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,348]

13 minutes ago, Herbivore said:

funny to this Peterson stuff this morning. he might be losing his mind. intetesting thinker though.

most of history's great thinkers teeter on the edge of insanty

 

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

1 minute ago, Mike Honcho said:

 

Yeah but climate means everything...and Jordan Peterson is apparently some uber genius.

 

Especially so if you are a dolt. 

[Utilit99 4,099]

5 minutes ago, TimmySmith said:

Intellectually dishonest is claiming they are strawmen, when they are not.  

Liberals who try to pick apart other people's arguments and know they can't,  love the word 'strawman'. 

Talk about "word salad".  

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

Just now, Utilit99 said:

Liberals who try to pick apart arguments they can't win love the word 'strawman'. 

Talk about "word salad".  

See- here came dopey to defend Peterson. 

Did your crayons wear down to nubs?

[Utilit99 4,099]

Just now, Sean Mooney said:

See- here came dopey to defend Peterson. 

Did your crayons wear down to nubs?

And now the liberals show up to put down Peterson when they don't even have the IQ to understand his vocabulary.

Did your crayons wear down to the nubs?

[TimmySmith 2,782]

22 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

Liberals who try to pick apart arguments they can't win love the word 'strawman'. 

Talk about "word salad".  

They are also ashamed at the obvious lib agenda, so they refuse to accept that it exists.  Therefore, everything is a strawman. BLM riots, strawman. Trannys in bathrooms, strawman. CRT taught in schools, strawman. Woman's rights over men's, strawman.  Democrats fostering illegal immigration, strawman.

[RLLD 4,230]

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30 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Building arguments out of strawmen does not make one smart. It makes them intellectually dishonest. 

While I do not concur with everything he asserts, I do acquiesce that he brings forth solid arguments. 

I surmise that if he said things you agreed with, you would likely not try to disparage him with false assertions.

I frequently disagree with people like Schumer, Pelosi and others......because I think their ideas do not work. I do not hate them because i disagree with them. That is a liberal trait, I see you exhibiting that trait. 

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

Just now, RLLD said:

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While I do not concur with everything he asserts, I do acquiesce that he brings forth solid arguments. 

I surmise that if he said things you agreed with, you would likely not try to disparage him with false assertions.

I frequently disagree with people like Schumer, Pelosi and others......because I think their ideas do not work. I do not hate them because i disagree with them. That is a liberal trait, I see you exhibiting that trait. 

I don't hate Peterson. I don't know him and it would be dumb to hate someone I don't know.

But I don't find him to be some superior intellectual being. He is someone who strings a lot of words together to prove points that are either untrue or don't exist. People hear it and think "He is super smart." He isn't.

And no- agreeing with me does not mean I praise you. The argument being presented is what I care about. If he agreed with me on something but was arriving at it from a dishonest position I would absolutely disparage him with accurate assertions. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,427]

Pollution and overpopulation are the biggest contributors to an unhealthy environment.  We should concentrate on those things instead of proclaiming the end is near.  But then a lot of grants would dry up for the climate change crowd. Amongst other nonsense like electric cars for the masses. Let me know what’s being used to power those cars and then maybe I’ll listen. 

[nobody 2,672]

The real problem with Peterson's argument is that he didn't properly lay the foundation for his premise that Climate Change activists claim that Climate = everything.

Obviously, what he's saying is that climate change activists are claiming that everything we do effects the climate.  This may or may not be true, but if you're going to assert that, you need to support it and provide that context.  Otherwise, you're just Giants Fan spouting what looks like nonsense because you assume everyone already knows what you're talking about.

Another problem is even if the assertion is true that climate change activists and climatologists claim that everything we do has an impact on the environment, that can be true, and the models can still be accurate (they're not, but let's pretend).  Even though there are several billion variables that will have some effect on the environment, you really only have to model the dominant variables.

He's reached the right conclusions, I just don't agree with the way he got there. 

I tend to agree that, Mr. Peterson gets more credit than he deserves for being an elite intellect.  I think his delivery, confidence in his opinion, and ability to argue are far more effective at persuasion and winning arguments than his actual ideas.  He uses a lot of language that confuses people, and usually people are too embarrassed to challenge someone when they're not quite sure what the person is saying.

 

[Baker Boy 1,699]

7 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Pollution and overpopulation are the biggest contributors to an unhealthy environment.  We should concentrate on those things instead of proclaiming the end is near.  But then a lot of grants would dry up for the climate change crowd. Amongst other nonsense like electric cars for the masses. Let me know what’s being used to power those cars and then maybe I’ll listen. 

Correct, it is an evolution not a revolution. We were doing just fine before they hatched up this power grabbing money making scheme.

[Herbivore 1,134]

14 minutes ago, RLLD said:

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While I do not concur with everything he asserts, I do acquiesce that he brings forth solid arguments. 

I surmise that if he said things you agreed with, you would likely not try to disparage him with false assertions.

I frequently disagree with people like Schumer, Pelosi and others......because I think their ideas do not work. I do not hate them because i disagree with them. That is a liberal trait, I see you exhibiting that trait. 

that is one of the problems with you. there many examples daily here on this site of righties hating lefties. you saying its a lefty trait is downright stupid.

[edjr 6,582]

2 minutes ago, Herbivore said:

that is one of the problems with you. there many examples daily here on this site of righties hating lefties. you saying its a lefty trait is downright stupid.

Fact

[nobody 2,672]

By the way, the pandemic response is a great test case for our current proposed solutions by climate change activists.  

We took half-assed data and terrible models and then politicized a shotgun response, and the result of that was a bunch of ineffective solutions to a problem that probably made the problem only marginally better.  The difference is no one is working on a climate change vaccine.  It's just all half-assed shotgun solutions that have as big of a chance of blowing up in our face than actually solving the problem.

[RLLD 4,230]

3 minutes ago, Herbivore said:

that is one of the problems with you. there many examples daily here on this site of righties hating lefties. you saying its a lefty trait is downright stupid.

The action of labelled people, portraying them as evil because of what they believe, is almost exclusively a weapon of liberals.

We can agree to disagree on this point of course.

But so long as liberals continue to label people who oppose them ideologically as racists......misogynists......transphobic and portray actions as "white supremacy" then it will continue to create division.

The absolutism that exists in liberals today is totalitarian.