Why would anyone become a teacher now?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,457]

They can’t 

[TBayXXXVII 2,548]

25 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I agree with that but I don't think this is the way to do it.  I just see it making everything worse and creating an even bigger divide. 

I'm curious how many schools are actually focusing on a strong liberal agenda that conservatives feel this needs to be done?

I think people are seeing what's happening in VA, NY, and CA and don't want that to happen in their state.  I'm guessing that they're being proactive.

[MDC 7,447]

28 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I agree with that but I don't think this is the way to do it.  I just see it making everything worse and creating an even bigger divide. 

I'm curious how many schools are actually focusing on a strong liberal agenda that conservatives feel this needs to be done?

I don’t trust these Trumper Karens to know the difference between legitimate discussion of race in school versus “critical race theory” or whatever their latest boogeyman is. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,548]

3 minutes ago, MDC said:

I don’t trust these Trumper Karens to know the difference between legitimate discussion of race in school versus “critical race theory” or whatever their latest boogeyman is. 

LOL, irony at it's best.

[RLLD 4,234]

19 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said:

There aren't many people leaving teaching jobs, there's a reduction in the number of people entering the field.  Big difference.  The only staffing issues now are covid-based, not system/job based.  I'm sure there's a percentage that leave, but it's not higher than any other profession.  In fact, without knowing the data, I'm willing to bet that the number of teacher who "voluntarily" left the profession (pre-covid), is substantially lower than any other professional discipline.

We can agree to disagree, its a problem in most areas around DELMARVA, and you cannot really find substitutes anymore, its a big problem.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,457]

44 minutes ago, MDC said:

I don’t trust these Trumper Karens to know the difference between legitimate discussion of race in school versus “critical race theory” or whatever their latest boogeyman is. 

Riiiight, because no one was taught about slavery and Jim Crow etc before. American students have just been oblivious to what went on in our past and the CRT pimps are here to set the record straight. You better get your kid back into a public school so he doesn’t miss out.   

[edjr 6,598]

Union 

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

18 hours ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I can't imagine you actually know a teacher personally based on the info you keep giving.  I hope it's that we just have different experiences with teachers and the teachers in your area do very little based on what you're saying.

He doesn't know any teachers. He is just spewing nonsense and calling it fact. 

[Hawkeye21 2,399]

Just now, Sean Mooney said:

He doesn't know any teachers. He is just spewing nonsense and calling it fact. 

It sure doesn't seem like he knows any.  Most people who share his opinions know very little about the profession.

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

It sure doesn't seem like he knows any.  Most people who share his opinions know very little about the profession.

It's clear he knows nothing. People like him expose that they have a very limited worldview- colored by manipulated information- the more they talk. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,548]

32 minutes ago, RLLD said:

We can agree to disagree, its a problem in most areas around DELMARVA, and you cannot really find substitutes anymore, its a big problem.

That's post-covid, not pre-covid.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,457]

3 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

It's clear he knows nothing. People like him expose that they have a very limited worldview- colored by manipulated information- the more they talk. 

You’re failing at ignoring me. Now go look up the definition of ignore and write it 100x on the blackboard, when you are done posting here from the teachers lounge during one of your four breaks today. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,457]

9 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

It sure doesn't seem like he knows any.  Most people who share his opinions know very little about the profession.

First off, I know my kids teachers. In my close circle of friends there are two principals and many other teachers. My SIL and BIL are teachers. My 12 team 30 year fantasy league has 5 teachers. The difference is they are honest and a little older than kids like Mooney and haven’t been given a degree for agreeing with their professors. I also worked at a public school.  So once again, your assumptions are wrong.  Keep up the good work. 

[Hawkeye21 2,399]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

First off, I know my kids teachers. In my close circle of friends there are two principals and many other teachers. My SIL and BIL are teachers. My 12 team 30 year fantasy league has 5 teachers. The difference is they are honest and a little older than kids like Mooney and haven’t been given a degree for agreeing with their professors. 

I find it hard to believe any of this.  That, or your teacher friends are terrible at their jobs and brag about how little they do.  Maybe the quality of teachers in Iowa is just better otherwise?

I agree with all of you about there needing to be a change with our education system and there is no room for teachers pushing any kind of personal agenda in their classrooms.  This is not the way to do it though.  Are you in favor of parents being able to opt out of any part of the curriculum and force the teacher to prepare a different plan for that child?

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

3 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I find it hard to believe any of this.  That, or your teacher friends are terrible at their jobs and brag about how little they do.  Maybe the quality of teachers in Iowa is just better otherwise?

I agree with all of you about there needing to be a change with our education system and there is no room for teachers pushing any kind of personal agenda in their classrooms.  This is not the way to do it though.  Are you in favor of parents being able to opt out of any part of the curriculum and force the teacher to prepare a different plan for that child?

He doesn't know any teachers either and he didn't work in a school. Probably isn't allowed within 100 feet of one.

And yes- there are problems with the education system but the things people think are problems are not, and they distract from very legitimate issues that need to, and should, be addressed

[RLLD 4,234]

2 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

He doesn't know any teachers either and he didn't work in a school. Probably isn't allowed within 100 feet of one.

And yes- there are problems with the education system but the things people think are problems are not, and they distract from very legitimate issues that need to, and should, be addressed

No system is perfect and the educational system is not immune to issues. it is imperfect.

The diversity of outcomes has little to do with funding, or even teachers, and everything to do with culture

[Hardcore troubadour 15,457]

2 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

He doesn't know any teachers either and he didn't work in a school. Probably isn't allowed within 100 feet of one.

And yes- there are problems with the education system but the things people think are problems are not, and they distract from very legitimate issues that need to, and should, be addressed

Let’s here the legitimate issues then. Bet you won’t. 

[Utilit99 4,099]

3 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

He doesn't know any teachers either and he didn't work in a school. Probably isn't allowed within 100 feet of one.

Wow. You're on fire today. You just keep sending out the zingers. Raarrr. 

Who's a big boy. You're a big boy. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,457]

8 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I find it hard to believe any of this.  That, or your teacher friends are terrible at their jobs and brag about how little they do.  Maybe the quality of teachers in Iowa is just better otherwise?

I agree with all of you about there needing to be a change with our education system and there is no room for teachers pushing any kind of personal agenda in their classrooms.  This is not the way to do it though.  Are you in favor of parents being able to opt out of any part of the curriculum and force the teacher to prepare a different plan for that child?

 No, they complain about how focked up public education is. When I told them I was pulling my kids out they all said good. 

[Hawkeye21 2,399]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

 No, they complain about how focked up public education is. When I told them I was pulling my kids out they all said good. 

Do you think they would be in favor of these proposed changes?

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

No system is perfect and the educational system is not immune to issues. it is imperfect.

The diversity of outcomes has little to do with funding, or even teachers, and everything to do with culture

Culture is part of the issue in some areas, and some of that is outside of the teacher's hands. It's unfortunate because as time has progressed what we are asking of schools is getting greater while the support is shrinking.

My only problem with charter schools- or the voucher system as it is laid out- is that it won't solve those cultural issues. It will create different ones and just shift problems to other areas. Which again is why I said in theory it looks good but the practice or execution doesn't work. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,457]

The untied states has fallen to 27th in the world in education. Do I need to know a teacher to be aware of that? Why do colleges and universities have to import students from other countries to maintain a decent GPA in stem courses? We’re doing great in gender studies and every other BS courses that are taught. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,457]

2 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Do you think they would be in favor of these proposed changes?

I saw the Nazi part and I stopped reading. So I wouldn’t even bring it up. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,457]

3 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Culture is part of the issue in some areas, and some of that is outside of the teacher's hands. It's unfortunate because as time has progressed what we are asking of schools is getting greater while the support is shrinking.

My only problem with charter schools- or the voucher system as it is laid out- is that it won't solve those cultural issues. It will create different ones and just shift problems to other areas. Which again is why I said in theory it looks good but the practice or execution doesn't work. 

When you say culture I’ll go ahead and say you mean shitty parents. You should have the balls to say it. I took care of it for you though. When I say culture I mean shitty parents and the woke agenda and the lack of discipline.  

[Hawkeye21 2,399]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

I saw the Nazi part and I stopped reading. So I wouldn’t even bring it up. 

That sounds about right from you.  You have zero intent on having a serious conversation about this.  I can't imagine your teacher friends would be in favor of any of this.  If you think the Nazi part was made up, then you should do a little research about it.  The Senator already had to walk back what he wrote in the bill and say he wasn't clear.

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

7 minutes ago, Utilit99 said:

Wow. You're on fire today. You just keep sending out the zingers. Raarrr. 

Who's a big boy. You're a big boy. 

[RLLD 4,234]

5 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Culture is part of the issue in some areas, and some of that is outside of the teacher's hands. It's unfortunate because as time has progressed what we are asking of schools is getting greater while the support is shrinking.

My only problem with charter schools- or the voucher system as it is laid out- is that it won't solve those cultural issues. It will create different ones and just shift problems to other areas. Which again is why I said in theory it looks good but the practice or execution doesn't work. 

I see your point. It might not be perfect. But I think it could be better.

Given the choice of schools parents have some power, some ability to leverage the funding to compel schools to compete for their kids.  Through competition people tend to improve. 

JMHO

[Hawkeye21 2,399]

Here's some more on it.

https://indianacitizen.org/senate-committee-hears-conflicting-testimony-over-who-should-control-school-curriculum/

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

That sounds about right from you.  You have zero intent on having a serious conversation about this.  I can't imagine your teacher friends would be in favor of any of this.  If you think the Nazi part was made up, then you should do a little research about it.  The Senator already had to walk back what he wrote in the bill and say he wasn't clear.

See this is why I tried to even stop engaging with him. He doesn't argue in good faith, and is just coming from such an uninformed POV it isn't even worth entertaining. I mean he is outright telling you he wouldn't bring it up which of course underscores he isn't willing to have a discussion of bad faith policies. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,457]

2 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

That sounds about right from you.  You have zero intent on having a serious conversation about this.  I can't imagine your teacher friends would be in favor of any of this.  If you think the Nazi part was made up, then you should do a little research about it.  The Senator already had to walk back what he wrote in the bill and say he wasn't clear.

I don’t think it’s made up you idiot. It’s right there in the proposal. So why would I care to read any further about it? Some things are easy to dismiss. I dismissed it. But you insist on telling me what I think. Don’t. 

[Hawkeye21 2,399]

Just now, RLLD said:

I see your point. It might not be perfect. But I think it could be better.

Given the choice of schools parents have some power, some ability to leverage the funding to compel schools to compete for their kids.  Through competition people tend to improve. 

JMHO

I think parents have the power.  They can join their school boards.  They shouldn't have an individual effect on what is being taught in the classroom for just their child.

[Utilit99 4,099]

2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I see your point. It might not be perfect. But I think it could be better.

Given the choice of schools parents have some power, some ability to leverage the funding to compel schools to compete for their kids.  Through competition people tend to improve. 

JMHO

Goods and services improve for sure. 100%

[Hawkeye21 2,399]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I don’t think it’s made up you idiot. It’s right there in the proposal. So why would I care to read any further about it? Some things are easy to dismiss. 

How are you dismissing it?  It's obvious you know jack shite about anything on this topic.  You can't have an honest conversation about this.

[MDC 7,447]

21 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I find it hard to believe any of this. 

Always a safe assumption with Tardcore. He’s the Times Square of forearm liars. And welchers.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,457]

Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

How are you dismissing it?  It's obvious you know jack shite about anything on this topic.  You can't have an honest conversation about this.

I know it said Nazis shouldn’t be cast as immoral. See, that’s where I stop. The rest of it doesn’t matter after that. 

[Gladiators 1,992]

2 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said:

 

Let's be honest about this.  The reason this bill is being introduced is to protect conservatives against the liberal education agenda... not rewrite the curriculum.  Normal people just want their kids to be taught the essentials.

I think you 100% nailed it with this post.  Hawkeye thinks every parent is going to be requesting special curriculum for their child.  That's not going to happen.  Will there be a couple?  Sure.  The district can figure out how to handle those situations relatively easily.

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I see your point. It might not be perfect. But I think it could be better.

Given the choice of schools parents have some power, some ability to leverage the funding to compel schools to compete for their kids.  Through competition people tend to improve. 

JMHO

There are a lot of factors that would have to be figured out. How is bussing working to places? Is there a limit to how far people can go? For example, can a person go to a school an hour away because it is the closest "good" school to them. Also, are they going to provide funding for people to close financial gaps? I mean a poor family is still not necessarily going to be able to send their kid to some high priced school so they are not changing their scenario any. 

And in some respects parents do have choice in a lot of areas in that they can put their kids in a charter or cyber school that operates as a public school and uses public dollars from school taxes. 

[Utilit99 4,099]

If I young child these days and was in a school district with woke culture in the schools, I would do one of two things. Move to an area with a better school system. Or, get a personal tutor to teach my kid. First I would reach out to other parents in the area with same aged kids to see if they would like to share the costs and have group learning with the hired tutor/teacher. 

[Strike 5,556]

As noted early in this thread the answer is school choice.  In most, jurisdictions, if not all, school funding is tied to enrollment.  IOW, a school gets x amount of money per student.  Well, the answer is to tie the money to the student and not the school.  Then the student and his/her parents can decide which school actually gets that money.  For Hawekeye, who says some people don't have a lot of choice with regards to schools, that's ok.  The money can still be used to send kids to the same school they would attend absent school choice so nothing changes for them.  But most kids would have that choice and could go to the school their family deems best for that child.  This seems like such a simple, elegant solution.  I can't really see why anyone would oppose it other than having an agenda that doesn't include doing what's best for the children.  To those people I would implore you - THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

1 minute ago, Gladiators said:

I think you 100% nailed it with this post.  Hawkeye thinks every parent is going to be requesting special curriculum for their child.  That's not going to happen.  Will there be a couple?  Sure.  The district can figure out how to handle those situations relatively easily.

Problem is this movement is funded and organized by very politically motivated groups..They will continually push to enable parents to get involved. 

Also, how does a school handle it when one kid in the class has one set of rules and another kid has another when it comes to content?