Ukraine - Doomsday

[IGotWorms 4,057]

21 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Because he did before the neo cons showed up? You remember them. They didn’t go away after Bush, FYI.  Now you like them. And think they got this right. Weird. 

I think what’s weird is defending our enemy for invading our ally. In fact, it’s downright un-American   

[Pimpadeaux 2,405]

44 minutes ago, MDC said:

You must hate blown predictions.  

I didn't say anything that I haven't said before. I've said myriad times that I wish Ukraine would consider giving up the taken turf in order to get peace. I still support the West helping Ukraine. The only difference here is the prospect of this turning into a pointless stalemate with a U.S. presidential election year coming. The offensive has made progress as Ukraine has changed its tactics to hit supply lines and other targets well behind the front instead of trying to grind through minefield under heavy artillery fire.

Lots of positive stories out today about the gains the offensive has made. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,266]

26 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

I think what’s weird is defending our enemy for invading our ally. In fact, it’s downright un-American   

I don’t like being lied to about wars. It seem to be a fetish for some. Also, I have not considered Russia our enemy for quite sometime.  

[JustinCharge 2,397]

https://www.voiceofeurope.com/cs/ukrainian-bill-proposes-travel-restrictions-for-teenagers-to-prevent-eu-social-service-interventions/
 

demonstrating just how bad Ukraines situation is, their government has proposed a bill to restrict the ability of kids age 16-18 to travel abroad as they may need to conscript them into service.  Rusty igotworms and others approve of sending children into battle.  

[Pimpadeaux 2,405]

10 minutes ago, JustinCharge said:

https://www.voiceofeurope.com/cs/ukrainian-bill-proposes-travel-restrictions-for-teenagers-to-prevent-eu-social-service-interventions/
 

demonstrating just how bad Ukraines situation is, their government has proposed a bill to restrict the ability of kids age 16-18 to travel abroad as they may need to conscript them into service.  Rusty igotworms and others approve of sending children into battle.  

Did you even read the story?

[JustinCharge 2,397]

Ukraine orders evacuation of kupyansk and likely many of the surrounding villages as the front has collapsed and ukraine is expecting russian forces to sweep across the region. 
 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-orders-evacuation-of-northeastern-city-of-kupyansk-as-russia-claims-advances/ar-AA1f6hgd

[JustinCharge 2,397]

10 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Did you even read the story?

Oh id LOVE to hear your lies on that story. Continue. 

[Pimpadeaux 2,405]

42 minutes ago, JustinCharge said:

Oh id LOVE to hear your lies on that story. Continue. 

OK, so this is actually taken from the story you posted but didn't read.

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The Verkhovna Rada, Ukraine’s parliament, is reviewing a bill that seeks to limit the ability of teenagers aged 16 to 18 to travel abroad. The authors aim to address situations in which EU social services might separate underage Ukrainian children from their families due to discrepancies in legal provisions.

Cases have emerged where, for example, a child is taken from the custody of a grandmother because she doesn’t possess legal authorization to act on the child’s behalf, especially when the child’s mother is still in Ukraine.

The proposed legislation lays out specific conditions for teenagers intending to travel abroad:

1. Travel is permitted if the teenager is accompanied by one parent, provided the other parent consents.
2. They can travel with a trusted individual.
3. For orphans or children without parental care, they must secure permission from the guardianship and care authority. The procedure to obtain this permission will be outlined by the Cabinet of Ministers.

So you take something Ukraine is doing to keep kids from being separated from their families, turn it into Ukraine wanting to send these kids into battle and that I'm somehow supportive of this.

What you've done here is further underscore that you're a terminal fountain of misinformation who bends and outright destroys facts to meet your delusional and dysfunctional paradigm.

Thank you for this. It has made my day, and I'm glad that you love to hear it.

Dumbass.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

The media has been lying about the war DAILY.  If it was about protecting kids, it would be ALL ages.  The media is spinning it.  Ukraine is obviously targetting the oldest kids because theyd be conscripted first. 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

Moscow burning again as ukrainian drone attacks increase.  Ukraine has all but lost so they are trying to drum up russian popular support to nuke the US.  Ukraine might start unloading some serious hardware on moscow soon.  

[Blue Horseshoe 348]

29 minutes ago, JustinCharge said:

The media has been lying about the war DAILY.  If it was about protecting kids, it would be ALL ages.  The media is spinning it.  Ukraine is obviously targetting the oldest kids because theyd be conscripted first. 

 

So if there's one area where you and I will likely immediately agree on, it would be that if Iran was able to develop nukes and become a true nuclear power, then they wouldn't hesitate to use them on America. But what Iran's quest to become a nuclear power does highlight is the vast complexity behind actually doing that in total. It's a long attrition based logistical and resource management process, a true political nightmare, to be at the scale to develop nuclear weapons. 

How does this apply to Ukraine? Well in order to continue to get weapons from NATO, they have to agree NOT to attack inside Russia. Which is, from a practical warfare strategy standpoint, completely insane from Zelensky's perspective. It would be like the Allies in WW2 being asked not to invade Europe and just slug it out over and over again in Africa. Or asking the Russians in WW2 to just limit themselves to retaking ground from the German invasion but not seek to enter into Berlin at all. 

So for every other country, especially Taiwan, the message is clear. If you can't get nukes, then make your chemical weapons arsenal as robust as possible. Does anyone want to be the next Ukraine? Set to fight an endless war with one arm tied behind your back?  And yes, the MSM domestically and even in the international daily media cycle are simply repeating what some analysts in a quiet room at Raytheon are telling them to say out loud.

From the perspective of an American and to protect the interests of the United States, then no one should want Ukraine to attack inside Russia. That doesn't serve American interests

However from the perspective of an "idealized" Ukrainian, and to protect the interest of Ukraine, in that kind of "hypothetical" , then the desire should be to unload Ukraine's entire chemical weapons arsenal into mainland Russia immediately. Zelensky could rack up possibly 80 million casualties in Russia in about five months that way.  No one can invade you if their entire infrastructure has collapsed around them. No one can send ammo, missiles, weapons, personnel, supplies, etc, etc via rail if there is no more rail system. If there is no one left to support the rail system, or the basic means of production. 

Two things can be true at the exact same time, The first is that Ukraine's core government and Zelensky are highly corrupt. The second is that just because they are corrupt and that's being suppressed in the international daily media cycle, it doesn't justify what Putin and Russia have done to countless millions of innocent Ukrainians. You can oppose this war in total and still also oppose Zelensky's "leadership" as a matter of principle outside of the war narrative. 

You can't win a war when it's limited to just on your turf. That's plainly impossible. 

I'll say something unpopular. Zelensky should have used chemical weapons at the outset of the invasion. If a fight is inevitable, then you should punch first and punch the hardest while you are still fresh. 

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[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,315]

facts and more facts

[JustinCharge 2,397]

Some corruption in Ukraine has forced them to fire people working on military recruitment.  Apparently people pay $10k for recruiters to overlook them.  Also a rumor that Ukrainian military hardware is being sold to Mexican cartels. 
 

 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

Ukrainians are cashing out thinking the war is lost?

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[IGotWorms 4,057]

After months of inching through minefields, villages and open steppes in grueling combat, Ukrainian forces are making somewhat bigger advances along two major lines of attack, according to analysts, Ukrainian officials and Russian military bloggers.

The amount of territory seized, 10 to 12 miles on both vectors of attack, while relatively small, is important in that it is compelling Moscow to divert forces from other parts of the front line, military analysts say. The Institute for the Study of War, a Washington-based think tank, called the advances “tactically significant,” saying Moscow’s redeployment would most “likely further weaken Russian defensive lines in aggregate,” creating “opportunities for any Ukrainian breakthrough to be potentially decisive.”

The Ukrainian military launched the counteroffensive this summer amid high hopes of duplicating its stunning sweep through the Kharkiv region in September. But those hopes were dashed amid heavy losses, causing commanders to change strategy from head-on assaults to a war of attrition, content to make steady, little gains while conserving resources and degrading those of the Russians.

And even as Ukrainian soldiers battle in trenches and on the field, the campaign to sever Russian supply lines continues, with Ukrainian missiles and drones targeting sites far from the front lines.

[TimHauck 2,728]

On 8/11/2023 at 12:52 AM, JustinCharge said:

Moscow burning again as ukrainian drone attacks increase.  Ukraine has all but lost so they are trying to drum up russian popular support to nuke the US.

JFC you’re still on this?

[League Champion 1,909]

You mean US Drone Strikes. The Ukrainians can barely reload their weapons. 

[The Real timschochet 6,640]

49 minutes ago, League Champion said:

You mean US Drone Strikes. The Ukrainians can barely reload their weapons. 

There is no US military there conducting drone strikes. Unless you have information the rest of us aren’t privy to. 

[League Champion 1,909]

7 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

There is no US military there conducting drone strikes

Sure about that? 

[GobbleDog 991]

Anyone want to drive over the Kerch bridge out of Crimea? Pro-Ukraine, anti-Ukraine, whatever... it is rather funny.

Ukraine bombs it, Russia fixes it, Ukraine bombs it again, Russia fixes it again, and yesterday Ukraine bombed it yet again.

[Pimpadeaux 2,405]

30 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

Anyone want to drive over the Kerch bridge out of Crimea? Pro-Ukraine, anti-Ukraine, whatever... it is rather funny.

Ukraine bombs it, Russia fixes it, Ukraine bombs it again, Russia fixes it again, and yesterday Ukraine bombed it yet again.

Poor bridge. It just wants to get along in this crazy mixed-up world.

[seafoam1 2,923]

4 hours ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Poor bridge. It just wants to get along in this crazy mixed-up world.

Poor pimpledoosh. Still breastfeeding on the teet of ukrainian propaganda. 

[Pimpadeaux 2,405]

Lots of reports today about Ukraine gaining ground.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,266]

38 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Lots of reports today about Ukraine gaining ground.

The Nazi Battalion? They have a rep for being good fighters. 

[League Champion 1,909]

2 hours ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Lots of reports today about Ukraine gaining ground.

Is that what they're telling you?

 

 

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[GobbleDog 991]

Russian missiles destroy hotel near park full of kids. Quite disturbing.

[Pimpadeaux 2,405]

38 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

Russian missiles destroy hotel near park full of kids. Quite disturbing.

This is what they do, and the MAGAturd dooshbags egg it on and support this. 

[IGotWorms 4,057]

8 hours ago, League Champion said:

Is that what they're telling you?

 

 

That’s the most homo Twitter account I’ve ever seen (NTTAWWT)

[IGotWorms 4,057]

41 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

Russian missiles destroy hotel near park full of kids. Quite disturbing.

Unless you’re a bored righty, and then it’s glorious

[Hardcore troubadour 15,266]

4 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

This is what they do, and the MAGAturd dooshbags egg it on and support this. 

War is hell. You should do your best to not have any. 

[IGotWorms 4,057]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

War is hell. You should do your best to not have any. 

That’s a great point - Russia shouldn’t a oughta invaded Ukraine.

I think you’re getting it now!

[Pimpadeaux 2,405]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

War is hell. You should do your best to not have any. 

And Russia, unprovoked, brought this hell to Ukraine and its own people, so you should support Russia no longer making war against Ukraine. Boom.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,266]

Just now, IGotWorms said:

That’s a great point - Russia shouldn’t a oughta invaded Ukraine.

I think you’re getting it now!

When did Russias invasion of Ukraine begin? 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,266]

2 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

And Russia, unprovoked, brought this hell to Ukraine and its own people, so you should support Russia no longer making war against Ukraine. Boom.

We disagree about the unprovoked part.  But now that you even you can see that Ukraine can’t win, when do we start seeing some negotiations? 

[Pimpadeaux 2,405]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

When did Russias invasion of Ukraine begin? 

Are you really not knowing of this?

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,266]

1 minute ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Are you really not knowing of this?

 

Go ahead and answer.