Twitter adopts 'poison pill' to prevent Elon Musk takeover

[TimHauck 2,621]

On 4/8/2023 at 7:33 AM, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Between trannies and Elon Musk I'm not sure which one is the stronger obsession with you. 
 

Love how you lefty losers now hate Twitter when the rules are applied evenly.  GFY.

Did old twitter block links to entire websites (not just specific stories)?

 

 

 

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[Hardcore troubadour 14,944]

The new Twitter is awesome.  

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Listen to Elon b*tch slap a BBC reporter.  This was great!!!

 

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2 minutes ago, Strike said:

Listen to Elon b*tch slap a BBC reporter.  This was great!!!

 

 

lod decided to bump a different thread to post this already

[RLLD 4,143]

On 4/9/2023 at 8:38 AM, TimHauck said:

Did old twitter block links to entire websites (not just specific stories)?

 

 

 

 

This is the entire dilemma with "blocking" and the cancellation doctrine of "woke" leftism....eventually that weapon can be turned back on you..... I try to explain this to you liberals over and over..   

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1 minute ago, RLLD said:

 

This is the entire dilemma with "blocking" and the cancellation doctrine of "woke" leftism....eventually that weapon can be turned back on you..... I try to explain this to you liberals over and over..   

Sure...but if you complain about the old twitter doing it, you should also complain about the new twitter doing it 

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11 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Sure...but if you complain about the old twitter doing it, you should also complain about the new twitter doing it 

Of Course I object to it. You cannot see me through your liberal lense of bias. That wont work. 

Please also consider this. You now point to Twitter's behavior and say to conservatives, hey here you go....time to do what you say and stand up to your position. And I think that is fine, because we absolutely should.

Now......lets see you hold Joe Biden to account as you have done Trump. 

[nobody 2,566]

45 minutes ago, Strike said:

Listen to Elon b*tch slap a BBC reporter.  This was great!!!

 

I don't see that as some big win for Elon.  The guy says there's a rise in hate speech and Elon asked for his personal experience.  But who cares what one guy's personal experience is?  I would expect an engineering executive to worry about facts and data not some anecdotal experience.   Even if the guy could quote an example, how does that even prove a rise in hate speech or not?

Granted, he could've been leading him down a path and the guy answered the question on the anecdote so poorly the whole line went off the rails.  I assume Elon was going to say things that are being classified as hate speech aren't really hate speech.  That's really the only reason to take that line.

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, nobody said:

I don't see that as some big win for Elon.  The guy says there's a rise in hate speech and Elon asked for his personal experience.  But who cares what one guy's personal experience is?  I would expect an engineering executive to worry about facts and data not some anecdotal experience.   Even if the guy could quote an example, how does that even prove a rise in hate speech or not?

Granted, he could've been leading him down a path and the guy answered the question on the anecdote so poorly the whole line went off the rails.  I assume Elon was going to say things that are being classified as hate speech aren't really hate speech.  That's really the only reason to take that line.

 

 

 

Journalists are supposed to have researched the questions they're asking.  If they make an assertion of facts, such as that hate speech is on the rise on Twitter, they should be able to support that assertion.  I'm sure Elon would have been fine with a study or other supporting evidence but he gave the guy the opportunity of providing the lowest hanging fruit, a single example.  And the reporter couldn't even provide that.  Why should Elon have to answer questions about situations that may not even exist?

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9 minutes ago, Strike said:

Journalists are supposed to have researched the questions they're asking.  If they make an assertion of facts, such as that hate speech is on the rise on Twitter, they should be able to support that assertion.  I'm sure Elon would have been fine with a study or other supporting evidence but he gave the guy the opportunity of providing the lowest hanging fruit, a single example.  And the reporter couldn't even provide that.  Why should Elon have to answer questions about situations that may not even exist?

Sure.  But he tried to steer him to the study or whatever by the strategic whatever institute and Elon was hung up on the personal anecdote.  If anything the guy is just a poor interviewer.  He should've just said, "my personal experience is not relevant.  I'm referring to the study by xyz" 

A personal example is liberal shìt.  They personalize a situation to manipulate people.  That's how 9 unarmed people per year getting shot resisting arrest turns into riots.  

But even if the dude said, "@joeblow said he hates gays on January 3rd," what does that even prove?  It's a dumb question.  Is the premise that an average user doesn't come across hate speech on twitter.  Hell, I came across some hate speech just yesterday.  I was searching for sluts on twitter and some user calling themself chic nymph had some racist tweets.  So now is hate speech on the rise on twitter because I saw that?

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40 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Of Course I object to it. You cannot see me through your liberal lense of bias. That wont work. 

Please also consider this. You now point to Twitter's behavior and say to conservatives, hey here you go....time to do what you say and stand up to your position. And I think that is fine, because we absolutely should.

Now......lets see you hold Joe Biden to account as you have done Trump. 

What did I say about Trump?  I voted for him, twice.

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22 minutes ago, nobody said:

Sure.  But he tried to steer him to the study or whatever by the strategic whatever institute and Elon was hung up on the personal anecdote.  If anything the guy is just a poor interviewer.  He should've just said, "my personal experience is not relevant.  I'm referring to the study by xyz" 

 

This is false.  Go listen to it again.  Here is a transcript of the beginning of the discussion:

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CLAYTON: We’ve spoken to people very recently who were involved in moderation, and they just say, there’s not enough people to police this stuff, particulary around, particulaty around hate speech.

MUSK: What hate speech are you talking about? Do you see a rise in hate speech? Just your personal anecdote, do you? I don’t.

CLAYTON: Personally, my, for you, I get more of that kind of content, personally. But I’m not gonna talk for the rest of Twitter.

MUSK: Do you see more hate speech personally?

CLAYTON: I would say I see more hateful content in that.

MUSK: Content you don’t like, or hateful? What do you mean? Describe a hateful thing.

CLAYTON: Yeah, you know, content that will solicit a reaction to something that may include something that is slightly racist or slightly sexist. Those kinds of things

MUSK: So you think if something is slightly sexist, it should be banned?

 

No studies.  Just third party anecdotes so Musk asked the reporter about his personal experience and relayed that Musk's own experience is that hate speech is not on the rise. 

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Maybe we can get a chat room and listen together.  He clearly said, "I'm claiming many organizations like the strategic dialog institute in the UK ... "

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16 minutes ago, nobody said:

Maybe we can get a chat room and listen together.  He clearly said, "I'm claiming many organizations like the strategic dialog institute in the UK ... "

That's not a study.  That's an organization.  And Musk said "people will say all sorts of nonsense...".  This would have been a good time for the reporter to say "they published a study...." but he didn't.  He's just pulling third parties out of thin air.  No specifics, either in examples of hate speech or in studies or other credible evidence.  Come on man.  You're better than this.

BTW,  I looked up the strategic dialog institute, and they do in fact have a study.  They may have more than one but the one I found, which they reference on their twitter account, relates to the rise in antisemitic tweets on Twitter pre/post Musk's acquisition of the platform.  Forgetting the fact that every other page seems to be a caveat about their methodology or (lack of)accuracy, their contention is that anti-semitic tweets went from about 6k a week to 12k a week after Musk's acquisition.  I have to wonder, statistically, what percentage of total tweets this even comprises.   Fortunately, the internet tells us. As of 2013, there were 500 million tweets sent per day:

https://www.internetlivestats.com/twitter-statistics/

I think it's reasonable to assume that figure is higher today.  You'll have to excuse me if I"m not too concerned about speech that comprises a negligible amount of the total number of tweets.  But the freedom of expression Musk has released on Twitter since taking it over is significantly more.

 

[RLLD 4,143]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

What did I say about Trump?  I voted for him, twice.

Consistency is consistency.  If we are to call out the duality or hypocrisy of one element, that philosophy should also apply across the board. To include the fake transgender nonsense as well. That is all. 

[nobody 2,566]

Of course they have a study, strike.  Every left leaning group in the world is immediately going to produce a study saying twitter is now nazi Germany.  You needed that explained?

The reason the reporter didn't bring it up is because Elon kept harping on his stupid need for a personal example like the guy is memorizing his Twitter feed or something.

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By the way, if it's not obvious, I don't give a fūck about Musk or Twitter.  I think twitter remains the same toxic cesspool it has always been.  Just to bring it full circle, I was only saying I don't think that interview was something to jerk off over if you're a musk fan.

[GutterBoy 2,898]

There was research done. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/02/technology/twitter-hate-speech.html

I you disagree with the research, you'll just say it's fake, or it's the liberal NYT, whatever.

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8 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Consistency is consistency.  If we are to call out the duality or hypocrisy of one element, that philosophy should also apply across the board. To include the fake transgender nonsense as well. That is all. 

What should I be calling out about "fake transgender nonsense"?

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6 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

There was research done. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/02/technology/twitter-hate-speech.html

I you disagree with the research, you'll just say it's fake, or it's the liberal NYT, whatever.

Nah, don't need to.  FTA:

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Before Elon Musk bought Twitter, slurs against Black Americans showed up on the social media service an average of 1,282 times a day. After the billionaire became Twitter’s owner, they jumped to 3,876 times a day.

Slurs against gay men appeared on Twitter 2,506 times a day on average before Mr. Musk took over. Afterward, their use rose to 3,964 times a day.

 

I'll give them the benefit of the doubt here.  Do you know how statistically insignificant those numbers are relative to the total number of tweets per day?  500 MILLION tweets per day.  OMG, 3000 of them are slurs against black people.  Chances are 90% of those 3000 are FROM black people, so they should be excluded. 

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Any slurs against white people? Can I get a study? 

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5 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

 

15 hours ago, TimHauck said:

 

 

 

That's what free speech looks like. Even, and especially, the ones you dont agree with. 

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6 hours ago, TimHauck said:

What should I be calling out about "fake transgender nonsense"?

As long as the same rules are equally applied I would hope folks would simmer down a bit

[dogcows 1,030]

That BBC reporter is worse than Lesley Stahl. Completely incompetent interviewer. He tossed a bunch of slow-pitch softballs for Musk to swing away at, and apparently did zero research beforehand. The BBC kowtowed to Musk all because they were scared of a label he put on their tweets? Truly pathetic. NPR has the right idea: If musk is going to use his platform to defame your organization? Dump the platform. If most news sites dump Twitter, it will be very difficult for Musk to make any money.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,944]

22 minutes ago, dogcows said:

That BBC reporter is worse than Lesley Stahl. Completely incompetent interviewer. He tossed a bunch of slow-pitch softballs for Musk to swing away at, and apparently did zero research beforehand. The BBC kowtowed to Musk all because they were scared of a label he put on their tweets? Truly pathetic. NPR has the right idea: If musk is going to use his platform to defame your organization? Dump the platform. If most news sites dump Twitter, it will be very difficult for Musk to make any money.

How did Musk defame NPR? 

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[Blue Horseshoe 348]

9 hours ago, dogcows said:

That BBC reporter is worse than Lesley Stahl. Completely incompetent interviewer. He tossed a bunch of slow-pitch softballs for Musk to swing away at, and apparently did zero research beforehand. The BBC kowtowed to Musk all because they were scared of a label he put on their tweets? Truly pathetic. NPR has the right idea: If musk is going to use his platform to defame your organization? Dump the platform. If most news sites dump Twitter, it will be very difficult for Musk to make any money.

 

Elon Musk isn't in it any of this for the money. He needs money to go and colonize Mars. That's what he wants. 

The reason he supports the GOP and the Republicans right now is that they aren't going to get in his way. The current Democratic Party, the way it's constructed and behaves, is going to get in his way. Feelings over facts and persecuting people for wrong think and letting cities burn is a truly stupid way to encourage and support progress. You can't build rockets if the cities where the parts are built are in chaos. 

If the current Democratic Party was seen as one of real progress, Musk would probably support them. And he'd probably have left Twitter alone. 

Trying to force everyone to electric vehicles without any plan towards practical infrastructure and basic logistics is beyond stupid. Musk makes electric cars and even he realizes the way it's being done is stupid. Many people can't afford their rent and the cost of food, how the hell can they buy an electric car? If Biden had some fraction of a reasonable energy policy, then Musk would have just left this all alone. 

Today's Democratic Party is anti progress. They'll demand someone like Musk hire a black person or a woman or a gay person first, instead of the person who can best build a damn rocket ship. Maybe that person will end up being a woman. Or a black person. Or a gay person. But Musk wants the freedom to decide for himself. 

Something to pay attention to is that in just 2-3 years, the Democratic Party has made enemies of a large cross section of different people with major platforms. Musk is a big one. Joe Rogan is another. Dave Chappelle and Bill Burr. So not only are they anti progress, they are also failing the basic "Enemy Of My Enemy Is My Friend" principle. 

Musk is an explorer. He's an innovator. Sure, he's an ######## too. But if the Democrats want him to get out of their way, they shouldn't make the progress he wants so damn hard all the time. 

Smart people don't resent stupid people until those stupid people make the lives of the smart people impossible and miserable. 

[RLLD 4,143]

9 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

How did Musk defame NPR? 

He called them what they are.  And they need to keep up the pretending.....

[TimHauck 2,621]

10 hours ago, Horseman said:

That's what free speech looks like. Even, and especially, the ones you dont agree with. 

That account has now been suspended.  Thanks Elon, but you still didn’t need to verify it first.

[dogcows 1,030]

4 hours ago, Blue Horseshoe said:

 

Elon Musk isn't in it any of this for the money. He needs money to go and colonize Mars. That's what he wants. 

The reason he supports the GOP and the Republicans right now is that they aren't going to get in his way. The current Democratic Party, the way it's constructed and behaves, is going to get in his way. Feelings over facts and persecuting people for wrong think and letting cities burn is a truly stupid way to encourage and support progress. You can't build rockets if the cities where the parts are built are in chaos. 

If the current Democratic Party was seen as one of real progress, Musk would probably support them. And he'd probably have left Twitter alone. 

Trying to force everyone to electric vehicles without any plan towards practical infrastructure and basic logistics is beyond stupid. Musk makes electric cars and even he realizes the way it's being done is stupid. Many people can't afford their rent and the cost of food, how the hell can they buy an electric car? If Biden had some fraction of a reasonable energy policy, then Musk would have just left this all alone. 

Today's Democratic Party is anti progress. They'll demand someone like Musk hire a black person or a woman or a gay person first, instead of the person who can best build a damn rocket ship. Maybe that person will end up being a woman. Or a black person. Or a gay person. But Musk wants the freedom to decide for himself. 

Something to pay attention to is that in just 2-3 years, the Democratic Party has made enemies of a large cross section of different people with major platforms. Musk is a big one. Joe Rogan is another. Dave Chappelle and Bill Burr. So not only are they anti progress, they are also failing the basic "Enemy Of My Enemy Is My Friend" principle. 

Musk is an explorer. He's an innovator. Sure, he's an ######## too. But if the Democrats want him to get out of their way, they shouldn't make the progress he wants so damn hard all the time. 

Smart people don't resent stupid people until those stupid people make the lives of the smart people impossible and miserable. 

Isn't it a bit early in your GC career to post your manifesto?

[dogcows 1,030]

Elon is having a total meltdown over the departure of PBS and NPR, spamming out a bunch of angry tweets.

He is a magician all right. He already made $24 billion dollars disappear.

[Reality 3,099]

5 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Elon is having a total meltdown over the departure of PBS and NPR, spamming out a bunch of angry tweets.

He is a magician all right. He already made $24 billion dollars disappear.

OH NOES!! NOT A MELTDOWN!!

[League Champion 1,896]

 

[Blue Horseshoe 348]

On 4/13/2023 at 9:47 AM, dogcows said:

Elon is having a total meltdown over the departure of PBS and NPR, spamming out a bunch of angry tweets.

He is a magician all right. He already made $24 billion dollars disappear.

 

Elon Musk "won" the day he bought Twitter. 

Circa 2021, Mark Zuckerberg testified before Congress and he admitted, along with the CEO of Google, that Big Tech and all the major social media platforms "coordinated" enforcement strategies. Doing that and admitting to it , if hard data proof would emerge, would cause Section 230 to be revoked. It would also raise all kinds of anti-trust issues for all of them. By buying Twitter, Musk now had access to all of Twitter HQ's files, databases and algorithms. This is why some people like Steven Crowder saw his followers count jump by tens of thousand over night. Because Twitter HQ tried to clean up and reverse all the shadow bans and hide all the bots before Musk walked through the front door. 

In effect, every other major platform had to toe the line and change. Or Musk would simply release all the information and data, like he did with Matt Taibbi, and all these CEOs would sit in front of Congress for the next decade. Some would eventually end up in prison. This is why there is such a hard concerted effort to get Clarence Thomas off of SCOTUS ( To try to restack the court to deny any possible changes to Section 230 for the future) . By the end of 2024, odds are the GOP will retake Congress. Also if De Santis is President ( less likely Trump, but maybe even that is possible now), the hearings and investigations would be endless. It would turn into a feeding frenzy to see which CEO would take a deal first to rat on the others. 

Widespread information suppression that's coordinated while also in league with interests from the CCP could be seen as an act of treason. We aren't talking prison here, we are talking executions. 

Musk won the day he bought Twitter. Zuckerberg and the rest thought they would be OK if they kept Democrats in power and no one OUTSIDE their little club could end up owning one of these major companies/platforms. 

Musk is being intentionally arbitrary because for the MSM to keep criticizing him actually corners the Democratic Party. Their stance has always been that "private businesses" like the Washington Post under Bezos should be not be held to the standard of a public government agency.  The "threat" is what Musk might buy or threaten to buy next. He might not buy it, but just creating headlines of his supposed interest would cause massive financial damage to a bunch of woke companies. Just that looming dread is keeping many major corporations from going too far into the identity politics spectrum. 

The more the radical left and the MSM criticize him and demonizes him, the more his platform grows. Not Twitter per se, but his individual platform. As that platform grows, he becomes harder and harder to silence. 

The radical left wants to keep shouting that Musk is losing and failing. Are they talking about him? Can they stop talking about him? Can the MSM stop talking about him? Then he's gotten what he needs from all this.