PA conservative group wants to put spies in schools

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

2 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Huh?

They can complain about having god  in schools all they want. If you want that in school go to a religious school. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

3 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

You seem to know everything about school so you already know the answer to this question

Thanks for playing along. 

You’re the one that brought funding up. Now that you’ve been called on it you show you got nothin. Ha ha punk. 

[TimHauck 3,307]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

They can complain about having god  in schools all they want. If you want that in school go to a religious school. 

Agree with your second sentence.  But you’re saying it’s OK for this “conservative group” to complain that they want God to be “honored” in school?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

16 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Agree with your second sentence.  But you’re saying it’s OK for this “conservative group” to complain that they want God to be “honored” in school?

Anyone can complain. It doesn’t mean you’re going to get what you want. Our country has had this discussion already and I think the overwhelming majority agree with the current policy. 

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4 hours ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Why does that even matter.  The left is watching their biased media and the right is watching their biased media.  Who cares how many more outlets there are, you're all following the opinions of people from them.

Well, part of the issue is that we used to have (or used to think we had, a whole 'nother topic) the majority of media in the center.  Over time a few extreme Left and Right sources emerged; arguably Rush was the most successful.  But since we've seen the entire main stream media machine move far Left -- ABC, CBS, NBC... NYT, WaPo, LATimes... Google, FB, Twitter (for now), CNN.  Even sources like Reuters and AP I've shown to be biased.  It was inevitable that a cottage industries of media outlets would emerge for people who wanted to read that it is OK to not believe in childhood sexual mutilation.  I guarantee you won't read that in any of the sources I just listed.

[Utilit99 4,099]

5 hours ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Why does that even matter.  The left is watching their biased media and the right is watching their biased media.  Who cares how many more outlets there are, you're all following the opinions of people from them.

False. I listen to both sides when I do listen. I just hear weird things coming out of liberals mouths. This site is not a news channel and I hear some focked up things coming from liberals. I'm not like you who has to get his opinions from the news. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

1 hour ago, Utilit99 said:

False. I listen to both sides when I do listen. I just hear weird things coming out of liberals mouths. This site is not a news channel and I hear some focked up things coming from liberals. I'm not like you who has to get his opinions from the news. 

Yeah, people like Hawkeye cling to this notion that it’s the same. No it’s not. At one time it was. Not anymore. Vomit is too angry to see clear and he thinks it is too as well. Again, it’s not. 

[Sean Mooney 2,049]

3 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

You’re the one that brought funding up. Now that you’ve been called on it you show you got nothin. Ha ha punk. 

I got plenty but you claim to know everything so you'd already know the answer.

You know except for when you showed you have no idea what the phrase "equity of funding" meant. You immediately thought that meant schools by and large needed more money. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

Just now, Sean Mooney said:

I got plenty but you claim to know everything so you'd already know the answer.

You know except for when you showed you have no idea what the phrase "equity of funding" meant. You immediately thought that meant schools by and large needed more money. 

Come on man, I admit I don’t know. Please tell us about it. 

[Sean Mooney 2,049]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Come on man, I admit I don’t know. Please tell us about it. 

No c'mon...you know all about what is happening in schools, you know about my pension, my union, my everything...and now you want to pull back.

Nah...cause then you'd have to admit you just talk out of your rear end all the time. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

3 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

No c'mon...you know all about what is happening in schools, you know about my pension, my union, my everything...and now you want to pull back.

Nah...cause then you'd have to admit you just talk out of your rear end all the time. 

Looks like you’re the one who talked out of his ass. Can’t even explain his brilliant idea. You’re the one advocating for reconfiguring funding, not me. Why would I be the one to explain it? Busted.

[Sean Mooney 2,049]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

Looks like you’re the one who talked out of his ass. Can’t even explain his brilliant idea. You’re the one advocating for reconfiguring funding, not me. Why would I be the one to explain it? Busted.

Define the term.

I ain't busted. You are just too dumb to understand the simplicity of the concept. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

5 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Define the term.

I ain't busted. You are just too dumb to understand the simplicity of the concept. 

You brought it up.  Now you can’t back it up. Obvious. 

[Sean Mooney 2,049]

7 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

You brought it up.  Now you can’t back it up. Obvious. 

Define the term. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

4 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Define the term. 

I can’t. We need you to explain it. Looks like you can’t, you just repeated something you heard on television or in the break room. I guess we can just chalk it up to you trying to sound smart. And your deflection is transparent and silly. Just let it be now. You’re exposed. 

[Fireballer 2,677]

13 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I can’t. We need you to explain it. Looks like you can’t, you just repeated something you heard on television or in the break room. I guess we can just chalk it up to you trying to sound smart. And your deflection is transparent and silly. Just let it be now. You’re exposed. 

Keep the funding the same and reallocate the dollars so everyone is guaranteed an equal, mediocre outcome.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

2 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Keep the funding the same and reallocate the dollars so everyone is guaranteed an equal, mediocre outcome.

Yes but how? Who do you redirect it away from? Mooney doesn’t know how. He may have heard it at some rally he went to to impress another teacher who is probably banging one of the gym teachers. 

[Sean Mooney 2,049]

5 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Keep the funding the same and reallocate the dollars so everyone is guaranteed an equal, mediocre outcome.

Explain how you feel that leads to everyone being mediocre. 

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yes but how? Who do you redirect it away from? Mooney doesn’t know how. He may have heard it at some rally he went to to impress another teacher who is probably banging one of the gym teachers. 

You live some weird mental fantasies. I'm pretty impressed how much of your head space I have taken up. I mean- I know you have plenty of space but I own a lot of it. Besides- a "teacher rally?" Who the hell would go to that?

Who do you think you are redirecting it away from?

[Fireballer 2,677]

8 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yes but how? Who do you redirect it away from? Mooney doesn’t know how. He may have heard it at some rally he went to to impress another teacher who is probably banging one of the gym teachers. 

My son went thru this when his school turned into a Title I school in second grade.  His school went from 2nd highest SOL scores in the county to bottom of the barrel.  Classes became "clustered" and his advanced group got worksheets and a computer screen shoved in front of him for most of the day.  Can you guess where the funding was focused? 

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Blah Blah Blah.

Why the absolute fock should public school teachers be talking about sex, or gender or anything of the sort to any elementary school age kid?  JFC.

Period.  Exclamation Point.  Whatever.  

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

10 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

My son went thru this when his school turned into a Title I school in second grade.  His school went from 2nd highest SOL scores in the county to bottom of the barrel.  Classes became "clustered" and his advanced group got worksheets and a computer screen shoved in front of him for most of the day.  Can you guess where the funding was focused? 

I can guess. So this is Mooneys brilliant solution, one that has already failed? No wonder he doesn’t want to describe it. But thanks for making the point. He wouldn’t. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

4 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

Blah Blah Blah.

Why the absolute fock should public school teachers be talking about sex, or gender or anything of the sort to any elementary school age kid?  JFC.

Period.  Exclamation Point.  Whatever.  

 

Word 

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9 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

Blah Blah Blah.

Why the absolute fock should public school teachers be talking about sex, or gender or anything of the sort to any elementary school age kid?  JFC.

Period.  Exclamation Point.  Whatever.  

 

Pretty much we all agree on this.  The disagreement is do we have a national crisis that requires spies and cameras in the classroom, or some overreacting insane people?

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12 minutes ago, vomit said:

Pretty much we all agree on this.  The disagreement is do we have a national crisis that requires spies and cameras in the classroom, or some overreacting insane people?

I kinda get what your are saying.  Here's the thing:

Should we (the parents, the people) wait until it is a crisis to speak up?   Is it not okay to see a trend, a gaining steam to not speak up?  

Either way.....if its not an issue this will fizzle out.  If it is an issue then I'd rather be early to call it out.  

 

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2 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

I kinda get what your are saying.  Here's the thing:

Should we (the parents, the people) wait until it is a crisis to speak up?   Is it not okay to see a trend, a gaining steam to not speak up?  

Either way.....if its not an issue this will fizzle out.  If it is an issue then I'd rather be early to call it out.  

 

We're all free to speak up, request the curriculum, etc.  Being involved is good.

[Fireballer 2,677]

6 minutes ago, KSB2424 said:

 

Should we (the parents, the people) wait until it is a crisis to speak up?   Is it not okay to see a trend, a gaining steam to not speak up?  

Some people don't understand this.  I told my wife she should adopt this mindset at work.  She's an Oncology nurse.  She's going to start telling her patients the "by and large" that their body is cancer free and the tumors aren't "widespread" so why even worry?

[Fireballer 2,677]

43 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Explain how you feel that leads to everyone being mediocre. 

Oh I dunno, leveling of DRA scores? When my son's school went Title 1, we lost some high achieving kids.  As they continued in a neighboring elementary school, by and large, they continued on an upward trend, outpacing expected DRA by 1 or 2 grade levels.  The kids left behind had their DRAs level off as the equity plan took resources from them and focused it elsewhere.  Once all these kids re-joined each other in middle school, a number of the previously higher achieving kids needed remediation to be able to keep up in Honors classes.  

All this equity babble sounds great in a world of rainbows and unicorns.  What ends up happening is that, with resources diverted from them, administrators cross their fingers that advanced kids achieve 75% of what theyre capable of and pray like hell the "marginalized groups" can keep from drowning.  

[Sean Mooney 2,049]

9 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I can guess. So this is Mooneys brilliant solution, one that has already failed? No wonder he doesn’t want to describe it. But thanks for making the point. He wouldn’t. 

It hasn't failed and Fireballer isn't explaining it right. You'd know this if you actually knew as much as you seem to think you do.

8 hours ago, Fireballer said:

Some people don't understand this.  I told my wife she should adopt this mindset at work.  She's an Oncology nurse.  She's going to start telling her patients the "by and large" that their body is cancer free and the tumors aren't "widespread" so why even worry?

Gotta love when people use stupid analogies to try and make a point. Did you pat yourself on the back after this one? Did you high five your buddies after this one? 

8 hours ago, Fireballer said:

Oh I dunno, leveling of DRA scores? When my son's school went Title 1, we lost some high achieving kids.  As they continued in a neighboring elementary school, by and large, they continued on an upward trend, outpacing expected DRA by 1 or 2 grade levels.  The kids left behind had their DRAs level off as the equity plan took resources from them and focused it elsewhere.  Once all these kids re-joined each other in middle school, a number of the previously higher achieving kids needed remediation to be able to keep up in Honors classes.  

All this equity babble sounds great in a world of rainbows and unicorns.  What ends up happening is that, with resources diverted from them, administrators cross their fingers that advanced kids achieve 75% of what theyre capable of and pray like hell the "marginalized groups" can keep from drowning.  

Why did you lose high achieving kids after going Title 1? That isn't the way that works. 

That isn't what happens either when there is equity in funding. 

[Hawkeye21 2,454]

14 hours ago, Utilit99 said:

False. I listen to both sides when I do listen. I just hear weird things coming out of liberals mouths. This site is not a news channel and I hear some focked up things coming from liberals. I'm not like you who has to get his opinions from the news. 

I don't know how many times I have to say this on here, I don't watch the news.  I form my own opinions.

[Hawkeye21 2,454]

10 hours ago, KSB2424 said:

Blah Blah Blah.

Why the absolute fock should public school teachers be talking about sex, or gender or anything of the sort to any elementary school age kid?  JFC.

Period.  Exclamation Point.  Whatever.  

 

I think that's a good question.  No one here seems to no the exact reason and are asking the wrong people.

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1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I think that's a good question.  No one here seems to no the exact reason and are asking the wrong people.

It's not a good question.  It's rhetorical.  There is no good reason and no need to ask the "right" people.

[Sean Mooney 2,049]

17 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I think that's a good question.  No one here seems to no the exact reason and are asking the wrong people.

They don't want to know the real answer because it would be different than what the fear mongering overlords tell them. Same thing happens to people entrenched on the left. 

[Fireballer 2,677]

3 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

It hasn't failed and Fireballer isn't explaining it right. You'd know this if you actually knew as much as you seem to think you do.

Gotta love when people use stupid analogies to try and make a point. Did you pat yourself on the back after this one? Did you high five your buddies after this one? 

Why did you lose high achieving kids after going Title 1? That isn't the way that works. 

That isn't what happens either when there is equity in funding. 

I mentioned in the previous post that the school district was re-districted.  We lost some kids, and took on some kids from another school district.  It was a shell game. 

And what I described was exactly what happened.  The school was full of shiny new books, posters, reading specialists, and a big "kickoff day" to help achieve their results.  What my son got was printed worksheets and a computer screen. I know, because I started volunteering in his classroom when I found out his direct instruction time was cut by almost 2 hours a day.  

[Sean Mooney 2,049]

18 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

I mentioned in the previous post that the school district was re-districted.  We lost some kids, and took on some kids from another school district.  It was a shell game. 

And what I described was exactly what happened.  The school was full of shiny new books, posters, reading specialists, and a big "kickoff day" to help achieve their results.  What my son got was printed worksheets and a computer screen. I know, because I started volunteering in his classroom when I found out his direct instruction time was cut by almost 2 hours a day.  

They didn't move kids out because of moving to Title 1. They got Title 1 funds because of the population of the school.

And from what you describe- it would sound like the funds were not allocated well which is different 

[Fireballer 2,677]

1 hour ago, Sean Mooney said:

They didn't move kids out because of moving to Title 1. They got Title 1 funds because of the population of the school.

Yes, you're correct.  Basically the plan was to try bring up SOL scores of sub par schools. Instead of trying to boost the non-compliant schools, they were content with trying to have a larger number of schools be just over satisfactory level. They played a shell game with the kids and made several school's populations meet the criteria for Title 1.  

[Sean Mooney 2,049]

10 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Yes, you're correct.  Basically the plan was to try bring up SOL scores of sub par schools. Instead of trying to boost the non-compliant schools, they were content with trying to have a larger number of schools be just over satisfactory level. They played a shell game with the kids and made several school's populations meet the criteria for Title 1.  

Right- that's not equity in funding. That is a school trying to equalize everybody by moving high performers more across the district. 

[Fireballer 2,677]

8 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Right- that's not equity in funding. That is a school trying to equalize everybody by moving high performers more across the district. 

So you're saying that Title 1 is not equity driven?

[Sean Mooney 2,049]

4 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

So you're saying that Title 1 is not equity driven?

Not in the way I'm arguing. It's a federally funded supplemental education program. And the funds you get from it have to be used solely on certain things and they need to be documented and catalogued and able to withstand an audit. 

[Fireballer 2,677]

1 minute ago, Sean Mooney said:

Not in the way I'm arguing. It's a federally funded supplemental education program. And the funds you get from it have to be used solely on certain things and they need to be documented and catalogued and able to withstand an audit. 

Yes.  And when my school became Title 1, in addition to an influx of grant money,  resources were reallocated away from one group, and given to another in addition to Title 1 resources. Equity in action.  I'm not sure how your vision of equity in funding would help, but I'd love to hear it.