Boom! Disney getting canceled 🤣😅

[RogerDodger 797]

20 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

No they're not you complete idiot.  Guardians made over half a bil profit alone.  The studios make money, you miserable douche.  Fock man just give up.

Half a billion profit?  No.  

It's estimated it needed to pull 650m-750M to make a profit.  It's currently at 840M.  If you know how to do math it's no where close to half a billion.  

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,968]

1 minute ago, RogerDodger said:

Half a billion profit?  No.  

It's estimated it needed to pull 650m-750M to make a profit.  It's currently at 840M.  If you know how to do math it's no where close to half a billion.  

Yeah, the "finance" expert can't even do math. 

This is why I say these idiots have no idea how box office works.  Half a billion in profit?     

What a f'n moron.  He and mooney think that movie studios keep 100% of the box office receipts!!! 

[Patented Phil 1,469]

1 hour ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Stick to Glory Holes.  It's clear Finance isn't your thing.  Or math.

JFC

[RogerDodger 797]

@GutterBoy  I have a Finance 101 question for you:

BonusBoy wants to make a movie.  He's going to call it Guardians of the Bonus Holes.  He sets aside 250M for production and 100M for marketing.  Knowing that the theaters keep 50% of ticket sales, how much money does Guardians of the Bonus Holes need to make at the box office to break even?

[GutterBoy 2,898]

You guys got me on the typo, meant to say qtr bil, good one.

Point still stands, Disney box office is not losing money so far this year.

[Sean Mooney 1,956]

1 hour ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

 

What a f'n moron.  He and mooney think that movie studios keep 100% of the box office receipts!!! 

Again- please share where I said that.

[seafoam1 2,874]

59 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Again- please share where I said that.

Oh...Is your gay grooming getting tiring?

[BunnysBastatrds 2,368]

Fawking WEIRD NE

[RogerDodger 797]

4 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

You guys got me on the typo, meant to say qtr bil, good one.

Point still stands, Disney box office is not losing money so far this year.

100M - 200M

Math is really hard for you, and words. 

Its their biggest hit, roll out all the losers and add it up chump.  

I'll get you started. Little Mermaid, same math.  250M plus 140M. Need 780M to break even.  Made 540M.  OUCH! 

[RogerDodger 797]

Guarantee they were shooting for over a billion in box office.  Didnt even top the last movie. Good news is there wont be a fourth.  

[RogerDodger 797]

I did the math for everyone so we can settle this once and for all. 

Guardians of the Galaxy +140M

Little Mermaid -240M

Black Panther Wakanda +70M

Ant-man and the Wasp -140M

2023 Disney Box Office Profit Total -170M

 for me. 

for Disney. 

 

 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

8 hours ago, RogerDodger said:

I did the math for everyone so we can settle this once and for all. 

Guardians of the Galaxy +140M

Little Mermaid -240M

Black Panther Wakanda +70M

Ant-man and the Wasp -140M

2023 Disney Box Office Profit Total -170M

 for me. 

for Disney. 

 

 

You really wanna do this?  It's amazing how invested you are in Disney box office numbers.  Personally I really don't care, but I'm more interested in shutting up loud mouth ignorant ass holes like yourself.  So here it goes.

First we need to agree on a formula, which I'm sure we can't, because you're a douche.  There is no one formula, and studios aren't very public or accurate when it comes to the numbers, so we'll have to make some assumptions here.

Your math is (production cost + marketing) x 2 = total expense.  Seems kinda arbitrary.

From all my research, and I've been googling for about 30 mins, the generally agreed upon number is  2.5x production. https://www.reddit.com/r/boxoffice/comments/a0os16/other_thumb_rule_to_calculate_movie_profits/

 

In general, it's complicated https://gizmodo.com/how-much-money-does-a-movie-need-to-make-to-be-profitab-5747305

Another article that goes even deeper than just box office, as there are other avenues of revenue like home and merch: https://entertainmentstrategyguy.com/2019/11/20/the-great-irishman-challenge-how-to-calculate-the-feature-film-profitability-part-i/

And here is an interesting quora talking about how studios don't want to make a profit, in short that translates to profit sharing, which they want to avoid https://www.quora.com/How-does-one-calculate-the-gross-and-net-profit-of-a-filmt

So I'll admit that I didn't know much about how box office numbers worked prior to these discussions.  I don't work in the industry and it's not a hobby.  But after 30 mins of googling I'll call myself an expert now.  So now I'll correct where you are wrong.

Movie	    Gross	Prod Cost	2.5x prod	Profit
Guardians	841	     250	       625	      216
Mermaid 	543    	 250	       625        -82
Ant Man   	476	     200	       500        -24
Indiana Jo	252	     295	       737.5	  -485.5
Elemental	255	     200           500	      -245

Those are the top 5 movies from Disney for 2023 so far.

So Guardians is +216, not +140. 

Mermaid is -82, not -240.

Black Panther was released in 2022, same as Avatar which was their most successful movie in recent history.

Ant Man is -24, not -240

So the total profit for 2023 is not -170.  If you include avatar sales alone it's in the black, but again, that's technically a 2022 release (Dec 16 2022)

You also didn't include Indiana Jones and Elemental.  Indiana Jones has a tough hill to climb to break even, and Elemental is likely a bust.  I include these in full transparency, even though the numbers aren't good so far for Indy, but it's early.

I shared all this in case anyone is interested in learning more and having an honest conversation.

I fully expect your response to be along the lines of "Tiny is poor, tiny can't do math and isn't good with words, tiny is a life loser, I win", go ahead with it if you like.

Looking at the industry as a whole, I think it's still struggling from covid, theater closures, costs, people giving up on movies, etc.  And I think the whole industry might be in trouble.

Good article on that: https://kievkelvin.com/blog/why-is-the-film-industry-dying/

Disney struggling because they are woke?  That's just stupid.

also, more receipts:

https://variety.com/2023/film/news/guardians-of-the-galaxy-3-box-office-staying-power-1235605571/
https://movieweb.com/the-little-mermaid-box-office-success/
https://screenrant.com/how-much-ant-man-wasp-quantumania-cost-to-make
https://screenrant.com/indiana-jones-dial-destiny-budget-box-office-prediction/
https://screenrant.com/elemental-movie-budget-box-office-prediction/

[Sean Mooney 1,956]

@GutterBoy...one thing to add to your numbers is the marketing cost as that will often get figured as well. Now the marketing number is not always known (and Eternal Idiot says licensing deals don't count because Disney and other companies just allow people to make products with their character IP). 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

15 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

@GutterBoy...one thing to add to your numbers is the marketing cost as that will often get figured as well. Now the marketing number is not always known (and Eternal Idiot says licensing deals don't count because Disney and other companies just allow people to make products with their character IP). 

It's part of the 2.5x  The marketing numbers aren't generally made public, so the are often a guess, but it's part of the 2.5x production.  You can do 2x production plus marketing cost.  I did the calcs with that and they were around the same as 2.5x production.  Roger did production + marketing x2, which is odd.

 

[BuckSwope 654]

Only in cesspools like this do people think the masses care that much about the woke crap, or it's driving the general population's actions as much as they want it to.     Talk to normal people, and they point to things like the insane prices, annoying people, and that there is way too much leaning on sequels/remakes/etc.     Last Star Wars movie I went to ended up close to $100 for 3 of us.     F that, I'm barely going because of that, not because they put too many women in their movies or whatever is upsetting the righties these days.   

[GutterBoy 2,898]

Just now, BuckSwope said:

Only in cesspools like this do people think the masses care that much about the woke crap, or it's driving the general population's actions as much as they want it to.     Talk to normal people, and they point to things like the insane prices, annoying people, and that there is way too much leaning on sequels/remakes/etc.     Last Star Wars movie I went to ended up close to $100 for 3 of us.     F that, I'm barely going because of that, not because they put too many women in their movies or whatever is upsetting the righties these days.   

I can't tell you the last time I went to a movie.  I would much rather watch a movie in my own home than go out.  I also realize I'm an old man, but my kids are the same way now, they don't go to the movies anymore.

[BuckSwope 654]

1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

I can't tell you the last time I went to a movie.  I would much rather watch a movie in my own home than go out.  I also realize I'm an old man, but my kids are the same way now, they don't go to the movies anymore.

I am a movie addict, miss it in the theater, but can't be bothered to see more than a few in the theater a year.   We do other things as a family instead because of the cost, or just buy the movie for 1/4 the price and watch at home if it's something like Super Mario that the kid wants to see.   If I go, it's during the day on a day off and no snacks.  

[Sean Mooney 1,956]

6 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

Only in cesspools like this do people think the masses care that much about the woke crap, or it's driving the general population's actions as much as they want it to.     Talk to normal people, and they point to things like the insane prices, annoying people, and that there is way too much leaning on sequels/remakes/etc.     Last Star Wars movie I went to ended up close to $100 for 3 of us.     F that, I'm barely going because of that, not because they put too many women in their movies or whatever is upsetting the righties these days.   

Like I showed yesterday- there were 400 million less tickets sold in 2022 than in the last year pre pandemic 2019. Theaters shut down, stuff comes to streaming quicker.

 

Of course when I pointed this out none of the usual suspects responded to that and just kept on their stupid lines of thinking. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,139]

22 hours ago, Strike said:

Reports of significant attendance losses at Disneyworld.   But everything is fine!!! 

First they came for the steaming. Then they came for the movies. Now they are coming for the parks. 

[BuckSwope 654]

22 hours ago, Strike said:

Reports of significant attendance losses at Disneyworld.   But everything is fine!!! 

Attendance is down at theme parks overall too.  There has also been a conscious trend to raise prices and target the upper middle class and being ok with fewer people and less wait times.  Krystal and Saager had an interesting bit about it, I think yesterday. 

Yes, woke is driving it for some people (mostly people like the ones populating this board), but it's dumb to ignore things that are largely a trend elsewhere and solely think the trends are because Disney is too woke.  

 

[RogerDodger 797]

3 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

You really wanna do this?  It's amazing how invested you are in Disney box office numbers.  Personally I really don't care, but I'm more interested in shutting up loud mouth ignorant ass holes like yourself.  So here it goes.

First we need to agree on a formula, which I'm sure we can't, because you're a douche.  There is no one formula, and studios aren't very public or accurate when it comes to the numbers, so we'll have to make some assumptions here.

Your math is (production cost + marketing) x 2 = total expense.  Seems kinda arbitrary.

From all my research, and I've been googling for about 30 mins, the generally agreed upon number is  2.5x production. https://www.reddit.com/r/boxoffice/comments/a0os16/other_thumb_rule_to_calculate_movie_profits/

 

In general, it's complicated https://gizmodo.com/how-much-money-does-a-movie-need-to-make-to-be-profitab-5747305

Another article that goes even deeper than just box office, as there are other avenues of revenue like home and merch: https://entertainmentstrategyguy.com/2019/11/20/the-great-irishman-challenge-how-to-calculate-the-feature-film-profitability-part-i/

And here is an interesting quora talking about how studios don't want to make a profit, in short that translates to profit sharing, which they want to avoid https://www.quora.com/How-does-one-calculate-the-gross-and-net-profit-of-a-filmt

So I'll admit that I didn't know much about how box office numbers worked prior to these discussions.  I don't work in the industry and it's not a hobby.  But after 30 mins of googling I'll call myself an expert now.  So now I'll correct where you are wrong.

Movie	    Gross	Prod Cost	2.5x prod	Profit
Guardians	841	     250	       625	      216
Mermaid 	543    	 250	       625        -82
Ant Man   	476	     200	       500        -24
Indiana Jo	252	     295	       737.5	  -485.5
Elemental	255	     200           500	      -245

Those are the top 5 movies from Disney for 2023 so far.

So Guardians is +216, not +140. 

Mermaid is -82, not -240.

Black Panther was released in 2022, same as Avatar which was their most successful movie in recent history.

Ant Man is -24, not -240

So the total profit for 2023 is not -170.  If you include avatar sales alone it's in the black, but again, that's technically a 2022 release (Dec 16 2022)

You also didn't include Indiana Jones and Elemental.  Indiana Jones has a tough hill to climb to break even, and Elemental is likely a bust.  I include these in full transparency, even though the numbers aren't good so far for Indy, but it's early.

I shared all this in case anyone is interested in learning more and having an honest conversation.

I fully expect your response to be along the lines of "Tiny is poor, tiny can't do math and isn't good with words, tiny is a life loser, I win", go ahead with it if you like.

Looking at the industry as a whole, I think it's still struggling from covid, theater closures, costs, people giving up on movies, etc.  And I think the whole industry might be in trouble.

Good article on that: https://kievkelvin.com/blog/why-is-the-film-industry-dying/

Disney struggling because they are woke?  That's just stupid.

also, more receipts:

https://variety.com/2023/film/news/guardians-of-the-galaxy-3-box-office-staying-power-1235605571/
https://movieweb.com/the-little-mermaid-box-office-success/
https://screenrant.com/how-much-ant-man-wasp-quantumania-cost-to-make
https://screenrant.com/indiana-jones-dial-destiny-budget-box-office-prediction/
https://screenrant.com/elemental-movie-budget-box-office-prediction/

All your research.  

You're almost there though.  Go ahead and subtract off the marketing costs which you mention, but conveniently leave out, and you got it.  

Go ahead and google _______ marketing cost and it pulls right up.  IT guy.  

1 hour ago, Sean Mooney said:

@GutterBoy...one thing to add to your numbers is the marketing cost as that will often get figured as well. Now the marketing number is not always known (and Eternal Idiot says licensing deals don't count because Disney and other companies just allow people to make products with their character IP). 

Yep.  Even this guy gets it.  

Licensing deals don't count because Gutter said "Box Office", but, he's already moving the goalposts as he just proved himself wrong.

[GutterBoy 2,898]

11 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

Attendance is down at theme parks overall too.  There has also been a conscious trend to raise prices and target the upper middle class and being ok with fewer people and less wait times.  Krystal and Saager had an interesting bit about it, I think yesterday. 

Yes, woke is driving it for some people (mostly people like the ones populating this board), but it's dumb to ignore things that are largely a trend elsewhere and solely think the trends are because Disney is too woke.  

 

Disney is down because so many people went the past 2 years, covid revenge travel plus it was the 50th anniversary.  Also Disney jacked up the prices and people are trying to save money this year with the looming recession.  It's not anti-woke, Disney is not cancelled.

[GutterBoy 2,898]

10 minutes ago, RogerDodger said:

All your research.  

You're almost there though.  Go ahead and subtract off the marketing costs which you mention, but conveniently leave out, and you got it.  

Go ahead and google _______ marketing cost and it pulls right up.  IT guy.  

Yep.  Even this guy gets it.  

Licensing deals don't count because Gutter said "Box Office", but, he's already moving the goalposts as he just proved himself wrong.

I explained the marketing costs, but you had to grasp as something to try and save face.

[RogerDodger 797]

1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

I explained the marketing costs, but you had to grasp as something to try and save face.

Nope.  I'll concede the extra 0.5 in your 2.5 (versus 2.0) is meant to cover the unknown marketing cost.  But why do that when the info is readily available.  It's more accurate to include it because, for example, Mermaid spent 140M on marketing.

Either way there is no face to be saved, you proved yourself wrong.   

[GutterBoy 2,898]

2 minutes ago, RogerDodger said:

Nope.  I'll concede the extra 0.5 in your 2.5 (versus 2.0) is meant to cover the unknown marketing cost.  But why do that when the info is readily available.  It's more accurate to include it because, for example, Mermaid spent 140M on marketing.

Either way there is no face to be saved, you proved yourself wrong.   

Because it's not readily available and when it is, it's not necessarily accurate, because studios will inflate the marketing cost as to lower their perceived profit.  Which is why the 2.5x is generally accepted as being more accurate.  Its all in my post. and you can point out anything that proves me wrong if you like. 

[TimHauck 2,667]

20 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

Inside Out 2 is coming out...

 

 

Didn’t realize this, this is my oldest son’s favorite movie.  But this seems to be destined to bomb as the first one is not that popular and it’s impossible to find Inside Out toys and such, even at Disney World.

Speaking of Disney World, was just there.  The nickel and diming of having to pay for certain rides now is pretty frustrating (plus needing to be on the app in a couple second window in order to get a spot), so could certainly see that turning some people off.  The new Guardians of the Galaxy ride might be one of the best roller coasters in the world though 

[RogerDodger 797]

Was Stange World brought up in this thread last year?  First Disney openly gay characters? 

180M plus 90M marketing.  Took in a whopping 70M at the box office.  

[RogerDodger 797]

8 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Didn’t realize this, this is my oldest son’s favorite movie.  But this seems to be destined to bomb as the first one is not that popular and it’s impossible to find Inside Out toys and such, even at Disney World.

Speaking of Disney World, was just there.  The nickel and diming of having to pay for certain rides now is pretty frustrating (plus needing to be on the app in a couple second window in order to get a spot), so could certainly see that turning some people off.  The new Guardians of the Galaxy ride might be one of the best roller coasters in the world though 

Your son's favorite is girl character with multiple personalities disorder?  Figures. So sorry you couldnt find him that doll.  

[seafoam1 2,874]

Just now, RogerDodger said:

Your son's favorite is girl character with multiple personalities disorder?  Figures. So sorry you couldnt find him that doll.  

Poor timhack. 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

9 minutes ago, RogerDodger said:

Was Stange World brought up in this thread last year?  First Disney openly gay characters? 

180M plus 90M marketing.  Took in a whopping 70M at the box office.  

Bro is obsessed with Disney movies now

[GutterBoy 2,898]

4 minutes ago, RogerDodger said:

Your son's favorite is girl character with multiple personalities disorder?  Figures. So sorry you couldnt find him that doll.  

You've seen this movie?  Or you googled it?  Either way, pathetic.

[seafoam1 2,874]

2 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Bro is obsessed with Disney movies now

You are the one sticking up for them. 

Dumbass.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,968]

16 minutes ago, RogerDodger said:

Was Stange World brought up in this thread last year?  First Disney openly gay characters? 

180M plus 90M marketing.  Took in a whopping 70M at the box office.  

If you use Mooney math, the movie was a massive success and generated at least 250 to 300 million in profit!

 

[Sean Mooney 1,956]

9 hours ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

If you use Mooney math, the movie was a massive success and generated at least 250 to 300 million in profit!

 

I appreciate that you want to keep bringing up things you are wrong about. Your devotion to making yourself look like an idiot benefits us all. 

[RogerDodger 797]

12 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

Bro is obsessed with Disney movies now

Coming from the guy that said this:

On 7/12/2023 at 6:36 AM, GutterBoy said:

From all my research

 Translation- now that you've been proven wrong, its a dumb thing to talk about.   

[Hardcore troubadour 15,139]

1 minute ago, RogerDodger said:

Coming from the guy that said this:

 Translation- now that you've been proven wrong, it a dumb thing to talk about.   

[Reality 3,121]

3 minutes ago, RogerDodger said:

Coming from the guy that said this:

 Translation- now that you've been proven wrong, it a dumb thing to talk about.   

Those dudes have absolutely zero self-awareness. 

[RogerDodger 797]

12 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

You've seen this movie?  Or you googled it?  Either way, pathetic.

If you think it's bad to take 5 seconds to Google a movie to see what it is about, check out these two losers: 

20 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Didn’t realize this, this is my oldest son’s favorite movie.  But this seems to be destined to bomb as the first one is not that popular and it’s impossible to find Inside Out toys and such, even at Disney World.

Speaking of Disney World, was just there.  The nickel and diming of having to pay for certain rides now is pretty frustrating (plus needing to be on the app in a couple second window in order to get a spot), so could certainly see that turning some people off.  The new Guardians of the Galaxy ride might be one of the best roller coasters in the world though 

 

On 7/12/2023 at 6:36 AM, GutterBoy said:

You really wanna do this?  It's amazing how invested you are in Disney box office numbers.  Personally I really don't care, but I'm more interested in shutting up loud mouth ignorant ass holes like yourself.  So here it goes.

First we need to agree on a formula, which I'm sure we can't, because you're a douche.  There is no one formula, and studios aren't very public or accurate when it comes to the numbers, so we'll have to make some assumptions here.

Your math is (production cost + marketing) x 2 = total expense.  Seems kinda arbitrary.

From all my research, and I've been googling for about 30 mins, the generally agreed upon number is  2.5x production. https://www.reddit.com/r/boxoffice/comments/a0os16/other_thumb_rule_to_calculate_movie_profits/

 

In general, it's complicated https://gizmodo.com/how-much-money-does-a-movie-need-to-make-to-be-profitab-5747305

Another article that goes even deeper than just box office, as there are other avenues of revenue like home and merch: https://entertainmentstrategyguy.com/2019/11/20/the-great-irishman-challenge-how-to-calculate-the-feature-film-profitability-part-i/

And here is an interesting quora talking about how studios don't want to make a profit, in short that translates to profit sharing, which they want to avoid https://www.quora.com/How-does-one-calculate-the-gross-and-net-profit-of-a-filmt

So I'll admit that I didn't know much about how box office numbers worked prior to these discussions.  I don't work in the industry and it's not a hobby.  But after 30 mins of googling I'll call myself an expert now.  So now I'll correct where you are wrong.

Movie	    Gross	Prod Cost	2.5x prod	Profit
Guardians	841	     250	       625	      216
Mermaid 	543    	 250	       625        -82
Ant Man   	476	     200	       500        -24
Indiana Jo	252	     295	       737.5	  -485.5
Elemental	255	     200           500	      -245

Those are the top 5 movies from Disney for 2023 so far.

So Guardians is +216, not +140. 

Mermaid is -82, not -240.

Black Panther was released in 2022, same as Avatar which was their most successful movie in recent history.

Ant Man is -24, not -240

So the total profit for 2023 is not -170.  If you include avatar sales alone it's in the black, but again, that's technically a 2022 release (Dec 16 2022)

You also didn't include Indiana Jones and Elemental.  Indiana Jones has a tough hill to climb to break even, and Elemental is likely a bust.  I include these in full transparency, even though the numbers aren't good so far for Indy, but it's early.

I shared all this in case anyone is interested in learning more and having an honest conversation.

I fully expect your response to be along the lines of "Tiny is poor, tiny can't do math and isn't good with words, tiny is a life loser, I win", go ahead with it if you like.

Looking at the industry as a whole, I think it's still struggling from covid, theater closures, costs, people giving up on movies, etc.  And I think the whole industry might be in trouble.

Good article on that: https://kievkelvin.com/blog/why-is-the-film-industry-dying/

Disney struggling because they are woke?  That's just stupid.

also, more receipts:

https://variety.com/2023/film/news/guardians-of-the-galaxy-3-box-office-staying-power-1235605571/
https://movieweb.com/the-little-mermaid-box-office-success/
https://screenrant.com/how-much-ant-man-wasp-quantumania-cost-to-make
https://screenrant.com/indiana-jones-dial-destiny-budget-box-office-prediction/
https://screenrant.com/elemental-movie-budget-box-office-prediction/

"From all my research"  

 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

12 minutes ago, RogerDodger said:

If you think it's bad to take 5 seconds to Google a movie to see what it is about, check out these two losers: 

 

"From all my research"  

 

Proving a retarded blowhard like you wrong, worth doing some digging, plus I learned something which is always good

Googling a Disney movie to learn about character back stories so you can make fun of the child of a poster here?  Pathetic.  But from you it's expected.

[TimHauck 2,667]

12 hours ago, RogerDodger said:

Your son's favorite is girl character with multiple personalities disorder?  Figures. So sorry you couldnt find him that doll.  

He’s 7, and was probably 5 when it became his favorite movie, honestly he might not be as crazy about it anymore.  Sure it’s no “Sound of Freedom,” but I don’t think it’s really a girls movie or anything, the girl isn’t really the main character, the emotions are.

Good thing you don’t have any kids.  They’d probably kill themselves with you as their dad.