The ugly truth behind the racist monkeypox

[TimHauck 2,851]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Maybe. It happens. Sometimes it’s rape. 

You could have just said that when I posted the link.

[TimHauck 2,851]

4 minutes ago, Horseman said:

Ok. That wasnt a requirement.  

Now that you've been proven wrong go ahead and move the goalposts to why it matters or something.  

Read my edit.  I addressed your incorrect paraphrasing of my claim.

[WhiteWonder 2,734]

12 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Huh?  My point is I don’t think it exists, but I’d be glad to be proven wrong.  

You think he understands points?  

[Horseman 2,449]

9 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

He didn’t “discover the disease,” learn to read.

Let me clarify what I meant. 

Quote

 

"He was the first case of monkeypox in Nigeria in 38 years," Ogoina says. Over the next few months, he and his colleagues detected more than 20 additional cases at their clinic.

Now scientists, including Ogoina, are just starting to realize this little boy was another first, not just for Nigeria, but also for the entire world. He was the first known case of the international monkeypox outbreak, currently spreading in 78 countries.

 

 

[TimHauck 2,851]

1 minute ago, Horseman said:

Let me clarify what I meant. 

 

Cool, he didn’t discover the disease though.

[TimHauck 2,851]

7 minutes ago, Horseman said:

LOL

So you think the health care worker had sex with the monkeypox patient too?

[Horseman 2,449]

3 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

So you think the health care worker had sex with the monkeypox patient too?

No. That's your red herring. And I hope the little boy wasnt raped either. That doesnt change the fact that it was and apparently still is spread primarily by gay men having sex.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,403]

5 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

So you think the health care worker had sex with the monkeypox patient too?

Have you been able to confirm they haven’t? 

[Horseman 2,449]

Hmmm. Let's see, why would Hack or anyone else be so bothered about the fact that it's a disease spread by gay men. Oh.....

[TimHauck 2,851]

In all seriousness, a more plausible explanation is probably that it’s spread through fecal matter.  Could explain why it’s spread primarily (but not completely) by gay men, and could also explain the health care worker getting it if they had to handle any of the patient’s poop.

[Horseman 2,449]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

In all seriousness, a more plausible explanation is probably that it’s spread through fecal matter.  Could explain why it’s spread primarily (but not completely) by gay men, and could also explain the health care worker getting it if they had to handle any of the patient’s poop.

 

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 "They had very extensive genital lesions. Very, very extensive,"

Just make them wear double condoms and dont touch anything with your hands. You'll be good. 

[TimHauck 2,851]

3 minutes ago, Horseman said:

 

Just make them wear double condoms and dont touch anything with your hands. You'll be good. 

Do you think your quote disproves my post somehow?

[Gepetto 1,367]

16 minutes ago, Horseman said:

No. That's your red herring. And I hope the little boy wasnt raped either. That doesnt change the fact that it was and apparently still is spread primarily by gay men having sex.  

The 11 year old boy got it from his male relative.  The boy had lesions in his mouth. 

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2022/07/28/1114183886/a-doctor-in-nigeria-tried-to-warn-the-world-that-monkeypox-had-become-a-global-t

[Horseman 2,449]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Do you think your quote disproves my post somehow?

My bad. I was wrong. 

CDC says you are going to have to stand 6 feet apart and masturbate. Hes going to have to imagine his hand is your mouth. 

[Horseman 2,449]

6 minutes ago, Gepetto said:

The 11 year old boy got it from his male relative.  The boy had lesions in his mouth. 

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2022/07/28/1114183886/a-doctor-in-nigeria-tried-to-warn-the-world-that-monkeypox-had-become-a-global-t

That's exactly what Hack is trying to avoid.  

[TimHauck 2,851]

2 minutes ago, Horseman said:

My bad. I was wrong. 

CDC says you are going to have to stand 6 feet apart and masturbate. Hes going to have to imagine his hand is your mouth. 

So yes you do think you’ve disproven my post?

[TimHauck 2,851]

8 minutes ago, Gepetto said:

The 11 year old boy got it from his male relative.  The boy had lesions in his mouth. 

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2022/07/28/1114183886/a-doctor-in-nigeria-tried-to-warn-the-world-that-monkeypox-had-become-a-global-t

If you read the linked study, it says the boys brother, father, mother and uncle all got it.  I’d believe it was all through sex if the list didn’t include both the father and uncle.  Theoretically possible, but doubtful IMO.

[Gepetto 1,367]

25 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

If you read the linked study, it says the boys brother, father, mother and uncle all got it.  I’d believe it was all through sex if the list didn’t include both the father and uncle.  Theoretically possible, but doubtful IMO.

Oh you know the sexual and non-sexual behaviors of this particular family in Africa?  Tell me about your extensive knowledge of the way of life in Africa in this particular community and more specifically this family?

Also from that article: 

But a few weeks after diagnosing the young boy, Ogoina started to become concerned – quite concerned. The outbreak in Nigeria began to grow rapidly. Cases cropped up in counties not just near this one boy but all over. "Suddenly, we were seeing cases appear across the country," Ogoina says.

The virus seemed to be spreading further and faster than expected. And it wasn't infecting kids but rather men in their 20s and 30s. "Young, active men were getting monkeypox," Ogoina says. "It was very unusual at that time."

These men also didn't fit the typical profile for monkeypox patients. They weren't hunting or handling animals but instead were middle-class men, living in busy, modern cities. Ogoina wondered: "Why isn't it affecting children? Or females? Or the elderly? Why are we seeing only young men, ages 20 to 40?" (In fact, Ogoina and his colleague eventually figured out that the young boy didn't even catch the virus from an animal but rather from a male relative in his household.)

And the rashes that affected these patients weren't in the typical places where monkeypox struck. Instead of being on their face and extremities, the blisteres occurred around their genitals. "They had very extensive genital lesions. Very, very extensive," Ogoina says.

Ogoina and his colleagues started to investigate these patients further. "We decided to do a sexual history assessment of some of the cases," he says. That assessment found that many of the patients had high-risk sexual behaviors, including multiple partners and sex with prostitutes.

So there was a huge realization: The virus had changed. For the first time, it was spreading through sexual contact. Ogoina and his colleagues even mentioned the idea in study published in 2019: "Although the role of sexual transmission of human monkeypox is not established, sexual transmission is plausible in some of these patients through close, skin-to-skin contact during sexual intercourse or by transmission via genital secretions," Ogoina and his colleagues wrote in the journal PLOS One.

Ogoina knew this shift in transmission had massive implications. It meant the monkeypox virus could more easily spread from person to person, that it no longer needed to jump from an animal into people. That it could possibly sustain human-to-human transmission in a way that it couldn't before. That meant the outbreak in Nigeria would be much more difficult to stop. It could possibly go on for years and eventually spill over into other countries. In many ways, the findings meant that monkeypox was no longer just a threat to communities in West and Central Africa but also a potential threat to the world.

Over the past few years, Ogoina says he has tried to warn health officials and scientists repeatedly that monkeypox had changed and was possibly spreading through sexual contact. At one international meeting, he tried to bring up the possibility of sexual transmission. Somebody told him to be quiet.

"Yes, someone told me that I should not say it. That I should not say sexual transmission is possible," Ogoina recalls with exasperation in his voice. "He told me, 'We should not worry about sexual transmission.' "

 

[TimHauck 2,851]

15 minutes ago, Gepetto said:

Oh you know the sexual and non-sexual behaviors of this particular family in Africa?  Tell me about your extensive knowledge of the way of life in Africa in this particular community and more specifically this family?

Also from that article: 

But a few weeks after diagnosing the young boy, Ogoina started to become concerned – quite concerned. The outbreak in Nigeria began to grow rapidly. Cases cropped up in counties not just near this one boy but all over. "Suddenly, we were seeing cases appear across the country," Ogoina says.

The virus seemed to be spreading further and faster than expected. And it wasn't infecting kids but rather men in their 20s and 30s. "Young, active men were getting monkeypox," Ogoina says. "It was very unusual at that time."

These men also didn't fit the typical profile for monkeypox patients. They weren't hunting or handling animals but instead were middle-class men, living in busy, modern cities. Ogoina wondered: "Why isn't it affecting children? Or females? Or the elderly? Why are we seeing only young men, ages 20 to 40?" (In fact, Ogoina and his colleague eventually figured out that the young boy didn't even catch the virus from an animal but rather from a male relative in his household.)

And the rashes that affected these patients weren't in the typical places where monkeypox struck. Instead of being on their face and extremities, the blisteres occurred around their genitals. "They had very extensive genital lesions. Very, very extensive," Ogoina says.

Ogoina and his colleagues started to investigate these patients further. "We decided to do a sexual history assessment of some of the cases," he says. That assessment found that many of the patients had high-risk sexual behaviors, including multiple partners and sex with prostitutes.

So there was a huge realization: The virus had changed. For the first time, it was spreading through sexual contact. Ogoina and his colleagues even mentioned the idea in study published in 2019: "Although the role of sexual transmission of human monkeypox is not established, sexual transmission is plausible in some of these patients through close, skin-to-skin contact during sexual intercourse or by transmission via genital secretions," Ogoina and his colleagues wrote in the journal PLOS One.

Ogoina knew this shift in transmission had massive implications. It meant the monkeypox virus could more easily spread from person to person, that it no longer needed to jump from an animal into people. That it could possibly sustain human-to-human transmission in a way that it couldn't before. That meant the outbreak in Nigeria would be much more difficult to stop. It could possibly go on for years and eventually spill over into other countries. In many ways, the findings meant that monkeypox was no longer just a threat to communities in West and Central Africa but also a potential threat to the world.

Over the past few years, Ogoina says he has tried to warn health officials and scientists repeatedly that monkeypox had changed and was possibly spreading through sexual contact. At one international meeting, he tried to bring up the possibility of sexual transmission. Somebody told him to be quiet.

"Yes, someone told me that I should not say it. That I should not say sexual transmission is possible," Ogoina recalls with exasperation in his voice. "He told me, 'We should not worry about sexual transmission.' "

 

Is it common for brothers or brothers-in-law to have sex with each other in Nigeria?

[Gepetto 1,367]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Is it common for brothers or brothers-in-law to have sex with each other in Nigeria?

What point are you trying to make?  That 5% of cases of this current outbreak of monkeypox is not from male sexual contact?  Fine, it probably can be transmitted by human secretions, semen, fecal matter, blood, that's entirely possible.  It seems it's primarily an STD spread by gay sex or in any case by sex mostly among men with multiple partners, especially gay, orgies, and/or hookers.

[TimHauck 2,851]

6 minutes ago, Gepetto said:

What point are you trying to make?  That 5% of cases of this current outbreak of monkeypox is not from male sexual contact?  

Yeah pretty much.  And I never denied it was primarily spread by gay men, even said the CDC should do more to make that fact known:

Edit:  my other point was that I was surprised there wasn’t already more of a consensus on how It’s spread since it’s been around for decades.  But the answer to that is it seems the current version (a “variant,” if you will) is different from the prior one(s).

[easilyscan 924]

For the love of God people, quit the asinine arguing about which group it affects most.

We all know which group that is.  Can't remember who said it recently (possibly craftsman) the anus is the human bodies garbage disposal.

If you insist on exploring that area sexually, take the necessary precautions or STFU. 

These are the people I'm referring to in the previous sentence.

https://abc7news.com/monkeypox-outbreak-vaccine-sf-protest-rally/12059559/

 

[avoiding injuries 1,580]

Reading pg 2 of this thread and I’m guessing we have our first geek club monkeypox patient. 

[TimmySmith 2,782]

8 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Is it common for brothers or brothers-in-law to have sex with each other in Nigeria?

In Nigeria I'd say brothers are the primary demographic.  

[supermike80 1,906]

10 hours ago, TimHauck said:

So you think the health care worker had sex with the patient, got it.  

Dude....Are you dense or something?  Is it all possible, and this is just a shot in the dark, that the guy had gay sex with someone other than the patient then made up the rest?   I mean that isn't possible right?   Oy vay

[supermike80 1,906]

8 hours ago, Gepetto said:

What point are you trying to make?  That 5% of cases of this current outbreak of monkeypox is not from male sexual contact?  Fine, it probably can be transmitted by human secretions, semen, fecal matter, blood, that's entirely possible.  It seems it's primarily an STD spread by gay sex or in any case by sex mostly among men with multiple partners, especially gay, orgies, and/or hookers.

He's also proving that he believes people don't lie about gay sex I guess.   

[Horseman 2,449]

Hack is gay. 100% 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,403]

Hack doesn’t understand the scientific method. In the SM, you eliminate the most likely cause first. 

[TimHauck 2,851]

2 hours ago, supermike80 said:

Dude....Are you dense or something?  Is it all possible, and this is just a shot in the dark, that the guy had gay sex with someone other than the patient then made up the rest?   I mean that isn't possible right?   Oy vay

Did you read the article (I’m gonna go out on a limb and say no)?  There were only 3 known cases in the UK at the time, the first 2 were people traveling between Nigeria and the UK, and the health care worker was the third.  Sure, it’s theoretically possible they got it elsewhere in the community, but a lot more likely they got it from the patient they were treating, dummy.

[craftsman 1,045]

2 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Did you read the article (I’m gonna go out on a limb and say no)?  There were only 3 known cases in the UK at the time, the first 2 were people traveling between Nigeria and the UK, and the health care worker was the third.  Sure, it’s theoretically possible they got it elsewhere in the community, but a lot more likely they got it from the patient they were treating, dummy.

ghey secks.

[TimHauck 2,851]

Just now, craftsman said:

ghey secks.

Between the healthcare worker and the patient?

[craftsman 1,045]

4 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Between the healthcare worker and the patient?

Ohhh, did they post the exact time that the person contracted the disease?

Ghey secks.

[TimmySmith 2,782]

12 hours ago, Gepetto said:

The 11 year old boy got it from his male relative.  The boy had lesions in his mouth. 

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2022/07/28/1114183886/a-doctor-in-nigeria-tried-to-warn-the-world-that-monkeypox-had-become-a-global-t

The virus seemed to be spreading further and faster than expected. And it wasn't infecting kids but rather men in their 20s and 30s. "Young, active men were getting monkeypox," Ogoina says. "It was very unusual at that time."

These men also didn't fit the typical profile for monkeypox patients. They weren't hunting or handling animals but instead were middle-class men, living in busy, modern cities. Ogoina wondered: "Why isn't it affecting children? Or females? Or the elderly? Why are we seeing only young men, ages 20 to 40?" (In fact, Ogoina and his colleague eventually figured out that the young boy didn't even catch the virus from an animal but rather from a male relative in his household.)

Huh? I wonder how it turned out? 

[supermike80 1,906]

19 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Did you read the article (I’m gonna go out on a limb and say no)?  There were only 3 known cases in the UK at the time, the first 2 were people traveling between Nigeria and the UK, and the health care worker was the third.  Sure, it’s theoretically possible they got it elsewhere in the community, but a lot more likely they got it from the patient they were treating, dummy.

Really dummy?  So NO chance he had gay sex with someone who hadn't been diagnosed yet?   See how it works is, lots of times people have the disease before it is actually diagnosed.   You know?   Not a possibility?   Jesus Christ

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

Perhaps the health care worker was caring for those two Nigerian gentlemen because he was sympathetic to their plight being a member of their sub-community himself.  Perhaps not.  Who knows.  Not worth arguing about.  The disease itself is not dependant upon male DNA.  The disease is not gay.  The primary transmission mechanism strongly favors behavior far more prevelant in the gay community.  Just like Aids.  Anybody can get it but statistically it is far, far more prevelant in the sub-community.

[MDC 7,405]

9 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

The dedease itself is not dependant upon male DNA.  The desease is not gay.  The primary transmission mechanism strongly favors behavior far more prevelant in the gay community.  Just like Aids.  Anybody can get it but statistically it is far, far more prevelant in the sib-community.

100% correct. 

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

1 minute ago, MDC said:

100% correct. 

Well except for my typos.

[craftsman 1,045]

ghey secks disease

[Horseman 2,449]

6 minutes ago, craftsman said:

ghey secks disease

High likelihood at least one of Hack's boyfriends has it.  

[TimmySmith 2,782]

36 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

 The disease itself is not dependant upon male DNA.  The disease is not gay.  The primary transmission mechanism strongly favors behavior far more prevelant in the gay community.  Just like Aids.  Anybody can get it but statistically it is far, far more prevelant in the sub-community.

Maybe.  The fact is there is no known DNA connection to homosexuality, so the science right now is living a gay lifestyle is a choice.  However, that doesn't mean there isn't a DNA link.  So, for now, this is a lifestyle disease. I think we are all in agreement with that.