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Worked for decades to get it done, now the two-faced b1tches can’t even stand by it?? :wacko:


 

In Wisconsin, Tim Michels, a Republican running for governor, promised activists that he would never “flip-flop” on his support for an 1849 law that bans abortion except when a woman’s life is threatened. Less than three weeks later, he changed his stance.

In the Phoenix suburbs, staffers whisked away Juan Ciscomani, a Republican House candidate, citing an urgent text, after he was asked by a voter whether he supported abortion bans.

And in New Hampshire, Don Bolduc, the Republican running for Senate, described abortion as a distraction from the “really important issues.”one guy 

In races across the nation, Republican candidates are waffling on their abortion positions, denying past behavior or simply trying to avoid a topic that has long been a bedrock principle of American conservatism. Less than a month before the midterm elections on Nov. 8, the party lacks a unified policy on abortion, unable to broadly adopt a consistent response in the three and a half months since the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade.

Republican positioning on abortion drew renewed attention last week, when Herschel Walker, the party’s Senate nominee in Georgia, was accused by an ex-girlfriend of paying forone abortion and unsuccessfully urging her to get a second one. Mr. Walker takes a hard-line stance against the procedure, supporting abortion bans with no exceptions for rape, incest or to save the life of the mother.

For decades, Republicans pushed to overturn federal abortion rights, viewing the issue as an easy rallying cry to identify with a culturally conservative base. Focusing on the country’s highest court allowed them to largely avoid difficult, life-or-death issues — life-threatening pregnancy complications, exceptions for child rape, diagnoses of rare and fatal conditions in fetuses. And given that few voters fully believed Roe would be overturned, they were rarely pressed on the specifics of their views.

The court ruled in June that each state can formulate its own abortion policy, exactly what small-government conservatives had long wanted. But it had another consequence, plunging the party into months of politically toxic debates.

“You hear some of these Republican state legislators, and it’s like, for the first time they are thinking about this and realize that this is a complicated issue with lots and lots of circumstances that are not black and white,” said Christine Matthews, a pollster who has worked for Republicans. “A lot of these male legislators are realizing, ‘Oh, this is really hard to legislate.’”

To escape some of those difficult questions, many Republican candidates have been trying to avoid the debate altogether. For weeks, some Republicans have been erasing sections about abortion from their websites, changing their positions on state bans and trying to refocus the national conversation on inflation, crime and the country’s southern border.

“I do believe it’s caught them slightly off guard with just how bad an issue this is for them,” said Sarah Longwell, an anti-Trump Republican strategist who leads focus groups. “The party has opted for changing the conversation entirely because abortion is just bad terrain for them.”

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my first thought is that politicians try to appeal to the base during the primaries but as they get closer to the general election, they move to the middle to try to pick up voters on the fence.  once the election is over, they go back to their normal positions.  happens a lot.  ive seen it a ton.

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Man that are so concerned about access to abortion come off as phony. I don’t think they really care that much deep down.  Not the religious fanatics. They really do care. But the pro choice men? Fake. 

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How odd that there is some sudden recognition that politicians pander, but I guess welcome to the party?  :dunno:

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8 minutes ago, RLLD said:

How odd that there is some sudden recognition that politicians pander, but I guess welcome to the party?  :dunno:

I just think it’s odd, it’s your greatest accomplishment in decades—maybe ever—and you can’t even defend it? Seems weird. Why not say “hell yeah we’re gonna make abortion illegal and accomplish a bunch of other right wing stuff too!! :overhead:

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2 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

I just think it’s odd, it’s your greatest accomplishment in decades.

What specific accomplishment are you referring to?

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Just now, Fireballer said:

What specific accomplishment are you referring to?

Overturning Roe v Wade, packing the supreme court for years and years to pull it off

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3 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

I just think it’s odd, it’s your greatest accomplishment in decades—maybe ever—and you can’t even defend it? Seems weird. Why not say “hell yeah we’re gonna make abortion illegal and accomplish a bunch of other right wing stuff too!! :overhead:

The TDS has your mind so wrapped up in hatred you don't see what's been going on around you.

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3 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Overturning Roe v Wade, packing the supreme court for years and years to pull it off

Biden just put a black woman on the SC who literally doesn't know what the definition of a woman is. And she is able to cast votes on women's topics. 

What a genius you are for thinking those are the types of people who should be on the SC. 

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2 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Overturning Roe v Wade, packing the supreme court for years and years to pull it off

It wasn't "overturned", it was pushed down to the state level.  Had the Supreme Court "overturned" it, they'd have made abortions illegal.

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Just now, TBayXXXVII said:

It wasn't "overturned", it was pushed down to the state level.  Had the Supreme Court "overturned" it, they'd have made abortions illegal.

Mostly wrong.

It was definitely overturned.

The result is that, yes, states can now make abortion illegal (and many are). A federal abortion ban is also possible and some have pushed for that as well.

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2 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Overturning Roe v Wade, packing the supreme court for years and years to pull it off

Packed it for years and years? Trump appointed three of them. Your hero RBG can be thanked for that. 

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1 minute ago, IGotWorms said:

Mostly wrong.

It was definitely overturned.

The result is that, yes, states can now make abortion illegal (and many are). A federal abortion ban is also possible and some have pushed for that as well.

Wrong, but that's ok.

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Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

Packed it for years and years? Trump appointed three of them. Your hero RBG can be thanked for that. 

RBG ain’t my hero, she was a selfish idiot who should have retired years ago. McConnell can also be thanked too for stealing the Garland appointment, and Obama can be thanked for taking it like a b1tch.

But no, you’re wrong, goes back further than that. See Alito and Thomas :doh:

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Just now, TBayXXXVII said:

Wrong, but that's ok.

No it’s not. You obviously don’t know what you’re talking about, so put up or shut up

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9 minutes ago, craftsman said:

The TDS has your mind so wrapped up in hatred you don't see what's been going on around you.

Conservative bot activated

Beep Boop Bop TDS TDS TDS Beep Boop Bop. 

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Because abortion bans are only popular with the kind of incel neckbeards who vote in GOP primaries. The normals don’t want 10 y/o girls to have to carry their rapists babies to term like human incubators.

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4 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

RBG ain’t my hero, she was a selfish idiot who should have retired years ago. McConnell can also be thanked too for stealing the Garland appointment, and Obama can be thanked for taking it like a b1tch.

But no, you’re wrong, goes back further than that. See Alito and Thomas :doh:

Clinton got 2, bush got 2 , Obama got 2. Trump got three. That’s 9. Stop with the “packing “ nonsense. Who are they supposed to appoint? Judges they don’t align with? And I wouldn’t count John Roberts as much of a conservative.  I love how you say packing when it’s just picking. Like they all do. But it’s only packing on one side I guess. Warped mind. 

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1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Clinton got 2, bush got 2 , Obama got 2. Trump got three. That’s 9. Stop with the “packing “ nonsense. Who are they supposed to appoint? Judges they don’t align with? And I wouldn’t count John Roberts as much of a conservative.  I love how you say packing when it’s just picking. Like they all do. But it’s only packing on one side I guess. Warped mind. 

I don’t know why you’re fighting me, I’m saying it’s impressive.

For decades they’ve wanted a Court that overturned Roe v Wade and they finally did it.

Wow, good job! Now why are you running from it? :wacko:

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10 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Clinton got 2, bush got 2 , Obama got 2. Trump got three. That’s 9. Stop with the “packing “ nonsense. Who are they supposed to appoint? Judges they don’t align with? And I wouldn’t count John Roberts as much of a conservative.  I love how you say packing when it’s just picking. Like they all do. But it’s only packing on one side I guess. Warped mind. 

So, the first 3 guys you mentioned got 1 every 4 years...and the last guy got, hmm, can someone help me with the math?

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25 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Mostly wrong.

It was definitely overturned.

The result is that, yes, states can now make abortion illegal (and many are). A federal abortion ban is also possible and some have pushed for that as well.

As you have pushed in this thread, it appears many States postured but we'll see where it ends up.  We will not see a Federal Ban because the Court just got the feds out of the abortion biz. 

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Just now, TimmySmith said:

As you have pushed in this thread, it appears many States postured but we'll see where it ends up.  We will not see a Federal Ban because the Court just got the feds out of the abortion biz. 

I doubt the votes would be there for a federal ban, although I also never really believed Roe v Wade would be overturned and I was wrong about that.

But if the votes are there, it could absolutely be done and nothing the Court said would change that.

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36 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Overturning Roe v Wade, packing the supreme court for years and years to pull it off

Hmmm...I guess righting a constitutional wrong isn't embraced by all.  I know you're mostly trolling here, but whatever.

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This just underscores what this country wants more of: moderates/centrists, reasonable people who can carefully weight all sides of an issue, make well-informed decisions and exercise compromise for the good of the country.

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43 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

I just think it’s odd, it’s your greatest accomplishment in decades—maybe ever—and you can’t even defend it? Seems weird. Why not say “hell yeah we’re gonna make abortion illegal and accomplish a bunch of other right wing stuff too!! :overhead:

I am going to try to help you here.  Politicians lie.  I know....I know...its hard to imagine, but they do.  We at one time could trust the media to call out those lies, to chase them, pursue the liar and expose.  Now we are left with partisan media outlets and everybody calling the others the liars.

The protections we once enjoyed from the media is lost.  THAT is the biggest problem we have.  Now these politicians are elevated to hero status. 

All of them are doing it, they all need to be held accountable, but presently that accountability is lopsided, and needs to be fixed. 

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I don't want to get in the way of a good fishing trip but, the OP doesn't even know what packing the court means.

This thread is embarrassing on several levels...

:doh:

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Because it's a political loser. But in the end, most people want some abortion rights for women and just disagree on when it should become illegal. As always, there are radicals on both sides but I'd bet most people can agree it'd be sometime in the 1st half of the 2nd trimester.

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16 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

I doubt the votes would be there for a federal ban, although I also never really believed Roe v Wade would be overturned and I was wrong about that.

But if the votes are there, it could absolutely be done and nothing the Court said would change that.

RvW was bad law, but none of us thought the SC would ever have the balls to overturn it.  You act like these judges are out for vengeance.  Won't be done and the votes are there. 

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41 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

So, the first 3 guys you mentioned got 1 every 4 years...and the last guy got, hmm, can someone help me with the math?

So that’s packing the court? Which is the point I’m making. Should they pick a centrist when it’s their turn to pick them if it creates an Imbalance? It’s just picking, not packing. 

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Nothing like a bunch of old men arguing about abortion :doh: 🍿 

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31 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said:

This just underscores what this country wants more of: moderates/centrists, reasonable people who can carefully weight all sides of an issue, make well-informed decisions and exercise compromise for the good of the country.

Yup. Name some and I’ll consider them. 

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35 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Hmmm...I guess righting a constitutional wrong isn't embraced by all.  I know you're mostly trolling here, but whatever.

I’m not trolling at all. Own it! You scored a huge win!! I’m jealous 

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4 minutes ago, edjr said:

Nothing like a bunch of old men arguing about abortion :doh: 🍿 

ed the third is sitting right next to me in heaven and wants you to know you aren't funny, and you aren't ever getting in here.  :nono:

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11 minutes ago, Baby Jeebus said:

ed the third is sitting right next to me in heaven and wants you to know you aren't funny, and you aren't ever getting in here.  :nono:

:first: 

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1 hour ago, IGotWorms said:

No it’s not. You obviously don’t know what you’re talking about, so put up or shut up

Was Abortion legal before RvW?  No

Was Abortion legal during RvW?  Yes

Is Abortion legal now, post RvW, where it's at the state level?  Yes

 

Not really sure how this is even debatable.

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Just now, TBayXXXVII said:

Was Abortion legal before RvW?  No

Was Abortion legal during RvW?  Yes

Is Abortion legal now, post RvW, where it's at the state level?  Yes

 

Not really sure how this is even debatable.

He doesn't know what packing the court means. What do you think you are going to convince him of? Serious question.

:dunno:

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9 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Was Abortion legal before RvW?  No

Was Abortion legal during RvW?  Yes

Is Abortion legal now, post RvW, where it's at the state level?  Yes

 

Not really sure how this is even debatable.

So funny that you guys try to downplay your own crowning achievement.

Just goes to show — deep down, you know the American people don’t want the trash you’re selling.

Never have, never will.

But the marketing is pretty impressive, I’ll give you that :first:

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52 minutes ago, Brad GLuckman said:

Because it's a political loser. But in the end, most people want some abortion rights for women and just disagree on when it should become illegal. As always, there are radicals on both sides but I'd bet most people can agree it'd be sometime in the 1st half of the 2nd trimester.

I'm pro-life, but I'm fine with abortion at any time, as long as the person who's getting it... is paying for it.

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