craftsman 1,045 Posted November 7, 2022 10 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Yeah but what actions did he actually take? Calling the media fake news and having pissing matches isnt authoritarian unless he did something. You’re in tatters because he said something. Saying isn’t doing. So what did he do? Told you. Just a bunch of made up shlt. Tried to steal and election? Another example of the left doing things and blaming the right for it. Fear mongering? Talk about Biden... "It's going to be a dark winter." Of course that might of been his campaign promise. Can't tell the difference. And why would anyone be offended by him saying any enemy of him is an enemy of the people. Why would Americans consider themselves enemies of the country? TDS has so twisted Rusty's peanut brain that he needs to be put to sleep. There is no recovering from this for him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pimpadeaux 2,406 Posted November 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Yeah but what actions did he actually take? Calling the media fake news and having pissing matches isnt authoritarian unless he did something. You’re in tatters because he said something. Saying isn’t doing. So what did he do? Lord, you're thick and tedious. I spell it all out for you, and you still deflect and refuse to believe facts, such as a bunch of frivolous lawsuits that went nowhere, with him fully knowing he lost the election. What "actions" did Hitler actually take as he rose to power? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,401 Posted November 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said: Lord, you're thick and tedious. I spell it all out for you, and you still deflect and refuse to believe facts, such as a bunch of frivolous lawsuits that went nowhere, with him fully knowing he lost the election. What "actions" did Hitler actually take as he rose to power? So but for Trump losing an election he was on his way to being Hitler? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pimpadeaux 2,406 Posted November 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: So but for Trump losing an election he was on his way to being Hitler? He's right out of the Hitler playbook. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,401 Posted November 7, 2022 11 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said: He's right out of the Hitler playbook. So why did he leave? Would Hitler have left? Did Hitler allow himself to be investigated and impeached? Media to attack him to his face everyday? Actors talk about and portray his death? You live in a sad fantasy land. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craftsman 1,045 Posted November 7, 2022 Biden is the one who stifles free speech and sends the DOJ against his opponents. He also refuses to answer questions that are not cherry picked. Trump stood up in front of the people and answered everything. He just hurt their feelings by correctly telling some of the questioners they are full of shlt. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,401 Posted November 7, 2022 Just now, craftsman said: Biden is the one who stifles free speech and sends the DOJ against his opponents. He also refuses to answer questions that are cherry picked. Trump stood up in front of the people and answered everything. He just hurt their feelings by correctly telling some of the questioners they are full of shlt. Trump! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,401 Posted November 7, 2022 1 minute ago, craftsman said: Biden is the one who stifles free speech and sends the DOJ against his opponents. He also refuses to answer questions that are cherry picked. Trump stood up in front of the people and answered everything. He just hurt their feelings by correctly telling some of the questioners they are full of shlt. Imagine if Trump had called Antifa a threat and set the DOJ on them? Biden does that to parents for yelling. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craftsman 1,045 Posted November 7, 2022 Just now, MDC said: Trump! Yeah, you and your liberal cohorts express that quite often. Settle down Tiffany. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craftsman 1,045 Posted November 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Imagine if Trump had called Antifa a threat and set the DOJ on them? Biden does that to parents for yelling. Liberals ignore reality. There is no other explanation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pimpadeaux 2,406 Posted November 7, 2022 12 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: So why did he leave? Would Hitler have left? Did Hitler allow himself to be investigated and impeached? Media to attack him to his face everyday? Actors talk about and portray his death? You live in a sad fantasy land. Go study up on history and how Hitler rose to power and get back to me. He demonized the Jews, took advantage of disgruntled Germans, became a mesmerizing speaker and seduced the people with an idea of authority flowing down from a supreme leader, abolishing democracy along the way. Clownzo attempted to destroy democracy by doing whatever he could to circumnavigate it and remain in power. MAGAtards would like nothing more than a sham "election" system like Russia has to keep the likes of Clownzo in power. But Clownzo isn't as smart, influential and opportunistic as Hitler was, and for now we have a system geared to keep him from becoming the dictator he wants to be. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,401 Posted November 7, 2022 10 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said: Go study up on history and how Hitler rose to power and get back to me. He demonized the Jews, took advantage of disgruntled Germans, became a mesmerizing speaker and seduced the people with an idea of authority flowing down from a supreme leader, abolishing democracy along the way. Clownzo attempted to destroy democracy by doing whatever he could to circumnavigate it and remain in power. MAGAtards would like nothing more than a sham "election" system like Russia has to keep the likes of Clownzo in power. But Clownzo isn't as smart, influential and opportunistic as Hitler was, and for now we have a system geared to keep him from becoming the dictator he wants to be. Trump wasn’t rising to power. He had the power. So WTF are you talking about? What did he do when he had all the power? He didn’t even stop people from protesting and destroying things in front of the White House, never mind in the rest of the country. You’re delusional. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pimpadeaux 2,406 Posted November 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Trump wasn’t rising to power. He had the power. So WTF are you talking about? What did he do when he had all the power? He blew it by being himself. The last two presidential elections have been about voting against the perceived lesser of two evils. Clownzo already is calling DeShittus "Desanctimonious," the 2024 primaries are going to see the Republitards tearing themselves apart. Can't wait! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craftsman 1,045 Posted November 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said: He blew it by being himself. The last two presidential elections have been about voting against the perceived lesser of two evils. Clownzo already is calling DeShittus "Desanctimonious," the 2024 primaries are going to see the Republitards tearing themselves apart. Can't wait! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,401 Posted November 7, 2022 2 minutes ago, Pimpadeaux said: He blew it by being himself. The last two presidential elections have been about voting against the perceived lesser of two evils. Clownzo already is calling DeShittus "Desanctimonious," the 2024 primaries are going to see the Republitards tearing themselves apart. Can't wait! Great. Still waiting to hear about all the authoritarian things he did, not the ones you imagined he would do if he only had four more years. I guess he was setting it up and then he would have built the concentration camps. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pimpadeaux 2,406 Posted November 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Great. Still waiting to hear about all the authoritarian things he did, not the ones you imagined he would do if he only had four more years. I guess he was setting it up and then he would have built the concentration camps. Already told you. Get off here and take your wife for ice cream or something. She'll appreciate it! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craftsman 1,045 Posted November 7, 2022 Rusty is like Rachel Maddow. When Trump is president there are poor innocent children at the border who are thrown evilly into dungeon like torturous cages. When Obama and Biden are president they are innocent lovely immigrants going through a simple loving process to start a new life. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pimpadeaux 2,406 Posted November 7, 2022 8 minutes ago, craftsman said: Rusty is like Rachel Maddow. When Trump is president there are poor innocent children at the border who are thrown evilly into dungeon like torturous cages. When Obama and Biden are president they are innocent lovely immigrants going through a simple loving process to start a new life. You're almost up to third-grader-level posting. Perhaps with a Herculean effort you can achieve fourth grade, but I wouldn't bet on it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lickin_starfish 1,935 Posted November 7, 2022 Any race that isn't called on election night needs a full and transparent audit. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,230 Posted November 7, 2022 31 minutes ago, lickin_starfish said: Any race that isn't called on election night needs a full and transparent audit. I can get behind this completely. Further, if other democracies can do this I think we can as well. It seems as though there is something afoot when they insist on delaying. I think it is a suitable hedge against all sides cheating. I think we could easily find people cheating irrespective of party affiliation. While we cannot eradicate it, right now, we should be able to mute it enough to ensure it does not sway the outcome. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sean Mooney 1,983 Posted November 7, 2022 The problem with that idea is this: Everyone wants state's rights and government out of everything so there is no national mandate as to how to count mail-in ballots or any of that stuff. So every state has their own process and because of it some vote totals come in later making people believe it is "illegitimate" when in reality it is how it was always done. It doesn't mean it is illegitimate though no matter how many times Trump or the other election deniers say it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,230 Posted November 7, 2022 7 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said: The problem with that idea is this: Everyone wants state's rights and government out of everything so there is no national mandate as to how to count mail-in ballots or any of that stuff. So every state has their own process and because of it some vote totals come in later making people believe it is "illegitimate" when in reality it is how it was always done. It doesn't mean it is illegitimate though no matter how many times Trump or the other election deniers say it. I am not sure that they all use the same strategy on this. I think Abrams has a different take than say Trump who has a different take than Hillary Clinton does. They all use their own spin to create the election denial. The general approach seems to have really gotten traction during the 2016 election with people like Clinton and Abrams really pushing it, and now it kind of has a life to it, unfortunately. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sean Mooney 1,983 Posted November 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, RLLD said: I am not sure that they all use the same strategy on this. I think Abrams has a different take than say Trump who has a different take than Hillary Clinton does. They all use their own spin to create the election denial. The general approach seems to have really gotten traction during the 2016 election with people like Clinton and Abrams really pushing it, and now it kind of has a life to it, unfortunately. The Clinton side was more about the antiquated nature of the electoral college and voter suppression (which I think the latter is where Abrams has always argued too). I would say those are stupid to varying degrees in their own way. But Democrats mainly protested the events that happened during the campaign. Republicans are contending everything after the election. Trump's whole message was basically "No way I lost, they must have cheated." People buy into it for whatever reason. I think a reasonable person would agree trying to discount votes after they are legally cast is going too far. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,230 Posted November 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said: The Clinton side was more about the antiquated nature of the electoral college and voter suppression (which I think the latter is where Abrams has always argued too). I would say those are stupid to varying degrees in their own way. But Democrats mainly protested the events that happened during the campaign. Republicans are contending everything after the election. Trump's whole message was basically "No way I lost, they must have cheated." People buy into it for whatever reason. I think a reasonable person would agree trying to discount votes after they are legally cast is going too far. I am disinclined to make anything Trump did less than any others. They all did it. They can all stop doing it too. What their little games have done it elevate the anxiety around elections and we can see it manifesting in a variety of ways. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sean Mooney 1,983 Posted November 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, RLLD said: I am disinclined to make anything Trump did less than any others. They all did it. They can all stop doing it too. What their little games have done it elevate the anxiety around elections and we can see it manifesting in a variety of ways. Well I've got some bad news for you....It is only going to get worse. And all these election deniers who are going to win this Tuesday are going to throw gasoline on a fire that is already starting to spread outside of anyone's control. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dogcows 1,030 Posted November 7, 2022 1 hour ago, lickin_starfish said: Any race that isn't called on election night needs a full and transparent audit. If they don’t count fast enough, it’s fraud? If the election deniers get their way and switch everything to hand-counting ballots, it could take months to get results. Did you see the recent story out of a rural county in Nevada that tried that? Not only did it take them 3 hours to count 50 ballots, but they were reading ballots out loud, including name of the voter, which was against the law protecting voters’ privacy. It was a complete -show and the state told them to quit f-ing around. It’s still amazing that, despite the 2020 election having the most audits and challenges of probably any election ever, and nothing dastardly being found, that we still have right-wingers banging the “MUH FRAUD” drum. Brainwashed by the biggest sore loser in history: Donald J Trump. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 7,401 Posted November 7, 2022 Hillary and other Dems completely beclowned themselves by complaining about Russian interference, voter suppression, the electoral college etc. after 2016. Trump took it to a whole new level by whining about fake fraud, losing lawsuit after lawsuit, and trying to strongarm state reps into handing him the election. It’s a difference of degree. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sean Mooney 1,983 Posted November 7, 2022 https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/its-official-election-was-secure https://www.cisa.gov/rumorcontrol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Voltaire 5,315 Posted November 7, 2022 26 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said: The problem with that idea is this: Everyone wants state's rights and government out of everything so there is no national mandate as to how to count mail-in ballots or any of that stuff. So every state has their own process and because of it some vote totals come in later making people believe it is "illegitimate" when in reality it is how it was always done. It doesn't mean it is illegitimate though no matter how many times Trump or the other election deniers say it. It's not how it was always done, this is only PA's second election like this, you should know better than the rest of us since you live there. The Democrats pulled this mail in ballot bullsh*t out of their asses for 2020 as a COVID emergency, especially Pennsylvania which was ground zero for election fraud allegations and whose legislature is in court right now because they have been usurped of their constitutional right to set election laws by the secretary of state and the state judiciary. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,401 Posted November 7, 2022 The election deniers aren’t nearly the problem that the inflation, crime and illegal immigration deniers are. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,230 Posted November 7, 2022 18 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said: Well I've got some bad news for you....It is only going to get worse. And all these election deniers who are going to win this Tuesday are going to throw gasoline on a fire that is already starting to spread outside of anyone's control. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dogcows 1,030 Posted November 7, 2022 Just now, Hardcore troubadour said: The election deniers aren’t nearly the problem that the inflation, crime and illegal immigration deniers are. And yet the GOP keeps banging on the fraud drum. It doesn’t seem to make sense at first, but it’s part of the game they play right now, which is: We must support Trump so we don’t lose Trump voters. So they have to keep yapping about fraud. The worry about having election deniers in positions of power over elections is that somebody would get more actual votes, but they’d refuse to certify because they don’t like the candidate. I’m hoping they are mostly bluster and when it comes time to do their job, they decide to do it honestly. But their rhetoric is worrisome. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sean Mooney 1,983 Posted November 7, 2022 6 minutes ago, Voltaire said: It's not how it was always done, this is only PA's second election like this, you should know better than the rest of us since you live there. The Democrats pulled this mail in ballot bullsh*t out of their asses for 2020 as a COVID emergency, especially Pennsylvania which was ground zero for election fraud allegations and whose legislature is in court right now because they have been usurped of their constitutional right to set election laws by the secretary of state and the state judiciary. The PA mail voting law was passed in 2019 with bipartisan support in PA. And in August the Supreme Court of PA upheld the law despite the challenges to it. But either way I was more speaking to the idea of mail in balloting and counting always being done at a state level as the way it was always done. Again- there is no national across the board platform on this. Do you have links to all these cases of election fraud that were so prevalent in PA in 2020? How many were found valid? Again- mail in voting has always existed. States have their own rules as to how they count it and when they start counting it and all that. Until you make an across-the-board policy, it is what it is. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sean Mooney 1,983 Posted November 7, 2022 Let's be very clear- Inflation, gas prices, economy, safety, reproductive rights, LGBTQ rights, gun rights, etc- these are things that are always on the ballot in one way or another. They are real issues in some cases and in others they are used as wedge issues to drive people apart and favor one party or the other. Election security- is a false issue at this point being made into something because the last President got butthurt because people voted him out despite him thinking he was doing the work as the best President of all time. And many people are running on it either explicitly or implicitly. I doubt people are voting on it. They are voting on the real issues but when these dopes get in they won't have answers for the real issues because they ran on the fake one. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craftsman 1,045 Posted November 7, 2022 The liberals cheated. Liberals don't even pretend they didn't. All they can say is Trump colluded with Russia. Of course liberals have been trying to prove that for 7 years now and still can't. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,532 Posted November 7, 2022 33 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said: Well I've got some bad news for you....It is only going to get worse. And all these election deniers who are going to win this Tuesday are going to throw gasoline on a fire that is already starting to spread outside of anyone's control. Wait. Stacy Abrams is going to win? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pimpadeaux 2,406 Posted November 7, 2022 17 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: The election deniers aren’t nearly the problem that the inflation, crime and illegal immigration deniers are. Who is denying that we have inflation, crime and illegal immigration issues? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,230 Posted November 7, 2022 7 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said: Let's be very clear- Inflation, gas prices, economy, safety, reproductive rights, LGBTQ rights, gun rights, etc- these are things that are always on the ballot in one way or another. They are real issues in some cases and in others they are used as wedge issues to drive people apart and favor one party or the other. Election security- is a false issue at this point being made into something because the last President got butthurt because people voted him out despite him thinking he was doing the work as the best President of all time. And many people are running on it either explicitly or implicitly. I doubt people are voting on it. They are voting on the real issues but when these dopes get in they won't have answers for the real issues because they ran on the fake one. I agree with most of this. I think the polls have shown us what the voters care about right now, seems like the economy and crime dominate. I think it is likely true that Biden did win that election, likely not by the amount we observed, but I think he likely did win it. But I would suggest the key factor in that outcome was the media onslaught that people just grew weary of. I think for many of us the hope was "fine, put a Democrat in there, but for god sakes stop crying". We let the toddlers have control and they ruined things, not surprisingly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reality 3,121 Posted November 7, 2022 11 minutes ago, dogcows said: And yet the GOP keeps banging on the fraud drum. It doesn’t seem to make sense at first, but it’s part of the game they play right now, which is: We must support Trump so we don’t lose Trump voters. So they have to keep yapping about fraud. The worry about having election deniers in positions of power over elections is that somebody would get more actual votes, but they’d refuse to certify because they don’t like the candidate. I’m hoping they are mostly bluster and when it comes time to do their job, they decide to do it honestly. But their rhetoric is worrisome. When the Democrats lose, they blame fraud. When the Republicans lose, they blame fraud. Singling out one side or the other is really stupid, this has been proven time and time again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 5,532 Posted November 7, 2022 11 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said: Election security- is a false issue at this point being made into something because the last President got butthurt because people voted him out despite him thinking he was doing the work as the best President of all time. And many people are running on it either explicitly or implicitly. I doubt people are voting on it. They are voting on the real issues but when these dopes get in they won't have answers for the real issues because they ran on the fake one. Whether you believe elections were fair/stolen in the past, there's no reason we can't make elections secure to the point that no one can deny they're fair and secure moving forward. Simply things like requiring voter ID seem common sense but the Libs resist them at every turn. The Georgia law proved that you can have secure elections AND a strong voter turnout, despite the whining from the left. How stupid does MLB look now for moving their all star game? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites