BuckSwope 654 Posted November 10, 2022 14 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said: Meh everyone has the right to vote but I am not too concerned about bums who are too lazy to go vote. So we use phones. Thats ageism. My grandfather has never had a cell phone and wouldn't know how to turn it on. We just keep coddling the lazy in this country yet we stand around and wonder what happened to work ethic and personal responsibility. I know I never said just to use one method or another. That would also be dumb. More options, and as easy as possible. Not sure what it has to do with laziness or work ethic either. I am lucky, I have not had to wait more than 15mins to vote ever. If it took hours to vote, I probably wouldn't bother and would 100% be looking for mailing options. Not because I am a lazy bum in my mom's basement like you guys are posting as though you think this group largely is, but because I have a damn job, kids, Tues is always a busy sports night and I have to shuttle them around. My polling place is a about a 25min round trip from the house as well. I'd like to think that my situation is far more likely the norm than it is that people are bums with no work ethic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,873 Posted November 10, 2022 Who here knows a single person who didn't vote because they couldn't for whatever reason? Anyone? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,058 Posted November 10, 2022 Just now, listen2me 23 said: Who here knows a single person who didn't vote because they couldn't for whatever reason? Anyone? Right. But you want to change it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,873 Posted November 10, 2022 Just now, BuckSwope said: I know I never said just to use one method or another. That would also be dumb. More options, and as easy as possible. Not sure what it has to do with laziness or work ethic either. I am lucky, I have not had to wait more than 15mins to vote ever. If it took hours to vote, I probably wouldn't bother and would 100% be looking for mailing options. Not because I am a lazy bum in my mom's basement like you guys are posting as though you think this group largely is, but because I have a damn job, kids, Tues is always a busy sports night and I have to shuttle them around. My polling place is a about a 25min round trip from the house as well. I'd like to think that my situation is far more likely the norm than it is that people are bums with no work ethic. Oookkk I don't want to stand in line for a hour either. (Cities blow). But we have mail in. So whats the problem? Why do we need phones? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,873 Posted November 10, 2022 Just now, IGotWorms said: Right. But you want to change it I want to change what? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BuckSwope 654 Posted November 10, 2022 10 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said: Dems want as many dumb and misinformed voters clicking buttons on their government phones because they know that is their base. And gives them a better chance to collect sheep votes. MDC knows it. I know it. Where both of you are going wrong is the people in charge generally want a misinformed voting base. If they got educated they would probably realize they are getting screwed from all sides and revolt against the whole system. Having large groups of dumb voters yelling at each other about their teams is 100% a feature of the system, not a bug. If we are busy fighting each other, that's less time to think about them and turn the spotlight where it should be. 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,058 Posted November 10, 2022 1 minute ago, listen2me 23 said: I want to change what? Are you slow or something? My apologies if so Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,873 Posted November 10, 2022 Just now, IGotWorms said: Are you slow or something? My apologies if so What do I want to change? Quote me. My issue is phones Einstein. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,058 Posted November 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said: What do I want to change? Quote me. My issue is phones Einstein. Yeah I think the phone was a pretty helpful invention. People tend to overlook it now that we’ve got the internet, cell phones, messaging apps, etc. but the good ol’ landline really opened up a whole new world back in the day Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,873 Posted November 10, 2022 Just now, IGotWorms said: Yeah I think the phone was a pretty helpful invention. People tend to overlook it now that we’ve got the internet, cell phones, messaging apps, etc. but the good ol’ landline really opened up a whole new world back in the day So you call me slow. Have no quote. And are completely lost. Yet somehow you are a lawyer. Amazing. Apologize to me and call yourself slow and ill forgive you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craftsman 1,045 Posted November 10, 2022 4 minutes ago, BuckSwope said: Where both of you are going wrong is the people in charge generally want a misinformed voting base. If they got educated they would probably realize they are getting screwed from all sides and revolt against the whole system. Having large groups of dumb voters yelling at each other about their teams is 100% a feature of the system, not a bug. If we are busy fighting each other, that's less time to think about them and turn the spotlight where it should be. I'm not sure who is fighting who? There is living a life full of hate, and one not based in hatred. The angriest, most aggressive people in this country are liberals. By far. It's not worth giving them any credit for anything they do or say because it's all just sourced from anger. All of it. Even when they pretend to be chill, it's only passive aggression at the source of their messaging. This site is a good gauge of the inner workings of a liberal's mentality. When Obama was out the door, I rarely brought him up except for the fact that I attribute the renewed massive racial divide to him. But that's just a fact about his time in the white house. He's gone and I'm over it even though he is out there campaigning ad nauseum and pulling Biden's strings. He's just another pusher as far as I'm concerned. Can't say the same the way the left treats Trump. The guy is out of office. Who cares who he "endorses"? But the left can not and will not let go and focus on who they voted into office and what is happening in current day America. I don't think the left knows what is going on in current day America. TDS at work. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craftsman 1,045 Posted November 10, 2022 14 minutes ago, IGotWorms said: Yeah I think the phone was a pretty helpful invention. People tend to overlook it now that we’ve got the internet, cell phones, messaging apps, etc. but the good ol’ landline really opened up a whole new world back in the day Looks like you enjoy jumping into conversations without knowing what they are about. You do this a lot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BuckSwope 654 Posted November 10, 2022 1 minute ago, craftsman said: I'm not sure who is fighting who? There is living a life full of hate, and one not based in hatred. The angriest, most aggressive people in this country are liberals. By far. It's not worth giving them any credit for anything they do or say because it's all just sourced from anger. All of it. Even when they pretend to be chill, it's only passive aggression at the source of their messaging. This site is a good gauge of the inner workings of a liberal's mentality. When Obama was out the door, I rarely brought him up except for the fact that I attribute the renewed massive racial divide to him. But that's just a fact about his time in the white house. He's gone and I'm over it even though he is out there campaigning ad nauseum and pulling Biden's strings. He's just another pusher as far as I'm concerned. Can't say the same the way the left treats Trump. The guy is out of office. Who cares who he "endorses"? But the left can not and will not let go and focus on who they voted into office and what is happening in current day America. I don't think the left knows what is going on in current day America. TDS at work. You are taking my words too literally and your posts are kind of proving my point. You seem to think the issue is "the left" and the people who are voting that way - that is what I am talking about. Not literal figting, but thinking it's just the fault of one side or the other and acting as such. I see the issue as our overall broken system where profits are way more important than issues. The elites really running the show have their hands on both sides of the aisle and that's really the isssue to me. My point is the more we post about and point fingers at each other, the less we think about what the lobbyists and corporations are up to. That is a feature of our system. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sean Mooney 1,983 Posted November 10, 2022 Obama is out campaigning ad nauseum? What do you call what Trump does? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OldMaid 2,130 Posted November 10, 2022 30 minutes ago, BuckSwope said: Where both of you are going wrong is the people in charge generally want a misinformed voting base. If they got educated they would probably realize they are getting screwed from all sides and revolt against the whole system. Having large groups of dumb voters yelling at each other about their teams is 100% a feature of the system, not a bug. If we are busy fighting each other, that's less time to think about them and turn the spotlight where it should be. I don’t know how many more times people need to hear this before it finally sets in. And it’s not longer just about fighting over policies-both sides are now demonizing the other using phasing and terms that dehumanize the voters of the opposite party. Fear and hate motivates people much better than anything else. I’m not even sure how we fix it at this point. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gladiators 1,987 Posted November 10, 2022 58 minutes ago, craftsman said: Every 18 year old college girl in 2016 wanted Hillary to win simply because "It would be great to have a woman as president". No other reason. Along with our bored centrists. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BuckSwope 654 Posted November 10, 2022 16 minutes ago, OldMaid said: I don’t know how many more times people need to hear this before it finally sets in. And it’s not longer just about fighting over policies-both sides are now demonizing the other using phasing and terms that dehumanize the voters of the opposite party. Fear and hate motivates people much better than anything else. I’m not even sure how we fix it at this point. A couple things I do is: largely stay away from Social Media, stick to mostly a core set of sites and pods for info (both mostly read books on topics interested in), and like I posted somewhere today - refuse to vote for the crazy. I don't care one bit if it's an R or D behind somebody's name, I want intelligent and rational people to vote for. I also admit it's getting harder and harder. I had to cross off 1/2 the ballot on Tuesday and ended up writing in a couple names. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craftsman 1,045 Posted November 10, 2022 1 hour ago, BuckSwope said: You are taking my words too literally and your posts are kind of proving my point. You seem to think the issue is "the left" and the people who are voting that way - that is what I am talking about. Not literal figting, but thinking it's just the fault of one side or the other and acting as such. I see the issue as our overall broken system where profits are way more important than issues. The elites really running the show have their hands on both sides of the aisle and that's really the isssue to me. My point is the more we post about and point fingers at each other, the less we think about what the lobbyists and corporations are up to. That is a feature of our system. I don't disagree with a lot of what you are saying. But it is an issue with the left. Pointing it out is not proving your point. All I'm saying is all we have is what's in front of us today. We have to address that, not some ghost of Trump. And this is why I'm just saying the liberals are the less informed voters. Just because it's stated in print or out loud does not mean it's not true. Everyone should be focused on today and calling out the liberals or conservatives for poor policy. Whoever is responsible for implementing it. For not being transparent in the moment. Biden (our current president who has signed more than his fair share of executive orders) is well known for only taking approved questions publicly. Let's start with that. Let's start with ridiculous spending during a recession. Let's start with talking about open borders and what it means to the American people where the illegals are being let in. The thing is, that someone sitting in Martha's Vineyard doesn't care about how many millions of illegals are flowing into Texas and Arizona. And you can't make them care. They say it's not a problem unless it hits their neck of the woods. Simpler solutions need to be taken. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craftsman 1,045 Posted November 10, 2022 42 minutes ago, Gladiators said: Along with our bored centrists. No doubt. It's funny when liberals take extreme obvious uneducated actions in this country, that's always as cue for the liberals to come out and say we are all the same. No we are not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OldMaid 2,130 Posted November 10, 2022 5 minutes ago, BuckSwope said: A couple things I do is: largely stay away from Social Media, stick to mostly a core set of sites and pods for info (both mostly read books on topics interested in), and like I posted somewhere today - refuse to vote for the crazy. I don't care one bit if it's an R or D behind somebody's name, I want intelligent and rational people to vote for. I also admit it's getting harder and harder. I had to cross off 1/2 the ballot on Tuesday and ended up writing in a couple names. Preach! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BuckSwope 654 Posted November 10, 2022 1 minute ago, craftsman said: I don't disagree with a lot of what you are saying. But is and issue with the left. Pointing it out is not proving your point. All I'm saying is all we have is what's in front of us today. We have to address that, not some ghost of Trump. And this is why I'm just saying the liberals are the less informed voters. Just because it's stated in print or out loud does not mean it's not true. Everyone should be focused on today and calling out the liberals or conservatives for poor policy. Whoever is responsible for implementing it. For not being transparent in the moment. Biden (our current president who has signed more than his fair share of executive orders) is well known for only taking approved questions publicly. Let's start with that. Let's start with ridiculous spending during a recession. Let's start with talking about open borders and what it means to the American people where the illegals are being let in. The thing is, that someone sitting in Martha's Vineyard doesn't care about how many millions of illegals are flowing into Texas and Arizona. And you can't make them care. They say it's not a problem unless it hits their neck of the woods. Simpler solutions need to be taken. Serious question - would you expect them to care and for it to be a high priority? If so, why? This is human nature. I get gang violence is a serious issue in the country, but I live in the rural midwest - should that be a primary issue I am considering when voting? Am I a bad person because I am probably more aware of what is happening to our farmers in the area than I am how crime is in a big city or how immigration might be affecting towns on the border? Also, just because you educate people on what it happening, doesn't mean they are still going to agree with you on how it should be addressed. Somebody could agree with you 100% on the stats and severity of the issue that is the border and still disagree with you on the solution. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jonmx 2,429 Posted November 10, 2022 28 minutes ago, OldMaid said: I don’t know how many more times people need to hear this before it finally sets in. And it’s not longer just about fighting over policies-both sides are now demonizing the other using phasing and terms that dehumanize the voters of the opposite party. Fear and hate motivates people much better than anything else. I’m not even sure how we fix it at this point. I would start by teaching that the foundation of this country is based off of a bunch of slave-owning imperialists who grew this country off the backs of minorities. That our system is nothing but a hierarchy of rich white males who rigged the system. And instead of teaching useful skills, I would focus on training them to be useless narcissists who are consumed with their pronouns and which limitless imaginary gender best fits them. Then I woukd call anyone who dares disagree with this fascist bigots and censor and punish them. I would refer to my opponent as terrorists and threaten to sick the FBI and Justice Deparrment on them. The only solution is to massively redistribute power and wealth. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lod001 1,344 Posted November 10, 2022 Boebert has the lead now. libs on twitter melting down. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lod001 1,344 Posted November 10, 2022 Good to see Trump all over hannity's sh1t about the Oz disaster. hannity's an idiot and pimped that loser. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craftsman 1,045 Posted November 10, 2022 49 minutes ago, BuckSwope said: Serious question - would you expect them to care and for it to be a high priority? If so, why? This is human nature. I get gang violence is a serious issue in the country, but I live in the rural midwest - should that be a primary issue I am considering when voting? Am I a bad person because I am probably more aware of what is happening to our farmers in the area than I am how crime is in a big city or how immigration might be affecting towns on the border? Also, just because you educate people on what it happening, doesn't mean they are still going to agree with you on how it should be addressed. Somebody could agree with you 100% on the stats and severity of the issue that is the border and still disagree with you on the solution. I think it's possible to care for more than one thing at a time. At local, state, and federal levels. And yes, if, and a person votes or supports an agenda put forth by who they voted for, then they are responsible for backing up their vote. For instance, the people who voted for Fetterman voted for felons to be freed from prisons. They need to accept the fact if they themselves or someone they know pays the price for it by being robbed, mugged, shot, etc. then they should blame themselves for whatever crimes come out of it and not complain about it. If some leader in Martha's Vineyard supports our open border, they should be held responsible for taking a percentage of those people in. And not ship them out to other places. For leaders in states that want a closed border, they should not be responsible for taking in illegals. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustinCharge 2,397 Posted November 10, 2022 1 hour ago, OldMaid said: I don’t know how many more times people need to hear this before it finally sets in. And it’s not longer just about fighting over policies-both sides are now demonizing the other using phasing and terms that dehumanize the voters of the opposite party. Fear and hate motivates people much better than anything else. I’m not even sure how we fix it at this point. oh STOP it. liberals run this exact same game every damn cycle. 1. liberals ALWAYS demonize all non-liberals, all the time, nonstop, in the media (newspapers, film, TV, books, art etc) from the "piss christ" where they put an image of Christ in a jar filled with piss and claimed it was art and displayed it in museums, to tearing down statue of the founding fathers, to wretches like Steven Colbert dehumanizing anyone not on the left for years. 2. if the non-liberals do nothing, the liberals act like it is acceptance that these attacks are the truth. 3. if the non-liberals fight back, the liberals IMMEDIATELY get on their high horse and LECTURE everyone with severe guilt trips and personal attacks about how both sides are equally to blame. SHUT UP. YOUR GUILT TRIPS AND PERSONAL ATTACKS ARE SHIIT OLDMAID. YOU ARE A FOCKING BOT. 010101101001010101010000101 2 1 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craftsman 1,045 Posted November 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, JustinCharge said: oh STOP it. liberals run this exact same game every damn cycle. 1. liberals ALWAYS demonize all non-liberals, all the time, nonstop, in the media (newspapers, film, TV, books, art etc) from the "piss christ" where they put an image of Christ in a jar filled with piss and claimed it was art and displayed it in museums, to tearing down statue of the founding fathers, to wretches like Steven Colbert dehumanizing anyone not on the left for years. 2. if the non-liberals do nothing, the liberals act like it is acceptance that these attacks are the truth. 3. if the non-liberals fight back, the liberals IMMEDIATELY get on their high horse and LECTURE everyone with severe guilt trips and personal attacks about how both sides are equally to blame. SHUT UP. YOUR GUILT TRIPS AND PERSONAL ATTACKS ARE SHIIT OLDMAID. YOU ARE A FOCKING BOT. 010101101001010101010000101 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BuckSwope 654 Posted November 10, 2022 Just now, craftsman said: I think it's possible to care for more than one thing at a time. At local, state, and federal levels. And yes, if, and a person votes or supports an agenda put forth by who they voted for, then they are responsible for backing up their vote. For instance, the people who voted for Fetterman voted for felons to be freed from prisons. They need to except the fact if they themselves or someone they know pays the price for it by being robbed, mugged, shot, etc. then they should blame themselves for whatever crimes come out of it and not complain about it. If some leader in Martha's Vineyard supports our open border, they should be held responsible for taking a percentage of those people in. And not ship them out to other places. For leaders in states that want a closed border, they should not be responsible for taking in illegals. In a way I agree with you. People should take ownership of their vote of course, that's why I have said I want voters involved and educated. That's why I don't blindly vote D/R/3rd. That said, I would find it odd if people agreed 100% with a politician's stances and policies. If I vote for a politician because of climate issues, the economy, and health care and they have terrible ideas about the border I am responsible if they happen to enact some terrible immigration policy? In a way, sure, but I think the level of that responsibility also varies depending on your intent of the vote (ie did you vote specifically for their border policy vs. their climate policy) and how open they were about that policy. Long story short, as to the bolded it's 100% possible somebody for Fetterman but disagreed with him on his policies of crime. It's ignorant to view all those votes as people who also wanted felons freed from prisons. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OldMaid 2,130 Posted November 10, 2022 17 minutes ago, JustinCharge said: oh STOP it. liberals run this exact same game every damn cycle. 1. liberals ALWAYS demonize all non-liberals, all the time, nonstop, in the media (newspapers, film, TV, books, art etc) from the "piss christ" where they put an image of Christ in a jar filled with piss and claimed it was art and displayed it in museums, to tearing down statue of the founding fathers, to wretches like Steven Colbert dehumanizing anyone not on the left for years. 2. if the non-liberals do nothing, the liberals act like it is acceptance that these attacks are the truth. 3. if the non-liberals fight back, the liberals IMMEDIATELY get on their high horse and LECTURE everyone with severe guilt trips and personal attacks about how both sides are equally to blame. SHUT UP. YOUR GUILT TRIPS AND PERSONAL ATTACKS ARE SHIIT OLDMAID. YOU ARE A FOCKING BOT. 010101101001010101010000101 You mad, bro? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,792 Posted November 10, 2022 3 hours ago, dogcows said: “Stop the Steal” turned out to be a big loser. You are one of the last ones clinging to that bandwagon. This is not a fraud problem. Republicans didn’t get their red wave. The reason is not fraud: it’s the albatross around their neck: Trump. The SCOTUS abortion decision didn’t help either, made worse by many states immediately putting in complete abortion bans, instead of 15-week bans that would have been massively less controversial. As for Arizona, they have a GOP legislature and governor... they said they were gonna fix their elections, but instead just wasted their money on the “Cyber Ninjas” fiasco. Broken printers, slow counting, refusal to allow mail-in ballots to even START to be counted until Wednesday? They probably only made their elections worse after 2020. Great job, Arizona Republicans! But don’t worry, they just started hand-counting 400,000 ballots as part of an audit... before the count’s even finished? Seems to me you’d want those workers to help you finish counting the outstanding ballots so you can get a final count before you start auditing... Nevada just seems like they aren’t in any hurry to count, and that’s been the case for many years. It usually doesn’t matter much, but a close race in that state paired with a close national race puts a microscope on them. AZ certainly has room for improvement, but you left someone off of your list of culpability. That would be the person who runs the elections... Secretary of State Katie Hobbs, quite possibly rewarded by becoming our next governor. 2 hours ago, listen2me 23 said: Maybe. But lets be real.....18 year olds have the right to vote, no doubt. But they are idiots. Especially today. So we vote on phones we have 18 and 19 year olds voting in droves. Fine it is their right. But they are idiots. You and yours want welfare bums and immature kids to vote in droves because you think it helps your side. Sort of like Dems wanting to LOWER thr voting age. You know it. I know it. When the 18 law was set, 18 yr olds were adults. They were married, had families, worked jobs, owned land. Now... notsomuch. Discussions of lowering the voting age can only be partisan Leftist selfish proposals, because no rational person could defend it. 57 minutes ago, BuckSwope said: Serious question - would you expect them to care and for it to be a high priority? If so, why? This is human nature. I get gang violence is a serious issue in the country, but I live in the rural midwest - should that be a primary issue I am considering when voting? Am I a bad person because I am probably more aware of what is happening to our farmers in the area than I am how crime is in a big city or how immigration might be affecting towns on the border? Also, just because you educate people on what it happening, doesn't mean they are still going to agree with you on how it should be addressed. Somebody could agree with you 100% on the stats and severity of the issue that is the border and still disagree with you on the solution. Understood, but a difference is that immigration as per our constitution is a federal responsibility, so conscientious voters should theoretically consider it to some extent. Gang violence in a specific city isn't. Unless you want to change 2A, then it has become federal again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craftsman 1,045 Posted November 10, 2022 42 minutes ago, BuckSwope said: In a way I agree with you. People should take ownership of their vote of course, that's why I have said I want voters involved and educated. That's why I don't blindly vote D/R/3rd. That said, I would find it odd if people agreed 100% with a politician's stances and policies. If I vote for a politician because of climate issues, the economy, and health care and they have terrible ideas about the border I am responsible if they happen to enact some terrible immigration policy? In a way, sure, but I think the level of that responsibility also varies depending on your intent of the vote (ie did you vote specifically for their border policy vs. their climate policy) and how open they were about that policy. Long story short, as to the bolded it's 100% possible somebody for Fetterman but disagreed with him on his policies of crime. It's ignorant to view all those votes as people who also wanted felons freed from prisons. Unfortunately yes. We have to take the bad with the good. It's part of the compromise of life. I didn't vote for a democrat on Tuesday in my state, but I know I live in a liberal run state. What liberal policies they have here, I just have to accept and fight the good fight for normalcy to hopefully one day take over. I wouldn't be here if my girlfriend didn't have a very real need to be here. And I never bltch about being stuck here because of her because she doesn't deserve that. But if if she didn't have any particular need to stay here, then we would be gone in a blink of an eye to a place that better fits our beliefs. What's really difficult is to know whether or not to get behind a proposed spending bill. They make you jump through hoops just to find out where all the money is going. Sometimes it seems impossible to find. They just like to put clever little titles on the bills to make everyone think that's what the money is going towards. Take for instance the "Inflation Reduction Act". The people who titled it that can't even answer what that means. How does it work? No answer. When will it kick in? No answer. What levels of reduction can we expect? No answer. In reality, the money is going to some corporate green shlt that will never be seen and many special interest groups that raise money for campaigning for office. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BuckSwope 654 Posted November 10, 2022 28 minutes ago, jerryskids said: AZ certainly has room for improvement, but you left someone off of your list of culpability. That would be the person who runs the elections... Secretary of State Katie Hobbs, quite possibly rewarded by becoming our next governor. When the 18 law was set, 18 yr olds were adults. They were married, had families, worked jobs, owned land. Now... notsomuch. Discussions of lowering the voting age can only be partisan Leftist selfish proposals, because no rational person could defend it. Understood, but a difference is that immigration as per our constitution is a federal responsibility, so conscientious voters should theoretically consider it to some extent. Gang violence in a specific city isn't. Unless you want to change 2A, then it has become federal again. Sure, but I also only consider things like immigration when voting for POTUS and other high level positions that would have an impact on that. I couldn't give two craps what the mayors, or even the governor of my state thinks about immigration. I can also understand the issue being front of mind for Texans, but not for people in New England. Just trying to point out how easily even I could vote for somebody who would pipe up like the mayor of MV did about immigration. It's an interesting discussion how much responsibility the voters in MV have over what happened there, using this example that was brought up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craftsman 1,045 Posted November 10, 2022 8 minutes ago, BuckSwope said: Sure, but I also only consider things like immigration when voting for POTUS and other high level positions that would have an impact on that. I couldn't give two craps what the mayors, or even the governor of my state thinks about immigration. I can also understand the issue being front of mind for Texans, but not for people in New England. Just trying to point out how easily even I could vote for somebody who would pipe up like the mayor of MV did about immigration. It's an interesting discussion how much responsibility the voters in MV have over what happened there, using this example that was brought up. What kills me is the liberal mayors who support open borders but cry broke when they are sent some of them. Who do they expect to take care of of those people? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,792 Posted November 10, 2022 25 minutes ago, BuckSwope said: Sure, but I also only consider things like immigration when voting for POTUS and other high level positions that would have an impact on that. I couldn't give two craps what the mayors, or even the governor of my state thinks about immigration. I can also understand the issue being front of mind for Texans, but not for people in New England. Just trying to point out how easily even I could vote for somebody who would pipe up like the mayor of MV did about immigration. It's an interesting discussion how much responsibility the voters in MV have over what happened there, using this example that was brought up. Of course, typically a mayor or governor does not have much/any impact on immigration, certainly in most northern states, I was talking in the context of federal elections. MV is maybe a little different given the latest kerfuffle there, whatever. I do agree with your earlier statement that a voter determines the importance of various issues and can't always get 100% correlation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,058 Posted November 10, 2022 3 hours ago, listen2me 23 said: So you call me slow. Have no quote. And are completely lost. Yet somehow you are a lawyer. Amazing. Apologize to me and call yourself slow and ill forgive you. Done! I’m sorry that you’re slow 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dogcows 1,030 Posted November 10, 2022 Just heard an interview on the radio with an elections chief in Arizona. He said there are over 290,000 ballots to count, and the results probably won’t be available until early next week. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lod001 1,344 Posted November 10, 2022 290,000 ballots should be counted in seconds. Ya fill it out, ya put it in the machine, your vote is counted......oh wait, that's FL. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,873 Posted November 10, 2022 17 minutes ago, IGotWorms said: Done! I’m sorry that you’re slow If there was a joke in there somewhere I missed. Woosh. Didn't see it. The joke can be on me thats cool. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BuckSwope 654 Posted November 10, 2022 1 hour ago, craftsman said: What kills me is the liberal mayors who support open borders but cry broke when they are sent some of them. Who do they expect to take care of of those people? Probably people at the border and the feds. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,873 Posted November 10, 2022 Just now, dogcows said: Just heard an interview on the radio with an elections chief in Arizona. He said there are over 290,000 ballots to count, and the results probably won’t be available until early next week. Do they write them on papaya paper there? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites