2022 Midterm Elections

[jerryskids 6,790]

2 minutes ago, OldMaid said:

I don’t think the majority of late term abortions are what you think they are.

I'm well-aware that most of them are medically justified, which is another adult position to take.  We can limit elective abortions while allowing medically necessary ones.  Why leave women and OBs wondering?  Hobbs didn't use that nuance though.

[Thornton Melon 620]

Well, now it's official- not one of the candidates or ballot questions I voted for in Massachusetts won. I voted straight Republican where there was one running, and one Libertarian. Where Dems were running unopposed,  I wrote in myself and family members. I was 0 for 4 on the ballot questions. 

[jerryskids 6,790]

4 minutes ago, Strike said:

Jerry,

  You may want to slow your roll.  The AZ Governor's race isn't even close to being decided:

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/elections/2022/11/09/arizona-governor-results-kari-lake-katie-hobbs-race-may-flip/8313189001/

I suspect you're not accurately representing Kari Lake's position on abortion as well:

https://ktar.com/story/5286449/kari-lake-says-arizona-families-should-have-abortion-option-in-cases-of-rape-incest/

Thanks.  I know that it isn't decided; I've been careful to use words like "underperforming" when I include her.  She was expected to curb stomp Hobbs.  I've been tracking all morning and the latest I see is her down 12K votes with 800K to go, which is plenty of room, but if the bulk of those are the Phoenix or Tucson metro areas, those lean blue-ish so not a positive sign.

On abortion, I was not aware that she had modified her stance about a month ago.  Until then:

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In June, while the Republican primary was taking place, Lake stated in an interview, "I'm incredibly thrilled that we are going to have a great law that's already on the books,” referring to the 1864 law. However, she has since endorsed permitting abortion in cases of rape and incest.

 

[DonS 3,292]

Hypothetical that would NEVER happen... 

What would happen if Republicans worked with Dems to codify abortion?  If abortion is off the table for future elections then what would Dems actually run on? 

[OldMaid 2,130]

11 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I'm well-aware that most of them are medically justified, which is another adult position to take.  We can limit elective abortions while allowing medically necessary ones.  Why leave women and OBs wondering?  Hobbs didn't use that nuance though.

I agree completely with this. Your choice of phrasing before seemed to lack an adult position, though. 

[Strike 5,532]

4 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Thanks.  I know that it isn't decided; I've been careful to use words like "underperforming" when I include her.  She was expected to curb stomp Hobbs.  I've been tracking all morning and the latest I see is her down 12K votes with 800K to go, which is plenty of room, but if the bulk of those are the Phoenix or Tucson metro areas, those lean blue-ish so not a positive sign.

On abortion, I was not aware that she had modified her stance about a month ago.  Until then:

 

I'd love to see your source for the statement that Kari Lake was supposed to curb stomp Katie Hobbs.  I've followed this race pretty closely and while there was a lot of momentum regarding Lake I don't remember anyone saying she was a shoo in for governor.  And I haven't read it, but from what I've read the 1864 didn't outlaw ALL abortions.  So, even without her recent clarification of her stance there is no record of her ever saying she wanted to outlaw all abortions.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

4 minutes ago, DonS said:

Hypothetical that would NEVER happen... 

What would happen if Republicans worked with Dems to codify abortion?  If abortion is off the table for future elections then what would Dems actually run on? 

What would happen is you'd lose half your base. Would be the ultimate betrayal so far as the rabid pro-lifers are concerned 

[TheNewGirl 1,489]

3 minutes ago, DonS said:

Hypothetical that would NEVER happen... 

What would happen if Republicans worked with Dems to codify abortion?  If abortion is off the table for future elections then what would Dems actually run on? 

Obama ran in 2008 telling his constituents that he'd codify it. He won and then said it was no longer a priority and bailed out banks instead. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,403]

Just now, TheNewGirl said:

Obama ran in 2008 telling his constituents that he'd codify it. He won and then said it was no longer a priority and bailed out banks instead. 

That’s why he was a smart politician. Phony as all hell, but he wasn’t about to settle that issue. Too valuable.  

[IGotWorms 4,058]

1 minute ago, TheNewGirl said:

Obama ran in 2008 telling his constituents that he'd codify it. He won and then said it was no longer a priority and bailed out banks instead. 

Um, YOU were one of “his constituents”

[Masshole 642]

16 minutes ago, Thornton Melon said:

Well, now it's official- not one of the candidates or ballot questions I voted for in Massachusetts won. I voted straight Republican where there was one running, and one Libertarian. Where Dems were running unopposed,  I wrote in myself and family members. I was 0 for 4 on the ballot questions. 

You and me both my brother. . .   

[jerryskids 6,790]

5 minutes ago, Strike said:

I'd love to see your source for the statement that Kari Lake was supposed to curb stomp Katie Hobbs.  I've followed this race pretty closely and while there was a lot of momentum regarding Lake I don't remember anyone saying she was a shoo in for governor.  And I haven't read it, but from what I've read the 1864 didn't outlaw ALL abortions.  So, even without her recent clarification of her stance there is no record of her ever saying she wanted to outlaw all abortions.

Lake up 2.4% with consistent increasing momentum: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/governor/2022/arizona/

Many pundits also talked about her popularity pulling through Masters, but I don't have a link for that.

[DonS 3,292]

6 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

What would happen is you'd lose half your base. Would be the ultimate betrayal so far as the rabid pro-lifers are concerned 

Well that's a given which is why I said Republicans would never do it. 

My question was about what Dems would then run on if abortion was "settled"?

[Strike 5,532]

5 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Lake up 2.4% with consistent increasing momentum: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/governor/2022/arizona/

Many pundits also talked about her popularity pulling through Masters, but I don't have a link for that.

1)  Polls suck.  Aggregators suck even more.  If you need clarification on this, PM @supermike80.

2)  2.4 % isn't a trouncing, especially as a forecast.

3)  I think there are enough ballots left to exceed that margin.

Again, all I'm saying is you might want to slow your roll.

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

36 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Oh really? Huh. Yeah, you’re wrong. Way wrong. Like I said, look it up. 

Show me one post where you remotely favored DeSantis over Trump

[Hardcore troubadour 15,403]

3 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Show me one post where you remotely favored DeSantis over Trump

Here’s how it’s been going: I want Desantis to be the nominee. But I’ll vote for trump if he is. Still want proof that’s been my take, Or do you think I’m lying?PS. I’d vote for You if you were the Republican nominee. 

[phillybear 366]

I try to shop individual stores at off peak hours; years of mentally cataloguing and processing information. I was surprised by the amount of people at my local Aldi today. Like we were about to get a snow storm tonight. 

The in-store chatter was mostly people panicking about the election results, and a consensus that we are now completely focked. So, the dopes that re-elected their overlords, and managed to elect a mongoloid and a dead man into office in this state yesterday, are sitting at home, not giving a care. Everybody else are squirrels storing up for harsh weather.

I'm stocked up, but you can never have quite enough. Everybody needs to stock up their emergency supplies. It is a tip. 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

8 minutes ago, DonS said:

Well that's a given which is why I said Republicans would never do it. 

My question was about what Dems would then run on if abortion was "settled"?

abortion is the exact opposite of settled.  by striking down Roe, it instantly became an eternal ballot issue in all 50 states.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

7 minutes ago, DonS said:

Well that's a given which is why I said Republicans would never do it. 

My question was about what Dems would then run on if abortion was "settled"?

It was a boon for them this election cycle, but otherwise it basically WAS settled for almost 50 years, and they found stuff to run on then.

Going forward my guess is they return to things like protecting social security and Medicare, since republicans have stupidly suggested they would attack or kill those plans. Also not being crazy election deniers trying to overthrow democracy and being the party we can rely on to actually at least attempt to address climate change as those effects worsen.

I know you’re rolling your eyes at that last one in particular, but it’s a super huge deal to younger voters. One of the main reasons they break democrat by super huge margins right now 

[DonS 3,292]

1 minute ago, JustinCharge said:

abortion is the exact opposite of settled.  by striking down Roe, it instantly became an eternal ballot issue in all 50 states.

See my hypothetical above where I said if it was settled. 

[IGotWorms 4,058]

5 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Here’s how it’s been going: I want Desantis to be the nominee. But I’ll vote for trump if he is. Still want proof that’s been my take, Or do you think I’m lying?PS. I’d vote for You if you were the Republican nominee. 

Lol this coming from the guy who used to love Obama and only cares about the working man

[JustinCharge 2,397]

25 minutes ago, DonS said:

Hypothetical that would NEVER happen... 

What would happen if Republicans worked with Dems to codify abortion?  If abortion is off the table for future elections then what would Dems actually run on? 

if abortion is off the table, the democrats would move the goal posts to infanticide, or killing newborn children.  the democrats in congress in 2020 successfully filibustered legislation designed to protect newborns as the demorcats do not see them as people.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/02/born-alive-abortion-survivors-protection-act-democrats-justify-infanticide/

 

Earlier this week, 41 Democratic senators successfully filibustered the Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Protection Act, which would require doctors to provide standard medical care to infants who survive attempted abortion procedures.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

if republicans dont hold the line on abortion, democrats will start killing babies next.  probably babies born of the incorrect race.  the mask slipped in 2020.  they filibustered the legislation designed to prevent it.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,403]

6 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Lol this coming from the guy who used to love Obama and only cares about the working man

Yeah. The party changed. Lots of us cut out on the freak show. You stuck around though. And “loved”? I don’t think so. What a Beta. Do you get a lilt in your voice too? I bet you do. 

[Shooter McGavin 618]

14 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Here’s how it’s been going: I want Desantis to be the nominee. But I’ll vote for trump if he is. Still want proof that’s been my take, Or do you think I’m lying?PS. I’d vote for You if you were the Republican nominee. 

So you'll vote for anyone with an R next to their name?

[Shooter McGavin 618]

5 minutes ago, JustinCharge said:

if republicans dont hold the line on abortion, democrats will start killing babies next.  probably babies born of the incorrect race.  the mask slipped in 2020.  they filibustered the legislation designed to prevent it.

What's the incorrect race?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,403]

1 minute ago, Shooter McGavin said:

So you'll vote for anyone with an R next to their name?

Like I said , yes, unless the democrats come to their senses. Why do I have to keep repeating all of this? 

[Hawkeye21 2,399]

1 hour ago, craftsman said:

Let's get this all straightened out then and be consistent. Then I'll listen to their arguments.

The Unborn Victims of Violence Act of 2004 (Public Law 108-212) is a United States law that recognizes an embryo or fetus in utero as a legal victim, if they are injured or killed during the commission of any of over 60 listed federal crimes of violence. The law defines "child in utero" as "a member of the species Homo sapiens, at any stage of development, who is carried in the womb."^[1]

Because you know darn well if one of these same women who want "My body my choice", is pregnant and is excited to have the baby, and they get beat up and lose the child, those same women will cry to the skies in horror over the kid's death. 

Dude, I don't know.  All I know is that I'm not going to make those decisions for a woman.  I can't put myself in their shoes.

[Shooter McGavin 618]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Like I said , yes, unless the democrats come to their senses. Why do I have to keep repeating all of this? 

I hope Mitt Romney gets the nomination.

[Cdub100 3,903]

5 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said:

What's the incorrect race?

White. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,403]

5 minutes ago, Shooter McGavin said:

I hope Mitt Romney gets the nomination.

Nose held but yeah. And I hate him. 

[IGotWorms 4,058]

13 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yeah. The party changed. Lots of us cut out on the freak show. You stuck around though. And “loved”? I don’t think so. What a Beta. Do you get a lilt in your voice too? I bet you do. 

I’m calling you a liar. HTH

[Hardcore troubadour 15,403]

Just now, IGotWorms said:

I’m calling you a liar. HTH

About what? That I switched to R? 

[IGotWorms 4,058]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

About what? That I switched to R? 

That you were ever once anything else. You’re as hardcore right-wing as they come and nobody buys the “I saw the light” act  

[nobody 2,667]

2 hours ago, Hawkeye21 said:

For some they feel if they lose the right to control what's done with their body then they'll lose even more.  They're being told that the economy can always recover but their personal rights may never come back.  Easy for us to ignore but I imagine it's a pretty big deal for a lot of women.

Talk about cutting out the fetus to spite the face.

[jonmx 2,429]

1 hour ago, OldMaid said:

I don’t think the majority of late term abortions are what you think they are.

I am damn well certain they are nothing like what you think they are.  

[Shooter McGavin 618]

11 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

White. 

OK, so democrats will start killing white babies if Roe v Wade is back on?  Is that correct?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,403]

2 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

That you were ever once anything else. You’re as hardcore right-wing as they come and nobody buys the “I saw the light” act  

Who cares what you think. If I offered you a bet that I could prove I’m a registered Democrat you would wuss out. Whatever. 

[edjr 6,580]

Walker vs Warlock in a run off? That's not fair. Herschel will smoke him in a foot race

[Shooter McGavin 618]

5 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

That you were ever once anything else. You’re as hardcore right-wing as they come and nobody buys the “I saw the light” act  

He likely got brain washed by Trump