Sean Mooney 2,018 Posted November 14, 2022 Nancy Pelosi said that the Republican response to her husband's attack turned off voters, "Many told her so." Nancy- no one, outside of your family, cares about your husband's attack all that much. Well unless you want to make it some weird same sex hookup fantasy gone wrong on a lightly trafficked fantasy football message board. Then you care an awful lot apparently. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bert 1,128 Posted November 14, 2022 All I have to say about the midterm elections is, the democratic darling once again got his azz kicked. Now pack up your sh!t and move to California or New York were all your money comes from. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Raven Fan 362 Posted November 14, 2022 1 hour ago, RLLD said: I do lament that without a suitable slap the Biden will continue doing the things that have inflamed inflation and it could very well be true that next year is a tough one for the least fortunate among us. It might be that people have not suffered enough to change their votes. There is little doubt that Biden and the Dems will pour it on more now What has inflamed inflation, other than supply chain disruption and energy prices, has been the reckless spending of the last 5 years coupled with the Feds free money policy the last 10+ years. So that's why I'm focused on spending. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,275 Posted November 14, 2022 Just now, Raven Fan said: What has inflamed inflation, other than supply chain disruption and energy prices, has been the reckless spending of the last 5 years coupled with the Feds free money policy the last 10+ years. So that's why I'm focused on spending. I am trying to understand, but am not yet appreciating your point of view on this I think. If your concern is government spending then you feel that government consumption is lowering supply? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bert 1,128 Posted November 14, 2022 Just now, Raven Fan said: What has inflamed inflation, other than supply chain disruption and energy prices, has been the reckless spending of the last 5 15years coupled with the Feds free money policy the last 10+ years. So that's why I'm focused on spending. Fixed Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Raven Fan 362 Posted November 14, 2022 5 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said: If the numbers from the last two pages of this thread are accurate, it's like 250 surgeries and 1250 puberty blockers started a year. If you double that you are between 2500 and 3000. Last week nobody could care that we are averaging 2500 deaths per WEEK from covid, but maybe 3K kids in this country with gender issues is a critical issue? Sorry, this to me is the definition of made up cultural wars BS and it's why I rarely comment on the issue. As I've been saying, it's a cultural war issue that really isn't significant at all from a numbers perspective. Would I prefer the number to be zero? Sure. But I'd also like to see folks not shove metal bars through various parts of their body and tatoo every square inch of themselves. You simply will always have phuked up people. The rights weird obsession with this topic is nothing more than their typical scare strategy. And I'd suggest far far more harm, both physical and mental, is being done in the name of religion in this country, yet the right stays silent as a mouse about that. But keep pushing this and the groomer and the pedo rings and whatever other boogeyman you want righties. How's that working out for ya? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Raven Fan 362 Posted November 14, 2022 3 minutes ago, RLLD said: I am trying to understand, but am not yet appreciating your point of view on this I think. If your concern is government spending then you feel that government consumption is lowering supply? Government spending, like giving folks thousands of dollars via covid or infrastructure or tax cuts, increase the amount of $'s in peoples hands. These $'s are chasing the same number of good, and lately few goods, thus contributing to the skyrocketing inflation. Make sense? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,060 Posted November 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, Bert said: Fixed Disagree. Obama’s spending out of the ‘08 collapse was quite paltry in comparison to the Trump/Biden spending from the pandemic threat. Though many economists faulted the Obama timidity as leading to a very long and halting recovery. That’s a big part of why the COVID response was different, and it largely seems to have worked. Obama did not create an inflation problem though. So I guess it’s sorta pick your poison 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Raven Fan 362 Posted November 14, 2022 4 minutes ago, Bert said: Fixed Obama the Great's last four years showed a huge slowdown in spending and increases in the deficit. Trump came in and naturally made all that much worse even pre-covid. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,713 Posted November 14, 2022 It’s not widespread. Move along folks. Move along. Just a culture war thing. You conservatives need to stop reacting to our attacks on the culture. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,060 Posted November 14, 2022 1 minute ago, Raven Fan said: Obama the Great's last four years showed a huge slowdown in spending and increases in the deficit. Trump came in and naturally made all that much worse even pre-covid. True. It’s funny how Trump’s tax cuts complete escaped notice in the inflation blame game. They certainly weren’t the only factor, but it was not helpful 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Raven Fan 362 Posted November 14, 2022 Just now, IGotWorms said: True. It’s funny how Trump’s tax cuts complete escaped notice in the inflation blame game. They certainly weren’t the only factor, but it was not helpful Funny? When conservatives wax poetic about Trump's years they only talk about 17-19, completely ignoring 20. And yet they squarely blame Biden for all things bad when he took over in 21 despite the country being a chit show on fire with high unemployment, a raging pandemic, inflation getting ready to explode, Trump's buddy Putin threatening Ukraine, etc. Conservatives simply can't bring themselves to criticize their master...well maybe now they will. He's lost them their 4th straight election so maybe 4th time is the charm? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sean Mooney 2,018 Posted November 14, 2022 4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: It’s not widespread. Move along folks. Move along. Just a culture war thing. You conservatives need to stop reacting to our attacks on the culture. Look you agreed yesterday you see why the GOP's line of thinking comes off as extreme. That was progress. Don't turn around now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bert 1,128 Posted November 14, 2022 1 minute ago, IGotWorms said: True. It’s funny how Trump’s tax cuts complete escaped notice in the inflation blame game. They certainly weren’t the only factor, but it was not helpful That's a fact. Obama health care bill did not help either. The costs were significantly understated but he was not a major contributor. The Fed and the last two yahoos are largely to blame. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,713 Posted November 14, 2022 5 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said: Look you agreed yesterday you see why the GOP's line of thinking comes off as extreme. That was progress. Don't turn around now. No I didn’t. I lost track becase I was watching football and not paying close attention. I corrected that. I stuttered. Yeah, that’s it, I stuttered. Just like Joe! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,713 Posted November 14, 2022 5 minutes ago, IGotWorms said: True. It’s funny how Trump’s tax cuts complete escaped notice in the inflation blame game. They certainly weren’t the only factor, but it was not helpful So going forward, tax cuts are bad? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BirdGang 401 Posted November 14, 2022 Wait so there are really states still counting votes, what a messed up world we live in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sean Mooney 2,018 Posted November 14, 2022 4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: No I didn’t. I lost track becase I was watching football and not paying close attention. I corrected that. I stuttered. Yeah, that’s it, I stuttered. Just like Joe! Time has marked it down. You can't backtrack. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Masshole 642 Posted November 14, 2022 GC righties: Don't you think it's a little concerning/sketchy that a week after the mid-terms the Biden admin loses the tuition bailout and their 2nd largest donor turns out to be a ponzi scheme crypto scam artist with deep ties to the dems and Ukraine? GC "centrists": Just coincidence! Nothing to see here. Now let's get back to talking about how republicans are going to destroy democracy and how you righties are such cultists that you can't even see what's happening right before your eyes! Wow, just wow. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,713 Posted November 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said: Time has marked it down. You can't backtrack. Ok. You win Mooney! I now support the things you laid out. Good work. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sean Mooney 2,018 Posted November 14, 2022 1 minute ago, Masshole said: GC righties: Don't you think it's a little concerning/sketchy that a week after the mid-terms the Biden admin loses the tuition bailout and their 2nd largest donor turns out to be a ponzi scheme crypto scam artist with deep ties to the dems and Ukraine? GC "centrists": Just coincidence! Nothing to see here. Now let's get back to talking about how republicans are going to destroy democracy and how you righties are such cultists that you can't even see what's happening right before your eyes! Wow, just wow. Hey look everyone: the BS detector for Sherlock Homeless over here is pinging again..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,713 Posted November 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, Masshole said: GC righties: Don't you think it's a little concerning/sketchy that a week after the mid-terms the Biden admin loses the tuition bailout and their 2nd largest donor turns out to be a ponzi scheme crypto scam artist with deep ties to the dems and Ukraine? GC "centrists": Just coincidence! Nothing to see here. Now let's get back to talking about how republicans are going to destroy democracy and how you righties are such cultists that you can't even see what's happening right before your eyes! Wow, just wow. And any of you right wing nut jobs who think that still counting ballots days and almost a week after the election, and nearly every time it goes the lefts way, if you think that’s questionable then you’re a conspiracy theorist that is destroying democracy. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Masshole 642 Posted November 14, 2022 14 minutes ago, IGotWorms said: True. It’s funny how Trump’s tax cuts complete escaped notice in the inflation blame game. They certainly weren’t the only factor, but it was not helpful 12 minutes ago, Raven Fan said: Funny? When conservatives wax poetic about Trump's years they only talk about 17-19, completely ignoring 20. And yet they squarely blame Biden for all things bad when he took over in 21 despite the country being a chit show on fire with high unemployment, a raging pandemic, inflation getting ready to explode, Trump's buddy Putin threatening Ukraine, etc. Conservatives simply can't bring themselves to criticize their master...well maybe now they will. He's lost them their 4th straight election so maybe 4th time is the charm? Cool, so the Trump tax cut was in 2017. So that inflation that "Trump caused" would have shown itself in at least 2018, maybe 2019 at the latest. Do you have any info about what the US inflation rate was from 2017 thru 2019. I mean from the clear-sighted case you made here - it was really bad in 18-19, right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,275 Posted November 14, 2022 24 minutes ago, Raven Fan said: Government spending, like giving folks thousands of dollars via covid or infrastructure or tax cuts, increase the amount of $'s in peoples hands. These $'s are chasing the same number of good, and lately few goods, thus contributing to the skyrocketing inflation. Make sense? I think I do understand now. On the point of government spending and inflation, not everyone agrees of course, but the dominant opinion is that true government spending does not really influence inflation in a profound way at all. Quote Across the board, we found almost no effect of government spending on inflation. For example, in our benchmark specification, we found that a 10 percent increase in government spending led to an 8 basis point decline in inflation. Moreover, the effect is not statistically different from zero. Rink Rink That being said, government "spending" in terms of the handouts provided through the legislation of the Democrats has been impactful, it was an injection of considerable influence to raise inflation. That coupled with the inane energy policies of the Biden administration have been mutually evil in their outcomes, notable to historically disenfranchised communities. Energy has a sizeable footprint as well, and really hits all products. Were Biden to return to the Trump policies we could all enjoy as less challenging fiscal environment. It makes perfect sense that Biden would speak to spending though, anyone can get behind that as a source of "good". But his attempt to in any way allude to it as beneficial for inflation is not truthful, but clever still, as people will fall for it easily. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Reality 3,121 Posted November 14, 2022 18 minutes ago, Masshole said: GC righties: Don't you think it's a little concerning/sketchy that a week after the mid-terms the Biden admin loses the tuition bailout and their 2nd largest donor turns out to be a ponzi scheme crypto scam artist with deep ties to the dems and Ukraine? GC "centrists": Just coincidence! Nothing to see here. Now let's get back to talking about how republicans are going to destroy democracy and how you righties are such cultists that you can't even see what's happening right before your eyes! Wow, just wow. Yup. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustinCharge 2,397 Posted November 14, 2022 1 hour ago, Raven Fan said: Yet Biden will end up spending less than Trump in 4 years I'll wager and the deficit is down in 22 vs 21 and 20. Plus the very fact that Biden is letting the Fed do its work to curb inflation is hugely significant given how we've seen other, less stable, presidents act. I'll wager one year from now the country will be sitting in a much better position economically and Russia will either be defeated or simply trying to hold on to what little land they are still able to hold. The country seems to agree with me based on the mid-term results. or based on Biden's approval rating and congress' approval rating they think the nation is on fire. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 15,713 Posted November 14, 2022 The democrats spent a lot more money. They truly are the party of the elite. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JustinCharge 2,397 Posted November 14, 2022 42 minutes ago, Raven Fan said: Government spending, like giving folks thousands of dollars via covid or infrastructure or tax cuts, increase the amount of $'s in peoples hands. These $'s are chasing the same number of good, and lately few goods, thus contributing to the skyrocketing inflation. Make sense? inflation started with the supply chain disruption. biden's team turned it into a massive problem by slowing hiking rates instead of one huge rate hike. biden also has not created large new incentives to save instead of spend. plus hes handing out money like crazy. this is all on him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,275 Posted November 14, 2022 6 minutes ago, JustinCharge said: inflation started with the supply chain disruption. biden's team turned it into a massive problem by slowing hiking rates instead of one huge rate hike. biden also has not created large new incentives to save instead of spend. plus hes handing out money like crazy. this is all on him. I might note that inflation is ever-present. That being said, the actions of Biden to immediately enter office and unwind the policies that were so beneficial to Americans over all, and notably to historically disenfranchised groups was disastrous move that was done only to make a point. It was ruinous. His actions against the energy providers is one of the more concerning positions. This is not how a President should act. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Raven Fan 362 Posted November 14, 2022 14 minutes ago, JustinCharge said: inflation started with the supply chain disruption. biden's team turned it into a massive problem by slowing hiking rates instead of one huge rate hike. biden also has not created large new incentives to save instead of spend. plus hes handing out money like crazy. this is all on him. You're aware that Trump "handed out" much more money in 20 than Biden did in 21, right? Are you also aware that Trump bullied the Fed to actually lower rates in 19, during supposed booming times? And you're complaining about "Biden" not raising rates faster? And your save vs spend comment that you're blaming on Biden, can't wrap my head around that one. Sorry friend, but Trump is significantly more at fault for the inflation that showed up not even 4 months into Biden's presidency. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Raven Fan 362 Posted November 14, 2022 8 minutes ago, RLLD said: I might note that inflation is ever-present. That being said, the actions of Biden to immediately enter office and unwind the policies that were so beneficial to Americans over all, and notably to historically disenfranchised groups was disastrous move that was done only to make a point. It was ruinous. His actions against the energy providers is one of the more concerning positions. This is not how a President should act. You mean his policy where the US is producing almost as much energy now as it did during it's peak years the last 5 years? That policy? Or are you talking about energy producers taking production offline because the dude before Biden caused the price for a barrel of oil to go negative. Or are you one of those shutting down the pipeline that wasn't operational and wouldn't produce a drop of oil types? Biden's not friendly to the oil robber barrons but to suggest his policies have caused the spike in energy prices is ludicrous. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BirdGang 401 Posted November 14, 2022 5 minutes ago, Raven Fan said: You're aware that Trump "handed out" much more money in 20 than Biden did in 21, right? Are you also aware that Trump bullied the Fed to actually lower rates in 19, during supposed booming times? And you're complaining about "Biden" not raising rates faster? And your save vs spend comment that you're blaming on Biden, can't wrap my head around that one. Sorry friend, but Trump is significantly more at fault for the inflation that showed up not even 4 months into Biden's presidency. You seem similarly delusional to this guy names Daulton that spammed other sites with the same weak BS…..stop deflecting Biden’s failures on others. Be a man and own the mistake you and other Libs made, no hiding from reality here JD bag. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bert 1,128 Posted November 14, 2022 10 minutes ago, Raven Fan said: You mean his policy where the US is producing almost as much energy now as it did during it's peak years the last 5 years? That policy? Or are you talking about energy producers taking production offline because the dude before Biden caused the price for a barrel of oil to go negative. Or are you one of those shutting down the pipeline that wasn't operational and wouldn't produce a drop of oil types? Biden's not friendly to the oil robber barrons but to suggest his policies have caused the spike in energy prices is ludicrous. Biden is on record stating Exxon and other oil majors are not producing oil and that is what is causing high gasoline prices. Well, which is it? The oil robber barons pale in comparison to Bezos, Soros and Gates. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,275 Posted November 14, 2022 1 minute ago, Raven Fan said: You mean his policy where the US is producing almost as much energy now as it did during it's peak years the last 5 years? That policy? Or are you talking about energy producers taking production offline because the dude before Biden caused the price for a barrel of oil to go negative. Or are you one of those shutting down the pipeline that wasn't operational and wouldn't produce a drop of oil types? Biden's not friendly to the oil robber barrons but to suggest his policies have caused the spike in energy prices is ludicrous. Do you presume that consumption has remained static over the years, never increases? Further, do you presume that the costs of these companies have remained static? If you run a business, and the President says he is going to end you.....he is going to ensure your future is diminished? If you understand why there is a "futures" market I would hope that you also understand that companies have a fiduciary duty to their employees and investors. What the Biden folks do not seem to understand is macroeconomics, time and again they say demonstrably stupid things about economic factors. They blithely ignore the impact of their words and actions. Not rushing production is the right response. So what do they do? Well for one thing they read the room. They setup for what is happening and invest in green, just like the leftists want them to do. Could they push more oil, sure, by that would be financially irresponsible. Gone are those heady days when the administration celebrated high prices because they though it would compel people to change their behaviors and embrace green. Now that they know people are pissed at what they have done, they blame others, instead of looking in the mirror at the devastation they have created. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Raven Fan 362 Posted November 14, 2022 Just now, RLLD said: Do you presume that consumption has remained static over the years, never increases? Further, do you presume that the costs of these companies have remained static? If you run a business, and the President says he is going to end you.....he is going to ensure your future is diminished? If you understand why there is a "futures" market I would hope that you also understand that companies have a fiduciary duty to their employees and investors. What the Biden folks do not seem to understand is macroeconomics, time and again they say demonstrably stupid things about economic factors. They blithely ignore the impact of their words and actions. Not rushing production is the right response. So what do they do? Well for one thing they read the room. They setup for what is happening and invest in green, just like the leftists want them to do. Could they push more oil, sure, by that would be financially irresponsible. Gone are those heady days when the administration celebrated high prices because they though it would compel people to change their behaviors and embrace green. Now that they know people are pissed at what they have done, they blame others, instead of looking in the mirror at the devastation they have created. You really need to think about the impact an administration can have on an industry vs the macro-economic environment of their industry. US companies are producing as much oil now as they ever have been. So Biden has not had an impact on supply. And are you suggesting demand now exceeds 19 during "booming" times? US companies could produce double the oil they are now but if the world spot market for oil is at $100 a barrel, they'll continue to make money hand over fist and the US consumers will still pay $4 at the pump. You blaming Biden is completely ludicrous. 1 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Raven Fan 362 Posted November 14, 2022 5 minutes ago, Bert said: Biden is on record stating Exxon and other oil majors are not producing oil and that is what is causing high gasoline prices. Well, which is it? The oil robber barrons pail in comparison to Bezos, Soros and Gates. Bezos, Soros and Gates? How exactly are they robbing us? By giving away billions of dollars? lmfao Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,275 Posted November 14, 2022 1 minute ago, Raven Fan said: You really need to think about the impact an administration can have on an industry vs the macro-economic environment of their industry. US companies are producing as much oil now as they ever have been. So Biden has not had an impact on supply. And are you suggesting demand now exceeds 19 during "booming" times? US companies could produce double the oil they are now but if the world spot market for oil is at $100 a barrel, they'll continue to make money hand over fist and the US consumers will still pay $4 at the pump. You blaming Biden is completely ludicrous. Biden has impacted supply. When you announce to your voters, because that is what the children over in his base wanted, that you are taking out the oil industry....that industry has a fiduciary duty to protect itself from that. This is not new, nor unique to the oil industry, every group out there closely watches the undulations of federal leadership across all spectrums and has internal teams where they only job is to interpret governmental changes and policies and translate them into corporate polices and responses. When he says things, let alone takes actual actions, those groups create response strategies. Remember when our VP said they should not close the border but instead look into "root causes", here is a chance for the administration to live up to that. Stop attacking the energy industry. Bring them in. Talk about a strategy for the future, and watch what happens......its just that simple. But he wont do that, you see the children on the left would assail him for stepping outside the religion of climate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BuckSwope 654 Posted November 14, 2022 1 hour ago, jerryskids said: I don't equate maternal care with abortions, not even close. You do? I'll await @Sean Mooneyto tell us we don't have concrete proof so we shouldn't do further investigation. I don't, but planned parenthood talks in those terms, which includes abortions as part of their care and services provided as an example. Just pointing out its not uncommon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,275 Posted November 14, 2022 1 minute ago, BuckSwope said: I don't, but planned parenthood talks in those terms, which includes abortions as part of their care and services provided as an example. Just pointing out its not uncommon. It makes sense. If you hold yourself "virtuous" you have to reframe things you know are not congruent with that virtue. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Raven Fan 362 Posted November 14, 2022 7 minutes ago, RLLD said: Biden has impacted supply. When you announce to your voters, because that is what the children over in his base wanted, that you are taking out the oil industry....that industry has a fiduciary duty to protect itself from that. This is not new, nor unique to the oil industry, every group out there closely watches the undulations of federal leadership across all spectrums and has internal teams where they only job is to interpret governmental changes and policies and translate them into corporate polices and responses. When he says things, let alone takes actual actions, those groups create response strategies. Remember when our VP said they should not close the border but instead look into "root causes", here is a chance for the administration to live up to that. Stop attacking the energy industry. Bring them in. Talk about a strategy for the future, and watch what happens......its just that simple. But he wont do that, you see the children on the left would assail him for stepping outside the religion of climate. You keep repeating the same thing. US energy production is back up to levels pre-covid. So Biden hasn't done a single thing to the energy industry other than put them on notice that the US will be pivoting away from fossil fuels when green technology catches up. The ONLY way Biden can impact energy prices would be to impact supply. The US has little to no influence on overall energy prices. Supply back to peak levels shows that the energy companies are not impacted by Biden in the least. And I'll take the religion of climate, an observable, measurable phenomenon over the conservatives obsession with the sky daddy. Sea levels are rising. Sea temperatures are increasing. The world is getting hotter with more radical weather. All indisputable and measurable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites