Deion Sanders head coach at Colorado

[peenie 1,905]

Any thoughts?

From Yahoo:

With the hire of Sanders, the school is hoping to significantly raise the profile of its football program. Sanders brought the national spotlight to Jackson State, winning high-profile recruiting battles off the field and games on the field. Most notably, Sanders recruited Travis Hunter to Jackson State. Hunter was the No. 1 player in the class of 2022 and a longtime Florida State commit. On signing day, Hunter ended up signing with Jackson State rather than FSU, Sanders’ alma mater.

 

He leaves Jackson State, an HBCU.

From Twitter:

He used JSU as a stepping stone to break into college coaching and disguised it as a mission to elevate HBCUs...before JSU, the highest level he ever coached was as an offensive coordinator in high school...every resource he's brought to Jackson will leave right along with him

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,239]

That’s a shame. I thought he was legit into building up JSU

[nobody 2,566]

I hope he does well.  

[Raven Fan 362]

He has a great record at JS.  He must know what he's doing.  He's got great recruit coming in whom I assume will follow Deon to Colorado. 

[Fireballer 2,639]

I was hoping he would stay at JS longer. It was cool that he was shedding some light on the HBCU schools. Colorado just seems "meh" compared the the big splash he made at JS.  

[patweisers44 815]

I feel like he should have gone to a bigger program. I wouldve liked to see him tackle an SEC or Big Ten gig. Even a higher profile ACC position.

 

Football is never going to be that big at Colorado.  

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,239]

27 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

I was hoping he would stay at JS longer. It was cool that he was shedding some light on the HBCU schools. Colorado just seems "meh" compared the the big splash he made at JS.  

yep I get it if he went big, but he was far more influential at JCU than colorado, seems like a down grade on what he brings to the game.  I am disappointed.

 

[Alias Detective 1,389]

Should be easy to get recruits as a weed friendly state. 

[JustinCharge 2,397]

everyone seems to like him.  hope he does well.

[BunnysBastatrds 2,318]

 His first hire should be a tackling coach. 

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

What do you guys think about what he said the the Colorado team?

 

[TBayXXXVII 2,484]

On 12/4/2022 at 10:04 AM, peenie said:

Any thoughts?

From Yahoo:

With the hire of Sanders, the school is hoping to significantly raise the profile of its football program. Sanders brought the national spotlight to Jackson State, winning high-profile recruiting battles off the field and games on the field. Most notably, Sanders recruited Travis Hunter to Jackson State. Hunter was the No. 1 player in the class of 2022 and a longtime Florida State commit. On signing day, Hunter ended up signing with Jackson State rather than FSU, Sanders’ alma mater.

 

He leaves Jackson State, an HBCU.

From Twitter:

He used JSU as a stepping stone to break into college coaching and disguised it as a mission to elevate HBCUs...before JSU, the highest level he ever coached was as an offensive coordinator in high school...every resource he's brought to Jackson will leave right along with him

I think it's funny really.  I'm not surprised though.  He stood up on a soap box for years telling black kids to go to HBCU's to elevate the athletic programs and put them on the map for other black kids.  Then, he takes a job there, and say's 'see, I practice what I preach' (paraphrasing).  The funny part is, he wins (which I wasn't really surprised about), but then dumps the HBCU's for more money.  Gotta love it.

"Black people, stick it to whitey.... unless whitey pays you".  That really ended up being his message.

I'll be curious to see how many of his JSU kids follow him to CU.

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

6 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

I think it's funny really.  I'm not surprised though.  He stood up on a soap box for years telling black kids to go to HBCU's to elevate the athletic programs and put them on the map for other black kids.  Then, he takes a job there, and say's 'see, I practice what I preach' (paraphrasing).  The funny part is, he wins (which I wasn't really surprised about), but then dumps the HBCU's for more money.  Gotta love it.

"Black people, stick it to whitey.... unless whitey pays you".  That really ended up being his message.

I'll be curious to see how many of his JSU kids follow him to CU.

He got paid $300,000 a year and donated half of that salary to improved the facilities.  He turned a program around and brought a lot of attention to them.  Now he gets the chance rebuild a an FBS program.  I don't blame him.

[Mike Honcho 5,098]

Can't believe he's going to Colorado...why Colorado of all places?  

[TBayXXXVII 2,484]

17 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

He got paid $300,000 a year and donated half of that salary to improved the facilities.  He turned a program around and brought a lot of attention to them.  Now he gets the chance rebuild a an FBS program.  I don't blame him.

Where did I say I blame him?  I just think it's funny that people love to promote the black agenda and bail on it as soon as the white man comes along and pays you.  Like I said, he ranted and raved how star black athletes should go to HBCU's and he said, 'I'll lead the way' (again, paraphrasing).  Good for him.  I'm all for it.  BUT, he bailed on them as soon as the white man came along to pay him.  "Sorry, black folks, I'm out.  Whitey given me the duckets".

I'll never fault anyone for taking a better job, a better paying job, and something that'll improve themselves.  The thing is, he was as Jackson St for 3 years and accomplished NOTHING towards the goal he was trying to achieve, which was to bring notoriety and appeal to HBCU's to improve them.  Great!  Out in 3 years and back to oblivion for the HBCU's.  Congrats to him for using an agenda to get him on the coaching map.

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

1 minute ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Where did I say I blame him?  I just think it's funny that people love to promote the black agenda and bail on it as soon as the white man comes along and pays you.  Like I said, he ranted and raved how star black athletes should go to HBCU's and he said, 'I'll lead the way' (again, paraphrasing).  Good for him.  I'm all for it.  BUT, he bailed on them as soon as the white man came along to pay him.  "Sorry, black folks, I'm out.  Whitey given me the duckets".

I'll never fault anyone for taking a better job, a better paying job, and something that'll improve themselves.  The thing is, he was as Jackson St for 3 years and accomplished NOTHING towards the goal he was trying to achieve, which was to bring notoriety and appeal to HBCU's to improve them.  Great!  Out in 3 years and back to oblivion for the HBCU's.  Congrats to him for using an agenda to get him on the coaching map.

No where did I say you blamed him.  I disagree with all the race crap you added though.

[TBayXXXVII 2,484]

1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I disagree with all the race crap you added though.

Then you weren't paying attention.

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

33 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

"Black people, stick it to whitey.... unless whitey pays you"

I disagree with this

[TBayXXXVII 2,484]

Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

I disagree with this

That's not what happened?

[WhiteWonder 2,677]

not to say what he did at JSU wasn't nice, but this is not surprising and certainly has the feel of "gotcha" after basically just 2 seasons there. 

Although i disagree with the twitter comment in Peenies OP about using JSU as a stepping stone, when he's going to Colorado. Seems like a program he could have gone to with no coaching experience, based on name value alone anyway. 

.. and I don't exactly think the right move would have been going to a bigger program. I think he would have gotten has azz handed to him. It may happen another 2-3 years down the line. 

 

 

[craftsman 1,045]

1 hour ago, Mike Honcho said:

Can't believe he's going to Colorado...why Colorado of all places?  

He likes gays. 

[craftsman 1,045]

On 12/4/2022 at 10:04 AM, peenie said:

Any thoughts?

From Yahoo:

With the hire of Sanders, the school is hoping to significantly raise the profile of its football program. Sanders brought the national spotlight to Jackson State, winning high-profile recruiting battles off the field and games on the field. Most notably, Sanders recruited Travis Hunter to Jackson State. Hunter was the No. 1 player in the class of 2022 and a longtime Florida State commit. On signing day, Hunter ended up signing with Jackson State rather than FSU, Sanders’ alma mater.

 

He leaves Jackson State, an HBCU.

From Twitter:

He used JSU as a stepping stone to break into college coaching and disguised it as a mission to elevate HBCUs...before JSU, the highest level he ever coached was as an offensive coordinator in high school...every resource he's brought to Jackson will leave right along with him

What's an HBCU? 

And everyone uses companies, people, roles, positions, as stepping stones to move up in business. Why settle for less if you want more? Do you want to stay and intern for life or do you prefer to lead on the top levels? 

I don't care where anyone wants to land, but, they should have an option to move up from stupid interest group mentality if they want.

[Mike Honcho 5,098]

2 minutes ago, craftsman said:

What's an HBCU? 

 

Historically Black College or University

[craftsman 1,045]

Just now, Mike Honcho said:

Historically Black College or University

So segregation. I'm all in. I guess Sanders isn't it seems. 

Maybe it is a shame. 

[WhiteWonder 2,677]

36 minutes ago, craftsman said:

What's an HBCU? 

And everyone uses companies, people, roles, positions, as stepping stones to move up in business. Why settle for less if you want more? Do you want to stay and intern for life or do you prefer to lead on the top levels? 

I don't care where anyone wants to land, but, they should have an option to move up from stupid interest group mentality if they want.

while this is all true, I think the issue lies in the fact that Deion Sanders can land anywhere he wants, whenever he wants based on being Deion Sanders. So the fact that he originally came off as being so passionate about lifting up football programs at HBCUs rings hollow when he leaves after 2 seasons. 

...and it's not even a stepping stone because I'm fairly certain he could have had a coaching job at Colorado or a similar level organization with no experience. He didn't need the 2 seasons at JSU. 

 

I don't care one way or another, this is just my take on it

[TBayXXXVII 2,484]

1 hour ago, WhiteWonder said:

not to say what he did at JSU wasn't nice, but this is not surprising and certainly has the feel of "gotcha" after basically just 2 seasons there. 

Although i disagree with the twitter comment in Peenies OP about using JSU as a stepping stone, when he's going to Colorado. Seems like a program he could have gone to with no coaching experience, based on name value alone anyway. 

.. and I don't exactly think the right move would have been going to a bigger program. I think he would have gotten has azz handed to him. It may happen another 2-3 years down the line. 

 

 

After all the politicking he did about star black athletes should be choosing HBCU's and his history on placing money above all else, it's very hard to not look at this as a slap in the face and a con job he pulled on Jackson St and black athletes.  I'm willing to bet that the top DB recruit he got to go to Jackson St, enters the transfer portal.  If he doesn't, then that kid deserves more respect than Sanders does on this front.  If Sanders was there for 10 years, then that's a totally different story... but 3 years?  Nope.  He was just pandering to a movement to get a job.  From that perspective, I think Sanders used Jackson St as a stepping stone.  I think that twitter comment is absolutely right.

I'll be interested to see if any other former athletes or HC's try to take jobs at HBCU's to try and get the ball rolling into careers at Power 5 conference schools.  If that becomes a trend, then that could be seen as proof that HBCU's are going to be looked at as stepping stones and that Sanders started it.

[WhiteWonder 2,677]

4 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

After all the politicking he did about star black athletes should be choosing HBCU's and his history on placing money above all else, it's very hard to not look at this as a slap in the face and a con job he pulled on Jackson St and black athletes.  I'm willing to bet that the top DB recruit he got to go to Jackson St, enters the transfer portal.  If he doesn't, then that kid deserves more respect than Sanders does on this front.  If Sanders was there for 10 years, then that's a totally different story... but 3 years?  Nope.  He was just pandering to a movement to get a job.  From that perspective, I think Sanders used Jackson St as a stepping stone.  I think that twitter comment is absolutely right.

I'll be interested to see if any other former athletes or HC's try to take jobs at HBCU's to try and get the ball rolling into careers at Power 5 conference schools.  If that becomes a trend, then that could be seen as proof that HBCU's are going to be looked at as stepping stones and that Sanders started it.

the bolded part I agree with... and the recruit should absolutely enter the portal. 

I don't think Sanders pandered to a movement to get a job because I don't think he needed to pander in any way to get that job. He's Deion Sanders. It's JSU. He didn't need to include any of the politicking in order to get that job. ... and the stepping stone thing is hard for me to believe because I highly doubt having only 2 full seasons as the HC at JSU was really needed for him to get the Colorado job. ...  Did he bolt for more money? probably. Does he think coaching Colorado could be the stepping stone to a big time program? That is likely. I just don't think someone like him needed Jackson St as any sort of stepping stone to a program like Colorado. I think he could have started there or somewhere similar if he wanted. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,484]

10 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

the bolded part I agree with... and the recruit should absolutely enter the portal. 

I don't think Sanders pandered to a movement to get a job because I don't think he needed to pander in any way to get that job. He's Deion Sanders. It's JSU. He didn't need to include any of the politicking in order to get that job. ... and the stepping stone thing is hard for me to believe because I highly doubt having only 2 full seasons as the HC at JSU was really needed for him to get the Colorado job. ...  Did he bolt for more money? probably. Does he think coaching Colorado could be the stepping stone to a big time program? That is likely. I just don't think someone like him needed Jackson St as any sort of stepping stone to a program like Colorado. I think he could have started there or somewhere similar if he wanted. 

The reason I disagree with this is because he used race to get the job.  Had he gone to them and said, "Hey, you know who I am.  You know what kind of following I have and my reputation.  You know I was a MLB All-Star and an NFL Pro-Bowler.  You know what I bring.  Give me a chance to see what we can do for this school."  But he didn't.  He made it public that he felt that top black athletes should choose HBCU's to help the schools and black people as a whole.  That was his message.

Fair enough, but I'd imagine that if his name carried as much weight as you think it does in the coaching world, he'd have already had a coaching gig in a Power 5 conference.

I'll just throw this in, as I don't really follow college football all that much, but when I was a kid, Colorado was constantly in the top 25 and in bowl games.  I don't know when that stopped, but I'm thinking that they could become a power house school with good recruiting and coaching.

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

I find it hard to believe he did it all just for the money.  I can't imagine he needs a coaching job to make enough money.  He can make plenty of money doing just about anything he wants.

[TBayXXXVII 2,484]

Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

I find it hard to believe he did it all just for the money.  I can't imagine he needs a coaching job to make enough money.  He can make plenty of money doing just about anything he wants.

Sanders has ALWAYS been about the money.  I think he absolutely pandered to a movement to get a job at an HBCU, and used that to get a job at a Power 5 school.  Oh, I think he wants to win, but I think money is the #1 motivation.

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

Just now, TBayXXXVII said:

Sanders has ALWAYS been about the money.  I think he absolutely pandered to a movement to get a job at an HBCU, and used that to get a job at a Power 5 school.  Oh, I think he wants to win, but I think money is the #1 motivation.

Money is definitely a factor to an extent.  I agree with WhiteWonder on this though, I don't think he used JSU just to make more money at another school.  I think he honestly cared about helping HBCU's.

[WhiteWonder 2,677]

2 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

The reason I disagree with this is because he used race to get the job.  Had he gone to them and said, "Hey, you know who I am.  You know what kind of following I have and my reputation.  You know I was a MLB All-Star and an NFL Pro-Bowler.  You know what I bring.  Give me a chance to see what we can do for this school."  But he didn't.  He made it public that he felt that top black athletes should choose HBCU's to help the schools and black people as a whole.  That was his message.

Fair enough, but I'd imagine that if his name carried as much weight as you think it does in the coaching world, he'd have already had a coaching gig in a Power 5 conference.

Oh yes. He definitely used race and he definitely had a message. I just don't believe he needed to in order to GET the job. I always got the sense that his message was more about bringing in recruits than it was something he needed to be hired in the first place. 

There could be tons of factors in terms of his new "budding" coaching career. He didn't even leave NFL Network until 2020. Maybe he could have coached at a school like Colorado or similar but not for the 30ish million hes getting paid by them now. Maybe he really did simply have an agenda to build JSU but now his desires have changed. It's not even so much that I think his name carries weight in the coaching world but there are definitely lesser schools in power 5 conferences that would probably see him both as someone who knows football but also someone who could very much help them in winning recruits from the actual power programs. 

[WhiteWonder 2,677]

4 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Money is definitely a factor to an extent.  I agree with WhiteWonder on this though, I don't think he used JSU just to make more money at another school.  I think he honestly cared about helping HBCU's.

thats not what I said though. I don't think he actually cared about helping HBCU's or he'd still be there.  I just don't buy into the notion that he needed JSU as a stepping stone 

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

1 minute ago, WhiteWonder said:

thats not what I said though. I don't think he actually cared about helping HBCU's or he'd still be there.  I just don't buy into the notion that he needed JSU as a stepping stone 

The last sentence was just my own opinion.  I should have made another paragraph.  I wasn't trying to suggest that you thought he cared.

[listen2me 23 1,825]

Just now, WhiteWonder said:

thats not what I said though. I don't think he actually cared about helping HBCU's or he'd still be there.  I just don't buy into the notion that he needed JSU as a stepping stone 

I do.  He had little to no real coaching experience.   HS? No real D1 team was going to take him in.  Hell Colorado is as good as he got now after all he did at JSU.  

We can speculate.   But the writing on the wall says otherwise.    Did any other college pursue his services before he to JSU job?  I don't remember.   

Maybe he is a good coach.   But it was an easy resume builder.   HBU getting some recruits they had no chance at because deion is coach.  Easy success.  

I have no opinion of his HBU commitment and being genuine.  I have no idea what his intentions are/were.   Good for him.  

[TBayXXXVII 2,484]

31 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Money is definitely a factor to an extent.  I agree with WhiteWonder on this though, I don't think he used JSU just to make more money at another school.  I think he honestly cared about helping HBCU's.

If he honestly cared, he'd still be there.

[Hawkeye21 2,382]

1 minute ago, TBayXXXVII said:

If he honestly cared, he'd still be there.

I guess it's all just speculation

[listen2me 23 1,825]

2 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

If he honestly cared, he'd still be there.

Yeah it isn't like Auburn came knocking.  Colorado is obviously a step up and if you can make them halfway decent then that is ammo to jump up again.  But it isn't like some offer he couldn't refuse came up.  Other than money.  

But like I said, good for him.  If hes real serious about coaching and rising up the ranks then this is a logical move.  

[TBayXXXVII 2,484]

6 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I guess it's all just speculation

If he didn't do all that racial politicking before getting the job, I think you'd be right, but I can't give him the benefit of the doubt when he left after 3 seasons.  Had it been 10 years (maybe even 7), I'd agree with you... just not 3.

[WhiteWonder 2,677]

22 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

I do.  He had little to no real coaching experience.   HS? No real D1 team was going to take him in.  Hell Colorado is as good as he got now after all he did at JSU.  

We can speculate.   But the writing on the wall says otherwise.    Did any other college pursue his services before he to JSU job?  I don't remember.   

Maybe he is a good coach.   But it was an easy resume builder.   HBU getting some recruits they had no chance at because deion is coach.  Easy success.  

I have no opinion of his HBU commitment and being genuine.  I have no idea what his intentions are/were.   Good for him.  

no way to ever really know. I don't honestly even remember when he took the JSU job if it was common knowledge that he was looking to get into coaching. He could have received offers to certain schools, while he was still an analyst, that he felt were too low..

the thing with the experience and JSU as a resume builder is it was just 2 full seasons and Jeff Saturday is coaching the Colts .  Deions recruiting ability alone could have been more valuable than any experience for certain college programs.