Full Swing - Season 2 out now

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PGA Tour documentary. Deserves a separate thread from the official tour thread. 

 

 

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I'd rather watch the WNBA.

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Looks like they'll be focusing on players from both the Big Boy Tour and the LIV tour.  Rory supposedly makes an appearance.

Can't wait to check it out.

Full Swing Trailor

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40 minutes ago, BufordT said:

Looks like they'll be focusing on players from both the Big Boy Tour and the LIV tour.  Rory supposedly makes an appearance.

Can't wait to check it out.

Full Swing Trailor

Nice finding on the trailer. I'm adding it to the op. 

[Reality 3,121]

From the producers of Drive to Survive, which is incredible, should be really good. Looking forward to it.

[WhiteWonder 2,749]

Looks great but I had to laugh at the trailer “ every year these guys fight for their careers”. And it’s mostly a list of guys who have it made lol. 

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I’d rather watch grass grow then anything golf related. 
I was hoping this was about swingers. Disappointed 

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[WhiteWonder 2,749]

excited to watch an episode or 2 tonight

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Brooks Koepka's house 

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JT/Spieth episode - Awesome

Brooks Keopka episode - very good

Ian Poulter episode - meh

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19 minutes ago, bostonlager said:

 

Ian Poulter episode - meh

Poults is definitely an acquired taste

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2 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Poults is definitely an acquired taste

I love Poults, just thought his episode was a little boring. 

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28 minutes ago, bostonlager said:

JT/Spieth episode - Awesome

 

The last quarter of it was basically just a recap of the PGA Champ. last year, which was a little bit of a letdown. The first half was sweet though.

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Joel Dahmen episode - solid

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The starter for the open always said it best

IAN poulterrrrrr

I miss that guy.

 

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If I ever have trouble falling asleep I’m going to listen to Matt Fitzpatrick interviews. 

[WhiteWonder 2,749]

Watched the first 3 episodes 

without really giving any spoilers… I love how each episode they have to remind us that players don’t take home a check if they miss the cut. (Aside from the fact the guys featured get paid in a round about way just to be there anyway).

upsetting they had chamblee on there. So out of touch with the reality of LIV / PGA… or just turning a blind eye to the hypocrisy. 

 

and then not really having to do with this series but some of the clips just reinforced the following…
 

Phils comments that it was a once in a lifetime opportunity to shape the way the PGA tour operates ended up being spot on. 

Playing golf for LIV doesn’t cover up Saudi human rights violations. If anything, it’s brought more attention to the issues because it gets talked about so much more on a very large professional sports stage. 
 

… I actually don’t believe in sports washing, other than being a buzz term people created. Does anyone really believe that a nation can wash their image by shifting the focus to sports? Saudi Arabia funds LIV golf. What happens when LIV golf events are not going on? And when they are, the narrative only shines more light on SA image. 

full swing has reinforced my belief that PGA are the ones who acted like butt hurt babies.
 

sorry for that rant… probably belonged in the Saudi golf league thread. 
 

very good series so far. Can’t wait for Rory on his high horse. 

 

 

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Watched the first episode last night. Some.of the behind the scenes stuff is cool. It also reinforced that JT has a very punchable face and Spieth is the WORST to watch when he isnt playing well.

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1 minute ago, patweisers44 said:

Watched the first episode last night. Some.of the behind the scenes stuff is cool. It also reinforced that JT has a very punchable face and Spieth is the WORST to watch when he isnt playing well.

I like Mike Thomas  And I felt like the episode made me like JT just a little more than I did before. 
 

 

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7 hours ago, WhiteWonder said:

Watched the first 3 episodes 

without really giving any spoilers… I love how each episode they have to remind us that players don’t take home a check if they miss the cut. (Aside from the fact the guys featured get paid in a round about way just to be there anyway).

upsetting they had chamblee on there. So out of touch with the reality of LIV / PGA… or just turning a blind eye to the hypocrisy. 

 

and then not really having to do with this series but some of the clips just reinforced the following…
 

Phils comments that it was a once in a lifetime opportunity to shape the way the PGA tour operates ended up being spot on. 

Playing golf for LIV doesn’t cover up Saudi human rights violations. If anything, it’s brought more attention to the issues because it gets talked about so much more on a very large professional sports stage. 
 

… I actually don’t believe in sports washing, other than being a buzz term people created. Does anyone really believe that a nation can wash their image by shifting the focus to sports? Saudi Arabia funds LIV golf. What happens when LIV golf events are not going on? And when they are, the narrative only shines more light on SA image. 

full swing has reinforced my belief that PGA are the ones who acted like butt hurt babies.
 

sorry for that rant… probably belonged in the Saudi golf league thread. 
 

very good series so far. Can’t wait for Rory on his high horse. 

 

 

Dish boy doesn't have much to do in life it seems.

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12 hours ago, bostonlager said:

JT/Spieth episode - Awesome

Brooks Keopka episode - very good

Ian Poulter episode - meh

 

11 hours ago, Fireballer said:

Poults is definitely an acquired taste

 

11 hours ago, bostonlager said:

I love Poults, just thought his episode was a little boring. 

I thought the Brooks episode was good in that it showed how once he got a taste of winning he clearly needs that constant validation. It feels like more than the standard “these guys always want to win”… based on how he had a slower start to his career and was initially just happy to be on tour. Also shows his idc attitude was total BS. 
 

loved the poulter episode. I was always a fan even though I knew he came off as a cocky asshole but it definitely showed him in a better light. The story of how he made it was always cool but he also seems like a legit family man and it was the perfect look into why someone would jump to LIV. 33 million in earnings over a long career, nearing the end, not qualifying for masters or us open, can bank 40 million guaranteed. 

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5 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Dish boy doesn't have much to do in life it seems.

Mom had your breakfast ready early today?

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12 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

Mom had your breakfast ready early today?

Your two dads didn't have yours ready I'm guessing. Maybe they don't like you sitting in their basement all day and night watching tv. 

 

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11 hours ago, bostonlager said:

Joel Dahmen episode - solid

Hopefully the same will be said for his Genesis play

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23 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

I like Mike Thomas  And I felt like the episode made me like JT just a little more than I did before. 
 

 

I would agree on both counts.

Despite the punchability of JTs face

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I watch the PNC every year. I think JT and his dad have played 3 times now. His dad being a very likeable person, does not make his sun any more likeable or less punchable. 

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Just now, edjr said:

I watch the PNC every year. I think JT and his dad have played 3 times now. His dad being a very likeable person, does not make his sun any more likeable or less punchable. 

The episode was more about JT than Spieth but I came away from it liking Justin more than I did (which was not much aside from him helping me win the PGA edex last year ) and finding Jordan to be less likable 

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After episode 2, I’m guessing Schefflers  wife is much more tolerable to be married to than Jena Simms.  

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29 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

After episode 2, I’m guessing Schefflers  wife is much more tolerable to be married to than Jena Simms.  

I was thinking the same thing during that episode. She isn't that hot either. You would think his money could pull something better to look at. 

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23 minutes ago, bostonlager said:

I was thinking the same thing during that episode. She isn't that hot either. You would think his money could pull something better to look at. 

Yeah, especially with no make up on.  Watching her in the gallery, it’s almost like she preoccupied with her gravy train ending as Brooks’ play spirals.  

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1 hour ago, bostonlager said:

I was thinking the same thing during that episode. She isn't that hot either. You would think his money could pull something better to look at. 

 

1 hour ago, Fireballer said:

Yeah, especially with no make up on.  Watching her in the gallery, it’s almost like she preoccupied with her gravy train ending as Brooks’ play spirals.  

Without looking it up I would guess they were together before he made it big. There seems to be a clear difference between the guys like Rickie/Brooks/Dustin who were single and stars and some others. Poulter is a flashy guy who was very successful but took a different/longer road and his wife is umm.. ummm.. and we saw the same with Finau. He was together with his wife before making it big… otherwise I’d think he could easily pull hotter 

 

edit: just realized you guys were saying brooks could have pulled better.  Read it as scottie could have

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Also….. Mike Oxlong

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13 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

Also….. Mike Oxlong

Not sure how that didn't hit the editing room floor. 

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Just now, bostonlager said:

Not sure how that didn't hit the editing room floor. 

They needed something. The Mito stuff was very boring. 

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I have so much to say regarding the final episode. I'll bullet point it to make it less of a novel, and YES it is all regarding LIV/PGA

• Very start, they show Rory in a presser saying "none of the top guys are going, so doesn't that say something?"... whelp, Cam, DJ, Brooks, Bryson, Niemann, Louis, etc have all gone and LIV has yet to even start it's first full season 
• Rory is so so bitter and so so wrong. Seriously, "fock you Phil, I hope that makes it in"?... Do we think any of the LIV guys are sitting around wasting their time cursing any of the PGA guys? Yeah, certain guys have filed lawsuits like a Reed, but for the most part you think guys like DJ and Cam Smith are so bitter?
• Wasn't it telling in the scene where Rory is eating lunch and chatting with what I guess was a PGA higher up and he said a lot of the top players who attended the players only meeting were blindsided when Monahan said certain things would be mandatory? Sounds like a lot of those top PGA guys wanted to say they would make an effort to play together at more events for stronger fields as long as it meant more $$ and as long as they could still pick and choose and ultimately back out if they wanted.
• Sean Foley said it perfectly. the guys on the PGA have LIV to thank for all these bigger purses. Maybe it would have happened eventually but it showed them they have more power than they thought. 

As a golf fan who admittedly wishes none of this had ever happened, it's so blatantly obvious that the PGA doesn't mind when its players tee it up in DP World Tour events and other tours because those tours are no threat to the PGA. If anything, the PGA has a lot to gain from those tours as their top players act as a feeder system to the PGA. So even though LIV is technically just another tour, the PGA has nothing to gain so bring on the bans. LIV is not going to produce any new talent for the PGA to grab, so fock em. 

Essentially, PGA enjoys being the big dog, picking off talent from the feeder systems and doesn't like it so much when some of their best players or biggest names want to play a dozen events elsewhere. Sports washing and Saudi money is the easiest excuse to use. 

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21 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

I have so much to say regarding the final episode. I'll bullet point it to make it less of a novel, and YES it is all regarding LIV/PGA

• Very start, they show Rory in a presser saying "none of the top guys are going, so doesn't that say something?"... whelp, Cam, DJ, Brooks, Bryson, Niemann, Louis, etc have all gone and LIV has yet to even start it's first full season 
• Rory is so so bitter and so so wrong. Seriously, "fock you Phil, I hope that makes it in"?... Do we think any of the LIV guys are sitting around wasting their time cursing any of the PGA guys? Yeah, certain guys have filed lawsuits like a Reed, but for the most part you think guys like DJ and Cam Smith are so bitter?
• Wasn't it telling in the scene where Rory is eating lunch and chatting with what I guess was a PGA higher up and he said a lot of the top players who attended the players only meeting were blindsided when Monahan said certain things would be mandatory? Sounds like a lot of those top PGA guys wanted to say they would make an effort to play together at more events for stronger fields as long as it meant more $$ and as long as they could still pick and choose and ultimately back out if they wanted.
• Sean Foley said it perfectly. the guys on the PGA have LIV to thank for all these bigger purses. Maybe it would have happened eventually but it showed them they have more power than they thought. 

As a golf fan who admittedly wishes none of this had ever happened, it's so blatantly obvious that the PGA doesn't mind when its players tee it up in DP World Tour events and other tours because those tours are no threat to the PGA. If anything, the PGA has a lot to gain from those tours as their top players act as a feeder system to the PGA. So even though LIV is technically just another tour, the PGA has nothing to gain so bring on the bans. LIV is not going to produce any new talent for the PGA to grab, so fock em. 

Essentially, PGA enjoys being the big dog, picking off talent from the feeder systems and doesn't like it so much when some of their best players or biggest names want to play a dozen events elsewhere. Sports washing and Saudi money is the easiest excuse to use. 

I pretty much agree.  Skipped your bullets because I havent watched yet.  As a golf fan it sucks.  But I see it from the PGAs viewpoint.    But the PGA obviously feels threatened.  

I am all for anyone making money where they can.  I am not trying to blame anyone for taking money.   I do think easy money cheapens the sport.   LIV has a strong field for what it is.  But why are/will lesser players win a ton? Because the big dawgs are fat and happy.   Who needs grind out a range session after a round when you have money in hand?   I think a lot of these top guys will lose their edge and fall into meh territory.   That Saudi event Ancer won.   Didnt like brooks cam dechambeau all miss the cut? I know it was quite a few top guys who missed that cut. 

Any sports organization that suddenly goes up against a new organization with deeper/more generous pockets will feel threatened and act the same way.  So I don't blame thr PGA necessarily although I feel there was room for more discussion to co exist.  But basically how would you feel as the PGA to let guys play wherever?  They get to jump ship and make a ton of guarenteed money then get to play in all PGA events?  Why wouldnt every top guy right doen to Rory not jump at that if they could make a bag of money and still easily br eligible for all majors or any tourney they "feel" like playing? 

It is not the same but similar to like UFC.   Why would Dana White and the UFC let a top guy go fight for a Japan promotion get a bag of cash and let that promotion piggy back off the UFC brand?  Only for lets say thr top HW in thr world to make a load of cash come back to the states and be like yeah im just going to retire..sorry dana.

Basically to sum it up I see all sides of it.  I don't blame anyone.  It sucks as a golf fan.  

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29 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

I pretty much agree.  Skipped your bullets because I havent watched yet.  As a golf fan it sucks.  But I see it from the PGAs viewpoint.    But the PGA obviously feels threatened.  

I am all for anyone making money where they can.  I am not trying to blame anyone for taking money.   I do think easy money cheapens the sport.   LIV has a strong field for what it is.  But why are/will lesser players win a ton? Because the big dawgs are fat and happy.   Who needs grind out a range session after a round when you have money in hand?   I think a lot of these top guys will lose their edge and fall into meh territory.   That Saudi event Ancer won.   Didnt like brooks cam dechambeau all miss the cut? I know it was quite a few top guys who missed that cut. 

Any sports organization that suddenly goes up against a new organization with deeper/more generous pockets will feel threatened and act the same way.  So I don't blame thr PGA necessarily although I feel there was room for more discussion to co exist.  But basically how would you feel as the PGA to let guys play wherever?  They get to jump ship and make a ton of guarenteed money then get to play in all PGA events?  Why wouldnt every top guy right doen to Rory not jump at that if they could make a bag of money and still easily br eligible for all majors or any tourney they "feel" like playing? 

It is not the same but similar to like UFC.   Why would Dana White and the UFC let a top guy go fight for a Japan promotion get a bag of cash and let that promotion piggy back off the UFC brand?  Only for lets say thr top HW in thr world to make a load of cash come back to the states and be like yeah im just going to retire..sorry dana.

Basically to sum it up I see all sides of it.  I don't blame anyone.  It sucks as a golf fan.  

The Suadi event Ancer won, are you referring to a LIV event? If so, there are no cuts... but I understand your point regarding the fat cats of LIV not having to be motivated. 

Yes, it's the PGA's prerogative to suspend anyone who signs on with LIV, but they are doing it out of spite. 

I think the difference with other sports organizations is that their players are under contract. If a new basketball league formed, the NBA should feel threatened because basketball players are not independent contractors... so if you lose a bunch of players to the new league, you're going to be really hurting. PGA had a chance to say "well, we don't agree with where the money is coming from or the format of the league, but we've never stopped our members from playing other tours before and we won't stop now. The PGA will always be the pinnacle of golf." they already let guys play wherever... so long as it's not LIV.  Why wouldn't every top guy not jump at the opportunity for a bag of money? I guess it would be their supposed principles they keep talking about. The majors already kind of show they disagree with the PGA. Of course, a lot of the issue will come down to how can LIV guys qualify. It may take some time but if they ever do get approved for world rankings points then that wont be an issue either. 

Im not a UFC fan... do UFC guys have contracts? That would be your difference right there.

PGA also likes to forget that it started out as it's own break away tour because of..... money!.... it's easier for me to just copy and paste from wiki  
 

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With an increase of revenue in the late 1960s due to expanded television coverage, a dispute arose between the touring professionals and the PGA of America on how to distribute the windfall. The tour players wanted larger purses, where the PGA desired the money to go to the general fund to help grow the game at the local level.^[9][10] Following the final major in July 1968 at the PGA Championship, several leading tour pros voiced their dissatisfaction with the venue and the abundance of club pros in the field.^[11] The increased friction resulted in a new entity in August, what would eventually become the PGA Tour.

I just think this adds to the hypocrisy. 

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No chatter about the Joel Dahmen episode? I never heard of the guy before, but he's now my favorite golfer. I love anyone with a self-deprecating sense of humor. He and his caddy had such great banter.

Tony Finau, too, what a great guy that dude is. I'll be rooting for him harder.

Sahith Theegala, as well.

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4 minutes ago, TK0001 said:

No chatter about the Joel Dahmen episode? I never heard of the guy before, but he's now my favorite golfer. I love anyone with a self-deprecating sense of humor. He and his caddy had such great banter.

Tony Finau, too, what a great guy that dude is. I'll be rooting for him harder.

Sahith Theegala, as well.

I've always liked Dahmen and enjoyed his episode, but think it would have been better had they focused more or incorporated more with his best friend, Harry Higgs.