Why should I care about Hunter Biden?

[TBayXXXVII 2,118]

15 hours ago, Dizkneelande said:

Stop it with the logic 

It's their kryptonite. 

 

There won't be a response because he doesn't have one.  Someone else may come along with an "excuse", but that's all it'll be.

[The Real timschochet 2,951]

16 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Just to be clear... you're saying that Trump telling a government (Ukraine), to provide political information and threating to withhold money if they don't... EVEN THOUGH he gave them the money anyway, is a problem.  BUT, at the same time, you're saying that Biden telling that SAME government, to fire the guy investigating a group his son was working for... and threatening to withhold money, is perfectly fine?  To note, that government did fire that guy and then proceeded to get the money.

The problem is your description of what Biden did is extremely misleading. The guy removed was done so at the instigation of the State Department for legitimate reasons of foreign policy, which had nothing to do with Biden’s son. Biden didn’t create any policy there, he was following it. So the distinction between that situation and what Trump did is pretty big. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,118]

@Dizkneelande

See

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Just now, The Real timschochet said:

The problem is your description of what Biden did is extremely misleading. The guy removed was done so at the instigation of the State Department for legitimate reasons of foreign policy, which had nothing to do with Biden’s son. Biden didn’t create any policy there, he was following it. So the distinction between that situation and what Trump did is pretty big. 

coincidence clearly, and you are ok with the US having govt involvement in other countries, yet when Russia does it, its wrong

got it

 

[Hardcore troubadour 12,660]

5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

The problem is your description of what Biden did is extremely misleading. The guy removed was done so at the instigation of the State Department for legitimate reasons of foreign policy, which had nothing to do with Biden’s son. Biden didn’t create any policy there, he was following it. So the distinction between that situation and what Trump did is pretty big. 

Huh? He was investigating Burisma, so how can you say it had nothing to do with Hunter?!

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1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Huh? He was investigating Burisma, so how can you say it had nothing to do with Hunter?!

thats what made him corrupt

keep up

lol

[The Real timschochet 2,951]

Just now, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

coincidence clearly, and you are ok with the US having govt involvement in other countries, yet when Russia does it, its wrong

got it

 

The State Department wanted the guy fired months (or years?) before Hunter’s connection with Ukraine so I have to conclude it’s a coincidence, yes. So would you if you actually study the timeline, 

As far as your broader question: we’re not Russia. The Russian government is an autocracy headed by an evil murderer who is hellbent on conquest in order to recreate the former power and status of the Soviet Union. We involve ourselves around the world to advance our own interests, sure, but what are those interests? Our economic well being, which means the worlds economic well being, freedom for us which means freedom for all, prosperity for us which means prosperity for all. Despite what the extreme leftists and isolationists tell you we’re the good guys. What’s right for us is not right for other nations. 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 3,592]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

The State Department wanted the guy fired months (or years?) before Hunter’s connection with Ukraine so I have to conclude it’s a coincidence, yes. So would you if you actually study the timeline, 

As far as your broader question: we’re not Russia. The Russian government is an autocracy headed by an evil murderer who is hellbent on conquest in order to recreate the former power and status of the Soviet Union. We involve ourselves around the world to advance our own interests, sure, but what are those interests? Our economic well being, which means the worlds economic well being, freedom for us which means freedom for all, prosperity for us which means prosperity for all. Despite what the extreme leftists and isolationists tell you we’re the good guys. What’s right for us is not right for other nations. 

no we just do the same thing with the "instilling" democracy, we have toppled more governments than any other country in history

we are not the good guys when we invade countries EVER

 

[The Real timschochet 2,951]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Huh? He was investigating Burisma, so how can you say it had nothing to do with Hunter?!

First off we only have his word that he was investigating Burisma, offered years after the fact, for highly suspicious political reasons. 
But again, the State Department wanted him removed because of his ties to Russia and extremist groups long before Hunter Biden ever got involved in Burisma and they publicly pushed for it long before Joe Biden ever got involved, so your assumptions are simply wrong. 
 

[The Real timschochet 2,951]

1 minute ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

no we just do the same thing with the "instilling" democracy, we have toppled more governments than any other country in history

we are not the good guys when we invade countries EVER

 

Really? Were we the good guys at Normandy? 

[Jeff Probst 38]

1 minute ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

 

we are not the good guys when we invade countries EVER

 

When did we invade Ukraine?

[RaiderHaters Revenge 3,592]

Just now, Jeff Probst said:

When did we invade Ukraine?

we overthrew the dually elected president of Ukraine and instilled our own shadow govt because the elected president was partial to Russia

 

[RogerDodger 797]

Who brought out the gimp?  Guys we've already shown Tim is a pathological lying POS that creates his own narrative of events to fit his agenda.  Just ignore the idiot.  

[The Real timschochet 2,951]

Just now, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

we overthrew the dually elected president of Ukraine and instilled our own shadow govt because the elected president was partial to Russia

 

What’s this now? 

[Hardcore troubadour 12,660]

 Burisma is a corrupt energy corporation run by a Russian thug. The pro Russian government in Ukraine , due to our interference, was thrown out and a pro western government was installed. Burisma wanted to stay in business in Ukraine , so they started spreading the money around to the new government. Hunter was the recipient of some of that graft. It’s all right there. Timmy can stop with the rose colored glasses. 

[RaiderHaters Revenge 3,592]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Really? Were we the good guys at Normandy? 

yes we saved the day

sorry to me every american life is more valuable than any people from another country

 

 

[The Real timschochet 2,951]

1 minute ago, RogerDodger said:

Who brought out the gimp?  Guys we've already shown Tim is a pathological lying POS that creates his own narrative of events to fit his agenda.  Just ignore the idiot.  

They are triggered, apparently. 

[The Real timschochet 2,951]

1 minute ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

yes we saved the day

sorry to me every american life is more valuable than any people from another country

 

 

I don’t agree, necessarily, but I’m not sure what it has to do with this discussion. 

[Hardcore troubadour 12,660]

9 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

First off we only have his word that he was investigating Burisma, offered years after the fact, for highly suspicious political reasons. 
But again, the State Department wanted him removed because of his ties to Russia and extremist groups long before Hunter Biden ever got involved in Burisma and they publicly pushed for it long before Joe Biden ever got involved, so your assumptions are simply wrong. 
 

Why did they hire Hunter? Simple question. And wouldn’t you know it, the guy investigating his company got fired. Funny Ukraine didn’t fire him until Biden said if you don’t, no money. And in a matter of hours he was gone. Are you really calling that a coincidence? 

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2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

What’s this now? 

https://www.cato.org/commentary/americas-ukraine-hypocrisy

[The Real timschochet 2,951]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

 Burisma is a corrupt energy corporation run by a Russian thug. The pro Russian government in Ukraine , due to our interference, was thrown out and a pro western government was installed. Burisma wanted to stay in business in Ukraine , so they started spreading the money around to the new government. Hunter was the recipient of some of that graft. It’s all right there. Timmy can stop with the rose colored glasses. 

You’ve been spoon fed this nonsense by Fox and other conservative sources offering an alternative and false narrative of events. My “rose colored glasses” are for the actual news. 

[Jeff Probst 38]

5 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

we overthrew the dually elected president of Ukraine and instilled our own shadow govt because the elected president was partial to Russia

 

Sorry you have that backwards, the Russian shadow govt was thrown out in favor of a free and fair election, Comrade.

But either way, this doesn't constitute an invasion, so you should stop saying we invaded Ukraine.  It was Russia that invaded Ukraine.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 3,592]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

I don’t agree, necessarily, but I’m not sure what it has to do with this discussion. 

I believe we should not be the world police

I will give us WW2 as being the good guys, from Vietnam on, every war we have entered we have lied to get involved and lost many american lives in the name of "democracy"

[Hardcore troubadour 12,660]

3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

What’s this now? 

Uh, yeah. I guess you never saw the Victoria Nuland transcripts of her phone call about who was going to be in charge in Ukraine? Why would you, bubble boy?  

[RaiderHaters Revenge 3,592]

2 minutes ago, Jeff Probst said:

Sorry you have that backwards, the Russian shadow govt was thrown out in favor of a free and fair election, Comrade.

right, got it, just like we see here.  Its ok to scream election fraud when its my team, but when its your team its a threat to democracy

go away alias, cant post from your real account?

once again, though I dont believe we should be involved in any other countries govt, thats my line, you think its ok, I think we should never be involved

[The Real timschochet 2,951]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Why did they hire Hunter? Simple question. And wouldn’t you know it, the guy investigating his company got fired. Funny Ukraine didn’t fire him until Biden said if you don’t no money. And in a matter of hours he was gone. Are you really calling that a coincidence? 

1. I would guess they hired Hunter to gain influence with his dad. That’s the way the world seems to work. 
2. Again, Biden was attempting to instigate long held US policy. So yes it appears to be a coincidence. 

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14 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

The State Department wanted the guy fired months (or years?) before Hunter’s connection with Ukraine so I have to conclude it’s a coincidence, yes. So would you if you actually study the timeline, 

As far as your broader question: we’re not Russia. The Russian government is an autocracy headed by an evil murderer who is hellbent on conquest in order to recreate the former power and status of the Soviet Union. We involve ourselves around the world to advance our own interests, sure, but what are those interests? Our economic well being, which means the worlds economic well being, freedom for us which means freedom for all, prosperity for us which means prosperity for all. Despite what the extreme leftists and isolationists tell you we’re the good guys. What’s right for us is not right for other nations. 

So our moral superiority demands we pursue our self interests.  Nice how that works out.  Were we morally in second place apparently then pursuing our self interest would be immoral.

[Hardcore troubadour 12,660]

So now that Hunter has admitted the lap top is his, and it’s been verified anyway, I guess you shouldn’t care that our government colluded with the media and big tech to suppress it right before an election? Nothing to be concerned about, right? Same people up in arms because the government is removing porn from libraries. At least they do it via the legislature and out in the open.   

[Hardcore troubadour 12,660]

3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

1. I would guess they hired Hunter to gain influence with his dad. That’s the way the world seems to work. 
2. Again, Biden was attempting to instigate long held US policy. So yes it appears to be a coincidence. 

A coincidence that a few hours after Biden says fire him he’s fired with a billion dollars on the line. Why wasn’t fired before Biden made them? 

[RLLD 3,455]

4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

You’ve been spoon fed this nonsense by Fox and other conservative sources offering an alternative and false narrative of events. My “rose colored glasses” are for the actual news. 

Let's expand on this, past the he-said and you-said....

Burisma is corrupt, this is not a talking point. In fact Mr. Biden himself knew this, and THAT is why he wanted that prosecutor removed, HE appears to have know this well enough to compel the Ukrainians to get rid of a prosecutor who seems to have been very kind to these corrupt companies....the fact that his son was being bribed by them is separate from this fact. SO in terms of the first point, its a not "fox" talking point so much as a Biden action point. 

Now, on to the second portion.  The prior regime in Ukraine WAS sympathetic toward Russia and the Russian gov was happy with that, BUT the Ukrainian people knew the election was fraudulent ( you may clutch your pearls now). So they rose up and was replaced that Russian sychophant was something too pro-western for Russian tastes. NOT a "fox talking point" provable fact. 

As to the third point, I cannot say how true that is, I have no specific way of knowing how Burisma bribed, though i am aware they have done so. 

 

[The Real timschochet 2,951]

3 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

I believe we should not be the world police

I will give us WW2 as being the good guys, from Vietnam on, every war we have entered we have lied to get involved and lost many american lives in the name of "democracy"

Yes we have lied and done some very bad things. But it’s not every war from Vietnam on. We were right to free Kuwait from Iraq. We were right to remove bad guys in Kosovo. We were right to remove the Taliban in Afghanistan despite how that turned out. We were right to remove Saddam Hussein. 
Isolationism is not an option. We can’t have a prosperous society without being involved in world affairs and sometimes that includes the use of our military. If you want to argue we should be more cautious about it, and less dishonest and sometimes corrupt, I’m with you. But I can’t go for the hibernation from the world that you appear to be in favor of. 

[Dizkneelande 839]

28 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

@Dizkneelande

See

It’s a cult

[The Real timschochet 2,951]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

Let's expand on this, past the he-said and you-said....

Burisma is corrupt, this is not a talking point. In fact Mr. Biden himself knew this, and THAT is why he wanted that prosecutor removed, HE appears to have know this well enough to compel the Ukrainians to get rid of a prosecutor who seems to have been very kind to these corrupt companies....the fact that his son was being bribed by them is separate from this fact. SO in terms of the first point, its a not "fox" talking point so much as a Biden action point. 

Now, on to the second portion.  The prior regime in Ukraine WAS sympathetic toward Russia and the Russian gov was happy with that, BUT the Ukrainian people knew the election was fraudulent ( you may clutch your pearls now). So they rose up and was replaced that Russian sychophant was something too pro-western for Russian tastes. NOT a "fox talking point" provable fact. 

As to the third point, I cannot say how true that is, I have no specific way of knowing how Burisma bribed, though i am aware they have done so. 

 

I was with you on the first paragraph until you wrote “and THAT is why he wanted the prosecutor removed”. You have no proof of this and all the evidence we have points otherwise. 

[Strike 3,980]

12 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Why did they hire Hunter? Simple question. And wouldn’t you know it, the guy investigating his company got fired. Funny Ukraine didn’t fire him until Biden said if you don’t no money. And in a matter of hours he was gone. Are you really calling that a coincidence? 

To this point, here is a comment from Ted Cruz regarding an e-mail from Hunter's laptop that has recently been made public, and if you haven't seen this e-mail it's worth seeking out:

 

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There’s one email right before Hunter Biden gets invited to be on the board of Burisma and to make $83K a month. This email is incredibly detailed, it has 22 points, it’s scholarly, it’s erudite. It reads like the briefing paper that a government official gets before you take a trip abroad. It reads like a scene setter, and Joe Biden was going to Ukraine the very next week, and it raises an obvious question. Did Hunter Biden read the briefing materials Joe Biden was given, did he cut and paste them, and put them in this email? And here’s the $64,000 question: Did those briefers include classified materials?

 

[RLLD 3,455]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

I was with you on the first paragraph until you wrote “and THAT is why he wanted the prosecutor removed”. You have no proof of this and all the evidence we have points otherwise. 

Actually I can prove it, Biden himself has stated it plainly and it has been reported as well, unless you think this is another lie from him...

Rink

[Hardcore troubadour 12,660]

4 minutes ago, Strike said:

To this point, here is a comment from Ted Cruz regarding an e-mail from Hunter's laptop that has recently been made public, and if you haven't seen this e-mail it's worth seeking out:

 

 

The laptop wasn’t about hunters drugs and sex acts. Funny, all of that was leaked, pictures included. No, it was about this stuff right here, that wasn’t leaked. Shiny object distraction on display. Thanks. 

[The Real timschochet 2,951]

2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Actually I can prove it, Biden himself has stated it plainly and it has been reported as well, unless you think this is another lie from him...

Rink

 

The link you offered is a direct contradiction of what you just wrote. Are you aware of that? 

[kozmiq 70]

4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

The link you offered is a direct contradiction of what you just wrote. Are you aware of that? 

After Trump's 10,000 plus lies and Santos' prolly almost that many, Repubs think they can now just say whatever the hell they want .. and some will believe it .. or pretend to.

[RLLD 3,455]

3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

The link you offered is a direct contradiction of what you just wrote. Are you aware of that? 

But it is not, I might suggest you read it again, as it would seem your bias is coloring your comprehension of what I wrote. 

[Dizkneelande 839]

41 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

@Dizkneelande

See

Incidentally these are the same people that still believe Trump colluded with Russia and the Steele dossier was factually sound.