Cancel Bud Light! Maga Hissy Fit!

[Hardcore troubadour 15,510]

InBev sales are down across the board.  Libtards just say stuff. And some of them take half the Fockin page to say it. 

[Sean Mooney 1,984]

10 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yeah man, your analysis has shown to be spot on. One question though, where did you get that info that people had rallied around Bud Light?

People did push back initially and it should be noted in the implication that I wasn't advocating for those people just speaking as to what happened at first. 

But again- you are the person who says "I will buy other AB products but not Bud Light. I want to protect jobs." You are not even smart enough to carry out an actual boycott of something. 

[BuckSwope 654]

8 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

InBev sales are down across the board.  Libtards just say stuff. And some of them take half the Fockin page to say it. 

Not because of you, dummy - you admitted to still buying their stuff.    I guess because of people with actual convictions then? 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

46 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

A better man? No.  The tone of their message and the visuals they used? Yeah.  It is over the top.  

When rap in the 90s talked about slapping women, calling them hoes, homophobic slurs all over, killing people who disrespected them....ect ect ect

The toxic masculinity yellers were no where to be found.  

Now a days it is obviously an agenda against white straight males.  

Give me like 3 examples of "toxic masculinity".  

Back in the day was just called being a good person or being an azzhole.  But these trendy phrases catch on now with people like you and the single liberal women.  

You need to stop with the victim mentality as a straight white male.

And yeah you're right about positive masculinity is pretty much about being a good person, and again, this is not something we should be boycotting or getting upset about.  Treating women with respect, standing up to bullying, not letting anger and aggression negatively influence your behavior, etc, this is all positive stuff.  Problem is you hear "Toxic Masculinity" and the red flag goes off in your head "LIBERAL BS" and you rail against it

[BuckSwope 654]

9 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

You need to stop with the victim mentality as a straight white male.

And yeah you're right about positive masculinity is pretty much about being a good person, and again, this is not something we should be boycotting or getting upset about.  Treating women with respect, standing up to bullying, not letting anger and aggression negatively influence your behavior, etc, this is all positive stuff.  Problem is you hear "Toxic Masculinity" and the red flag goes off in your head "LIBERAL BS" and you rail against it

To me the point is for too long those things = manly/masculine: being an angry aggressive d1ck, treating women like , etc.    So I think too many people on the right think that they being told that 0 of typical male traits are allowed (and sometimes they are right - rough housing as boys discouraged, things like that), where IMO it just means tone it down a notch and stop being a doosh.   It doesn't require total neutering and acting like a woman.  

It feels like the "systemic racism" being talked about in the other thread.  when you don't say the actual terms, people agree on the ideas, but when you say the phrases - well then it must be some lefty b.s. to stand up against.   

[listen2me 23 1,874]

29 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

You need to stop with the victim mentality as a straight white male.

And yeah you're right about positive masculinity is pretty much about being a good person, and again, this is not something we should be boycotting or getting upset about.  Treating women with respect, standing up to bullying, not letting anger and aggression negatively influence your behavior, etc, this is all positive stuff.  Problem is you hear "Toxic Masculinity" and the red flag goes off in your head "LIBERAL BS" and you rail against it

Because a certain amount of people are basically against masculinity these days.  

When a woman is a straight kunt do people say that is toxic femininity? 

A guy treating a woman badly doesn't need to correlate directly to "masculinity".   Some incel who is not masculine at all who hates women and calls them names is displaying "toxic masculinity"?   Just goofy.  

There is also nothing masculine about watching a smaller weaker person get bullied.  That is actually the opposite.   

So the whole phrase is just wrong.  Can't say hey we all need to get along and this and that.  But masculinity must be attached to it.   For dumb reasons.  

As for the straight white male stuff.  Um well yea like I said you and thr people like you didn't say shlt about rap in the 90s.  Even though it was filled with the most extreme forms of "toxic masculinity" of all time.  The phrase got popular when we recently started shaming straight white males.  I just watched the commercial again to refresh.  In a day when thry want to include minorities in every commercial on tv, they strangely leave them out of that commercial for the most part.  It is white kids and men doing "things".  The worst a minority was portrayed was saying "boys will be boys".  So yea, when people say "toxic masculinity" they mean men.  But mostly the white men.  It was a pathetic commercial.  

The examples of "toxic masculinity" are weak as hell.  Because it is a stupid phrase.  

[RogerDodger 798]

 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,510]

1 hour ago, BuckSwope said:

Not because of you, dummy - you admitted to still buying their stuff.    I guess because of people with actual convictions then? 

No I didn’t. Just makin it up.  

[GutterBoy 2,899]

29 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Because a certain amount of people are basically against masculinity these days.  

When a woman is a straight kunt do people say that is toxic femininity? 

A guy treating a woman badly doesn't need to correlate directly to "masculinity".   Some incel who is not masculine at all who hates women and calls them names is displaying "toxic masculinity"?   Just goofy.  

There is also nothing masculine about watching a smaller weaker person get bullied.  That is actually the opposite.   

So the whole phrase is just wrong.  Can't say hey we all need to get along and this and that.  But masculinity must be attached to it.   For dumb reasons.  

As for the straight white male stuff.  Um well yea like I said you and thr people like you didn't say shlt about rap in the 90s.  Even though it was filled with the most extreme forms of "toxic masculinity" of all time.  The phrase got popular when we recently started shaming straight white males.  I just watched the commercial again to refresh.  In a day when thry want to include minorities in every commercial on tv, they strangely leave them out of that commercial for the most part.  It is white kids and men doing "things".  The worst a minority was portrayed was saying "boys will be boys".  So yea, when people say "toxic masculinity" they mean men.  But mostly the white men.  It was a pathetic commercial.  

The examples of "toxic masculinity" are weak as hell.  Because it is a stupid phrase.  

I don't know anyone that is against masculinity, but rather toxic masculinity.  It sounds like you just don't like those words, which again is odd, but I think it's because of your programming.  Call it whatever you want.  Men should be better, and this is the message.  It's not about shaming white males, again, get over yourself, it's about challenging men to be better and hold each other accountable.

You mentioned incels.  I don't know much about the incel culture, but from what I understand they believe they are entitled to sex and are angry at women for not providing it, so they feel that violence is justified.  This is classic toxic masculinity.  If you're saying they're not masculine, then I don't know what to tell you.  I can assume that we probably close on this subject, despite your objection to the phrasing.  As men we shouldn't expect sex from women and act out in anger when it's not provided.  If you agree then you oppose one example of toxic masculinity.  Congrats.

Regarding the commercial and minorities, there are plenty, not sure how you missed them honestly.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgwI4JkWcsA  There minorities both providing negative examples and positive examples.  At least half a dozen black men.

I really think you're just grasping at straws here in order to justify your beliefs.  It's OK to question yourself.

If you want examples of toxic masculinity, there are plenty, and they are both in the black and white communities.  You mentioned 90s rap, yes, but don't stop at 90s, it continues today.

 

[listen2me 23 1,874]

22 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

I don't know anyone that is against masculinity, but rather toxic masculinity.  It sounds like you just don't like those words, which again is odd, but I think it's because of your programming.  Call it whatever you want.  Men should be better, and this is the message.  It's not about shaming white males, again, get over yourself, it's about challenging men to be better and hold each other accountable.

You mentioned incels.  I don't know much about the incel culture, but from what I understand they believe they are entitled to sex and are angry at women for not providing it, so they feel that violence is justified.  This is classic toxic masculinity.  If you're saying they're not masculine, then I don't know what to tell you.  I can assume that we probably close on this subject, despite your objection to the phrasing.  As men we shouldn't expect sex from women and act out in anger when it's not provided.  If you agree then you oppose one example of toxic masculinity.  Congrats.

Regarding the commercial and minorities, there are plenty, not sure how you missed them honestly.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgwI4JkWcsA  There minorities both providing negative examples and positive examples.  At least half a dozen black men.

I really think you're just grasping at straws here in order to justify your beliefs.  It's OK to question yourself.

If you want examples of toxic masculinity, there are plenty, and they are both in the black and white communities.  You mentioned 90s rap, yes, but don't stop at 90s, it continues today.

 

I always thought incel as being a nerdy awkward dude who can't get laid.  Socially and or physically awkward.  So they are terrible at attracting women and in turn develop hate for them.  Maybe I have that wrong.

I won't sit and analyze the video.  There were POC in it. Most doing nothing.  The one guy stops the white guy from going after a woman.  

Yeah I want examples.   If a guy wants sex and gets mad when he doesn't get it....shouldn't those guys get weeded out by selection?  Maybe women need to do better as well.  

The straight stuff I talk about goes like this.  I have seen obviously gay males be total d-bags to girls in their group that they are out with.  Make them cry.  Call them fat.  Usually said gay guy is drunk and mouthy.   Is that toxic masculinity? I doubt anyone would say it was.  

If you need some phrase to be inserted instead of "d-bag" I guess have at it.    The term just makes it seem like classic masculinity is wrong.  Which it isn't.   But masculinity is under attack....that is exactly why that phrase is used when people could easily just say "azzhole" or "" instead.   

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Bud Light sales decline continues getting worse.  And, to those of you who keep saying people are just buying other AB brands, that's not true either.  Many of their other offerings are also seeing sales declines, and their rivals are seeing sales increases.  That suggests people are boycotting the entire brand and not just Bud Light:

https://www.outkick.com/bud-light-sales-data-june-17-decline/

AB is AGAIN giving away free beer to try to stem the losses:

https://nypost.com/2023/06/26/bud-light-offers-free-beer-over-july-4-holiday-in-wake-of-dylan-mulvaney-fiasco/

I thought the purpose of selling a product was to make money, not give it away?  I guess I'm not so good at business like GutterPedo

[GutterBoy 2,899]

12 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

I always thought incel as being a nerdy awkward dude who can't get laid.  Socially and or physically awkward.  So they are terrible at attracting women and in turn develop hate for them.  Maybe I have that wrong.

I won't sit and analyze the video.  There were POC in it. Most doing nothing.  The one guy stops the white guy from going after a woman.  

Yeah I want examples.   If a guy wants sex and gets mad when he doesn't get it....shouldn't those guys get weeded out by selection?  Maybe women need to do better as well.  

The straight stuff I talk about goes like this.  I have seen obviously gay males be total d-bags to girls in their group that they are out with.  Make them cry.  Call them fat.  Usually said gay guy is drunk and mouthy.   Is that toxic masculinity? I doubt anyone would say it was.  

If you need some phrase to be inserted instead of "d-bag" I guess have at it.    The term just makes it seem like classic masculinity is wrong.  Which it isn't.   But masculinity is under attack....that is exactly why that phrase is used when people could easily just say "azzhole" or "" instead.   

OK, so what would you call "classic masculinity"?  Is this the masculinity under attack?  What masculine behaviors do you feel like you can't exhibit now?

[listen2me 23 1,874]

11 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

OK, so what would you call "classic masculinity"?  Is this the masculinity under attack?  What masculine behaviors do you feel like you can't exhibit now?

You still seem unable to show me your examples of "toxic masculinity". Other than just being a run of the mill d bag.  

Actually ill give you a generic google.  These wouldn't all necessarily be the ones I may use.  But many of them seem to fit.  

Traditional Masculinity Examples

• You must be muscular.
• You must be a fighter.
• You must be assertive and firm.
• You must be financially well-off.
• You must not be a gossiper.
• You must be willing to make sacrifices.
• Men don't cry.
• You must be honorable.

[listen2me 23 1,874]

The men who gave their  life on the titantic in order for the most women and children to get on rafts was toxic masculinity.   Women and Men are the same remember.   Trying to be the hero because "you are the man" is toxic.  

[GutterBoy 2,899]

10 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

You still seem unable to show me your examples of "toxic masculinity". Other than just being a run of the mill d bag.  

Actually ill give you a generic google.  These wouldn't all necessarily be the ones I may use.  But many of them seem to fit.  

Traditional Masculinity Examples

• You must be muscular.
• You must be a fighter.
• You must be assertive and firm.
• You must be financially well-off.
• You must not be a gossiper.
• You must be willing to make sacrifices.
• Men don't cry.
• You must be honorable.

I answered in the other thread, but pasting here

Boys are taught to not show emotion, not to cry, don't be a sissy, punish any boy that is being a sissy.  That's not good.  Boys, and men, should be able to express their emotions.  Avoiding this often results in violence/bullying against others and/or self destructive behavior like drinking/drugs and lack of developing meaningful relationships.  Boys are taught that their self worth is in how many chicks they can bang, and that they are the superior gender.  Of course this results in destructive behavior towards women. 

Regarding your google result, I would prefer to hear from you what you think is positive vs toxic, but most of these from google are generally toxic as they lead to destructive behaviors

[GutterBoy 2,899]

5 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

The men who gave their  life on the titantic in order for the most women and children to get on rafts was toxic masculinity.   Women and Men are the same remember.   Trying to be the hero because "you are the man" is toxic.  

No it's not.  See you're just being a douche now.  You don't like the term, so you're saying dumb sh1t and distorting it.

[RogerDodger 798]

8 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

The men who gave their  life on the titantic in order for the most women and children to get on rafts was toxic masculinity.   Women and Men are the same remember.   Trying to be the hero because "you are the man" is toxic.  

Leonardo should have jumped up on the platform.  If it wouldn't hold both of them then fatty had a better chance to survive in the water.

[RogerDodger 798]

4 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Boys are taught to not show emotion, not to cry, don't be a sissy, punish any boy that is being a sissy.  That's not good. 

[listen2me 23 1,874]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

No it's not.  See you're just being a douche now.  You don't like the term, so you're saying dumb sh1t and distorting it.

The term is dumb.  Basically boys must be taught to be more feminine or else they will grow up with toxic masculinity.  

Omg young males are obsessed with sex.  Wooooh! Toxic!  

Again none of you gave 2 shltz when eazy e was smacking bltches, banging them and ditching them.  But now if an older brother high fives his younger brother for losing his virginity.....gasp!

[GutterBoy 2,899]

2 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

The term is dumb.  Basically boys must be taught to be more feminine or else they will grow up with toxic masculinity.  

Omg young males are obsessed with sex.  Wooooh! Toxic!  

Again none of you gave 2 shltz when eazy e was smacking bltches, banging them and ditching them.  But now if an older brother high fives his younger brother for losing his virginity.....gasp!

Now you're just being a douche.  I mistakenly thought you were interested in some genuine conversation.  I should have known better.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,510]

Anyone that uses the phrase toxic masculinity isn’t masculine. HTH. 

[jerryskids 6,837]

6 hours ago, BuckSwope said:

Intuit - I hope none of the Bud Light boycotters are using Turbo Tax.    so stupid.  

Bud Light is a proxy for a group of people being fed up having woke stuff shoved down their, and their kids', throats.  Much like Trump is a proxy by which the hard left including the MSM can exhibit their hatred for anyone who dare question their party line.

I would guess that Bud Light became that proxy in part because of the thought of grabbing a beer out of the cooler and seeing Dylan Mulvaney's mug on it.  I know, I know, we since learned that it was a limited release, but the damage was done and the butterfly created a hurricane.  And it doesn't hurt that Mulvaney has a very punchable face, I'm guessing we can all agree on that. 

In other words, it became more personal than Intuit or Adidas being a bronze sponsor for a Toronto pride parade so that they can check some ESG boxes for the hard lefties I mentioned.

[Tree of Knowledge 1,878]

I saw $6.99 a case at grocery store last night (after rebate).  I think most bottled water is now more expensive.  

[JustinCharge 2,397]

2 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

Boys are taught to not show emotion, not to cry

I mean, I say it is genetic.  I know because I'm a guy. 

I remember a conversation I had with a girlfriend where I said, "When you are in grade school, emotions are so overwhelming.  I'd stub my toe and bawl my eyes out.  And deep in the back of my head, I'd know there was absolutely nothing wrong but I couldn't stop crying loudly.  Then around age 13, all of my emotions permanently shut off and I cry at nothing and I'm cool as a cucumber even in horrible situations."

She responded, "But they NEVER shut off!  I'm always crying at stupid stuff and can't control it!"

Guys and girls are wired differently in that way.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

1 minute ago, JustinCharge said:

I mean, I say it is genetic.  I know because I'm a guy. 

I remember a conversation I had with a girlfriend where I said, "When you are in grade school, emotions are so overwhelming.  I'd stub my toe and bawl my eyes out.  And deep in the back of my head, I'd know there was absolutely nothing wrong but I couldn't stop crying loudly.  Then around age 13, all of my emotions permanently shut off and I cry at nothing and I'm cool as a cucumber even in horrible situations."

She responded, "But they NEVER shut off!  I'm always crying at stupid stuff and can't control it!"

Guys and girls are wired differently in that way.

I think ya'll are getting caught up at the crying thing.

Also if all your emotions permanently shut off at age 13, you got some serious problems.  Actually explains a lot.  I hope you don't own any guns.

[JustinCharge 2,397]

2 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

I think ya'll are getting caught up at the crying thing.

Also if all your emotions permanently shut off at age 13, you got some serious problems.  Actually explains a lot.  I hope you don't own any guns.

wat

so you only want guns in the hands of people who cant control their emotions?

are you crazy?

[jerryskids 6,837]

I presume that emotions are, like many things we discuss, some combination of nature and nurture.  We certainly have a history of teaching boys to "be a man" and "suck it up", but that is likely in part because we are predisposed to not show weakness, lest another male act on that weakness.

That being said, I don't have the numbers handy but IIRC many more men than women commit suicide.  It would be good to get a handle on that.   

[GutterBoy 2,899]

7 minutes ago, JustinCharge said:

wat

so you only want guns in the hands of people who cant control their emotions?

are you crazy?

There is a difference between having emotions and controlling them vs having zero emotion.  If your emotions were permanently shut off at age 13 (which I doubt, you just think it makes you sound tough to say this, classic toxic masculinity) then I feel sorry for you.  There is something wrong with you.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,510]

On very rare occasions crying is permitted. 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

8 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I presume that emotions are, like many things we discuss, some combination of nature and nurture.  We certainly have a history of teaching boys to "be a man" and "suck it up", but that is likely in part because we are predisposed to not show weakness, lest another male act on that weakness.

That being said, I don't have the numbers handy but IIRC many more men than women commit suicide.  It would be good to get a handle on that.   

It's true, and it's exactly what we're talking about.  "Be a man", "Suck it up", "Be tough", "Stop being a puzzy" is drilled into boys from birth.  You think maybe this might have something to do with it?  Men who feel inadequate, can't talk to anyone because they feel they just have to suck it up, don't want to look weak, can't admit they need help.  Welp might as well just eat a bullet.

[League Champion 1,911]

3 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

There is a difference between having emotions and controlling them vs having zero emotion.  If your emotions were permanently shut off at age 13 (which I doubt, you just think it makes you sound tough to say this, classic toxic masculinity) then I feel sorry for you.  There is something wrong with you.

You've obviously never been in the Military 🪖

[listen2me 23 1,874]

I dont understand that telling your son to suck it up is bad? 

I mean scenario and age obviously matter in all these instances.  When a 3 year old is running around and falls, they may cry.  Yeah you don't tell them to suck it up but you tell them its ok you are fine, showing them there is no need to get worked up.  If a 12 year old falls and scuffs his knee up slightly and cries yeah im going to say suck it up while I go get the antibacterial spray.  

If a 12 year old is crying over problems in school, yeah talk to them about it.  Get them to see it differently and maybe next time that comes around they won't get so worked up.  

There are countless scenarios.  You go around coddling kids that are almost teenagers and they grow up thinking anything bad that happens is some big event.  It does no good for them in the long run. 

My JV basketball coach who we all thought was a great coach was stern.  Wouldn't take pansy azz stuff.  But was fair and would make practices fun.  But yeah if you are being weak down getting rebounds he would tell you.  He had a sign on his door that said "if we don't teach right from wrong, the world will, and they are much more cruel about it". Or something along those lines.  And thats how he coached.  He didn't yell for no reason.  He wouldn't show you up.  But if you are dogging it or being a wuss sbout something stupid he would let you know.  

Im not of the camp that "men don't cry". But as you age those reasons get fewer and fewer.  If you are an emotional wreck then get them counseling.   Or get that kid counseling. Emotions are fine.  Being overly emotional is hindering.   

[listen2me 23 1,874]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

It's true, and it's exactly what we're talking about.  "Be a man", "Suck it up", "Be tough", "Stop being a puzzy" is drilled into boys from birth.  You think maybe this might have something to do with it?  Men who feel inadequate, can't talk to anyone because they feel they just have to suck it up, don't want to look weak, can't admit they need help.  Welp might as well just eat a bullet.

Have suicide rates increased over the years? 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

1 minute ago, listen2me 23 said:

I dont understand that telling your son to suck it up is bad? 

I mean scenario and age obviously matter in all these instances.

Exactly.

If my 17 year old son told me he was struggling with friends and feels alone, I would NOT tell him to suck it up.

If my 17 year old son told me he didn't feel like finishing staining the gazebo furniture, I would tell him to suck it up.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

1 minute ago, listen2me 23 said:

Have suicide rates increased over the years? 

Let me google that for you

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db433.htm

[Mike Hunt 283]

With total sales 30% off Bud Light sales will never return to where they were unless they do something drastic.

Right now AB has to bite the bullet and make Bud Light a low budget beer.  $9.99 a case. 5.99 a 12 pack.

Then if sales climb over the next year slowly raise the price a dollar a case.  

[listen2me 23 1,874]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

Exactly.

If my 17 year old son told me he was struggling with friends and feels alone, I would NOT tell him to suck it up.

If my 17 year old son told me he didn't feel like finishing staining the gazebo furniture, I would tell him to suck it up.

Thats fine.  Im with that.  

[avoiding injuries 1,595]

26 minutes ago, JustinCharge said:

Guys and girls are wired differently in that way.

Are you out of your focking mind typing that when liberals are reading this thread?!?!

[listen2me 23 1,874]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

Let me google that for you

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db433.htm

I was looking for more of a 70s 80s to now look.  Looks like before last few years they were steadily on the rise.  My point was if rates were lower in the 70s and 80s opposed to now....well....the "suck it up" was much more universal then.  Coaches were tough.  Teachers were tough.  Parents could be tough.  Compared to now.

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