Nobody needs to own an AR-15

[Engorgeous George 2,332]

51 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

No to both. I do know the gun industry made over $1 billion selling AR's the past decade. AR's look like military grade assault weapons and the misnomer doesn't hurt sales either - "ArmaLite" was no coincidence.

Seen a lot of this since ford started advertiosing its pickups were "Military grade".  To me those are words without meaning, without definition, meant to convey toughness, but without meaning.

 

Same too for "assault weapon".  When fending off an assault is it a "defense weapon"?

[GobbleDog 1,010]

11 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

Same too for "assault weapon".  When fending off an assault is it a "defense weapon"?

"I just protected the home and family with my trusty defensive weapon." - said no gun-owner ever.

[Strike 6,020]

58 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

AR's sold well because they look military grade, the misnomer, and good marketing.

Ya think "I'm making that up to fit my narrative" ?  I don't have a narrative. Banning them wouldn't make any difference to gun violence rates. Lay off the Fox News zings.

Yes, people who make stuff up are usually trying to support a narrative that they can't using data and logic.  Otherwise, they'd use data and logic.  Case in point.  Can you support your assertion that the reason people buy AR-15's is because they "look" military grade whatever that means, as opposed to the AR-15 being an effective weapon?  I mean, if it wasn't effective why are you all trying to ban it? 

[GobbleDog 1,010]

14 minutes ago, Strike said:

Yes, people who make stuff up are usually trying to support a narrative that they can't using data and logic.  Otherwise, they'd use data and logic.  Case in point.  Can you support your assertion that the reason people buy AR-15's is because they "look" military grade whatever that means, as opposed to the AR-15 being an effective weapon?  I mean, if it wasn't effective why are you all trying to ban it? 

I think most reasonable people would agree the AR-15's success is partly attributed to the look/name over merely being an effective weapon. Seems obvious.

But not to you. You demand cold hard data to irrefutably prove that, otherwise it must be made up stuff to fit a narrative?  Do you hear yourself? 

For the record, I don't care if it's banned.

[League Champion 1,926]

 

[RLLD 4,275]

1 hour ago, Engorgeous George said:

Seen a lot of this since ford started advertiosing its pickups were "Military grade".  To me those are words without meaning, without definition, meant to convey toughness, but without meaning.

 

Same too for "assault weapon".  When fending off an assault is it a "defense weapon"?

When somebody refers to something as military grade as a measure of quality I chuckle...they clearly have not had occasion to use much military hardware. 

[thegeneral 3,600]

14 minutes ago, League Champion said:

 

What a goob.

Shooting his guns to some emo music and posting like a twat to social media

[League Champion 1,926]

2 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

What a goob.

He actually is a goob. His form is terrible, he shoots like a Liberal. 

[thegeneral 3,600]

Just now, League Champion said:

He actually is a goob. His form is terrible, he shoots like a Liberal. 

Shooting and a bunch of cans in the desert sure seems like an awesome time!  This is how I picture vast majority of Jan 6th folks TBH. 

[League Champion 1,926]

1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

Shooting and a bunch of cans in the desert sure seems like an awesome time!  This is how I picture vast majority of Jan 6th folks TBH. 

I do agree, a waste of valuable and scarce ammunition. 

[Horseman 2,684]

FFS

It's Military Spec.

Military Grade is a marketing poly.  Like Trail Rated, or Ram Tough.

[thegeneral 3,600]

The gun nerds are here. Let’s hear more about your arsenals and lectures on terminology.

[League Champion 1,926]

8 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

The gun nerds are here. Let’s hear more about your arsenals and lectures on terminology.

Being scared of guns doesn't make you any less of a Man 

[thegeneral 3,600]

5 minutes ago, League Champion said:

Being scared of guns doesn't make you any less of a Man 

Like you and women’s parts

[League Champion 1,926]

1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

Like you and women’s parts

[lickin_starfish 2,006]

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[shadrap 257]

27 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

The gun nerds are here. Let’s hear more about your arsenals and lectures on terminology.

sure, you will hear more if some of the idiots here keep spouting nonsensical BS about an AR.  most people respect the 2 amendment as it its.  The usual suspects keep trying to tell the rest of us what to do, because you know, they are steeped in science & highly intelligent.

just gets old, the liberal mantra that is.

[Strike 6,020]

25 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

I think most reasonable people would agree the AR-15's success is partly attributed to the look/name over merely being an effective weapon. Seems obvious.

But not to you. You demand cold hard data to irrefutably prove that, otherwise it must be made up stuff to fit a narrative?  Do you hear yourself? 

For the record, I don't care if it's banned.

I specifically called out the following as making stuff up to fit a narrative:

Quote

 

NRA - "Congressmen, it's not an assault rifle - it's an ArmaLite."

Gun buyer - "I want to buy an Assault Rifle."

Gun seller - "Take your pick."

 

I don't think people walk in to a gun store and say "I want to buy an assault rifle."  Knowledgeable gun owners would never do that.  And if a novice tried that I'd hope the gun show owner would tell them to GTFO or at the very least educate them.  But I suspect most gun buyers have a purpose in mind and describe that purpose to the salesperson who directs them to the appropriate gun for the intended purpose. 

[Hawkeye21 2,454]

41 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

The gun nerds are here. Let’s hear more about your arsenals and lectures on terminology.

I'm not a gun nut at all but I find accuracy to be important when discussing topics like this.  There is a complete lack of education when it comes to guns yet the least educated want to make the biggest changes.

[thegeneral 3,600]

13 minutes ago, shadrap said:

sure, you will hear more if some of the idiots here keep spouting nonsensical BS about an AR.  most people respect the 2 amendment as it its.  The usual suspects keep trying to tell the rest of us what to do, because you know, they are steeped in science & highly intelligent.

just gets old, the liberal mantra that is.

If laws get passed that limit whatever the fock a gun is classified as or what you do with it then all I ask is it gets followed - even if it is more restrictive.

Guns are allowed so many special rules is crazy to me but we have in system in place, I get that. 

[The Real timschochet 7,449]

6 minutes ago, Strike said:

I specifically called out the following as making stuff up to fit a narrative:

I don't think people walk in to a gun store and say "I want to buy an assault rifle."  Knowledgeable gun owners would never do that.  And if a novice tried that I'd hope the gun show owner would tell them to GTFO or at the very least educate them.  But I suspect most gun buyers have a purpose in mind and describe that purpose to the salesperson who directs them to the appropriate gun for the intended purpose. 

Here’s what we know: 20 years ago, AR-15s represented 2% of all guns purchased. Now they represent 25% of all guns purchased. 
 

Based on that extraordinary level of increase, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to question whether or not the motivation for buying such a weapon goes well beyond the question of “what is appropriate for me?”, don’t you? 

[League Champion 1,926]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Here’s what we know: 20 years ago, AR-15s

Heroin then, fentanyl now.

OPEN BORDERS, YOU'RE NOT BLAMING JOE???

[The Real timschochet 7,449]

5 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I'm not a gun nut at all but I find accuracy to be important when discussing topics like this.  There is a complete lack of education when it comes to guns yet the least educated want to make the biggest changes.

Depends on what those changes are. 
 

For example I want universal background checks and universal registration on all firearms. I don’t need to be educated about the specifics of each firearm to want this. 

[Hawkeye21 2,454]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Here’s what we know: 20 years ago, AR-15s represented 2% of all guns purchased. Now they represent 25% of all guns purchased. 
 

Based on that extraordinary level of increase, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to question whether or not the motivation for buying such a weapon goes well beyond the question of “what is appropriate for me?”, don’t you? 

I bet if liberals didn't go crazy over them that the numbers wouldn't be so high.  They're the most talked about gun and it's all you see on the media.  What do you expect?  I would have put some good money on that percentage being closer to 10% if the media shut the hell up.

[The Real timschochet 7,449]

Just now, League Champion said:

Heroin then, fentanyl now.

OPEN BORDERS, YOU'RE NOT BLAMING JOE???

I don’t understand this post. 

[Hawkeye21 2,454]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Depends on what those changes are. 
 

For example I want universal background checks and universal registration on all firearms. I don’t need to be educated about the specifics of each firearm to want this. 

I'm good with background checks.  Not sure about registration but it wouldn't affect me much.  I don't think either of these solve many problems though.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,339]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Depends on what those changes are. 
 

For example I want universal background checks and universal registration on all firearms. I don’t need to be educated about the specifics of each firearm to want this. 

Sorry, registration is a non-starter.  The government doesn't need to know that information and shouldn't, per the Bill of Rights.  None of your business.

Background checks already happen at stores and dealers.  

[The Real timschochet 7,449]

Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

I bet if liberals didn't go crazy over them that the numbers wouldn't be so high.  They're the most talked about gun and it's all you see on the media.  What do you expect?  I would have put some good money on that percentage being closer to 10% if the media shut the hell up.

You know, it always seems to be a conservative mantra in recent years that “we didn’t want to do this but hey you pissed us off so now we’re gonna do it.” I’ve never bought it and I don’t buy it here. Personally I think that folks buy AR-15s because they look cool. I could come up with other more nuanced reasons (I’ve already mentioned pen!s envy) but basically they look scary and cool.) 

(And yes there are knowledgeable gun collectors out there like my friend @League Champion who like this platform for its versatility and yadda yadda yadda, but they’re a small minority.) 

[The Real timschochet 7,449]

2 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Sorry, registration is a non-starter.  The government doesn't need to know that information and shouldn't, per the Bill of Rights.  None of your business.

Background checks already happen at stores and dealers.  

Background checks aren’t universal. And registration is supported by the vast majority of the public, and no the 2nd Amendment doesn’t protect you from it. It’s going to happen. 

[thegeneral 3,600]

9 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I'm not a gun nut at all but I find accuracy to be important when discussing topics like this.  There is a complete lack of education when it comes to guns yet the least educated want to make the biggest changes.

Of course I was having a little fun with the gun dorks. Enjoy the lecture on gun components. I don’t give a shet and am resigned to the fact that everyone will walk around like they are in “Tombstone” some day. 

Not really a big voting issue for me but when I have the choice I’m voting for more restrictions, more regulations, and as much paperwork and bureaucracy as possible.

[Hawkeye21 2,454]

1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

Not really a big voting issue for me but when I have the choice I’m voting for more restrictions, more regulations, and as much paperwork and bureaucracy as possible.

I really don't want our country to add more and more regulations.  We are suppose to be a free country but we keep giving up freedoms willingly.

[The Real timschochet 7,449]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Background checks aren’t universal. And registration is supported by the vast majority of the public, and no the 2nd Amendment doesn’t protect you from it. It’s going to happen. 

To expand on this last post. I think there are going to be major gun restrictions after the next election, which is going to be a Democratic wipeout. Mainly we’re going to get: 

 

1. A ban on AR-15s and other assault rifles. 
2. Universal background checks

3. raise the age to 21. 
4. universal red flag laws 

And that’s just for starters. Eventually we will have registration as well. The public is pissed about this and is demanding action. 

[thegeneral 3,600]

1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I really don't want our country to add more and more regulations.  We are suppose to be a free country but we keep giving up freedoms willingly.

People buying guns, carrying them around etc can be way more restrictive in my view than what we have now. If people want to disagree go ahead.

[The Real timschochet 7,449]

2 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I really don't want our country to add more and more regulations.  We are suppose to be a free country but we keep giving up freedoms willingly.

Our freedom with regard to guns has always been somewhat at odds with our desire for safety and a civilized society. 

[Hawkeye21 2,454]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Our freedom with regard to guns has always been somewhat at odds with our desire for safety and a civilized society. 

Fix the people problem then.  There is a much, much bigger problem than guns yet no one is focusing on it.  People are too busy focusing on the guns and all it does is waste time.  Everyone knows we need to fix our society and culture. so why don't we all work on it together.

[Strike 6,020]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

Here’s what we know: 20 years ago, AR-15s represented 2% of all guns purchased. Now they represent 25% of all guns purchased. 
 

Based on that extraordinary level of increase, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to question whether or not the motivation for buying such a weapon goes well beyond the question of “what is appropriate for me?”, don’t you? 

"We" don't know sh*t.  Post a link.  As I've demonstrated numerous times, and Jerry did earlier today, you just make "facts" up.  There is no way I'd trust you on this stat you just posted.  So, back it up or STFU.

[League Champion 1,926]

47 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

civilized society. 

 

 

[Engorgeous George 2,332]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

Depends on what those changes are. 
 

For example I want universal background checks and universal registration on all firearms. I don’t need to be educated about the specifics of each firearm to want this. 

Perhaps you can explain what you believe to be the utility of universal registration.

[DonS 3,319]

I think I need an AR-15. 

After spreading bark all weekend I need to take out the focking squirrels that are digging holes everywhere looking for non-existent nuts.

 

[League Champion 1,926]

1 minute ago, DonS said:

I think I need an AR-15. 

After spreading bark all weekend I need to take out the focking squirrels that are digging holes everywhere looking for non-existent nuts.

 

I'll build you one