Trump INDICTED

[seafoam1 3,025]

3 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

We are in the “Trump indicted” thread you dope. You are the one changing this subject.

For your change the subject post cut and paste stats about inflation I pointed out it stopped last May. Why is that dickless?

Now you will post the same video or some stupid line you have repeated hundreds of times. 

I see Trump's name all over the biden thread, and you dumbass libs are fine with that. 

But now your feelers are hurt. 

[thegeneral 3,214]

Just now, seafoam1 said:

I see Trump's name all over the biden thread, and you dumbass libs are fine with that. 

But now your feelers are hurt. 

Typical. Doesn't understand and changes subject. Poor Peefoam. Probably upset that inflation is going down and the stock markets are up. Your BDS has got you all twisted!

 

[RLLD 4,230]

It might be wise to temper our enthusiasm here.  Keep in mind that it could arise at some point that conservatives manage to flip the script, and instead weaponize the DOJ against liberals.

If it can happen to conservatives I assure you it could one day happen to liberals.

So, given this potential, lets tread carefully here.  Attacking political opponents is not a path we want to encourage in this system, it should be left to the banana republics.....

[thegeneral 3,214]

9 minutes ago, RLLD said:

It might be wise to temper our enthusiasm here.  Keep in mind that it could arise at some point that conservatives manage to flip the script, and instead weaponize the DOJ against liberals.

If it can happen to conservatives I assure you it could one day happen to liberals.

So, given this potential, let’s tread carefully here.  Attacking political opponents is not a path we want to encourage in this system, it should be left to the banana republics.....

If a Prez does anything like the events leading up to Jan 6th please do this. I’m not going to be upset if they go after hoarding docs (well they already did this with Hillary), etc.

DoJ for what it’s worth was headed up by Bill Barr among other very conservative people during last presidency,  the FBI is led by a life long Republican for past 6 or so years.

[Mike Honcho 5,281]

Weaponized means actually doing it's job, rather than ignoring crimes like Barr did and the clear-cut multiple obstruction charges Mueller laid out for him in his probe.

[seafoam1 3,025]

22 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Typical. Doesn't understand and changes subject. Poor Peefoam. Probably upset that inflation is going down and the stock markets are up. Your BDS has got you all twisted!

 

Your TDS is painful to watch. Go put on your favorite summer dress and relax with a warm cup of tea peanut.

[League Champion 1,911]

5 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

I’m not going to be upset if they go after hoarding docs (well they already did this with Hillary), etc.

They didn't go after Hillary or Bill because they didn't want to be suicided. 

[thegeneral 3,214]

7 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Your TDS is painful to watch. Go put on your favorite summer dress and relax with a warm cup of tea peanut.

You prolly stroke yourself to this. NTTATWWT Peefoam!

[thegeneral 3,214]

7 minutes ago, League Champion said:

They didn't go after Hillary or Bill because they didn't want to be suicided. 

Hillary the assassin was one of the better conspiracies going when she was running

[League Champion 1,911]

1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

Hillary the assassin was one of the better conspiracies going when she was running

Good times 

[seafoam1 3,025]

3 hours ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

Come on man.  That’s how EVERYONE of his generation acts.  

I don't understand how people would allow their kids to even be in the same room as that dude. It's frightening how sick he is and is still not in prison.

[Hawkeye21 2,399]

Trump thinks he is a cult leader.

 

[Fnord 2,272]

46 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Trump thinks he is a cult leader.

 

Of course he does. It validates his entire existence. And his quote is pure Trumpism. Threatening violence in such a way that he has plausible deniability for said incitement. Same sh1t he did on J6. Scum. I'd vote for HT for president over Trump. Not suckfoam though. He may actually be the only human (I know, we have not verified that he is actually human, but since maggots and viruses dont have fingers for typing, I went out on a limb) who is a bigger waste of earthly resources than Trump.

[seafoam1 3,025]

59 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Trump thinks he is a cult leader.

 

Yeah, yeah, whatever. And if a cop kills a black criminal drug addict, another arson spree from the left will start up. 2 billion in damage insurance claims alone.

Talk about violent cultists, just look at your own party. 

[Hawkeye21 2,399]

1 minute ago, seafoam1 said:

Yeah, yeah, whatever. And if a cop kills a black criminal drug addict, another arson spree from the left will start up. 2 billion in damage insurance claims alone.

Huh? 

[RLLD 4,230]

1 hour ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Trump thinks he is a cult leader.

 

Perhaps.   But I see some wisdom in his point.  I mean, what if the people that like him decide to behave like BLM and antifa when upset?   Therein lies the problem with tolerating looting and thuggery, others watch, others replicate it.  I think we need to accept that the framework of allowance for some crime will lead to more crime. 

[Hawkeye21 2,399]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

Perhaps.   But I see some wisdom in his point.  I mean, what if the people that like him decide to behave like BLM and antifa when upset?   Therein lies the problem with tolerating looting and thuggery, others watch, others replicate it.  I think we need to accept that the framework of allowance for some crime will lead to more crime. 

I think you are loosely admitting to Trump having a cult following.

[RLLD 4,230]

3 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I think you are loosely admitting to Trump having a cult following.

I think there is no doubt.  When I consider Trump I see that his "core"  is thoroughly devoted, its a small and immovable group.  He does not seem to have the wider acceptance.  Where he seems to be rising its really a reflection of how fed up people are with failed liberal policy.

Conversely, when I consider Biden I see he has small support across a range of society.  He is able to generate enough of the variety of our society to find some support.  The rub for him being that too much of that variety is perhaps a little too easy manipulated away. 

This is why RFK jr is such a threat to Democrats.  Will they be able to siphon away Trumps support? Not really, not that much.....but a guy like RFK or this other thing Manchin is doing would absolutely have a tangile impact on the support for Biden.  I submit we should expect as strong a villification toward Machin and RFK as we have seen for Trump.

It's not really about them as individuals....its about the gravity of their ability to take away Democrat power and rule.

[The Real timschochet 6,764]

13 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I think there is no doubt.  When I consider Trump I see that his "core"  is thoroughly devoted, its a small and immovable group.  He does not seem to have the wider acceptance.  Where he seems to be rising its really a reflection of how fed up people are with failed liberal policy.

Conversely, when I consider Biden I see he has small support across a range of society.  He is able to generate enough of the variety of our society to find some support.  The rub for him being that too much of that variety is perhaps a little too easy manipulated away. 

This is why RFK jr is such a threat to Democrats.  Will they be able to siphon away Trumps support? Not really, not that much.....but a guy like RFK or this other thing Manchin is doing would absolutely have a tangile impact on the support for Biden.  I submit we should expect as strong a villification toward Machin and RFK as we have seen for Trump.

It's not really about them as individuals....its about the gravity of their ability to take away Democrat power and rule.

I don’t really think that RFK, Jr is a threat to Democrats. I think on paper he could be, but his anti-vax stands and his conspiracy theories (which are at times anti-Semitic) don’t really have any pull among Democratic voters. I suspect the numbers he is currently receiving is based on name recognition, nothing more. 

Manchin isn’t a threat because centrists are never a threat to the establishment, no matter how much they appear at times to defy it. Manchin is about as much a threat to the Democrats as John McCain was to Republicans. No grass root support. 

The real threat to Democrats from within is where it’s always come from: the progressive movement. When they push the party too far to the left it makes Republicans lives easier. We live in a country where the public simply does not like being pushed too far to the left or the right and usually vote accordingly. 

[The Real timschochet 6,764]

@jerryskids and @RLLD: 

I regard the two of you, along with @Voltaire, as the most reasonable and deepest thinkers of the conservatives in this forum, who are willing to engage in serious discussion. I’ve just returned from a trip to Europe and I’ve read through your arguments in this thread. 

My main objection to your arguments, and to similar ones from Republican politicians, is that you provide no means to punish Donald Trump if he commits a serious crime, which I believe he has on a few occasions. Every time he is charged the same response is offered: the justice system is weaponized, this is an attempt to defeat the conservative movement. If we take this argument to its logical conclusion we can never charge Trump, or any other politician, with any crime. 

[seafoam1 3,025]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

@jerryskids and @RLLD: 

I regard the two of you, along with @Voltaire, as the most reasonable and deepest thinkers of the conservatives in this forum, who are willing to engage in serious discussion. I’ve just returned from a trip to Europe and I’ve read through your arguments in this thread. 

My main objection to your arguments, and to similar ones from Republican politicians, is that you provide no means to punish Donald Trump if he commits a serious crime, which I believe he has on a few occasions. Every time he is charged the same response is offered: the justice system is weaponized, this is an attempt to defeat the conservative movement. If we take this argument to its logical conclusion we can never charge Trump, or any other politician, with any crime. 

Oh WTF? That standard was set long ago bltch.

Oh, this is all new with Trump. 

[RLLD 4,230]

5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I don’t really think that RFK, Jr is a threat to Democrats. I think on paper he could be, but his anti-vax stands and his conspiracy theories (which are at times anti-Semitic) don’t really have any pull among Democratic voters. I suspect the numbers he is currently receiving is based on name recognition, nothing more. 

Manchin isn’t a threat because centrists are never a threat to the establishment, no matter how much they appear at times to defy it. Manchin is about as much a threat to the Democrats as John McCain was to Republicans. No grass root support. 

The real threat to Democrats from within is where it’s always come from: the progressive movement. When they push the party too far to the left it makes Republicans lives easier. We live in a country where the public simply does not like being pushed too far to the left or the right and usually vote accordingly. 

I just wanted to point out that the assertions about his stance on vaccines and this anti-semitic stuff is all false. I am no fan of RFK but this move on the part of Democrats to do this to him is contemptible, these are outright lies.

Machin himself is not "the threat" but his participation with this No Labels thing likely results is his candidacy.  He is probably less of a threat than RGK, but make no mistake....the Democrats want total dominance, and any threat to that will be met virulently. 

Agree on the threat of the radicals internally, that is an issue because its drawn in far too much of the party now. 

 

[RLLD 4,230]

5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

@jerryskids and @RLLD: 

I regard the two of you, along with @Voltaire, as the most reasonable and deepest thinkers of the conservatives in this forum, who are willing to engage in serious discussion. I’ve just returned from a trip to Europe and I’ve read through your arguments in this thread. 

My main objection to your arguments, and to similar ones from Republican politicians, is that you provide no means to punish Donald Trump if he commits a serious crime, which I believe he has on a few occasions. Every time he is charged the same response is offered: the justice system is weaponized, this is an attempt to defeat the conservative movement. If we take this argument to its logical conclusion we can never charge Trump, or any other politician, with any crime. 

Let me reiterate here, again as I have over and over......I am fine with what has been done to Trump.   Now.....do it to Biden as well, because right now he is being protected and I see he is every bit as vile as Trump.

[Hawkeye21 2,399]

Just now, RLLD said:

Let me reiterate here, again as I have over and over......I am fine with what has been done to Trump.   Now.....do it to Biden as well, because right now he is being protected and I see he is every bit as vile as Trump.

Is there anyone here that is against that happening to Biden?  I really don't think there are that many Biden fans here.

[The Real timschochet 6,764]

7 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Let me reiterate here, again as I have over and over......I am fine with what has been done to Trump.   Now.....do it to Biden as well, because right now he is being protected and I see he is every bit as vile as Trump.

The supposed crime that Joe Biden has committed is that he received money for favors as Vice President through his son Hunter. I don’t believe he is guilty of this crime. But if there is enough evidence to prove it then of course he should be charged and punished (as well as impeached and removed.) But I don’t think there IS evidence and that’s what separates Biden from Trump at this time. 
 

I believe that if the House Republicans thought that there was evidence of such a crime they would have already begun impeachment proceedings. 

[RLLD 4,230]

13 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Is there anyone here that is against that happening to Biden?  I really don't think there are that many Biden fans here.

There are some that want to pretend "Trump is just worse" and defend Biden, it has happened.  And that is not the main issue for me.

The main issue is that it is evident, as evident to me as the quid-pro-quo was to others on Trump, that Biden is dirty as hell...and the media and the DOJ have colluded to protect him.

Everything we now know is absolutely indicative that Biden has provided favors to foreign interests for money. 

[The Real timschochet 6,764]

13 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I just wanted to point out that the assertions about his stance on vaccines and this anti-semitic stuff is all false. I am no fan of RFK but this move on the part of Democrats to do this to him is contemptible, these are outright lies.

Machin himself is not "the threat" but his participation with this No Labels thing likely results is his candidacy.  He is probably less of a threat than RGK, but make no mistake....the Democrats want total dominance, and any threat to that will be met virulently. 

Agree on the threat of the radicals internally, that is an issue because its drawn in far too much of the party now. 

 

1. I don’t think it is a lie. I read in the New York Times that RFK Jr suggested that the Covid virus was designed to be less effective for Ashkenazi Jews. Was that false reporting? It was reported in many places. 
 

2. Of course the Democrats want total dominance. So do the Republicans. But like the dog chasing the car they have no idea what they would do if they got it. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,433]

14 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Is there anyone here that is against that happening to Biden?  I really don't think there are that many Biden fans here.

Yes.  So surprised it  got by you. 

[The Real timschochet 6,764]

Just now, RLLD said:

There are some that want to pretend "Trump is just worse" and defend Biden, it has happened.  And that is not the main issue for me.

The main issue is that it is evident, as evident to me as the quid-pro-

Trump is just worse. That’s an honest opinion from me, not pretense. I don’t like Joe Biden but I don’t believe he’s guilty of any major crimes. The evidence isn’t there. 

[RLLD 4,230]

4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

The supposed crime that Joe Biden has committed is that he received money for favors as Vice President through his son Hunter. I don’t believe he is guilty of this crime. But if there is enough evidence to prove it then of course he should be charged and punished (as well as impeached and removed.) But I don’t think there IS evidence and that’s what separates Biden from Trump at this time. 
 

I believe that if the House Republicans thought that there was evidence of such a crime they would have already begun impeachment proceedings. 

We may never get to it.....the DOJ has performed so many actions to prevent it that it is difficult to be sure there will ever be accountability for Biden.  This is treason.

[RLLD 4,230]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

1. I don’t think it is a lie. I read in the New York Times that RFK Jr suggested that the Covid virus was designed to be less effective for Ashkenazi Jews. Was that false reporting? It was reported in many places. 
 

2. Of course the Democrats want total dominance. So do the Republicans. But like the dog chasing the car they have no idea what they would do if they got it. 

I get what you post here, I really do, and it was a misrepresentation by the Times. They lied to you. Again, I would never vote for this guy, he is not my kinda politician by any means.  BUT.....the media lies to us, and that is wrong, and they have moved to impugn him, recklessly....

If the Republicans wanted dominance in the same manner as the Democrats then these behaviors would have been evident before.  The new Democrat party is something far less than it has ever been. They are a dangerous set of people. 

[thegeneral 3,214]

3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Trump is just worse. That’s an honest opinion from me, not pretense. I don’t like Joe Biden but I don’t believe he’s guilty of any major crimes. The evidence isn’t there. 

Yes. He is also a sloppy mess and makes coming after him easy with his mouth - see the Classified Docs case.

[The Real timschochet 6,764]

Just now, RLLD said:

We may never get to it.....the DOJ has performed so many actions to prevent it that it is difficult to be sure there will ever be accountability for Biden.  This is treason.

Again, your assumption here is based on a whistleblower who will not testify and is himself under charge for working with China. But if you read what he reportedly told investigators, it’s filled with contradictions. I’m highly skeptical. 
 

Now there were two other whistleblowers who testified yesterday that Biden used his influence to interfere with the prosecution of Hunter over tax evasion. That’s far more believable to me. These guys pull small acts of corruption all the time. But I don’t think it rises to an indictment or an impeachable offense.

[RLLD 4,230]

4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Trump is just worse. That’s an honest opinion from me, not pretense. I don’t like Joe Biden but I don’t believe he’s guilty of any major crimes. The evidence isn’t there. 

There was a time I would have echoed this.  Until recently, when the evidence available shows that the guy is perhaps one of the worst politicians we have, even worse than Pelosi or McConnell, I mean....this guy sold favors to the worst gobal regimes.....at this point Harris would be a better option than Biden.  She is a buffoon, but I detect nothing about her to suggest she would sell us out. 

[The Real timschochet 6,764]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

I get what you post here, I really do, and it was a misrepresentation by the Times. They lied to you. Again, I would never vote for this guy, he is not my kinda politician by any means.  BUT.....the media lies to us, and that is wrong, and they have moved to impugn him, recklessly....

If the Republicans wanted dominance in the same manner as the Democrats then these behaviors would have been evident before.  The new Democrat party is something far less than it has ever been. They are a dangerous set of people. 

When you write that they misrepresented…what did he actually say? Do you have a direct quote? The Times gave one. 

[Hawkeye21 2,399]

6 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Yes.  So surprised it  got by you. 

Who are these people?  I wouldn't be surprised if there are some but I don't see them post often.

[RLLD 4,230]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

Again, your assumption here is based on a whistleblower who will not testify and is himself under charge for working with China. But if you read what he reportedly told investigators, it’s filled with contradictions. I’m highly skeptical. 
 

Now there were two other whistleblowers who testified yesterday that Biden used his influence to interfere with the prosecution of Hunter over tax evasion. That’s far more believable to me. These guys pull small acts of corruption all the time. But I don’t think it rises to an indictment or an impeachable offense.

No just "the" whistleblower, all of them....and all of the provable transactions we now have.  The setup they have is nothing new, this is how racketeering is done, its textbook.  Look, if they had this on Trump I would be of course saying the same thing about him. We have GOT to stop pretensing this is not happening.

[RLLD 4,230]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

When you write that they misrepresented…what did he actually say? Do you have a direct quote? The Times gave one. 

The comments were misprepresented as if he was being anti-semtic or racist, using mental gymnastics.  He was denigrating no one....and this busines of calling out distinctions in outcomes as being some spectral racism is utter nonsense, this is how science is done, pose the question and investigate. His comments were being weaponized in typical liberal tactics.

Hey, what do i care really?  This false accusation just removes another liberal candidate, I consider that a net-good......but it is difficult for me to not call out vile lies like this, even if it is against somone I disagree with. 

But have at it....beat him down and out of the race for sure. 

[The Real timschochet 6,764]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

No just "the" whistleblower, all of them....and all of the provable transactions we now have.  The setup they have is nothing new, this is how racketeering is done, its textbook.  Look, if they had this on Trump I would be of course saying the same thing about him. We have GOT to stop pretensing this is not happening.

You really need to separate: 

1. Did Biden use his influence to allow Bunter to get a sweet plea deal on tax evasion? I don’t know, but that’s what the whistleblowers say, and it wouldn’t surprise me. Politicians pull this crap all the time. It’s wrong and crappy but doesn’t IMO rise to a serious offense. 
 

2. Did Biden accept money from Ukraine and/or China in exchange for political favors? That’s a serious offense. It’s treason if it happened. It’s as bad or worse as anything Trump is charged with. But I have strong doubts that this ever happened. You claim we’ll never know because of a DOJ coverup and I have even stronger doubts about that claim. 

[The Real timschochet 6,764]

2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

The comments were misprepresented as if he was being anti-semtic or racist, using mental gymnastics.  He was denigrating no one....and this busines of calling out distinctions in outcomes as being some spectral racism is utter nonsense, this is how science is done, pose the question and investigate. His comments were being weaponized in typical liberal tactics.

Hey, what do i care really?  This false accusation just removes another liberal candidate, I consider that a net-good......but it is difficult for me to not call out vile lies like this, even if it is against somone I disagree with. 

But have at it....beat him down and out of the race for sure. 

I still don’t understand how he was misrepresented.