Michigan pronoun bill

[DonS 3,292]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

That dude threatened to beat the sh!t out of that kid.  No I don't think he will be calling the cops.  And the video is proof that he kid wasn't harassing or threatening him/her, so I can't imagine the cops would press charges here.

The point is that these freaks can accuse people of "threatening" them via misgendering. 

Eventually (hopefully) police/judges will decide there was no ill intent, but in the meantime the accused will need to go through the legal process and we all know how a person's life can be destroyed just by an accusation.  Accused = guilty in today's social media driven cesspool. 

[jerryskids 6,579]

29 minutes ago, DonS said:

The point is that these freaks can accuse people of "threatening" them via misgendering. 

Eventually (hopefully) police/judges will decide there was no ill intent, but in the meantime the accused will need to go through the legal process and we all know how a person's life can be destroyed just by an accusation.  Accused = guilty in today's social media driven cesspool. 

Gutter doesn't get it.  He doesn't want to get it, it conflicts with his worldview.  He ignores the known facts that transgender people have significantly larger percentage of mental illness:

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In this study, the researchers analyzed medical outcomes between 2005 and 2015 for 2,679 individuals in the Swedish population who had received a diagnosis of gender incongruence.

The study found that transgender individuals who had received a diagnosis of gender incongruence were:

• six times more likely to have a mood or anxiety disorder than the general population.
• three times as likely to be prescribed antidepressants and antianxiety medications.
• more than six times as likely to attempt suicide resulting in hospitalization

https://ysph.yale.edu/news-article/transgender-individuals-at-greater-risk-of-mental-health-problems/

Somehow, despite this knowledge, he would expect all trans people to act rationally when experiencing misgendering.  That, or a convenience store security video will be present for every one.   

[RogerDodger 797]

Its including "frightened" to the definition of "Intimidate" in the bill.  

Terrorized - yes

Threatened - yes

Frightened - no

The dress wearing pansies are frightened from everything in life.  

[Fnord 2,056]

Just now, RogerDodger said:

Its the adding of "frightened" to the definition of "Intimidate" in the bill.  

Terrorized - yes

Threatened - yes

Frightened - no

The dress wearing pansies are frightened from everything in life.  

Well, I'm not afraid of transexuals, gays, immigrants, DOJ, FBI, BLM, or Antifa, but you are. 

Is your dress form fitting, or more like a kimono?

[RogerDodger 797]

1 minute ago, Fnord said:

Well, I'm not afraid of transexuals, gays, immigrants, DOJ, FBI, BLM, or Antifa, but you are. 

Is your dress form fitting, or more like a kimono?

Afraid of dress wearing sissies?  Funny.  Hit a little too close to  home? 

 

[Fnord 2,056]

10 hours ago, JustinCharge said:

if lack of basic respect gets you tossed in jail, we need to start with you, rusty, and all the other trolls that have no respect for anyone.

I show respect until it is clear to me that it's not deserved. Which is why I afford you none. I have no problem with the majority of posters here outside of political differences. You and a handful of others are special cases. Plus, it's the GC FFS. Snowflake.

[Fnord 2,056]

2 minutes ago, RogerDodger said:

Afraid of dress wearing sissies?  Funny.  Hit a little too close to  home? 

 

Why would you be in favor of persecuting them if not for fear? Or is it that latent need to be virulently against that which you are afraid to admit to being? Do you hate gays because you hate that part of yourself?

[dogcows 1,030]

1 hour ago, DonS said:

The point is that these freaks can accuse people of "threatening" them via misgendering. 

You have quite an active imagination.

[RogerDodger 797]

1 minute ago, Fnord said:

Why would you be in favor of persecuting them if not for fear? Or is it that latent need to be virulently against that which you are afraid to admit to being? Do you hate gays because you hate that part of yourself?

  Look at this guy dance.  

You're projecting.  Nobody said anything about persecuting them.  But you could always move to Michigan if you're afraid.  

[DonS 3,292]

1 minute ago, dogcows said:

You have quite an active imagination.

Seriously?  Folks have never lobbed false accusations against anyone in the past?   Are you really that naive? 

Just off the top of my head:

Duke lacrosse team

Punt God

BYU is racisssssss  based on claims from a black volleyball player

All the above accused  were eventually cleared of any wrong doing but the damage was already done.

[GutterBoy 2,898]

54 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Gutter doesn't get it.  He doesn't want to get it, it conflicts with his worldview.  He ignores the known facts that transgender people have significantly larger percentage of mental illness:

https://ysph.yale.edu/news-article/transgender-individuals-at-greater-risk-of-mental-health-problems/

Somehow, despite this knowledge, he would expect all trans people to act rationally when experiencing misgendering.  That, or a convenience store security video will be present for every one.   

I get it, and I don't ignore any of it.  Still doesn't mean that a majority of trans people are looking to abuse this law and attempt to get police to prosecute everyone that misgenders them.  They really just want to be left alone and respected, but your side refuses to do this, so now we got this bill proposed

[GutterBoy 2,898]

26 minutes ago, RogerDodger said:

Its including "frightened" to the definition of "Intimidate" in the bill.  

Terrorized - yes

Threatened - yes

Frightened - no

The dress wearing pansies are frightened from everything in life.  

RLLD is frightening by this bill.  Not sure if he's a dress wearing pansy or not.

[RLLD 4,145]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

I get it, and I don't ignore any of it.  Still doesn't mean that a majority of trans people are looking to abuse this law and attempt to get police to prosecute everyone that misgenders them.  They really just want to be left alone and respected, but your side refuses to do this, so now we got this bill proposed

So then if its only happening in small numbers, by just a few of them.....then we should stop making such a big deal about it? I can get behind this....

[GutterBoy 2,898]

13 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Why would you be in favor of persecuting them if not for fear? Or is it that latent need to be virulently against that which you are afraid to admit to being? Do you hate gays because you hate that part of yourself?

He's posted gay pron here before and then denied it.

[jerryskids 6,579]

4 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

I get it, and I don't ignore any of it.  Still doesn't mean that a majority of trans people are looking to abuse this law and attempt to get police to prosecute everyone that misgenders them.  They really just want to be left alone and respected, but your side refuses to do this, so now we got this bill proposed

"My side" respects individual transgender people, using their desired pronouns when known.

My side also fears putting this power into a group of people with known mood and anxiety disorders.

My side also objects to compelled thought police and newspeak from the government.

I'm good with my side. 

[RogerDodger 797]

8 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

RLLD is frightening by this bill.  Not sure if he's a dress wearing pansy or not.

Lots of things can be frightening to lots of different people.  It's the fact that this bill included "frightened" in the definition AND dress wearing sissies are frightened about everything, that's problematic.  

In other words for someone who struggles with his words; has nothing to do with RLLD.

[GutterBoy 2,898]

1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

"My side" respects individual transgender people, using their desired pronouns when known.

My side also fears putting this power into a group of people with known mood and anxiety disorders.

My side also objects to compelled thought police and newspeak from the government.

I'm good with my side. 

There are plenty on your side that refuse to use their desired pronouns.  Maybe you will, I don't know, but your side claims to believe in biology and that a man can't be a she.

Also I couldn't really care less about this bill.  I can see including them in the existing hate speech laws, but in the end it's a nothing burger.

[jonmx 2,424]

2 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

What war was fought to get rid of trannies?

We fought a war a system of justice which is blind and treats all people equally under the law.  It was called the Civil War you duffus.  

[dogcows 1,030]

30 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

"My side" respects individual transgender people, using their desired pronouns when known.

My side also fears putting this power into a group of people with known mood and anxiety disorders.

My side also objects to compelled thought police and newspeak from the government.

I'm good with my side. 

Is the GOP your “side” or not? Because HB 1069, recently enacted in Florida, directly contradicts points 1 and 3.

http://laws.flrules.org/2023/105

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(1) It shall be the policy of every public K-12 educational institution that is provided or authorized by the Constitution and laws of Florida that a person’s sex is an immutable biological trait and that it is false to ascribe to a person a pronoun that does not correspond to such person’s sex.

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(3) An employee or contractor of a public K-12 educational institution may not provide to a student his or her preferred personal title or pronouns if such preferred personal title or pronouns do not correspond to his or her sex.

 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

23 minutes ago, jonmx said:

We fought a war a system of justice which is blind and treats all people equally under the law.  It was called the Civil War you duffus.  

Um, OK.

But how does this particular low not treat people equally?

[dogcows 1,030]

28 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

There are plenty on your side that refuse to use their desired pronouns.  Maybe you will, I don't know, but your side claims to believe in biology and that a man can't be a she.

Also I couldn't really care less about this bill.  I can see including them in the existing hate speech laws, but in the end it's a nothing burger.

The overreaction from the right on this bill is insane. It’s just an amendment of the prior statute to add protection for transgender people. That’s it. They wouldn’t even have needed to amend the law... except that harassing transgender people has become a problem. I’d argue all the anti-trans crap in right-wing media is part of the reason it’s happening.

[GutterBoy 2,898]

4 minutes ago, dogcows said:

 I’d argue all the anti-trans crap in right-wing media is part of the reason it’s happening.

Oh without a doubt.  They have their side whipped up into a frenzy that these people are murderous monsters looking to molest kids and then cut their d1cks and boobs off.  It's absolutely insane.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,965]

47 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

He's posted gay pron here before and then denied it.

You think a 4 year old twerking for the amusement of adults is ok. 

[jonmx 2,424]

2 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

Um, OK.

But how does this particular low not treat people equally?

It weaponizes the law against people who believe in basic biology.   You want to compell people to speak things which they know are not true.   You want to create even more laws which are used to selectively target a certain type of political belief.  There is a large rise in radical leftwing woke prosecutors and now the fbi who abuse the law to target conservatives.   The media is propagating these false boogeyman of evil white nationalists and are lumping everyone with conservative beliefs and are targeting them.  The law has lost its legitimacy and is not being used to administer justice but instead is being used to advance ideology. 

[jonmx 2,424]

2 hours ago, dogcows said:

The overreaction from the right on this bill is insane. It’s just an amendment of the prior statute to add protection for transgender people. That’s it. They wouldn’t even have needed to amend the law... except that harassing transgender people has become a problem. I’d argue all the anti-trans crap in right-wing media is part of the reason it’s happening.

You are really good at regurgitating the pile of manure the government mediavtells you.  What a load of total crap. 

[Patented Phil 1,469]

4 hours ago, JustinCharge said:

leftist foot soldiers:  lets lie, cheat, silence the opposition, and be dishonest as hell to advance our agenda.
also leftist foot soldiers:  gee, the leftist leadership would NEVER do that to US once we destroy everyone not on the left!

I’d love to understand how a guy like Gutterdik, who probably was a decent guy back in the day and saw firsthand the greatness of America growing up, can sit here and get his jollies about a direct assault on the First Amendment.  My guess is that he got picked on and bullied a lot by the cool white kids, and now it’s just nihilistic hate.

[Dizkneelande 1,086]

3 hours ago, DonS said:

Seriously?  Folks have never lobbed false accusations against anyone in the past?   Are you really that naive? 

Just off the top of my head:

Duke lacrosse team

Punt God

BYU is racisssssss  based on claims from a black volleyball player

All the above accused  were eventually cleared of any wrong doing but the damage was already done.

You’ll noticed he replied to every comment but this one. There’s thousands of these examples all from the left. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,965]

8 minutes ago, Patented Phil said:

I’d love to understand how a guy like Gutterdik, who probably was a decent guy back in the day and saw firsthand the greatness of America growing up, can sit here and get his jollies about a direct assault on the First Amendment.  My guess is that he got picked on and bullied a lot by the cool white kids, and now it’s just nihilistic hate.

I don’t think he’s king of his castle. 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

19 minutes ago, Patented Phil said:

I’d love to understand how a guy like Gutterdik, who probably was a decent guy back in the day and saw firsthand the greatness of America growing up, can sit here and get his jollies about a direct assault on the First Amendment.  My guess is that he got picked on and bullied a lot by the cool white kids, and now it’s just nihilistic hate.

No, I just believe that people should be respected and treated with kindness.  Calling this a first amendment issue is the height of stupidity.

[Patented Phil 1,469]

3 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

No, I just believe that people should be respected and treated with kindness.  Calling this a first amendment issue is the height of stupidity.

So, a proposed law that criminalizes speech is not a 1st Amendment issue?

Not that you ever had a good fastball, but whatever fastball you did have is long long gone.

[Mark Davis 340]

Damn, people get their feelings hurt so easily these days.  And even if they do, not sure why it's such a mental breakdown.  What a bunch of softies our society has become.

[Patented Phil 1,469]

Anyone who thinks this “law” would be administered in a fair and sensical manner is woefully naive.  For years the Left has been setting the stage for misgendering being a “threat”.  Don’t believe me?  Google “threat misgendering.”  The number one search result is this article in health.  Notice the bolded.  Misgendering is accepted here as a de facto threat:

Goldstein urged anyone who has misgendered someone to ask themselves whether they're in a position to make the situation better in other ways that might be meaningful. 

"Give them a discount if you're doing work for them. Give them hazard pay if they work for you," advised Goldstein. "Ask if there is something to make their life easier after making it hard."

The threat signaled by an instance of misgendering can be a red flag for the possibility of physical violence or further pain. So, Goldstein urged that you ensure the misgendered person feels safe and supported.

[Blue Horseshoe 348]

8 hours ago, RogerDodger said:

Lots of things can be frightening to lots of different people.  It's the fact that this bill included "frightened" in the definition AND dress wearing sissies are frightened about everything, that's problematic.  

In other words for someone who struggles with his words; has nothing to do with RLLD.

 

Ignore them.

That's really the best strategy. Obviously there should be an effort to oppose bills like this, as they are a gross overreach, but the people who present these bills know that they will fail, they just want the headlines, virtue signaling and fundraising that comes with edging further and further left. 

But, on aside, it's just easier for everyone else not within the LGBT community to ignore them. Don't talk to them, don't go near them, don't socialize with them, don't be friends with them, don't hear their problems, nothing. And, of course, this doesn't mean to infringe on anyone's rights. People need to work, shop, commute and do countless other functional things to survive day to day life. But in terms of "good consumerism" and  your personal time? Just shut them out. The loss of the business and dollars from the rest of the general public will create whatever need "course correction" is required. 

You can't be called a bigot by someone you don't talk to or engage with and are not around. 

Someone like Mulvaney, a clear narcissist, likely secretly loves being hated. Because it's attention. 

California has the size and scale to "survive" the flight of many businesses, corporations and talent/skill that are fleeing to other states. It will hurt Newsom and California's economy, but it won't break them in half. Other places however aren't that fortunate. In those areas, "voting with your wallet" is simply much more devastating. Those who oppose woke and identity politics should operate to "effective consumerism" accordingly. 

Adam Silver allowed "Black Lives Matter" to be on the back of jerseys during the pandemic "Bubble" season. If 90 percent of all those who had League Pass canceled because of it, what would the NBA do? If a sponsor like Gatorade on the court saw their sales drop by half just by being seen next to a BLM banner, what would happen then? 

Radical leftists need attention like plants need sunlight. Choke it out and see what happens. 

[Patented Phil 1,469]

Reminds me of the early 90’s with “sexual harassment”, where Leftists were somehow successful in unilaterally redefining the offense to be exclusively about how the words or actions were perceived.

At the time, I was fortunate to work in a field office  populated by a lot of young, smart, men who weren’t afraid to call out bullshittt when they saw it.  When HR unveiled the new “sexual harassment” guidelines, the meeting went off the rails when the 22 year old Mt. Holyoke grad tried to tell us that a man’s intent didn’t matter at all.  If the woman felt like she was being harassed - “that’s all that matters.”  That’s when I fell in love with the Lisa in Accounting, who yelled out, “Remember guys, it’s only harassment if you’re ugly.”

[GutterBoy 2,898]

7 hours ago, Patented Phil said:

So, a proposed law that criminalizes speech is not a 1st Amendment issue?

Not that you ever had a good fastball, but whatever fastball you did have is long long gone.

It's not criminalizing speech, it criminalizes harassment, threatening and terrorizing harassment.  Read the bill, stupid.

[GutterBoy 2,898]

7 hours ago, Mark Davis said:

Damn, people get their feelings hurt so easily these days.  And even if they do, not sure why it's such a mental breakdown.  What a bunch of softies our society has become.

Are we talking about the people that freak out when they see rainbows and shoot up cases of beer and signs?

[GutterBoy 2,898]

6 hours ago, Blue Horseshoe said:

 

Ignore them.

But, on aside, it's just easier for everyone else not within the LGBT community to ignore them. Don't talk to them, don't go near them, don't socialize with them, don't be friends with them, don't hear their problems, nothing. Just shut them out. 

You can't be called a bigot by someone you don't talk to or engage with and are not around. 

That's what this is really about, the right to treat LGBTQ as second class citizens 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

6 hours ago, Patented Phil said:

Reminds me of the early 90’s with “sexual harassment”, where Leftists were somehow successful in unilaterally redefining the offense to be exclusively about how the words or actions were perceived.

At the time, I was fortunate to work in a field office  populated by a lot of young, smart, men who weren’t afraid to call out bullshittt when they saw it.  When HR unveiled the new “sexual harassment” guidelines, the meeting went off the rails when the 22 year old Mt. Holyoke grad tried to tell us that a man’s intent didn’t matter at all.  If the woman felt like she was being harassed - “that’s all that matters.”  That’s when I fell in love with the Lisa in Accounting, who yelled out, “Remember guys, it’s only harassment if you’re ugly.”

Still lamenting the fact that you can't sexually harass women anymore.  Scared that you can't intimidate gays either.

People like you are disgusting.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,859]

2 hours ago, GutterBoy said:

Still lamenting the fact that you can't sexually harass women anymore.  Scared that you can't intimidate gays either.

People like you are disgusting.

Yeah, he's the one that's disgusting with all the pedos you support.

GTFO with your far left nonsense. 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

Just now, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Yeah, he's the one that's disgusting with all the pedos you support.

GTFO with your far left nonsense. 

Never once supported a pedo, lying sack of sh1t, shut up.