Oberlin College - Mao would be so proud

[Hardcore troubadour 14,953]

1 minute ago, squistion said:

You said men showering with women was gender affirming care. Under no definition of gender affirming care can you find that. 

If trans women are women, like your definition says, then why couldn’t they? 

[Fireballer 2,639]

19 minutes ago, squistion said:

You said men showering with women was gender affirming care. Under no definition of gender affirming care can you find that. 

So you agree with gender affirming care, but don’t agree with the situations that are direct products of gender affirming care. Got it.  

[The Real timschochet 6,446]

Let me answer this question so there is no confusion: if a male has gender affirming care in order to become a trans female, she should be able to use girls bathrooms, including in high school. But the transformation needs to be complete (removal of male genitals.) 

 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,953]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Let me answer this question so there is no confusion: if a male has gender affirming care in order to become a trans female, she should be able to use girls bathrooms, including in high school. But the transformation needs to be complete (removal of male genitals.) 

 

Well, that’s what you think. That’s not  the way it is. You support men playing womens  sports, even if they have cack and balls. You support men joining a womens sorority , even if the women don’t want to live with them. You support a sick ideology and DGAF about how the women affected by it feel. You don’t even consider it. 

[squistion 1,956]

57 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

If trans women are women, like your definition says, then why couldn’t they? 

Find me a definition of gender affirming care that includes men showering with women. Just one. 

[The Real timschochet 6,446]

FTR I do not support trans women competing in girls sports, as they can have an unfair edge. But I do support them using girls bathrooms and in all other cases being treated as girls. 

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14 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

FTR I do not support trans women competing in girls sports, as they can have an unfair edge. But I do support them using girls bathrooms and in all other cases being treated as girls. 

You're about 50% of the way there. Now. We just need to get you over the finish line.

Biological males should never be in women's locker rooms unless they're the janitor cleaning it after everyone has left.

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10 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

I will read more. As I mentioned I’ve never heard of this story before. If you’re right then that’s awful, and would probably end my admiration for the college. 

So have you done your additional research and are you ready to make an actual, final, educated condemnation of the school or is this going to be another one of your empty commitments that you then ignore and choose to instead maintain your indignant willful ignorance? 

[The Real timschochet 6,446]

11 minutes ago, Strike said:

So have you done your additional research and are you ready to make an actual, final, educated condemnation of the school or is this going to be another one of your empty commitments that you then ignore and choose to instead maintain your indignant willful ignorance? 

I read further but I couldn’t find any reporting that they apologized. I also couldn’t find any reporting that they refused to apologize which is what you asserted. So I honestly don’t know. Based on what I read some of the school faculty behaved very badly.  

[The Real timschochet 6,446]

18 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

You're about 50% of the way there. Now. We just need to get you over the finish line.

Biological males should never be in women's locker rooms unless they're the janitor cleaning it after everyone has left.

I don’t agree with you. And I wouldn’t use that term “biological males”, to describe trans women. 

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2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I read further but I couldn’t find any reporting that they apologized. I also couldn’t find any reporting that they refused to apologize which is what you asserted. So I honestly don’t know. Based on what I read some of the school faculty behaved very badly.  

Tim,

  I really have to know.  Are you focking retarded?  There has never been discussion of them apologizing because to this day they have NEVER ADMITTED THEY DID ANYTHING WRONG.  So, I'm sorry you can't find a specific source that says they  won't apologize.  That doesn't make my assertion untrue.

[The Real timschochet 6,446]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

Tim,

  I really have to know.  Are you focking retarded?  There has never been discussion of them apologizing because to this day they have NEVER ADMITTED THEY DID ANYTHING WRONG.  So, I'm sorry you can't find a specific source that says they  won't apologize.  That doesn't make my assertion untrue.

The problem with your assertion is that I don’t know who “they” is. There are members of the faculty who admitted that other members behaved badly. It’s in the Wiki article. The article also doesn’t make clear that the school approved what happened; it appears to be individual faculty members. 
 

I don’t want to condemn this institution because I have great admiration for it based on its history, including recent history. Just as it did with blacks back in the day, this school accepted both openly gay and openly trans students long before they were comfortable at other colleges. They have been at the forefront of movements like Me Too and Black Lives Matter. So there’s a lot for me to like. The action towards the bakery, and the intolerance described in the OP, do bother me. But at this point not enough to condemn what I think is a very positive institution. 

[IGotWorms 4,057]

15 minutes ago, Strike said:

Tim,

  I really have to know.  Are you focking retarded?  There has never been discussion of them apologizing because to this day they have NEVER ADMITTED THEY DID ANYTHING WRONG.  So, I'm sorry you can't find a specific source that says they  won't apologize.  That doesn't make my assertion untrue.

Been hittin the sauce again?

[Engorgeous George 2,149]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

Let me answer this question so there is no confusion: if a male has gender affirming care in order to become a trans female, she should be able to use girls bathrooms, including in high school. But the transformation needs to be complete (removal of male genitals.) 

 

What about the prostate, should that also be removed?

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22 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

The problem with your assertion is that I don’t know who “they” is. There are members of the faculty who admitted that other members behaved badly. It’s in the Wiki article. The article also doesn’t make clear that the school approved what happened; it appears to be individual faculty members. 
 

I don’t want to condemn this institution because I have great admiration for it based on its history, including recent history. Just as it did with blacks back in the day, this school accepted both openly gay and openly trans students long before they were comfortable at other colleges. They have been at the forefront of movements like Me Too and Black Lives Matter. So there’s a lot for me to like. The action towards the bakery, and the intolerance described in the OP, do bother me. But at this point not enough to condemn what I think is a very positive institution. 

Tim,

  I'm gonna give you one more chance.  Here's a story from one of your beloved MSM sources:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/oberlin-college-and-gibsons-bakery-a-protest-against-racism-and-a-31-5-million-dollar-defamation-award/

This is the NEW President at Oberlin.  Do you hear any remorse from her?  And the President that left in the middle of all this, along with the Dean of students mentioned in this piece that also left, were 10 times worse.  This is from 2019 while the appeals process was just starting, but Oberlin's attitude hasn't changed in the least since. 

It's worth noting that this report is not that accurate.  Free speech was not a part of the trial, despite Koppel accepting that from the college and students.  But I'm trying to offer you something you'll find credible and despite the inaccuracies the piece shows the disdain the college shows about this incident.

[Engorgeous George 2,149]

30 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I don’t agree with you. And I wouldn’t use that term “biological males”, to describe trans women. 

How about chromosomal males?

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17 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Been hittin the sauce again?

Pipe down, Howard!!!

[Engorgeous George 2,149]

Speaking out against the orthodoxy makes one a heretic.  The Coach was treated as such.  Once upon a time it made a person someone with a dirfferent perspective, but no longer.

 

Are you now or have you eveer been a communist free thinker?

[The Real timschochet 6,446]

8 minutes ago, Strike said:

Tim,

  I'm gonna give you one more chance.  Here's a story from one of your beloved MSM sources:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/oberlin-college-and-gibsons-bakery-a-protest-against-racism-and-a-31-5-million-dollar-defamation-award/

This is the NEW President at Oberlin.  Do you hear any remorse from her?  And the President that left in the middle of all this, along with the Dean of students mentioned in this piece that also left, were 10 times worse.  This is from 2019 while the appeals process was just starting, but Oberlin's attitude hasn't changed in the least since. 

It's worth noting that this report is not that accurate.  Free speech was not a part of the trial, despite Koppel accepting that from the college and students.  But I'm trying to offer you something you'll find credible and despite the inaccuracies the piece shows the disdain the college shows about this incident.

Thank you. I read it. 
 

The behavior by Oberlin was unacceptable. It deserves to be condemned, and there appears to be no mitigating factors. Really too bad; I guess I can’t admire them anymore. 

[jerryskids 6,575]

57 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I don’t agree with you. And I wouldn’t use that term “biological males”, to describe trans women. 

So, what term would you use?  Because at the end of the day, we need a descriptor to describe them.  You can wish away physiological differences like prostates, breast tissue, etc. with linguistic tricks, but it doesn't make them go away in reality.   

[The Real timschochet 6,446]

12 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

So, what term would you use?  Because at the end of the day, we need a descriptor to describe them.  You can wish away physiological differences like prostates, breast tissue, etc. with linguistic tricks, but it doesn't make them go away in reality.   

Trans woman. 

[Fireballer 2,639]

47 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Trans woman. 

Why not female?

[The Real timschochet 6,446]

21 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Why not female?

That’s fine with me. Except for the qualification that they shouldn’t be allowed to participate in girls sports, I really can’t see any other limitation that society should place on them. 

[seafoam1 2,804]

"Wait....You have an opinion? You're fired!!" 

Famous words from the tolerant leftists in this country. 

[seafoam1 2,804]

7 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Trans woman. 

That goes against the definition of "woman". Guys can NOT become girls. 

[RLLD 4,143]

The Maoist inclination of liberalism today should not be ignored of course, even Bill Maher noted the correlation and how troubling it appears.   We should be on guard.  Extremists are always present. The modern liberal movement has been infiltrated with extremists who browbeat, threaten and attack anyone who dare stand up to them.

[The Real timschochet 6,446]

2 hours ago, RLLD said:

The Maoist inclination of liberalism today should not be ignored of course, even Bill Maher noted the correlation and how troubling it appears.   We should be on guard.  Extremists are always present. The modern liberal movement has been infiltrated with extremists who browbeat, threaten and attack anyone who dare stand up to them.

My only disagreement with you here is that I believe you need to replace the word “liberalism” with leftism. Liberals and leftists share many of the same views on various subjects but ultimately they are opposed to each other, in the same way that conservatives are opposed to fascists. It’s to the advantage of liberals to conflate conservatism and fascism, and it’s to the advantage of conservatives to conflate liberalism and leftism/socialism/communism, but thoughtful people can and should emphasize the differences, 

[RLLD 4,143]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

My only disagreement with you here is that I believe you need to replace the word “liberalism” with leftism. Liberals and leftists share many of the same views on various subjects but ultimately they are opposed to each other, in the same way that conservatives are opposed to fascists. It’s to the advantage of liberals to conflate conservatism and fascism, and it’s to the advantage of conservatives to conflate liberalism and leftism/socialism/communism, but thoughtful people can and should emphasize the differences, 

Yes, I think your response is fair, "leftism" is a more appropriate capture.  Extremists exist on both sides of course, and both are troubling.  The distinction being that creidibility is not being afforded to those extremists on the right.  And I am pointedly happy about that to be sure.  Now, we just need to see some liberals standing up to the leftists....

 

[The Real timschochet 6,446]

Just now, RLLD said:

Yes, I think your response is fair, "leftism" is a more appropriate capture.  Extremists exist on both sides of course, and both are troubling.  The distinction being that creidibility is not being afforded to those extremists on the right.  And I am pointedly happy about that to be sure.  Now, we just need to see some liberals standing up to the leftists....

 

We liberals have yet to nominate a true extremist as our President. You guys nominated one twice and are about to do so again. So I have to differ with you about credibility. 

[RLLD 4,143]

4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

We liberals have yet to nominate a true extremist as our President. You guys nominated one twice and are about to do so again. So I have to differ with you about credibility. 

I tend to disagree.  I look at Joe Biden and I see the influence of leftist extremism. There are many examples as well.

Liberals seem to allow because the behaviors of the extremists tends to benefit them politically. One example is the allowance for rioting. Extremist groups were allowed to freely destroy, loot and harm good people....because it appeared to be helping liberals....until it arose that it wasnt, and THEN we saw efforts to stem that...

So, leftists are dangerous, and liberals treat them as useful idiots, or storm troopers....allowing them space to exist where it serves political expediency.  There was no thought applied to "what if righty extremists decide they are mad too?" , and what that might mean, which was discovered on January 6th.   Allowance foments more of it...

Moreover, the MSM impugning anything right just relentlessly is counter productive, all the while allowing leftists to enjoy a free ride.

It might seem OK today, but we should ask.....what happens when the leftists decide the liberals have to be taken down as well?  Suddenly, that monster you gleefully allowed, is now coming for you.....

[seafoam1 2,804]

12 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

We liberals have yet to nominate a true extremist as our President. You guys nominated one twice and are about to do so again. So I have to differ with you about credibility. 

Dear Lord. Obama was as about extreme as it gets. Biden and his handlers are a close second. 

I see the problem with liberal voters. They are all really stupid. 

[Patented Phil 1,469]

21 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Yes, I think your response is fair, "leftism" is a more appropriate capture.  Extremists exist on both sides of course, and both are troubling.  The distinction being that creidibility is not being afforded to those extremists on the right.  And I am pointedly happy about that to be sure.  Now, we just need to see some liberals standing up to the leftists....

Great post.  Liberals need to stand up to the Leftist Intelligentsia.  Liberals used to fight for even the KKK’s free speech rights.  Those days are gone.  

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,847]

14 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

I don’t agree with you. And I wouldn’t use that term “biological males”, to describe trans women. 

Except that, y'know, they ARE biological males.  That's the pesky thing about reality and cold, hard facts:  You can't escape them.

[avoiding injuries 1,512]

This argument is so retarded, and we all agreed up until a few years ago. Prove this wrong…

XY Chromosomes- MALE

XX Chromosomes- FEMALE

Thats it. End of story. Fock your feelings. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,485]

3 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

My only disagreement with you here is that I believe you need to replace the word “liberalism” with leftism. Liberals and leftists share many of the same views on various subjects but ultimately they are opposed to each other, in the same way that conservatives are opposed to fascists. It’s to the advantage of liberals to conflate conservatism and fascism, and it’s to the advantage of conservatives to conflate liberalism and leftism/socialism/communism, but thoughtful people can and should emphasize the differences, 

Of course they are... because they're on opposite sides.

Fascism: "...a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition."

That perfectly describes the Democrat platform.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,847]

1 hour ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Of course they are... because they're on opposite sides.

Fascism: "...a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition."

That perfectly describes the Democrat platform.

In suggest everyone watch this:

 

[jerryskids 6,575]

5 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

My only disagreement with you here is that I believe you need to replace the word “liberalism” with leftism. Liberals and leftists share many of the same views on various subjects but ultimately they are opposed to each other, in the same way that conservatives are opposed to fascists. It’s to the advantage of liberals to conflate conservatism and fascism, and it’s to the advantage of conservatives to conflate liberalism and leftism/socialism/communism, but thoughtful people can and should emphasize the differences, 

Good point.  I try very hard to use "leftist" to describe, say, fascist behavior by government and media to control speech and information. 

 

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On 8/30/2023 at 10:58 AM, GutterBoy said:

Link to his quote or STFU.

 

On 8/30/2023 at 11:26 AM, jonnyutah said:

His "crime" was to have sex with a promiscuous 13 year old with the body of a 20 year old. I don't approve of such behavior, but it's hardly worth lifelong comdemnafion.

 

Now I am sure you will defend it since he is on your team, but preemptively, you can piss right off. 

 

Guy even put quotes around crime ffs. 

 

Wow, @GutterBoy sure went MIA from this thread after JU proved what a pedo @The Real timschochet is.  

 

 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,953]

Liberals vote for leftists. So no.  

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,847]

2 hours ago, Strike said:

Wow, @GutterBoy sure went MIA from this thread after JU proved what a pedo @The Real timschochet is.  

He gets curb-stomped quite about around here on a daily basis.  TBH, I'm surprised he even shows up anymore with the amount of abuse and punishments he gets from exposing his lies and BS.  He must be into S&M.