Andy Dalton in Bryce Young out.

[seafoam1 2,799]

Oops. 

[listen2me 23 1,825]

Either would be an upgrade over Fields 

[lod001 1,344]

He was garbage anyway. The injury is good news for the team. They like the Texans, Falcons and the Bears made huge mistakes drafting garbage at QB. Now that they have done so, the best crop of QBs possibly in history is at the doorstep. The smart move is to take the loss and grab a real QB in the upcoming draft. Same goes for the Cards.

 

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1 minute ago, listen2me 23 said:

Either would be an upgrade over Fields 

Maybe. We'll see. 

I started a whole thread on the other board trashing Bears coaching and Fields' play.

But this reply from you is just whiny "I DON'T LIKE YOU " garbage. 

You must not follow football. Because Young is #30 in the league so far and Fields #19. 

 

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58 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Either would be an upgrade over Fields 

I saw earlier today he said ‘Coaches need to stop asking me to think so much’ basically.  D@mn.

[The Real timschochet 6,402]

Bryce Young has a hurt ankle. That’s why he won’t play Sunday. Hasn’t been demoted. 

[bostonlager 2,664]

Bryce Young is so small he would fit in Darren Sproles’ pocket. He will always be hurt/injured. Hopefully the league is almost finished with the mobile QB experiment and we can get back to pocket passers. 

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2 hours ago, bostonlager said:

Bryce Young is so small he would fit in Darren Sproles’ pocket. He will always be hurt/injured. Hopefully the league is almost finished with the mobile QB experiment and we can get back to pocket passers. 

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3 hours ago, bostonlager said:

Bryce Young is so small he would fit in Darren Sproles’ pocket. He will always be hurt/injured. Hopefully the league is almost finished with the mobile QB experiment and we can get back to pocket passers. 

Yep. 

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3 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Bryce Young has a hurt ankle. That’s why he won’t play Sunday. Hasn’t been demoted. 

Sure. His wittle ankle huwts. 

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Dalton did a pretty decent job last year for the Saints. 

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On 9/21/2023 at 4:09 PM, seafoam1 said:

Maybe. We'll see. 

I started a whole thread on the other board trashing Bears coaching and Fields' play.

But this reply from you is just whiny "I DON'T LIKE YOU " garbage. 

You must not follow football. Because Young is #30 in the league so far and Fields #19. 

 

Fields is an elite passer.  

Lol

I know Bears fans needed to cling onto something.  Garbage.  Pretty evident for a while now.  It is okay to admit that he sucks.  

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5 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Fields is an elite passer.  

Lol

I know Bears fans needed to cling onto something.  Garbage.  Pretty evident for a while now.  It is okay to admit that he sucks.  

When did you think  Young was great and think any Bears fans thought that Fields hasn't sucked this year?

Who said Fields is an elite passer? 

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1 minute ago, seafoam1 said:

When did you think  Young was great and think any Bears fans thought that Fields hasn't sucked this year?

Who said Fields is an elite passer? 

Hawkeye said he was good.  Bears fans all over puffed their chest out when Rodgers left the division.  This was Fields' breakout year.  They all said he is good but needs help.  Wasn't his fault.  He quite clearly has zero feel for passing the football.  

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4 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Hawkeye said he was good.  Bears fans all over puffed their chest out when Rodgers left the division.  This was Fields' breakout year.  They all said he is good but needs help.  Wasn't his fault.  He quite clearly has zero feel for passing the football.  

Just post the comments if whoever was posting that. 

I know a lot of Bears fans and none of them said that. So just put it up. 

[MDC 7,120]

This guy thought Firlds would be a Top 5 QB for years:

   

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On 9/21/2023 at 4:07 PM, lod001 said:

He was garbage anyway. The injury is good news for the team. They like the Texans, Falcons and the Bears made huge mistakes drafting garbage at QB. Now that they have done so, the best crop of QBs possibly in history is at the doorstep. The smart move is to take the loss and grab a real QB in the upcoming draft. Same goes for the Cards.

 

Stroud is playing pretty good for being on a shitt Texas team. 

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6 hours ago, listen2me 23 said:

Hawkeye said he was good.  Bears fans all over puffed their chest out when Rodgers left the division.  This was Fields' breakout year.  They all said he is good but needs help.  Wasn't his fault.  He quite clearly has zero feel for passing the football.  

Everybody’s optimistic in training camp 

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On 9/21/2023 at 1:49 PM, listen2me 23 said:

Either would be an upgrade over Fields 

Fields is so bad that the Broncos are a favorite next weekend. 

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21 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Everybody’s optimistic in training camp 

I understand that.  Blindly optimistic.  

What was the reason?  At least 2 or 3 posters put the Bears down as making thr playoffs in my playoff thread.  Why exactly?  1st overall pick last year.  Both sides of the ball pretty bad.  Go out and get DJ Moore when Fields gets like 13 completions a game (poor Moore).  Their team sucked last year across the board.  Packers had the longest odds in winning the division.   Longer than the 1st overall pick Bears.  Madness.  

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Just now, Strike said:

Fields is so bad that the Broncos are a favorite next weekend. 

Yea how bad is it when a team that just lost by 50 is coming into your place and giving you 3.5 pts.  

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10 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

I understand that.  Blindly optimistic.  

What was the reason?  At least 2 or 3 posters put the Bears down as making thr playoffs in my playoff thread.  Why exactly?  1st overall pick last year.  Both sides of the ball pretty bad.  Go out and get DJ Moore when Fields gets like 13 completions a game (poor Moore).  Their team sucked last year across the board.  Packers had the longest odds in winning the division.   Longer than the 1st overall pick Bears.  Madness.  

Who posted they would make the playoffs? And so what if they did? 

And what have the Fudgepackers achieved? Regular season wins? Oh boy.

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Just now, seafoam1 said:

Who posted they would make the playoffs? And so what if they did? 

And what have the Fudgepackers achieved? Regular season wins? Oh boy.

You seem upset.  

Idk go look at the playoff picks thread.  2 or 3 people picked the Bears.  Thr general publish was fairly bullish on then this year.  For what reason? No idea.  

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6 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

You seem upset.  

Idk go look at the playoff picks thread.  2 or 3 people picked the Bears.  Thr general publish was fairly bullish on then this year.  For what reason? No idea.  

You mentioned it but don't know? 

And I think you all tend to inject your own emotions when reading someone else's post when you start talking about being upset. 

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Just now, seafoam1 said:

You mentioned it but don't know? 

And I think you all tend to inject your own emotions when reading someone else's post when you start talking about being upset. 

What are you babbling about? 

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1 minute ago, listen2me 23 said:

What are you babbling about? 

What are you babbling about? 

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21 hours ago, seafoam1 said:

What are you babbling about? 

Babbling about what are we?

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48 minutes ago, MLCKAA said:

Babbling about what are we?

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23 hours ago, seafoam1 said:

Who posted they would make the playoffs? And so what if they did? 

And what have the Fudgepackers achieved? Regular season wins? Oh boy.

With respect to @listen2me 23's post, I thought the Bears were going to make the playoffs.  I saw their schedule and it looked pretty easy and I thought they could win 9 games (maybe 10), as I thought we could see an improvement from the offense.  Apparently not only are they worse on offense, they seem to be worse on defense.  My thinking was that last year with a new coach/system, they'd struggle, but things would improve this year.  That's clearly not the case.

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5 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

With respect to @listen2me 23's post, I thought the Bears were going to make the playoffs.  I saw their schedule and it looked pretty easy and I thought they could win 9 games (maybe 10), as I thought we could see an improvement from the offense.  Apparently not only are they worse on offense, they seem to be worse on defense.  My thinking was that last year with a new coach/system, they'd struggle, but things would improve this year.  That's clearly not the case.

Well that's just a take by you. You weren't some ranting fan. 

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13 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

With respect to @listen2me 23's post, I thought the Bears were going to make the playoffs.  I saw their schedule and it looked pretty easy and I thought they could win 9 games (maybe 10), as I thought we could see an improvement from the offense.  Apparently not only are they worse on offense, they seem to be worse on defense.  My thinking was that last year with a new coach/system, they'd struggle, but things would improve this year.  That's clearly not the case.

Bears fans themselves thought they same but they had to go with something.   Oh its coaching.  Its thr supporting cast.  They change the coaching and GM and some still say it is that.  End of the day they just don't have a good roster.  And yes I do think their GM and coaching still suck like the last set.  

I get the idea people thought something would click with Fields.  Some compared it to Josh Allen.  But Fields was a big recruit.   Josh hardly was recruited.  Fields had Ohio state coaching and cast of 5 star players.  Josh had Wyoming coaching and players.   Fields was more of a finished product than Josh was coming out and it wasn't close.  Field just isn't good at playing QB.  Before the league had really game planned for it, maybe he could have been ok.  But the league has seen running QBs a bunch now.   He has no feel for seeing the field and making timely reads.  He never has.  

Paying Tremaine Edmunds 70 mill was all time hilarious.   

They are just a mess and should tear it down and fire everyone again.  Including Poles.  

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Edmunds replacement who was a 3rd rounder last year who hardly saw snaps. He also had a FR late.  1st player with that stateline since Urlacher years ago.  

Former Buffalo Bills linebacker Tremaine Edmunds was solid with 565 tackles in five seasons, but was criticized for not making enough splash plays. Terrel Bernard is doing cannonballs as his replacement.

Bernard made Bills history against the Washington Commanders on Sunday, becoming the third player in team history with two sacks and an interception in the same game. And Bernard did it in the first quarter.

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2 hours ago, listen2me 23 said:

Bears fans themselves thought they same but they had to go with something.   Oh its coaching.  Its thr supporting cast.  They change the coaching and GM and some still say it is that.  End of the day they just don't have a good roster.  And yes I do think their GM and coaching still suck like the last set.  

I get the idea people thought something would click with Fields.  Some compared it to Josh Allen.  But Fields was a big recruit.   Josh hardly was recruited.  Fields had Ohio state coaching and cast of 5 star players.  Josh had Wyoming coaching and players.   Fields was more of a finished product than Josh was coming out and it wasn't close.  Field just isn't good at playing QB.  Before the league had really game planned for it, maybe he could have been ok.  But the league has seen running QBs a bunch now.   He has no feel for seeing the field and making timely reads.  He never has.  

Paying Tremaine Edmunds 70 mill was all time hilarious.   

They are just a mess and should tear it down and fire everyone again.  Including Poles.  

Yeah, that organization is definitely a hot mess.  I think Fields is someone who needs an experienced coach with the ability to teach someone with his skillsets.  Fields basically had a lame duck coach draft him.  His second year, they bring in a new guy who has his first HC job and he's a defensive coordinator who hires a first time OC (who coached a pocket passer).  I mean, if there's a blue print of "How to fail", the Bears followed it.  As a result, Fields is being throw onto the chopping block for failing to excel around coaches who have no known track record of success.  I'm not saying Fields is good and it's his coaches fault, but I'm saying I'm not convinced that Fields is "THE" problem and I don't know that he's a lost cause.

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50 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Yeah, that organization is definitely a hot mess.  I think Fields is someone who needs an experienced coach with the ability to teach someone with his skillsets.  Fields basically had a lame duck coach draft him.  His second year, they bring in a new guy who has his first HC job and he's a defensive coordinator who hires a first time OC (who coached a pocket passer).  I mean, if there's a blue print of "How to fail", the Bears followed it.  As a result, Fields is being throw onto the chopping block for failing to excel around coaches who have no known track record of success.  I'm not saying Fields is good and it's his coaches fault, but I'm saying I'm not convinced that Fields is "THE" problem and I don't know that he's a lost cause.

You can't say he is THE problem.  Because they have a lot of problems.

Bobby Slowik was a "passing game coordinator". Used to coach defense.  First time OC.  Texans grabbed Ryans as HC.  Stroud already can pass.  

I see what people are saying but I have seen analysts breakdown Fields and some of his plays.  Guys open, doesn't see them.  Bails.  Gets sacked.  Guy doesn't keep his eyes downfield.   

Guy had 99 yards 41 pts down vs thr chiefs.  If there was ever a time for garbage pass yards.....he has had 4 sub 100 yard passing games already.  In todays NFL that is difficult for any QB and OC pairing to do.  Especially down in games each week.  

There have been many QB busts with questionable coaches.  I haven't ever seen the excuses as much as I have with Fields.  

Baker had freddy kitchens.  Kitchens may have sucked but Baker quite clearly has proven he was a bust of a 1st overall pick.  

QBs go high.  There is a reason Fields went in the teens when he was great at Ohio State.  

Bears should get rid of coaches again and keep Fields.   I am all for it.

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If Justin Fields rolls an ankle this year and rookie Tyson Bagent from Sheppard University comes in and leads a better passing game with the same coaches......would everyone be convinced?

We will have to look out for this happening this year.  Stay tuned.  

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24 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

If Justin Fields rolls an ankle this year and rookie Tyson Bagent from Sheppard University comes in and leads a better passing game with the same coaches......would everyone be convinced?

We will have to look out for this happening this year.  Stay tuned.  

Call me a guy who likes the back up whiner but I think Bagant would do much, much better than Fields at this point. 

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3 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Call me a guy who likes the back up whiner but I think Bagant would do much, much better than Fields at this point. 

That’s a mouthful. I’ll just call you Peefoam.

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1 minute ago, MDC said:

That’s a mouthful. I’ll just call you Peefoam.

We know urine slurper. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,482]

11 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

You can't say he is THE problem.  Because they have a lot of problems.

Bobby Slowik was a "passing game coordinator". Used to coach defense.  First time OC.  Texans grabbed Ryans as HC.  Stroud already can pass.  

I see what people are saying but I have seen analysts breakdown Fields and some of his plays.  Guys open, doesn't see them.  Bails.  Gets sacked.  Guy doesn't keep his eyes downfield.   

Guy had 99 yards 41 pts down vs thr chiefs.  If there was ever a time for garbage pass yards.....he has had 4 sub 100 yard passing games already.  In todays NFL that is difficult for any QB and OC pairing to do.  Especially down in games each week.  

There have been many QB busts with questionable coaches.  I haven't ever seen the excuses as much as I have with Fields.  

Baker had freddy kitchens.  Kitchens may have sucked but Baker quite clearly has proven he was a bust of a 1st overall pick.  

QBs go high.  There is a reason Fields went in the teens when he was great at Ohio State.  

Bears should get rid of coaches again and keep Fields.   I am all for it.

Stroud played in 25 games at OSU where he had 830 pass attempts for 8123 yards.  He ran the ball 80 times for 136 yards.

Fields, in comparison, played in 22 games at OSU where he had 579 pass attempts for 5373 yards.  He ran the ball 218 times for 867 yards.

Their history backs that up as well.  In high school, Stroud had over 700 pass attempts, while Fields only had 406 (Stroud had 402 in his senior year).  Rushing is no different as Stroud only had 93 carries for 264 yards where as Fields had 300 carries for almost 2096 yards.  (stats from Jr & Sr seasons only).

I'd also contend that your comparison is proof of my point.  Two kids, same college, same situation in the pros... yet, they're two entirely different style of QB.  One is struggling, and the other is starting off well... though, I mean, it's only 3 games.  I'd also contend that it's even MORE supportive of my point because the Bears OC came from Green Bay who had a polished pocket passer to work with, and now he's working with a Lamar Jackson-type QB.  In Houston, you have a guy who worked with Garoppolo (a budding pocket passer), who's working with a budding pocket passer.  So, when you say Stroud can already pass, I'd say... yeah, he always has.  That can't be said about Fields.  He needed different coaching.  He got that in college, he's NOT getting that in the pros.

 

I don't discount anything you're saying, but I will add, when you look at Alex Smith who had multiple coaches and systems in SF early in his career, he was considered a bust but then goes to KC and he's all of a sudden a Pro Bowler and leading a top 5 offense.  Baker Mayfield (whom I agree with you), could (I doubt it), be another Alex Smith.  Look at Geno Smith.  Some players just need more time and the right system for them to work out and it's possible that Fields is no different.  I could even point to Trevor Lawrence.  In his rookie year, I believe it was PFF.com that had him ranked as the 35th best QB in the league that year.  Personally, I think the Bears to clean house completely and let that coach pick his guy.

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4 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Stroud played in 25 games at OSU where he had 830 pass attempts for 8123 yards.  He ran the ball 80 times for 136 yards.

Fields, in comparison, played in 22 games at OSU where he had 579 pass attempts for 5373 yards.  He ran the ball 218 times for 867 yards.

Their history backs that up as well.  In high school, Stroud had over 700 pass attempts, while Fields only had 406 (Stroud had 402 in his senior year).  Rushing is no different as Stroud only had 93 carries for 264 yards where as Fields had 300 carries for almost 2096 yards.  (stats from Jr & Sr seasons only).

I'd also contend that your comparison is proof of my point.  Two kids, same college, same situation in the pros... yet, they're two entirely different style of QB.  One is struggling, and the other is starting off well... though, I mean, it's only 3 games.  I'd also contend that it's even MORE supportive of my point because the Bears OC came from Green Bay who had a polished pocket passer to work with, and now he's working with a Lamar Jackson-type QB.  In Houston, you have a guy who worked with Garoppolo (a budding pocket passer), who's working with a budding pocket passer.  So, when you say Stroud can already pass, I'd say... yeah, he always has.  That can't be said about Fields.  He needed different coaching.  He got that in college, he's NOT getting that in the pros.

 

I don't discount anything you're saying, but I will add, when you look at Alex Smith who had multiple coaches and systems in SF early in his career, he was considered a bust but then goes to KC and he's all of a sudden a Pro Bowler and leading a top 5 offense.  Baker Mayfield (whom I agree with you), could (I doubt it), be another Alex Smith.  Look at Geno Smith.  Some players just need more time and the right system for them to work out and it's possible that Fields is no different.  I could even point to Trevor Lawrence.  In his rookie year, I believe it was PFF.com that had him ranked as the 35th best QB in the league that year.  Personally, I think the Bears to clean house completely and let that coach pick his guy.

So you are saying Getsy who worked with a pocket passer in GB came in last year and in that year his QB ran for the 2nd most yds of any qb in a season......is boxing him in?   

Baker Geno Alex Smith all had shown abilities to throw the ball downfield even in NFL years where they sucked.  

Fields sees the softest coverage in the NFL and still cant pass or even try to pass at times.