Who uses flex fuel in their vehicle?

[Alias Detective 1,389]

Focking corn for fuel.  FAILURE.

[bostonlager 2,664]

Not me. 

[Alias Detective 1,389]

Anyone?  Anyone?

[League Champion 1,896]

Who uses flex fuel in their vehicle?

 

NOBODY!!!! 

[Alias Detective 1,389]

The climate change pushers better be using this crap…cause the earth.

[League Champion 1,896]

Just now, Alias Detective said:

The climate change pushers better be using this crap…cause the earth.

Do they even know how much corn it takes to fill a gas tank?? 

[supermike80 1,803]

I had an Impala that used E85.   Filled it a few times with it.  But only if the price was worth it.  

[MLCKAA 540]

12 hours ago, Alias Detective said:

Focking corn for fuel.  FAILURE.

I met with a farmer yesterday who sells 575,000 bushels of corn to a biorefinery every year.  He just finished drying his harvest Saturday.

 

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

1 hour ago, Alias Detective said:

The climate change pushers better be using this crap…cause the earth.

Nothing to do with climate change it was legislated in 2005 when the gas prices were ramping up just prior to the discovery of horizontal well fracking.

The problem is not just flex fuel but we should even get rid of e10.

Compared to pure gasoline ethanol is more corrosive, it is less energy dense, it makes gasoline absorb water easier, it drives up the price of food because we are now introducing more demand against the food supply and it also drives up the price of gasoline because a gallon of ethanol costs more than a gallon of refined gasoline.

 

 

/rant

 

[Twinsdad 53]

Had a Grand Caravan that could use flex fuel.  When I saw the price drop, I tried it for about a week where I had a long trip planned.

The price was about 25% lower than regular, but my mileage for the week dropped by 30% (24 mpg > 16-17) so the economics weren't there to keep using it.  Typically I see the E85 price is only about 10% lower.  If I had one today, I wouldn't even consider using E85

[edjr 6,578]

I use flex seal, so I can also drive on water.

[IGotWorms 4,057]

I don’t even know what you’re talking about. Is this just in some states or something? Also ratsass

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

15 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

I don’t even know what you’re talking about. Is this just in some states or something? Also ratsass

Also known as e85.

[Kopy 559]

15 minutes ago, edjr said:

I use flex seal, so I can also drive on water.

I use the spray when it rains. Havnt needed a raincoat in years.

 

[Engorgeous George 2,126]

14 minutes ago, Kopy said:

I use the spray when it rains. Havnt needed a raincoat in years.

 

It could replace condoms in the near future.

[MLCKAA 540]

2 hours ago, MTSkiBum said:

Nothing to do with climate change it was legislated in 2005 when the gas prices were ramping up just prior to the discovery of horizontal well fracking.

The problem is not just flex fuel but we should even get rid of e10.

Compared to pure gasoline ethanol is more corrosive, it is less energy dense, it makes gasoline absorb water easier, it drives up the price of food because we are now introducing more demand against the food supply and it also drives up the price of gasoline because a gallon of ethanol costs more than a gallon of refined gasoline.

 

 

/rant

 

One can argue that it drives up the price of food, but it’s a specious argument.  True, farmers could be planting more food crops if they weren’t planting for biofuels so there’s a scarcity impact.  But the corn planted for biofuel is not the same corn put on the table.  Furthermore, the farmer gets a shockingly low return for his crops.  The farmer I met yesterday is getting $4.40/bushel which works out to about $1,100 per acre.  Most of the cost of food is post-commodity, so don’t be too quick to believe biofuels have a big impact on supermarket prices.

[IGotWorms 4,057]

35 minutes ago, MTSkiBum said:

Also known as e85.

Ah thank you. Yeah we don’t seem to have that in WA, or at least not that I’ve seen. I do believe I’ve seen it in Wyoming and other, uh, “cheaper” states 

[Alias Detective 1,389]

3 hours ago, MLCKAA said:

I met with a farmer yesterday who sells 575,000 bushels of corn to a biorefinery every year.  He just finished drying his harvest Saturday.

 

Yes, i know a farmer who grows 1,000's of acres of corn for the same purpose.  Why don't you use it?

[Alias Detective 1,389]

3 hours ago, MTSkiBum said:

Nothing to do with climate change it was legislated in 2005 when the gas prices were ramping up just prior to the discovery of horizontal well fracking.

The problem is not just flex fuel but we should even get rid of e10.

Compared to pure gasoline ethanol is more corrosive, it is less energy dense, it makes gasoline absorb water easier, it drives up the price of food because we are now introducing more demand against the food supply and it also drives up the price of gasoline because a gallon of ethanol costs more than a gallon of refined gasoline.

 

 

/rant

 

Wrong - https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/climate.shtml

Wrong - https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/consres.shtml

[MLCKAA 540]

55 minutes ago, Alias Detective said:

Yes, i know a farmer who grows 1,000's of acres of corn for the same purpose.  Why don't you use it?

Why don’t I use biofuel?  My company car isn’t an FFV.

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

1 hour ago, Alias Detective said:

Wrong - https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/climate.shtml

Wrong - https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/consres.shtml

 

The law legislating ethanol in fuel happened during the mid 2000's when gasoline ramped up to 5.00 a gallon. It was passed to help with the fuel supply and was not passed because of any issue related to global warming.

 

The below study finds that corn ethanol actually causes more carbon in the atmosphere than gasoline.

Quote from article:

The carbon intensity of corn ethanol produced under the RFS is no less than gasoline and likely at least 24% higher.

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2101084119
 

 

 

The below was a snippet from that time period, all reports from this time period talk about how ethanol is a renewable fuel. Nothing to do with global warming.

 

August 2005 — President George W. Bush signs the Energy Policy Act of 2005, requiring oil companies to add ethanol to their gasoline. Called the Renewable Fuels Standard, this mandate begins with a 4-billion-gallon (15.14-billion liter) requirement in 2006 and doubles by 2012. Corn is selling for $1.95 a bushel.

 

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

Fuel ethanol is one of those issues where we can blame both sides equally.

The original bill was passed in 2005 under a republican president, republican senate, and republican house. Then it was doubled in 2007 in a bill introduced by a democrat and passed by democratic senate/house.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,832]

3 hours ago, edjr said:

I use flex seal, so I can also drive on water.

I use sex seal on yur mom, so I can drive it all the way home.

[edjr 6,578]

3 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

I use sex seal on yur mom, so I can drive it all the way home.

what will she do with the other 29 minutes?

[Alias Detective 1,389]

33 minutes ago, MTSkiBum said:

Fuel ethanol is one of those issues where we can blame both sides equally.

The original bill was passed in 2005 under a republican president, republican senate, and republican house. Then it was doubled in 2007 in a bill introduced by a democrat and passed by democratic senate/house.

 

44 minutes ago, MTSkiBum said:

 

The law legislating ethanol in fuel happened during the mid 2000's when gasoline ramped up to 5.00 a gallon. It was passed to help with the fuel supply and was not passed because of any issue related to global warming.

 

The below study finds that corn ethanol actually causes more carbon in the atmosphere than gasoline.

Quote from article:

The carbon intensity of corn ethanol produced under the RFS is no less than gasoline and likely at least 24% higher.

https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2101084119
 

 

 

The below was a snippet from that time period, all reports from this time period talk about how ethanol is a renewable fuel. Nothing to do with global warming.

 

August 2005 — President George W. Bush signs the Energy Policy Act of 2005, requiring oil companies to add ethanol to their gasoline. Called the Renewable Fuels Standard, this mandate begins with a 4-billion-gallon (15.14-billion liter) requirement in 2006 and doubles by 2012. Corn is selling for $1.95 a bushel.

 

Wrong - https://www.epa.gov/renewable-fuel-standard-program

Congress created the renewable fuel standard (RFS) program to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and expand the nation’s renewable fuels sector while reducing reliance on imported oil.

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

2 minutes ago, Alias Detective said:

 

Wrong - https://www.epa.gov/renewable-fuel-standard-program

Congress created the renewable fuel standard (RFS) program to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and expand the nation’s renewable fuels sector while reducing reliance on imported oil.

 

In my opinion that is marketing BS, many companies and sadly government organizations put what the public wants to see on their website rather than the truth. Can't believe everything you read on the internet.

Flex fuel is worse for carbon dioxide emissions than gasoline and is worse for MMGW.

https://www.reuters.com/business/environment/us-corn-based-ethanol-worse-climate-than-gasoline-study-finds-2022-02-14/

[Alias Detective 1,389]

4 minutes ago, MTSkiBum said:

 

In my opinion that is marketing BS, many companies and sadly government organizations put what the public wants to see on their website rather than the truth. Can't believe everything you read on the internet.

Flex fuel is worse for carbon dioxide emissions than gasoline and is worse for MMGW.

https://www.reuters.com/business/environment/us-corn-based-ethanol-worse-climate-than-gasoline-study-finds-2022-02-14/

When things don't go your way blame marketing.  Nice.  BTW, it's the EPA doing the scare tactic BS and it's even worse now.  Focking earther's screwed the pooch on this one.  They need to just admit it.

[Alias Detective 1,389]

Anyone else use extra corn in their tanks for the earf?

[IGotWorms 4,057]

4 minutes ago, Alias Detective said:

When things don't go your way blame marketing.  Nice.  BTW, it's the EPA doing the scare tactic BS and it's even worse now.  Focking earther's screwed the pooch on this one.  They need to just admit it.

I’m shocked your ultimate point was to whine and b1tch about climate policy

[Alias Detective 1,389]

1 minute ago, IGotWorms said:

I’m shocked your ultimate point was to whine and b1tch about climate policy

When the climate policy was wrong it should be cried and whined about.  Thanks for adding nothing per the usual. 

[Fnord 2,051]

4 minutes ago, Alias Detective said:

Anyone else use extra corn in their tanks for the earf?

As one that tries to be cognizant of my contributions to global warming as well as conservation efforts, ethanol can Fock right off. I used it once because it was super cheap, and immediately regretted it. Truck didn't run as well, and gas mileage plummeted. I consider ethanol to just be a giant subsidy for corporate farming at this point.

[Alias Detective 1,389]

Just now, Fnord said:

As one that tries to be cognizant of my contributions to global warming as well as conservation efforts, ethanol can Fock right off. I used it once because it was super cheap, and immediately regretted it. Truck didn't run as well, and gas mileage plummeted. I consider ethanol to just be a giant subsidy for corporate farming at this point.

This.

[Cloaca du jour 2,147]

Alcohol absorbs water....no thanks