Discussion about rape and the movie The Accused

[peenie 1,905]

I saw it in the late 80’s and never watched it again until last night. The movie is based on the real life gang rape of a woman in a bar on a pool table in Massachusetts:

In 1983, Cheryl Araujo was a 21-year-old mother of two living in her hometown of New Bedford, Massachusetts. On March 6th, she went into Big Dan’s Tavern to buy cigarettes from a dispenser inside the bar. After chatting with a waitress and ordering a drink, Araujo was attempting to leave the bar when a man grabbed her from behind. She was gang raped on the bar’s pool table while others looked on. One man admitted during the trial that he shouted, “Go for it! Go for it!” during the assault. After more than two hours, Araujo managed to escape, and ran half naked into the street where she flagged down a car carrying three three men, including brothers Dan and Michael O’Neill.

Based on your upbringing, do you believe the way rape was defined has changed since you were young? For those that remember the crime, some people believed the men were innocent because she enticed them or that her being in a bar alone implied she was deserving of the rape.

I am old enough to remember being afraid for any girl who was drunk and went off with a boy. I was afraid she might get raped by him or him and his friends. I think men were not taught, like they are today, that taking advantage of a drunk girl was wrong. I recall boys laughing about “pulling a train on a girl”. Girls who were coerced or forced into having sex with more than one boy at a time, back in my day, told no one and faulted herself. (Luckily, I was not a victim of that sort of rape.)

Today, thank goodness, boys and girls are taught that NO means NO and you can’t consent to sex if you are under the influence or under age.

However, rape, when I was very young, was something that happened by a stranger not your boyfriend or husband or friend. It was a severely violent act. Furthermore, if you as a girl or woman were at a man’s house or room alone and you didn’t scream bloody murder then it wasn’t seen as being clear that you didn’t want to have sex or lead the man or men to believe that you wanted the sexual act to occur. 

For you older guys, do you remember having to unlearn certain behaviors or ways of thinking about what rape is or how and when to make sexual advances towards women? 
 

[BeachGuy23 642]

Weird that League Champion hasn't posted a meme or twitter or youtube story on this...I wonder why?

[Engorgeous George 2,127]

I was taught to be a gentleman by my father who was a gentleman, who learned his behavior from his father, a gentleman.

[BeachGuy23 642]

Just now, peenie said:

I saw it in the late 80’s and never watched it again until last night. The movie is based on the real life gang rape of a woman in a bar on a pool table in Massachusetts:

In 1983, Cheryl Araujo was a 21-year-old mother of two living in her hometown of New Bedford, Massachusetts. On March 6th, she went into Big Dan’s Tavern to buy cigarettes from a dispenser inside the bar. After chatting with a waitress and ordering a drink, Araujo was attempting to leave the bar when a man grabbed her from behind. She was gang raped on the bar’s pool table while others looked on. One man admitted during the trial that he shouted, “Go for it! Go for it!” during the assault. After more than two hours, Araujo managed to escape, and ran half naked into the street where she flagged down a car carrying three three men, including brothers Dan and Michael O’Neill.

Based on your upbringing, do you believe the way rape was defined has changed since you were young? For those that remember the crime, some people believed the men were innocent because she enticed them or that her being in a bar alone implied she was deserving of the rape.

I am old enough to remember being afraid for any girl who was drunk and went off with a boy. I was afraid she might get raped by him or him and his friends. I think men were not taught, like they are today, that taking advantage of a drunk girl was wrong. I recall boys laughing about “pulling a train on a girl”. Girls who were coerced or forced into having sex with more than one boy at a time, back in my day, told no one and faulted herself. (Luckily, I was not a victim of that sort of rape.)

Today, thank goodness, boys and girls are taught that NO means NO and you can’t consent to sex if you are under the influence or under age.

However, rape, when I was very young, was something that happened by a stranger not your boyfriend or husband or friend. It was a severely violent act. Furthermore, if you as a girl or woman were at a man’s house or room alone and you didn’t scream bloody murder then it wasn’t seen as being clear that you didn’t want to have sex or lead the man or men to believe that you wanted the sexual act to occur. 

For you older guys, do you remember having to unlearn certain behaviors or ways of thinking about what rape is or how and when to make sexual advances towards women? 
 

And yes, the perception of sexual assault has change quite a bit over the last 40 years.  This is thanks to liberal ideology moving the country forward and away from a society where men dominate women in every aspect of life.

It's a clear sign of an improving society. 

[Engorgeous George 2,127]

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[BeachGuy23 642]

4 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

You’re a retard. Liberal ideology has taken rape way too far.  And no men conservative or liberal support rape 

Conservative ideology is based on a patriarchal society friend.  This type of society automatically accepts the man's word unless massive evidence to the contrary.

There are lots of examples of these societies in the world today.

[Ron_Artest 1,057]

19 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Liberal ideology has taken rape way too far.

Tell me you excuse rape without telling me you excuse rape.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,237]

10 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said:

Conservative ideology is based on a patriarchal society friend.  This type of society automatically accepts the man's word unless massive evidence to the contrary.

There are lots of examples of these societies in the world today.

The patriarchal society also place the lives of women and children above that of men. So try again.  It also believes that men are men and women are women. 
 

but hey keep supporting Islam while you’re at it

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,237]

Just now, Ron_Artest said:

Tell me you excuse rape without telling me you excuse rape.

Nope. Liberal ideology says that if a man and woman get drunk and happen to hook up that if the woman wakes up the next day with regret that’s rape. 
 

also believe all women unless of course they are conservative. Total scam but keep going.  Liberal ideology supports pedos 

[Alias Detective 1,389]

5 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Tell me you excuse rape without telling me you excuse rape.

Brett Cavanaugh says Fock off.

[MLCKAA 540]

55 minutes ago, peenie said:

I recall boys laughing about “pulling a train on a girl”.
 

Just to be clear, are you actually saying that you personally have real memories from your childhood or teen years of personally hearing boys talk about running a train on a girl?

[League Champion 1,896]

59 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said:

Weird that League Champion hasn't posted a meme or twitter or youtube story on this...I wonder why?

Why, so you sick Liberals can beat off to it? You're a sick dude BOYO. 

[BeachGuy23 642]

2 minutes ago, League Champion said:

Why, so you sick Liberals can beat off to it? You're a sick dude BOYO. 

But you posting nothing but blacks miss behaving is perfectly reasonable?

You need some enlightenment in your life friend. I worry about you.

And just curious, do you and your conservative buddies beat off to all the tranny and black crime videos you post?

Now it all makes sense.

Sicko

 

[League Champion 1,896]

2 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said:

nothing but blacks

I'm sorry if black people frighten you. Perhaps I should post photos of oiled up Bodybuilder Cabana Boys to make you feel more comfortable. I'm sure you'd have no problem with that, huh BOYO?

[BeachGuy23 642]

1 minute ago, League Champion said:

I'm sorry if black people frighten you. Perhaps I should post photos of oiled up Bodybuilder Cabana Boys to make you feel more comfortable. I'm sure you'd have no problem with that, huh BOYO?

Your weird fantasies don’t interest me.

But you and your alt right sheep beating off to the multitude of blacks behaving badly and tranny pics you post make tons of sense now.  This place is basically pornhub for the alt right.  And you’re the content master.

Gross

[League Champion 1,896]

5 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said:

alt right sheep

Come again BOYO

 

 

[BeachGuy23 642]

Just now, League Champion said:

Come again BOYO

 

 

Don't you think you've provided enough beat off material for your alt right sheep for one day friend?

[League Champion 1,896]

Just now, BeachGuy23 said:

Don't you think you've provided enough beat off material for one day friend?

I knew you'd like it

[BeachGuy23 642]

1 minute ago, League Champion said:

I knew you'd like it

Haha we all know who you're posting these for friend.

But you alt right lemmings do you I guess. 

[jonnyutah 248]

Seems some countries are a little further back...

 

[BeachGuy23 642]

Just now, jonnyutah said:

Seems some countries are a little further back...

 

What's the backstory on this?  Has to be more than just the headline. 

[peenie 1,905]

1 hour ago, MLCKAA said:

Just to be clear, are you actually saying that you personally have real memories from your childhood or teen years of personally hearing boys talk about running a train on a girl?

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Actually, this is why I’m here. Okay…please understand, I am 57 years old. Understand that when I was coming up, it was not seen as a crime to take advantage of a girl or woman in this way. It was seen as the fault of the girl. Honestly, it seems absurd, but when questioned the girl would be blamed not the boys. Think of it like leaving your wallet unattended in public, leaving your computer and cell phone visible in an unlocked car. People would automatically say you were foolish to think your valuables wouldn’t be stolen and sure, file a police report but what did expect. 
I know of 3 incidents specifically that happened. 
In one incident my friend in high school had a serious crush on a popular boy in school. She had a sexy physique as a freshman, her parents were not from this country so she was a bit different, her hair was very long and her clothes were maybe tighter than other kids because she wore hand me downs - I’m giving you the framework, not blaming her. He invited her over his house while his parents weren’t home. She thought it was just going to be him there but it was him and another boy who didn’t go to our school, a dropout. They took advantage of her and talked about it. She got a bad reputation from it. That’s how it was back then. 
The other incident involved 1 girl and 7 boys. In that case, I begged my friend to tell her parents and the police because she was clearly raped. She said to prevent herself from being brutalized she participated and was complaint so she couldn’t tell anyone. 
The last story was a girl, not my friend, was having sex with her boyfriend and during the act his friends stormed in and took advantage of her. She dropped out of school. Nothing was done to the boys.

[BeachGuy23 642]

6 minutes ago, peenie said:

110%
Actually, this is why I’m here. Okay…please understand, I am 57 years old. Understand that when I was coming up, it was not seen as a crime to take advantage of a girl or woman in this way. It was seen as the fault of the girl. Honestly, it seems absurd, but when questioned the girl would be blamed not the boys. Think of it like leaving your wallet unattended in public, leaving your computer and cell phone visible in an unlocked car. People would automatically say you were foolish to think your valuables wouldn’t be stolen and sure, file a police report but what did expect. 
I know of 3 incidents specifically that happened. 
My friend in high school had a serious crush on a popular boy in school. She had a sexy physique as a freshman, her parents were not from this country so she was a bit different, her hair was very long and her clothes were maybe tighter than other kids because she wore hand me downs - I’m giving you the framework, not blaming her. He invited her over his house while his parents weren’t home. She thought it was just going to be him there but it was him and another boy who didn’t go to our school, a dropout. They took advantage of her and talked about it. Sure got a bad reputation from it. That’s how it was back then. 

Yep, this was not uncommon.  And the boys rarely got punished.  

[IGotWorms 4,057]

I don’t think it’s changed quite as much as you’d like to think.

Yes in society generally, these types of behaviors have become less acceptable, and that’s a good thing.

But in some subsets it’s still alive and well. It does not sound to me like the college Greek system has truly changed appreciably, for example.

And you’ve got some that would like to unwind the clock even further. These right wing incel types that think women should be property and owe men something. We’ve seen one of them in this very thread already. There’s a lot of em out there and they’re gaining influence every day  

[Reality 3,096]

4 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

I don’t think it’s changed quite as much as you’d like to think.

Yes in society generally, these types of behaviors have become less acceptable, and that’s a good thing.

But in some subsets it’s still alive and well. It does not sound to me like the college Greek system has truly changed appreciably, for example.

And you’ve got some that would like to unwind the clock even further. These right wing incel types that think women should be property and owe men something. We’ve seen one of them in this very thread already. There’s a lot of em out there and they’re gaining influence every day  

Elected official.

[IGotWorms 4,057]

9 minutes ago, Reality said:

Elected official.

There’s no video or anything there so I can’t see for myself. But it (big *if*) that tweet is actually an accurate representation of what she said, then obviously she’d be nuts. HTH

[Reality 3,096]

9 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

There’s no video or anything there so I can’t see for myself. But it (big *if*) that tweet is actually an accurate representation of what she said, then obviously she’d be nuts. HTH

 

[BeachGuy23 642]

1 minute ago, Reality said:

 

She literally denounces the rape by Palestine as horrific and repugnant multiple times.  She then says Israel killing 15k Palestinians is also terrible.

Clearly she's trying to say Israel needs to watch their crap too but she in no way gave Hammas a pass.

And I'm no fan of hers in general and hope she gets primaried. 

[IGotWorms 4,057]

5 minutes ago, Reality said:

 

Thanks for posting the video

I heard her say very first thing that of course rape is horrible and she condemns Hamas’ use of it. “Absolutely.”

Her point is that we can’t just focus on that and use it as justification for killing 15,000 Palestinian civilians along with displacing hundreds of thousands more. Seems like a fair point to me. I’m certainly not on Hamas’ side but there unquestionably will come a point where the response is too much in terms of civilian deaths and suffering

[Ron_Artest 1,057]

3 hours ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Nope. Liberal ideology says that if a man and woman get drunk and happen to hook up that if the woman wakes up the next day with regret that’s rape. 
 

also believe all women unless of course they are conservative. Total scam but keep going.  Liberal ideology supports pedos 

Neither of these statements are true.  Sad.

[IGotWorms 4,057]

41 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said:

And I'm no fan of hers in general and hope she gets primaried. 

Agreed. She’s too far left and makes a very convenient villain for the right. Even when they twist her words (like here) it still works because she’s too much of an ideologue 

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4 hours ago, Engorgeous George said:

I was taught to be a gentleman by my father who was a gentleman, who learned his behavior from his father, a gentleman.

This. I'd say the same thing in a slightly different way. You, your father, & your grandfather shared certain traits like honor, integrity, & knowing the difference between right & wrong.

[Cdub100 3,838]

It's weird to me how many women are into the rape fantasy. 

[jonnyutah 248]

24 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Agreed. She’s too far left and makes a very convenient villain for the right. Even when they twist her words (like here) it still works because she’s too much of an ideologue 

They did not twist anything. Take the semen out of your ears. 

[HellToupee 1,586]

Can’t see a pool table without thinking about Big Dans

[HellToupee 1,586]

5 hours ago, peenie said:

Based on your upbringing, do you believe the way rape was defined has changed since you were young? For those that remember the crime, some people believed the men were innocent because she enticed them or that her being in a bar alone implied she was deserving of the rape.

I am old enough to remember being afraid for any girl who was drunk and went off with a boy. I was afraid she might get raped by him or him and his friends. I think men were not taught, like they are today, that taking advantage of a drunk girl was wrong. I recall boys laughing about “pulling a train on a girl”. Girls who were coerced or forced into having sex with more than one boy at a time, back in my day, told no one and faulted herself. (Luckily, I was not a victim of that sort of rape.)

Today, thank goodness, boys and girls are taught that NO means NO and you can’t consent to sex if you are under the influence or under age.

I’m the same age as you and growing up in MA I didn’t know anyone who thought the rapists were innocent. We knew what rape was , wasn’t raised by savages. Being full of testosterone the goal of every date back then was to have sex. Group sex wasn’t a thing. Seems like a lot of assumptions were made based on lowlifes in New Bedford 

[IGotWorms 4,057]

3 hours ago, jonnyutah said:

They did not twist anything. Take the semen out of your ears. 

I watched the video. Yes they did 

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you pathetic nerds keep replying to peenie threads.  

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5 hours ago, Reality said:

Elected official.

Jewish space lasers! 

[peenie 1,905]

17 hours ago, HellToupee said:

I’m the same age as you and growing up in MA I didn’t know anyone who thought the rapists were innocent. We knew what rape was , wasn’t raised by savages. Being full of testosterone the goal of every date back then was to have sex. Group sex wasn’t a thing. Seems like a lot of assumptions were made based on lowlifes in New Bedford 

I didn’t make this up in my head. It is a fact that some people, due to the era, partially blamed the victim. 
I recall even in the Mike Tyson rape case not everyone believed the victim. Which highlights my point that rape, in the older generation’s mind, happens with a stranger or with evidence of violence.