Discussion about rape and the movie The Accused

[peenie 1,905]

5 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

To me there was, back in the day, and there remains today, a small subset of vile azzholes who take advantage, who live in a culture where the conduct Peenie describes is tolerated and or even celebrated.  Most of us stand opposed to that culture and always have.  

What culture are you speaking of? The Stanford culture? Both the judge and Brock went to Stanford. 

[supermike80 1,804]

2 minutes ago, peenie said:

What culture are you speaking of? The Stanford culture? Both the judge and Brock went to Stanford. 

Oh I think that kind of mindset exists through race, economic status, age etc.   The culture is one of men thinking they can do this.   They are out there.   Unfortunately.   But like EG said, would NEVER happen on my watch.  No way in hell would I willingly watch my friend rape a girl.  Not when I was 16 and not now when I'm 56.  And I wouldn't be lining up for a train either.

[HellToupee 1,587]

34 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

It’s possible that was true of you and your friends (though I’m guessing that’s a rose-colored view), but it certainly wasn’t the case with many people back then. Societal expectations have definitely evolved 

Wtf are you talking about. Rape wasn’t acceptable. The op seems to be under the assumption that group sex was a teen boy recreational activity 

[peenie 1,905]

Yes, let’s not turn this into a black people commit rape more than anyone else thread because you know what I will do. This thread is about mindset and behaviors, not race. And if you want to add race or cultural differences, it’s okay to discuss it but please let’s do it respectfully. Otherwise, I’m not participating.

[Engorgeous George 2,131]

1 hour ago, peenie said:

What culture are you speaking of? The Stanford culture? Both the judge and Brock went to Stanford. 

I grew up in the rural Midwest in the 60's.  The behaviors you described would not have been tolerated, in fact any attempting such behavior would have been roundly beaten and then turned over to the law, and they would have welcomed being turned over because they needed ongoing police protection from angry friends and family of the victim.  That was one culture.  I went to college in the 70's, both out east and then in one of the larger colleges in the country.  The conduct you reference was tolerated in some subsets on campus, some jocks and some in Greek life.  Their toleration and even celebration of "conquests" of "notches on the belt or headboard" remain condemned by me and most I knew.  As for the Stanford case, I believe it an outlier.  That was why it generated so much publicity and discussion, at least to my mind.  Almost universally that decision was roundly condemned, as it should ahve been.

 

 

[peenie 1,905]

1 minute ago, HellToupee said:

Wtf are you talking about. Rape wasn’t acceptable. The op seems to be under the assumption that group sex was a teen boy recreational activity 

No, I wasn’t saying that, I simply shared that it wasn’t considered rape. Not that boys were assaulting girls left and right for fun.

[Engorgeous George 2,131]

1 minute ago, peenie said:

Yes, let’s not turn this into a black people commit rape more than anyone else thread because you know what I will do. This thread is about mindset and behaviors, not race. And if you want to add race or cultural differences, it’s okay to discuss it but please let’s do it respectfully. Otherwise, I’m not participating.

When I mentioned culture I think you presumed I was using that word as a code word for race, I was not.  I was using it to describe the subhumans who view conquest through any means as not only acceptable, but admirable.  I was referencing jocks, frat boys, and ignorant rednecks.  Sorry you jumped to a conclusion and took it otherrwise.  I will bow out as I do not wish to upset you nor to derail the thread.

[MDC 7,130]

Yep, attitudes have definitely changed about what is or isn’t SA or rape. A lot of movies from that time show harassment and lack of consent for laughs. It’s a time capsule and shouldn’t be cancelled but pop culture changed as attitudes changed.

I didn’t have to unlearn anything but as a young adult made sure I had consent especially a first time and when alcohol was involved. When my son is older I’ll talk to him about the same thing.

[Engorgeous George 2,131]

Oh, one last thing before I go.  There is no question in my mind that we men are the most dangerous thing a woman can encounter.  no question in my mind back in the day or now that acquaintance rape far exceeds stranger in the dark alley rape.  Women need to be cautious around we men until they know us for a long time.

[supermike80 1,804]

17 minutes ago, peenie said:

Yes, let’s not turn this into a black people commit rape more than anyone else thread because you know what I will do. This thread is about mindset and behaviors, not race. And if you want to add race or cultural differences, it’s okay to discuss it but please let’s do it respectfully. Otherwise, I’m not participating.

Nope...not here. Like I said..This problem has tentacles through out society.,

[TheNewGirl 1,347]

11 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

Oh, one last thing before I go.  There is no question in my mind that we men are the most dangerous thing a woman can encounter.  no question in my mind back in the day or now that acquaintance rape far exceeds stranger in the dark alley rape.  Women need to be cautious around we men until they know us for a long time.

I am glad someone still recognizes this. 

There is the "not all men" comment out there when this subject is brought up in any number of circles. 

Maybe not all men, but after we take away THOSE men, their supporters and defenders...there are few actual MEN left. Not all men, but MEN. 

It's true in that women still have to be cautious when going out on a date, or simply walking to our cars when it's dark out. 

25 minutes ago, peenie said:

Yes, let’s not turn this into a black people commit rape more than anyone else thread because you know what I will do. This thread is about mindset and behaviors, not race. And if you want to add race or cultural differences, it’s okay to discuss it but please let’s do it respectfully. Otherwise, I’m not participating.

No one is brining race into this, Peenie. 

Mindset and behaviors cross all races, ethnicities, classes, etc. No one is bringing up race. 

[IGotWorms 4,057]

59 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Rose colored view?  That me and my friends wouldn't try to fock a drunk girl in a pool hall who was dressing flirty?  Not sure where you grew up or what your friends and you felt was OK, but in my world, that was just not OK.

Lots of guys I knew would have, yes. I don’t know where you grew up but that was quite common most places.

[supermike80 1,804]

4 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Lots of guys I knew would have, yes. I don’t know where you grew up but that was quite common most places.

Holy cow.  That's terrible.  I feel bad you had such lousy friends.  

[IGotWorms 4,057]

12 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Holy cow.  That's terrible.  I feel bad you had such lousy friends.  

I can’t tell if you’re deeply naive or entirely full of sh1t

I mean, what did you think the #metoo movement was all about?  

[supermike80 1,804]

2 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

I can’t tell if you’re deeply naive or entirely full of sh1t

I mean, what did you think the #metoo movement was all about?  

Wow....I just don't know what to say.  I'm terribly sorry you had to live with friends like this that would happily rape women. Did you rape them too?  Are you saying when you grew up it was cool for you to rape women?  Not where I grew up.  Guess we were different

[IGotWorms 4,057]

2 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Wow....I just don't know what to say.  I'm terribly sorry you had to live with friends like this that would happily rape women. Did you rape them too?  Are you saying when you grew up it was cool for you to rape women?  Not where I grew up.  Guess we were different

You sidestepped my question on the me too movement. Do you think those concerns were just made up or something?

[supermike80 1,804]

1 minute ago, IGotWorms said:

You sidestepped my question on the me too movement. Do you think those concerns were just made up or something?

I'm sorry I sidestepped. I was kinda taken aback by your friends(and maybe you?) openly raping girls when you were younger because I guess it was a "different time"

Still processing that.   Hard to focus on much else.

[wiffleball 4,788]

So, what?  I'm the only guy that got turned on by that scene?  

The fact that she was a fishmuncher made it even  better.

err....I mean worse. Worser! 

 

That's why I hold the "I spit on your grave" series in such high esteem. 

[wiffleball 4,788]

Uh Huh. Sooo.....This 21 y.o. MOHTER OF TWO went into a bar for a pack of cigarettes and just accidentally bought a drink (or many).

 

Where were the kids?  

[IGotWorms 4,057]

8 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

I'm sorry I sidestepped. I was kinda taken aback by your friends(and maybe you?) openly raping girls when you were younger because I guess it was a "different time"

Still processing that.   Hard to focus on much else.

Nice try sh1tbag, but that’s not what I said

[wiffleball 4,788]

Gotta admit: Girl was a Pin Ball Wizard. 

 

There has to be a trick.  

[supermike80 1,804]

3 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Nice try sh1tbag, but that’s not what I said

Dude..THIS is what you said

Lots of guys I knew would have, yes.

No qualifications.  No   "But I would have stopped them"  No  "Not me"

Just that.  Which is gross.  So yeah, sorry I can't focus on your changing the subject when you just told me you had a bunch of friends that would openly rape girls no problem.   Guess I'm glad me too came about for you and your friends.   Scary

Peenie..You wanted to know where in society this existed...well, I guess I give you worms

[IGotWorms 4,057]

Just now, supermike80 said:

Dude..THIS is what you said

Lots of guys I knew would have, yes.

No qualifications.  No   "But I would have stopped them"  No  "Not me"

Just that.  Which is gross.  So yeah, sorry I can't focus on your changing the subject when you just told me you had a bunch of friends that would openly rape girls no problem.   Guess I'm glad me too came about for you and your friends.   Scary

Peenie..You wanted to know where in society this existed...well, I guess I give you worms

[supermike80 1,804]

1 hour ago, HellToupee said:

Wtf are you talking about. Rape wasn’t acceptable. The op seems to be under the assumption that group sex was a teen boy recreational activity 

Clearly was for Worms and his buddies.   I guess rape was just the thing

[Reality 3,097]

Wow.

[supermike80 1,804]

Peenie..I apologize for pushing back on you with this.  Where I grew up, this didn't happen, and I would have never let it happen.  However, based on Worms input..I guess I grew up in some kind of Eden where women were treated with respect.  I see now that this is not the case in some people's worlds.  I mean of course I knew that, I'm just shocked someone would just come right out and admit it.

[Reality 3,097]

On 12/3/2023 at 11:41 AM, IGotWorms said:

Thanks for posting the video

I heard her say very first thing that of course rape is horrible and she condemns Hamas’ use of it. “Absolutely.”

Her point is that we can’t just focus on that and use it as justification for killing 15,000 Palestinian civilians along with displacing hundreds of thousands more. Seems like a fair point to me. I’m certainly not on Hamas’ side but there unquestionably will come a point where the response is too much in terms of civilian deaths and suffering

Not sure how I missed this, she downplayed the mass rape of Israeli women. Disgusting comments, anybody who agrees with anything she had to say is a piece of shlt.

After reading more of your comments in this thread, I'm beginning to understand your position, sadly.

[TheNewGirl 1,347]

2 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

Lots of guys I knew would have, yes. I don’t know where you grew up but that was quite common most places.

Wait, are you saying it was common to have friends that would try and fock a drunk girl in a pool? Where others were okay with it and would egg them on? And none of their (your) friends would tell them to stop or that it wasn't cool to do that? 

Am I reading this right? 

 

[BeachGuy23 642]

1 hour ago, supermike80 said:

Peenie..I apologize for pushing back on you with this.  Where I grew up, this didn't happen, and I would have never let it happen.  However, based on Worms input..I guess I grew up in some kind of Eden where women were treated with respect.  I see now that this is not the case in some people's worlds.  I mean of course I knew that, I'm just shocked someone would just come right out and admit it.

How do you know this "didn't happen" where you grew up?

The entire premise is that back in the day women didn't have near the support they have now and many kept it quiet.

You're making a lot of assumptions based on the behavior of you and a few dudes you know.  Neither I nor my friends would engage in this behavior but if you think I believe no dudes a school did you're very much mistaken.  Much much different back then.  How do you think the casting couch concept came to be?

[League Champion 1,896]

There's nothing unsexier than a sloppy drunk skank. Being in the Military I've seen and done most everything possible but sloppy skeezers wasn't my thing. 

Most guys I knew would F anything that moves, nothing that I would call rape though. Especially when both are beyond hammered. 

[BeachGuy23 642]

Just now, League Champion said:

There's nothing unsexier than a sloppy drunk skank. Being in the Military I've seen and done most everything possible but sloppy skeezers wasn't my thing. 

Most guys I knew would F anything that moves, nothing that I would call rape though. Especially when both are beyond hammered. 

Look here, you have at least one redeeming characteristic!

I set the over/under at .5 and heavily bet the under.

[supermike80 1,804]

14 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said:

How do you know this "didn't happen" where you grew up?

The entire premise is that back in the day women didn't have near the support they have now and many kept it quiet.

You're making a lot of assumptions based on the behavior of you and a few dudes you know.  Neither I nor my friends would engage in this behavior but if you think I believe no dudes a school did you're very much mistaken.  Much much different back then.  How do you think the casting couch concept came to be?

All i can speak to is what i know.  And thats all i am doing here.

Worms was the one that said his friends were rapey

[supermike80 1,804]

23 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

Wait, are you saying it was common to have friends that would try and fock a drunk girl in a pool? Where others were okay with it and would egg them on? And none of their (your) friends would tell them to stop or that it wasn't cool to do that? 

Am I reading this right? 

 

Yes. And thats why we have the #metoo movement now i guess

Crazy

[BeachGuy23 642]

1 minute ago, supermike80 said:

All i can speak to is what i know.  And thats all i am doing here.

Worms was the one that said his friends were rapey

Ah ok, I thought you were implying that it never happened in your community which you would not have complete knowledge of.  Your friend group, sure that's something you would definitely be able to speak to.  And agree that me and my friends would have smacked around any of us who even suggested this kind of garbage, but lots and lots of boys in high school and college.  

Alcohol plus young boys and girls is a potentially extremely bad combination for girls.  It must suck to have to navigate that landscape as a gal.

[MDC 7,130]

28 minutes ago, Reality said:

Not sure how I missed this, she downplayed the mass rape of Israeli women. Disgusting comments, anybody who agrees with anything she had to say is a piece of shlt.

After reading more of your comments in this thread, I'm beginning to understand your position, sadly.

I thought she acquitted herself pretty well. She condemned rape as an act of war and also the murder of thousands of Palestinians. 

I’d ask how that is downplaying the rape of Israeli women, but instead of answering the question you’ll prolly call me a POS too.  

 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,835]

 

2 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

Nice try sh1tbag, but that’s not what I said

That's exactly what you said, you disgusting POS.  Unbelievable.  I can't believe you admitted to it.  

[Bill E. 703]

On 12/3/2023 at 12:13 PM, Reality said:

Elected official.

Yep i was going to post about how people on the left have completely ignored this when it comes to Hamas torture and rape in Israel.  Sad and sick at the same time. 

[Reality 3,097]

15 minutes ago, MDC said:

I thought she acquitted herself pretty well. She condemned rape as an act of war and also the murder of thousands of Palestinians. 

I’d ask how that is downplaying the rape of Israeli women, but instead of answering the question you’ll prolly call me a POS too.  

 

She's getting obliterated online, rightfully so, by folks of all political ideologies.

I'll just say, I'm not surprised by your comments.

[MDC 7,130]

Just now, Reality said:

She's getting obliterated online, rightfully so, by folks of all political ideologies.

I'll just say, I'm not surprised by your comments.

I’m not surprised you dodged my question.   

[Hardcore troubadour 14,934]

6 minutes ago, MDC said:

I’m not surprised you dodged my question.   

I’ll answer it. You don’t say rape is bad and I condemn it , but….   No buts. Get it now dumbass?