University presidents won’t condemn antisemitism

[BuckSwope 654]

6 minutes ago, RLLD said:

This at the very least.  But where it arises that leftists are impacted....have to carry soime weight.....live under the umbrella of their creation.....we do not see adherence as they demand it.

As people are cheering it on from the right, look at what their policy changed to. Really read it and think about it.  Sorry, it's worse and it's going to come back even more soon when Jews aren't the wronged group of the moment.  

My position you don't have to and shouldn't act like they do.  That's how the race to the bottom gains speed.  Stop cheering this on, or at the very least stop acting as though you are against it when another BLM pops up.  

[RLLD 4,230]

7 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

As people are cheering it on from the right, look at what their policy changed to. Really read it and think about it.  Sorry, it's worse and it's going to come back even more soon when Jews aren't the wronged group of the moment.  

My position you don't have to and shouldn't act like they do.  That's how the race to the bottom gains speed.  Stop cheering this on, or at the very least stop acting as though you are against it when another BLM pops up.  

I cheer nothing about this.  Our Universities are producing graduates who cannot think, not critically, and they lack philosophical integrity as a result.  We see this manifest in many areas, and it should not be celebrated, it is lamentable.

I do not see any way to fix this. This is a few generations indoctrinated in what to think, with no skill in how to think. So we see ineffectual leaders applying ruinous policy with no regard to consequences.  And where consequences arise, liberals do not believe they should be subject to them, its someone elses fault.....

[Tree of Knowledge 1,855]

9 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

As people are cheering it on from the right, look at what their policy changed to. Really read it and think about it.  Sorry, it's worse and it's going to come back even more soon when Jews aren't the wronged group of the moment.  

My position you don't have to and shouldn't act like they do.  That's how the race to the bottom gains speed.  Stop cheering this on, or at the very least stop acting as though you are against it when another BLM pops up.  

So basically keep playing the chump. The people they empower and use the leftist stormtroopers are never going to be the voice of reason 

[BuckSwope 654]

7 minutes ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

So basically keep playing the chump. The people they empower and use the leftist stormtroopers are never going to be the voice of reason 

Wtf did I say that?  It's telling that you all can't think of any other ways to address this besides act like the same obnoxious snowflakes they were.  

[jerryskids 6,797]

1 hour ago, BuckSwope said:

Sound familiar righties?

1. Demand an apology and/or change in terms and policies. 

2.  Still not enough so firings are in order. 

3.  Complaints of things like speech, walking past posters, etc are making you feel unsafe. 

 

I could go on. All the stuff you supposedly hate with BLM and trans people among others on full display here and you are nodding in agreement now that it aligns with something you agree with.  

Seems like you aren't aware of what actually happened, on MIT's campus anyway, and instead are regurgitating the points you read on Kos or a similar Leftist site.  The protests there went beyond peaceful speech and extended into physical restrictions and reasonable fear of physical actions, as well as disruption of education and targeting of individuals, all of which violated the institute's rules on such speech.  I've posted about this, perhaps you missed it?  Anyway, that requires not so much a change of policy but instead an enforcement of existing policy.

It's funny, as a centrist you sit here 24/7 disparaging the Right, but then when you perceive a "what's good for the goose..." event, you call for the Right to take the high road.  Why would you expect this, when you clearly think so little of people on the Right?

[jerryskids 6,797]

12 hours ago, BuckSwope said:

Yes, in your scenario I am in your camp, but for me the bolded is the biggest piece of the puzzle, and evidence to my position that neither party truly cares about the issue because that is what is left to fester as they just battle over the rate of flow across the border.     My solutions would include a reasonable limit on a number of people allowed combined with a complete overhaul of the asylum system and a way to catch up on the 4 year backlog of cases.       I've said many times that there is too much $ to be made having the border the way it is from both sides of the aisle, so all of that is not a bug of the system.    Cheap labor in some of the biggest industries in the country combined with companies profiting both on the incarceration of and the transportation out of the country of illegals?   Any politician successful in "shutting down" the border in a way that you or I would want would immediately lose the backing of just about any big lobby you can think of.  And they all know it, so they just fight about walls that will never get built and don't do anything of substance.  

I agree that neither side of the establishment parties wants to resolve the issue, much like abortion and others.  That's a big reason the establishment on both sides hates Trump -- he didn't get this memo, or if he did, he doesn't care.

I will add as a general comment, not to you specifically:  we seem to have lost sight of what "asylum" means.  IMO it should be a relatively rare occurrence, like for the family of a politician who was overthrown in a coup.  It seems to have turned into "my country is a sh!thole so I want asylum."  

[The Real timschochet 6,763]

17 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Seems like you aren't aware of what actually happened, on MIT's campus anyway, and instead are regurgitating the points you read on Kos or a similar Leftist site.  The protests there went beyond peaceful speech and extended into physical restrictions and reasonable fear of physical actions, as well as disruption of education and targeting of individuals, all of which violated the institute's rules on such speech.  I've posted about this, perhaps you missed it?  Anyway, that requires not so much a change of policy but instead an enforcement of existing policy.

It's funny, as a centrist you sit here 24/7 disparaging the Right, but then when you perceive a "what's good for the goose..." event, you call for the Right to take the high road.  Why would you expect this, when you clearly think so little of people on the Right?

Was there a call for the mass murder of Jews? Because that seems to be the claim but I can’t find any evidence of it. Also what individuals were targeted? I haven’t read about that. 

[jerryskids 6,797]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Was there a call for the mass murder of Jews? Because that seems to be the claim but I can’t find any evidence of it. Also what individuals were targeted? I haven’t read about that. 

It's fascinating how you respond to my post as if you read almost none of it.  Where from my post did I talk about calling for the mass murder of Jews? 

On your last part, to my knowledge the names and details were not released.

[jerryskids 6,797]

This mass murder thing is kinda funny though.

The Left:  Sure, Trump didn't actually call for the Capitol to be attacked, but he wanted people to do it, we just know it.

Also The Left:  Sure, people are calling for a violent uprising (intifada) to overtake all of Israel (from the river to the sea), but that doesn't mean they want to kill the Jews, they just want to peacefully relo them after they violently push through the entire country.   

[BuckSwope 654]

41 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Seems like you aren't aware of what actually happened, on MIT's campus anyway, and instead are regurgitating the points you read on Kos or a similar Leftist site.  The protests there went beyond peaceful speech and extended into physical restrictions and reasonable fear of physical actions, as well as disruption of education and targeting of individuals, all of which violated the institute's rules on such speech.  I've posted about this, perhaps you missed it?  Anyway, that requires not so much a change of policy but instead an enforcement of existing policy.

It's funny, as a centrist you sit here 24/7 disparaging the Right, but then when you perceive a "what's good for the goose..." event, you call for the Right to take the high road.  Why would you expect this, when you clearly think so little of people on the Right?

Jerry, you are better than this.  Do you really think I am talking about actual violence against students and enforcement of a policy like that?  If so, maybe reread some of my posts.  

[RLLD 4,230]

The current pursuit of liberals is the intimidation stage, as implemented by the Nazi's, as it pertains to Jews.  Hitler and the Nazi regime used simple and extra-legal terror to intimidate Jews. Nazi paramilitary formations, such as the Storm Detachments (Sturmabteilungen or SA, more commonly known as Storm Troopers) and the Protection Squads (Schutzstaffel or SS), had been established during the 1920s to terrorize political opponents and to protect Nazi leaders. We can see clearly the correlation to the  University students, and others in this nation. After the Nazis came to power, many members of these units were recruited as auxiliary policemen. They were allowed to arbitrarily beat or kill persons they deemed to be opponents. In addition, Nazi Party faithful assaulted those they perceived to be enemies of the regime—in individual spontaneous acts of violence or in locally organized waves of persecution.

None of this is new.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,430]

They don’t call him Buck Dope for nothing. 

[MDC 7,425]

We have Hitler!  

[RLLD 4,230]

16 minutes ago, MDC said:

We have Hitler!  

Yeah, well....uhhhh....apparently....Hitler was the last guy and the Nazis were the last group to ......slaughter Jews....so......yeah....gonna make reference to the last ones.

[The Real timschochet 6,763]

1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

This mass murder thing is kinda funny though.

The Left:  Sure, Trump didn't actually call for the Capitol to be attacked, but he wanted people to do it, we just know it.

Also The Left:  Sure, people are calling for a violent uprising (intifada) to overtake all of Israel (from the river to the sea), but that doesn't mean they want to kill the Jews, they just want to peacefully relo them after they violently push through the entire country.   

I have the same problem with both to be honest with you. The Jan 6 trial is going to have to prove that Trump incited that attack. I’ve never been convinced. It will depend, not on what he said that day at the Ellipse, but on what he said to Mark Meadows and did privately. 

[MDC 7,425]

24 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Yeah, well....uhhhh....apparently....Hitler was the last guy and the Nazis were the last group to ......slaughter Jews....so......yeah....gonna make reference to the last ones.

A very sane and Hitlerific take as usual Clifford.  

[RLLD 4,230]

2 minutes ago, MDC said:

A very sane and Hitlerific take as usual Clifford.  

Sure....of course....now that you have gotten the little passive aggressiveness out of your system, maybe you have a thought that is yours...which you did not just grab and run with.   I wont hold my breath....

[BuckSwope 654]

How about if we try again, @jerryskids? 

It was stupid that the left redefines terms like racism or woman.  We now see that in the last week or so now "antisemitism" includes critics of Isreal the country.  I think that is also stupid and should stop.  Do you agree? 

I hated this trend we saw from the left when stuff happened in employers and schools: demand an apology, demand they use the proper words, call for jobs, etc.   To be that is core behavior of cancel culture, and opposite of the exchange of ideas we should encourage.  We now see this from the right on this topic. Do you agree? 

[RLLD 4,230]

12 minutes ago, BuckSwope said:

How about if we try again, @jerryskids? 

It was stupid that the left redefines terms like racism or woman.  We now see that in the last week or so now "antisemitism" includes critics of Isreal the country.  I think that is also stupid and should stop.  Do you agree? 

I hated this trend we saw from the left when stuff happened in employers and schools: demand an apology, demand they use the proper words, call for jobs, etc.   To be that is core behavior of cancel culture, and opposite of the exchange of ideas we should encourage.  We now see this from the right on this topic. Do you agree? 

100% agree. I hate it when the left does it, and I am even more mad when the right does it.  This nonsense just needs to stop.

I am gratified to read that there are those who now object as well.  I wonder....do the folks who have been steadily doing this to others now see how their behaviors are sh!t

[TBayXXXVII 2,545]

On 12/10/2023 at 2:12 PM, The Real timschochet said:

Except that you’re misapplying it. Let me show you how: 

1. Criticizing transgenederism doesn’t make you a homophobe, but if you spend a lot of your time obsessing about this issue like it’s one of the most important problems that our society faces, chances are you’re homophobic. 

2. Criticizing Muslims doesn’t make you an Islamophobe, but when you group them together and propose restrictive laws or immigration restrictions based on the religion of Islam then chances are you’re an Islamophobe. 

3. Criticizing historically disenfranchised groups doesn’t make you a racist, but when you start using skin color as a qualifier for negative behavior, chances are you are a racist. 
 

See the difference? 

Gotta love it.  LOL... you make it so that you can virtue signal and no one can debate you.  That right there, is Liberal Logic 101.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,430]

Sometimes you deserve to be canceled.  

[IGotWorms 4,058]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

Sometimes you deserve to be canceled.  

Trying a new tack?

At least this one is true, that is what you think. Cancel culture is just fine — as long as you get to do the canceling

[Hardcore troubadour 15,430]

Just now, IGotWorms said:

Trying a new tack?

At least this one is true, that is what you think. Cancel culture is just fine — as long as you get to do the canceling

Depends what it’s for. Disagree? 

[TBayXXXVII 2,545]

On 12/10/2023 at 2:23 PM, RLLD said:

You might not be as liberal as you think….

He's so far left, the next turn he makes is communism.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Depends what it’s for. Disagree? 

Yeah I do disagree. I never really cared for cancel culture no matter who was executing it.

[jerryskids 6,797]

1 hour ago, BuckSwope said:

How about if we try again, @jerryskids? 

It was stupid that the left redefines terms like racism or woman.  We now see that in the last week or so now "antisemitism" includes critics of Isreal the country.  I think that is also stupid and should stop.  Do you agree? 

I hated this trend we saw from the left when stuff happened in employers and schools: demand an apology, demand they use the proper words, call for jobs, etc.   To be that is core behavior of cancel culture, and opposite of the exchange of ideas we should encourage.  We now see this from the right on this topic. Do you agree? 

I don't think criticism of Israel's behavior during this war, or its behavior in general, constitutes antisemitism.  

I think criticism of Israel's existence as a country is pretty darn close to antisemitism, somewhat of a distinction without a difference.

If you meant the former, then yeah, I agree.

I'll get your response before I address your second question.

[TBayXXXVII 2,545]

On 12/11/2023 at 11:05 AM, Engorgeous George said:

The marketplace of ideas is a savage and brutal land.  The weak, the sensitive do not do well in that gladitorial pit.  Universities once welcomed the exchange of ideas.  They wanted ideas to stand scrutiny in the full light of day. They wanted some to be nourished and others to wither under the noon day sun of scrutiny.   Then universities decided to indoctrinate as opposed to educate.  They came up with speech codes.  They chose to go beyond banning and punishing that very limited class of prohibited speech which was exhortations of immediate violence.  They also tried to blur the very definitions of "immediate" and "violence".  They blurred all parameters and now they are paying a long overdue price.  The monster they birthed has now turned on its creator.

Universities now, essentially, insist on loyalty oaths to the orthodoxy to become accredited by them.  How sad.

Exactly this.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,430]

13 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Yeah I do disagree. I never really cared for Vance culture no matter who was executing it.

Haven’t heard you complain until now. Maybe I missed it. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,430]

14 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Yeah I do disagree. I never really cared for Vance culture no matter who was executing it.

Roseanne got canceled. None of you leftists said a word. So pardon me if I take your views on the subject with a shaker of salt.  

[jerryskids 6,797]

Just saw this.  An example of "free speech" at MIT last week.

https://x.com/TaliaKhan_MIT/status/1732505063648563395?s=20

 

[Baker Boy 1,699]

4 hours ago, RLLD said:

I cheer nothing about this.  Our Universities are producing graduates who cannot think, not critically, and they lack philosophical integrity as a result.  We see this manifest in many areas, and it should not be celebrated, it is lamentable.

I do not see any way to fix this. This is a few generations indoctrinated in what to think, with no skill in how to think. So we see ineffectual leaders applying ruinous policy with no regard to consequences.  And where consequences arise, liberals do not believe they should be subject to them, its someone elses fault.....

The danger is that they see themselves as the smartest people on the planet.

[jerryskids 6,797]

And this, which apparently was testimony in front of congress.  

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C0hfY3QvS4b/

 

[IGotWorms 4,058]

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Haven’t heard you complain until now. Maybe I missed it. 

I’m sure you did miss it. A couple years ago when this was a bigger thing, I said it was politically a terrible idea and I had issues with people not receiving due process. Plus I think people should have a chance to apologize and change their ways 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,430]

15 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

I’m sure you did miss it. A couple years ago when this was a bigger thing, I said it was politically a terrible idea and I had issues with people not receiving due process. Plus I think people should have a chance to apologize and change their ways 

10-4.  

[BuckSwope 654]

4 hours ago, RLLD said:

100% agree. I hate it when the left does it, and I am even more mad when the right does it.  This nonsense just needs to stop.

I am gratified to read that there are those who now object as well.  I wonder....do the folks who have been steadily doing this to others now see how their behaviors are sh!t

I've always objected, so that's not new for me either.  

I would guess no to the last part.  Just going to see more and more of this it seems.  

[Stryker Ryker 188]

Wow. Retards here who claim they’re “centrists” do nothing but talk sh1t about the right while also defending the left on EVERY issue doesn’t seem to be very centrist of them. In fact, it screams typical left cultist hypocrisy. If people on the left could ACTUALLY have a civil discussion then things wouldn’t be so bad. But they’re incapable of doing that. Mostly because they have no idea what they’re doing or talking about. They just immediately regurgitate whatever talking points or buzzwords they’ve heard from their slave masters 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,102]

11 minutes ago, Stryker Ryker said:

Wow. Retards here who claim they’re “centrists” do nothing but talk sh1t about the right while also defending the left on EVERY issue doesn’t seem to be very centrist of them. In fact, it screams typical left cultist hypocrisy. If people on the left could ACTUALLY have a civil discussion then things wouldn’t be so bad. But they’re incapable of doing that. Mostly because they have no idea what they’re doing or talking about. They just immediately regurgitate whatever talking points or buzzwords they’ve heard from their slave masters 

Well, yeah, because they're not centrists.  It's the word they use to try and fool others into thinking they're fair and balanced.  They aren't, they are just liberals in disguise, but that's par for the course for the GC Centrist™.

[IGotWorms 4,058]

6 minutes ago, Stryker Ryker said:

Wow. Retards here who claim they’re “centrists” do nothing but talk sh1t about the right while also defending the left on EVERY issue doesn’t seem to be very centrist of them. In fact, it screams typical left cultist hypocrisy. If people on the left could ACTUALLY have a civil discussion then things wouldn’t be so bad. But they’re incapable of doing that. Mostly because they have no idea what they’re doing or talking about. They just immediately regurgitate whatever talking points or buzzwords they’ve heard from their slave masters 

What’re you going on about? I think pretty much everyone here agrees the university presidents’ answers were stupid and that the one lady got fired over it

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,102]

Just now, IGotWorms said:

What’re you going on about? I think pretty much everyone here agrees the university presidents’ answers were stupid and that the one lady got fired over it

^^^^^ GC Centrist™ ^^^^^

[Hardcore troubadour 15,430]

5 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Well, yeah, because they're not centrists.  It's the word they use to try and fool others into thinking they're fair and balanced.  They aren't, their just liberals in disguise, but that's par for the course for the GC Centrist™.

I call them squishy twats.