Biden should deal with the border issue, but he’ll win anyhow.

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7 hours ago, Voltaire said:

Tim owns up to typing this and regrets doing so. He recognizes that its the worst things he's ever posted, that even the parsing of words explanations he gave at the time as he tried to patch over the topic were also inadequate and did not go far enough, he does not stand by those sentiments either, now disagrees with everything he'd typed, and knows he stepped in it. He dug his hole deeper when two things that he didn't know at first came to light as the story developed. One is that it turned out that Polanski had known all along that the girl was 13, he just didn't care. The other is that Polanski had drugged her.

Tim says he disavows all comments he'd made on the topic and has also apologized publicly.

Did he also say that those salient facts were pointed out to him a dozen times, and linked for him a dozen times in case he did not believe the posters, and he steradfastly refused to educate himself until such time as everyone of his supporters abandoned him, leaving him no ground upon which to stand, at which time did he then only care to read the material always available to him and then to sheepishly change his stance?  Did he admit that he should never have insisted he knew the truth and that those with the actual truth were wrong and fools before he changed his mind when he had no leg on which to stand?  Did he then tell you he was self-congratulatory for his open mind, for his willingness to be educated, for admitting his mistake when he did so only to save face and then to go on having learned nothing from the incident, contining even now to insist on his positions as absolute established fact as opposed to opinion never stated as opinion?

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10 hours ago, Voltaire said:

The original thread would be ideal. Apparently, he's sick of explaining things as he has done it many times... just not here, that I am aware of.

For the record, thus far, neither sent me anything privately. I presume the search function over there sucks as much as it does over here.

 

The search function is great. That's why it's so easy to prove he's a pathological liar. You don't even need to have an account to use it either so you could find it yourself if you're so invested. 

Believe it or not I don't sit here glued to the forum, I've got plenty going on, but I'll find the meat of it for you later. 

8 hours ago, Voltaire said:

Tim owns up to typing this and regrets doing so. He recognizes that its the worst things he's ever posted, that even the parsing of words explanations he gave at the time as he tried to patch over the topic were also inadequate and did not go far enough, he does not stand by those sentiments either, now disagrees with everything he'd typed, and knows he stepped in it. He dug his hole deeper when two things that he didn't know at first came to light as the story developed. One is that it turned out that Polanski had known all along that the girl was 13, he just didn't care. The other is that Polanski had drugged her.

Tim says he disavows all comments he'd made on the topic and has also apologized publicly.

Did he also include the part about pretending he was making the argument for someone else, "not necessarily me", after owning up it?   

Like I said, pathological.  

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Several months back, I made a similar argument to Chris Rock when I was trying to explain why some people (not necessarily me) believed that what Roman Polanski did to a 12 year old girl was not worth the condemnation it received.

 

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9 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

Did he also say that those salient facts were pointed out to him a dozen times, and linked for him a dozen times in case he did not believe the posters, and he steradfastly refused to educate himself until such time as everyone of his supporters abandoned him, leaving him no ground upon which to stand, at which time did he then only care to read the material always available to him and then to sheepishly change his stance?  Did he admit that he should never have insisted he knew the truth and that those with the actual truth were wrong and fools before he changed his mind when he had no leg on which to stand?  Did he then tell you he was self-congratulatory for his open mind, for his willingness to be educated, for admitting his mistake when he did so only to save face and then to go on having learned nothing from the incident, contining even now to insist on his positions as absolute established fact as opposed to opinion never stated as opinion?

FTR I didn’t say any of that to him because most of it is a characterization that I don’t share. I certainly was NOT self-congratulatory when I publicly apologized; it was a shameful moment for me. 

I made some dumb comments a dozen years ago for which I apologized for. I’m not a pedophile; I don’t support or tolerate pedophilia. I don’t support or tolerate what Roman Polanski did. His behavior was disgusting and criminal and I was wrong and ignorant to argue otherwise. 

That’s the end of it for me; actually that was the end of ten years ago or longer (I can’t remember when I first apologized for this.) That certain people keep bringing this up over and over incessantly, that they label  me a pedo, At this point says, IMO,  more about them than it does about me. But I can’t control what others think. 

 

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2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

FTR I didn’t say any of that to him because most of it is a characterization that I don’t share. I certainly was NOT self-congratulatory when I publicly apologized; it was a shameful moment for me. 

I made some dumb comments a dozen years ago for which I apologized for. I’m not a pedophile; I don’t support or tolerate pedophilia. I don’t support or tolerate what Roman Polanski did. His behavior was disgusting and criminal and I was wrong and ignorant to argue otherwise. 

That’s the end of it for me; actually that was the end of ten years ago or longer (I can’t remember when I first apologized for this.) That certain people keep bringing this up over and over incessantly, that they label  me a pedo, At this point says, IMO,  more about them than it does about me. But I can’t control what others think. 

 

Because pedo's never change.  That's why some states have actually passed laws allowing pedos to continue to be incarcerated after the end of their prison terms if they're deemed a risk to children.  So you publicly disavowing your obvious belief in pedophilia due to peer pressure isn't compelling to me.  I KNOW what you are inside. 

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5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

FTR I didn’t say any of that to him because most of it is a characterization that I don’t share. I certainly was NOT self-congratulatory when I publicly apologized; it was a shameful moment for me. 

I made some dumb comments a dozen years ago for which I apologized for. I’m not a pedophile; I don’t support or tolerate pedophilia. I don’t support or tolerate what Roman Polanski did. His behavior was disgusting and criminal and I was wrong and ignorant to argue otherwise. 

That’s the end of it for me; actually that was the end of ten years ago or longer (I can’t remember when I first apologized for this.) That certain people keep bringing this up over and over incessantly, that they label  me a pedo, At this point says, IMO,  more about them than it does about me. But I can’t control what others think. 

 

You are disgusting. Go away.

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1 hour ago, Strike said:

Absolutely.  But he'd just create an alias like he did at FBG's when he was suspended.

Yeah I better not see Winston Churchill posting here

[Engorgeous George 2,176]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

FTR I didn’t say any of that to him because most of it is a characterization that I don’t share. I certainly was NOT self-congratulatory when I publicly apologized; it was a shameful moment for me. 

I made some dumb comments a dozen years ago for which I apologized for. I’m not a pedophile; I don’t support or tolerate pedophilia. I don’t support or tolerate what Roman Polanski did. His behavior was disgusting and criminal and I was wrong and ignorant to argue otherwise. 

That’s the end of it for me; actually that was the end of ten years ago or longer (I can’t remember when I first apologized for this.) That certain people keep bringing this up over and over incessantly, that they label  me a pedo, At this point says, IMO,  more about them than it does about me. But I can’t control what others think. 

 

Me personally, I don't think you a pedophile.  I think of you as a jackass.  I think of you as someone who asserts as truth and fact matters which are far from it.  I am disappointed in you constantly as to me you have the intelligence and the acumen to discern the truth but you are so partisan in your thinking that you obfuscate the truth and you do so so relentlessly and ubiquitously that you need to be countered. 

 

You may notice that though my politics tends to the right I have no problem criticizing the right ( a rich area for criticism given the current political climate and the current standard bearers for the right) and I am friends with many to the left as they have humor, perspective, and can be conversed with.  You, not so much.  Even when you cede points long after they should be ceded, you return to defending them days, weeks and months later as if you ceded them insincerely.  You say you are open to discussion and reason, but you are not, you do not grow, change, or re-evaluate.  You also ascribe base, disgusting motives to many who disagree with you.  Now sometimes that is to trolls and actual racists, but you play that card far too often for my taste and to those who have not earned it doing so to cut off tghe discussion you always say you are here for.

 

Still, as you say, who cares what i think, certainly not you.  That is fine.  I don't think you will change due to anything i write.  I write it not for you, but for others who read you which is nearly impossible to not do if they read this site as you are all over it.  

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33 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

Me personally, I don't think you a pedophile.  I think of you as a jackass.  I think of you as someone who asserts as truth and fact matters which are far from it.  I am disappointed in you constantly as to me you have the intelligence and the acumen to discern the truth but you are so partisan in your thinking that you obfuscate the truth and you do so so relentlessly and ubiquitously that you need to be countered. 

 

You may notice that though my politics tends to the right I have no problem criticizing the right ( a rich area for criticism given the current political climate and the current standard bearers for the right) and I am friends with many to the left as they have humor, perspective, and can be conversed with.  You, not so much.  Even when you cede points long after they should be ceded, you return to defending them days, weeks and months later as if you ceded them insincerely.  You say you are open to discussion and reason, but you are not, you do not grow, change, or re-evaluate.  You also ascribe base, disgusting motives to many who disagree with you.  Now sometimes that is to trolls and actual racists, but you play that card far too often for my taste and to those who have not earned it doing so to cut off tghe discussion you always say you are here for.

 

Still, as you say, who cares what i think, certainly not you.  That is fine.  I don't think you will change due to anything i write.  I write it not for you, but for others who read you which is nearly impossible to not do if they read this site as you are all over it.  

I didn’t say I didn’t care what you think. I said I can’t help what you think. Slight difference but important. 

I already knew what you thought of me. could tell it in your various offhand comments and responses to my posts. I don’t agree with your representation but that will come as no shock to you. A lot of what you wrote is true of me…SOMETIMES. Sometimes I claim objectivity when my position really is subjective. Sometimes I defend points I shouldn’t. Sometimes I am, unfortunately not open to discussion. Sometimes I am rude and ascribe unfair motives. I am guilty of all of it sometimes. But not all the time. I would argue not most of the time but again that is a subjective view. What I CAN tell you which is NOT subjective: I TRY not to be any of those things. Sometimes I don’t try hard enough I guess, but I do try. 

As for you I think you are a very smart guy, but overly judgmental, and like so many other smart conservatives too defensive over liberal labels : you take such great umbrage that certain conservative ideas and practices might be called racist or bigoted by liberals that you defend those practices too much. You can also be caustic, rude and extremely patronizing. But again not all of the time. I do enjoy your cultural tastes (what you reveal of them) and sense of humor; these are actually kind of similar to my own I think. 

My biggest criticism of you is that you often provide intellectual cover for those here who don’t deserve it. 

Perhaps in time you will change your assessment of me. Perhaps I will change my own behavior in your eyes to give you cause to do so. Perhaps vice- versa. Or perhaps none of this will happen and our future interactions will only confirm for you that I am a jackass and confirm for me that you are, well, what I wrote. We’ll see. Have a great Sunday. 

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@Voltaire

 https://forums.footballguys.com/threads/an-open-letter-from-dylan-farrow-regarding-woody-allen.703587/post-16488873

One of my favorites- having sex with a 7 year old is a life sentence. If she's 13 just a couple of years.  

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Wow?I believe that if Woody Allen had sex with a 7 year old, he ought to spend the rest of his sorry life in prison- and if he were a younger man, a minimum of 20 years. And I would NEVER forgive him if I knew him. Polanski deserves to spend a couple of years behind bars, perhaps longer for trying to avoid it. And eventually I could forgive him. Do you really not see any moral distinction?

 

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Oh my, this is some awfully cringe, skin crawling stuff. 

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If its rape, then you're correct. Do you see any difference between rape with a 7 year old and statutory rape with a 13 year old?

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I seem to have hit a nerve, and if so I apologize. I really do believe there is a distinction to be made here. I have made the same point in other threads on the same topic. It's an unpleasant topic, but of we're going to have an honest discussion about it, there really is a difference between these types of acts.

Hitting a nerve was the entire goal of this psychopath. 

Posts this

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I didn't make this about me. I'm sorry for that too. Stepping away from this thread for a good long while...probably forever.

Then keeps posting until a Mod suggetss:

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Tim, you should probably consider posting a little less and thinking a bit more about what you're saying.

This is right. I will be posting here much less in the future.

A quarter of a million posts later.

This is why Joe was afraid of Tim's mental health if he were ever to ban him even though Tim goes on to say a bunch of women hating things like all Trump women are ugly and disgusting. He's not fully mentally in control of his actions and has some serious issues with females.  

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10 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Oh my, this is some awfully cringe, skin crawling stuff. 

You didn't answer my question.

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3 minutes ago, Horseman said:

Hitting a nerve was the entire goal of this psychopath. 

Posts this

Then keeps posting until a Mod suggetss:

A quarter of a million posts later.

This is why Joe was afraid of Tim's mental health if he were ever to ban him even though Tim goes on to say a bunch of women hating things like all Trump women are ugly and disgusting. He's not fully mentally in control of his actions and has some serious issues with females.  

Tim guy is absolutely sick.