Hoodie Out

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4 minutes ago, edjr said:

Didn't Belichick pass on Brady 5 times?

you try to hard to be a boston team contrarian. BB drafted him, and helped shape him into the GOAT QB. They both deserve the credit. IMO, more likely BB wins titles without Brady than vice versa. 

[IGotWorms 4,058]

End of an era

But probably a good move. He’s likely a little out of touch now and clearly cannot build an offense without Tom Brady.

Here’s hoping they make the right choice for a replacement! Mayo is intriguing. Vrabel would probably be a good choice though Tennessee never quite got over the hump

[IGotWorms 4,058]

5 hours ago, MDC said:

They’re talking about BB as a potential replacement if Sirianni gets fired. He’s 25-38 in the 4 years since Brady left and 71 years old. Are all fanbases this stupid?

If he lands somewhere with a good QB and good offense — watch out.

Still a world class coach on D. It’s offense and GM that has hurt him. But he could take a bad or mediocre defense and make it magnitudes better

[edjr 6,586]

18 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

 But he didn’t the sixth time. He gets no credit? He also drafted Gronk. And a few other players that left the pats for big money. He did some things right. Just not recently.  

Oh he gets a ton of credit. He is still the GOAT HC, but he didn't do it alone. 

Benching Butler for the SB, was something I can't ever forgive him for.  That was one of the few things. We were lucky to have him.

Patriots won't be back in the Super Bowl, maybe never again in my lifetime. 

[edjr 6,586]

19 minutes ago, Herbivore said:

you try to hard to be a boston team contrarian. BB drafted him, and helped shape him into the GOAT QB. They both deserve the credit.

100% 

[Mike Honcho 5,270]

23 minutes ago, Herbivore said:

you try to hard to be a boston team contrarian. BB drafted him, and helped shape him into the GOAT QB. They both deserve the credit. IMO, more likely BB wins titles without Brady than vice versa. 

Hey, he's going easy on BB compared to what he said about Theo Epstein.  

[edjr 6,586]

3 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

Hey, he's going easy on BB compared to what he said about Theo Epstein.  

Good memory. 

[Herbivore 1,134]

13 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

Hey, he's going easy on BB compared to what he said about Theo Epstein.  

I dont know what he said, but Theo got too much credit back then. Duquette deserved some.

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44 minutes ago, Herbivore said:

you try to hard to be a boston team contrarian. BB drafted him, and helped shape him into the GOAT QB. They both deserve the credit. IMO, more likely BB wins titles without Brady than vice versa. 

Weird since Brady won one without him. Face it his record without Brady is god awful. 

[Herbivore 1,134]

Just now, Dizkneelande said:

Weird since Brady won one without him. Face it his record without Brady is god awful. 

No, its not. His time in Cleveland is misrepresented by knobs like you. He took over a 3-13 team, went 6-10, 7-9,7-9, cut Kosar, put in Vinny, and they went 11-5 for the wild card behind Pitt, beat the Pats in Foxboro, and then the next year as they were off to a good start, Modell announces move to Baltimore and the season tanks. Nice twist, BB joins the Pats the next year as DC, and what do you know, they go to the Superbowl. 

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53 minutes ago, Herbivore said:

you try to hard to be a boston team contrarian. BB drafted him, and helped shape him into the GOAT QB. They both deserve the credit. IMO, more likely BB wins titles without Brady than vice versa.

One of these things happened.

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31 minutes ago, Herbivore said:

I dont know what he said, but Theo got too much credit back then. Duquette deserved some.

Not as much as Joe Torre.  But like BB, the good with him far outweighed the bad. The lesson is don’t hang around in one place too long. 

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1 hour ago, Herbivore said:

you try to hard to be a boston team contrarian. BB drafted him, and helped shape him into the GOAT QB. They both deserve the credit. IMO, more likely BB wins titles without Brady than vice versa. 

Brady won a SB at age 40 without BB.  

Whater we talkin bout here?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,429]

BB is on very good terms with the Maras. I doubt Philly. Maybe Washington.  But I doubt that too. Atlanta is the place for him. Good O-line and skill players, good Defense, shitt division. Just needs a decent QB.  

[edjr 6,586]

11 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

BB is on very good terms with the Maras. I doubt Philly. Maybe Washington.  But I doubt that too. Atlanta is the place for him. Good O-line and skill players, good Defense, shitt division. Just needs a decent QB.  

Brady?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,429]

2 minutes ago, edjr said:

Brady?

I was thinking along the Cousins line. Maybe that backup on Cincy. He looked serviceable.  

[edjr 6,586]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

I was thinking along the Cousins line. Maybe that backup on Cincy. He looked serviceable.  

BB always had a thing for Mayfield

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Just now, edjr said:

BB always had a thing for Mayfield

Ooof. He likes to play hero ball too much.  The Giants do need a defensive coordinator. Lol. 

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29 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Brady won a SB at age 40 without BB.  

Whater we talkin bout here?

Brady joined a cherry situation, replaced a guy that threw 30 picks, and the team still went 7-9. and was able to add Gronk and AB. But you are right, what are we talking about 6 titles as Head Coach, 2 as DC. GOAT.

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15 minutes ago, Herbivore said:

Brady joined a cherry situation, replaced a guy that threw 30 picks, and the team still went 7-9. and was able to add Gronk and AB. But you are right, what are we talking about 6 titles as Head Coach, 2 as DC. GOAT.

Im not knocking BB so you don't have to get defensive.  

We are talking about him as a HC.  

Bill probably would have got one without Brady in those early year.  He never won one as HC without Brady.  Brady won one at age 40 or more without him.  

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51 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

BB is on very good terms with the Maras. I doubt Philly. Maybe Washington.  But I doubt that too. Atlanta is the place for him. Good O-line and skill players, good Defense, shitt division. Just needs a decent QB.  

This was I came to say. 

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7 hours ago, edjr said:

Greatest trade in NFL history. Kraft trades 2 1st rounders for BB HC of NYJ

 Cant believe that was 24 years ago. 

[IGotWorms 4,058]

Chargers are best plug and play for him. Got a QB and weapons. Defense is ungodly bad but he can turn that around day 1.

Atlanta a pretty good option too. No QB a huge minus but, yeah, that division is pathetic.

Commanders more of a rebuild and got a couple heavyweights in the division. But I could see him having a hard on for an NFCE team with a long history. But I think he knows he’s gotta win now to have any shot at the record 

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Bill Belichick ties NFL records for most losses by a head coach

No head coach in NFL history has lost more games than Bill Belichick.

The Patriots’ loss to the Jets on Sunday was the 165th regular-season loss of Belichick’s coaching career. That moves him into a three-way tie with Dan Reeves and Jeff Fisher for the most regular-season losses in NFL history.

Counting the postseason, Belichick has lost 178 games in his head-coaching career. That also ties him for the most ever, with Tom Landry, who also lost 178 games combined between the regular season and the postseason.

 

I agree with @edjr, he's totally overrated.  Biggest loser ever!

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13 minutes ago, TommyGavin said:

This was I came to say. 

I see Harbaugh going to Washington.  Close to his bro, keeps the family closer.  It's a good fit.   

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30 minutes ago, Herbivore said:

Brady joined a cherry situation, replaced a guy that threw 30 picks, and the team still went 7-9. and was able to add Gronk and AB. But you are right, what are we talking about 6 titles as Head Coach, 2 as DC. GOAT.

The more I think about it....what a hilarious post.  

 

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26 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Im not knocking BB so you don't have to get defensive.  

We are talking about him as a HC.  

Bill probably would have got one without Brady in those early year.  He never won one as HC without Brady.  Brady won one at age 40 or more without him.  

who's defensive, we are having a silly sports debate. yes, BB hasn't won a Superbowl as HC without Brady, and yes Brady joined the Bucs and won right away. those are facts. BB as the GOAT is an opinion, one that no one could put a solid argument for a better option. 

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17 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

The more I think about it....what a hilarious post.  

 

what is hilarious here

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Just now, Herbivore said:

who's defensive, we are having a silly sports debate. yes, BB hasn't won a Superbowl as HC without Brady, and yes Brady joined the Bucs and won right away. those are facts. BB as the GOAT is an opinion, one that no one could put a solid argument for a better option. 

I never said he wasn't the GOAT coach....lol.....still defensive. 

Tom walked into a good situation...

Yet BB upon arrival had 3 future HOFers on defense.  And Milloy who was on 2 All Pro teams prior to BB taking over as HC. 

Maybe it was the 3 year stretch where the Pats gave up 32 32 and 35 per game that BB put his QB guru cap on and ran the offense.  None of those were even the highest....2007 was 36.8 per game AGAINST.  

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2 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

 But he didn’t the sixth time. He gets no credit? He also drafted Gronk. And a few other players that left the pats for big money. He did some things right. Just not recently.  

Scott Pioli maybe should get some credit.  Belichick wasn't GM back then was he?

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25 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

I never said he wasn't the GOAT coach....lol.....still defensive. 

Tom walked into a good situation...

Yet BB upon arrival had 3 future HOFers on defense.  And Milloy who was on 2 All Pro teams prior to BB taking over as HC. 

Maybe it was the 3 year stretch where the Pats gave up 32 32 and 35 per game that BB put his QB guru cap on and ran the offense.  None of those were even the highest....2007 was 36.8 per game AGAINST.  

He had 1 Ty Law. Milloy and McGinest were there and very good also. You might be thinking of Seymour, who BB drafted the next year despite all pushing for the Pats to take the WR from Michigan, David Terrell maybe(?). 

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4 minutes ago, Herbivore said:

He had 1 Ty Law. Milloy and McGinest were there and very good also. You might be thinking of Seymour, who BB drafted the next year despite all pushing for the Pats to take the WR from Michigan, David Terrell maybe(?). 

For some odd reason I was thinking Bruschi and McGinest were in.  They are not.  Maybe they have been finalists.   Not sure what I had thought.  But wrong there.  But several established top players on defense.  

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6 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

For some odd reason I was thinking Bruschi and McGinest were in.  They are not.  Maybe they have been finalists.   Not sure what I had thought.  But wrong there.  But several established top players on defense.  

I had to look it up, I thought McGinest might have been in. Pats only have 11 HoFers, and they include Parcells, Moss, Revis. 

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BB has had four HOF players during all that winning.  Moss didn’t win and Revis was one year. And one of them is a kicker that spent longer with another team than he did with NE. Brady and Gronk. That’s about it. Meanwhile the waterboy for the Steelers is in.  

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2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

BB has had four HOF players during all that winning.  Moss didn’t win and Revis was one year. And one of them is a kicker that spent longer with another team than he did with NE. 

Vinatieri isn't in..he probably should be though. 

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3 hours ago, Mike Honcho said:

Hey, he's going easy on BB compared to what he said about Theo Epstein.  

The Sex island guy?

[listen2me 23 1,873]

1 hour ago, listen2me 23 said:

I never said he wasn't the GOAT coach....lol.....still defensive. 

Tom walked into a good situation...

Yet BB upon arrival had 3 future HOFers on defense.  And Milloy who was on 2 All Pro teams prior to BB taking over as HC. 

Maybe it was the 3 year stretch where the Pats gave up 32 32 and 35 per game that BB put his QB guru cap on and ran the offense.  None of those were even the highest....2007 was 36.8 per game AGAINST.  

This was totally wrong.   I look stupid.  Those were not the defensive numbers.  

Point is moot because its incorrect.   But what I was trying to say is they had as many years where they were elite offensively as there were where the defense carried them.  Probably more.  Those early years yes.  After Brady was in thr league a few years it was a ton of offense on those squads.  

BB is thr GOAT coach.  Not trying to say otherwise.   Neither wins close to the amount of SBs without the other.  NE went in the toilet when Brady left and won another ring elsewhere...however.  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,429]

BB made the playoffs with Mac Jones and went 11-5 with Matt Cassell. He’s being overly criticized for two bad years. Brady winning one without him doesn’t help. The BB / Brady Pats  were the greatest show in NFL history, and it’s not close, for 20 years. Think that’s easy to hold together? And the tight  games and high drama in the playoffs are unmatched. All those SB’s, and one clunker. And they won that one. 

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10 hours ago, edjr said:

Vrabel was so mad they traded away AJ brown. I am not sure I want him to have full power, but I do want him as coach

I'd like to see Vrabel as coach, too. I can't believe Mayo is supposedly the favorite. I wouldn't mind Vrabel as HC, and Mayo as DC.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,429]

When BB was the DC for the NYG in 1990 they played the 49’rs twice. They gave up one touchdown in each of those games, both played on the road.  The 1990 Giants defense is the most underrated championship defense of all time. One HOF player. 3 post season games, 3 TD’s.