Details released on bipartisan immigration bill that MAGAturds don't want because it vaporizes a Clownzo campaign issue

[Strike 5,195]

8 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

I’m for it. Border is a problem. This law would give Biden the authority to close it

Biden already has the authority to close it.  Actually, he has an obligation to close it.  He not only chooses not to close it, but he took a slightly ajar door at the beginning of his administration and opened it wide open on his first day on the job.  So, why would any intelligent individual believe that simply giving him MORE control over closing it would mean he would actually close it?  You and RustyTroll can't actually believe he wants to close it.  You both must be trolling, or you're mentally handicapped.  Regardless, no sane conservative or libertarian would blindly trust that this bill would result in an improvement at our border.  If anything, it would make things worse.

[IGotWorms 4,057]

4 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

More accurately, it could potentially force him to do some things he doesn't want to do.

Sure. Either way, helps to address the problem 

[Voltaire 5,202]

1 minute ago, Pimpadeaux said:

I'd like to think it's in the spirit of negotiation, compromise and getting problems solved, but the far right already is yipping, which bigly looks like a panic over having the rug of their biggest campaign issue yanked out from under them. 

That seems transparently ridiculous spin. More likely they were tipped that it doesn't accomplish much/enough and are backing out in hopes of securing more concessions. The only leverage they have to get Biden to agree to lift a finger or to leave Texas alone is withholding funding of his priorities.

[IGotWorms 4,057]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

Biden already has the authority to close it.  Actually, he has an obligation to close it.  He not only chooses not to close it, but he took a slightly ajar door at the beginning of his administration and opened it wide open on his first day on the job.  So, why would any intelligent individual believe that simply giving him MORE control over closing it would mean he would actually close it?  You and RustyTroll can't actually believe he wants to close it.  You both must be trolling, or you're mentally handicapped.  Regardless, no sane conservative or libertarian would blindly trust that this bill would result in an improvement at our border.  If anything, it would make things worse.

This is a dumb argument. We don’t want to give him the authority to do this because we think he already has it?

Bottom line you don’t want it passed because it takes away a talking point in the election 

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1 minute ago, IGotWorms said:

This is a dumb argument. We don’t want to give him the authority to do this because we think he already has it?

Bottom line you don’t want it passed because it takes away a talking point in the election 

You don't think Biden has the authority to close/enforce the border? 

[Gepetto 1,289]

From this bill: 

how much money will go to Ukraine? Will it be in the form of cash or weapons or both?

how much money will go to secure the southern border?

[Hardcore troubadour 14,940]

15 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

This is a dumb argument. We don’t want to give him the authority to do this because we think he already has it?

Bottom line you don’t want it passed because it takes away a talking point in the election 

So, he doesn’t have the authority to not give the NGO’s that are facilitating the movement of these people over the border and throughout the country? Do you have any idea what’s actually going on down there? Do you think their friends or relatives are there to greet them when they cross and take them to stay with them? He has to give them cash cards, a phone and a ride? I’m nit aware where it says he must do these things. Are you? 

[The Real timschochet 6,430]

@Voltaire is absolutely correct: we don’t know what’s in this deal. Nobody does. 
 

Now, chances are very strong that he and I would look at the details, when and if they come out, very differently, since we don’t see eye to eye on this issue (for example I side with Biden over Texas and most of you do not.) But how can we even discuss it? 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,940]

So, during the pandemic, in order to fly into our country, you had to be vaccinated. But if you walked in you didn’t. Why did Biden allow that? He obviously could have required it. 

[Pimpadeaux 2,404]

40 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

More likely they were tipped ...

There's that speculation again ... 

You raised the question about knowing what's in the bill and yet speculate on the squishy idea that those who reject the bill were tipped on its contents.

Come on, man. 

 

[The Real timschochet 6,430]

What Abbott is doing is really ugly. Children have already died as a result. He and Texas has to be stopped. Republicans have gone nuts on this issue. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,940]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

What Abbott is doing is really ugly. Children have already died as a result. He and Texas has to be stopped. Republicans have gone nuts on this issue. 

What children have died due to Abbots actions? 

[The Real timschochet 6,430]

8 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

What children have died due to Abbots actions? 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2024/01/20/drowning-rio-grande-migrants-texas-border-patrol/72268305007/#

[Hardcore troubadour 14,940]

6 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2024/01/20/drowning-rio-grande-migrants-texas-border-patrol/72268305007/#

Fake news. They drowned before the agents were blocked. Pretty scummy to use that tragedy to capitalize for political purposes. You people have zero shame. I guess you have to in order to look at yourself in the mirror.  RIP to those poor people. But that’s on Biden. 

[The Real timschochet 6,430]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Fake news. They drowned before the agents were blocked. Pretty scummy to use that tragedy to capitalize for political purposes. You people have zero shame. I guess you have to in order to look at yourself in the mirror.  RIP to those poor people. But that’s on Biden. 

You believe what you want. These drownings are on Texas and more will happen if we go down this path. We need to find some common sense solutions. Yes we need to secure our border but in a humane way. 

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11 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2024/01/20/drowning-rio-grande-migrants-texas-border-patrol/72268305007/#

That story was debunked almost as soon as it came out.  Even the Biden administration acknowledges such.  As usual, you're ignorant on the topics you choose to comment on.  It's a pretty sad position to constantly find yourself in. 

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Just now, The Real timschochet said:

You believe what you want. These drownings are on Texas and more will happen if we go down this path. We need to find some common sense solutions. Yes we need to secure our border but in a humane way. 

You believe what you want?  This is a factual situation.  The FACTS say Texas did nothing wrong and the migrants were dead long before the Feds requested access.  What a pathetic attitude.  No buddy, you believe what YOU want.  The rest of us will rely on facts and data to form our opinions.

Not to mention that many more have died as a result of Biden opening the border wide open than anything Texas has done.  That's another FACT you can smoke.

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12 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

You believe what you want. These drownings are on Texas and more will happen if we go down this path. We need to find some common sense solutions. Yes we need to secure our border but in a humane way. 

Here you go buddy, just to prove your ignorance, AGAIN:

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Update: This story and headline were updated to reflect information shared by federal officials with the Supreme Court on Monday, Jan. 15. In that filing, the Justice Department said the three migrant drownings had already occurred when Border Patrol requested access to Shelby Park to help other migrants

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/3-migrants-drown-near-shelby-park-eagle-pass-texas-soldiers-denied-entry-federal-border-agents/

[The Real timschochet 6,430]

38 minutes ago, Strike said:

Here you go buddy, just to prove your ignorance, AGAIN:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/3-migrants-drown-near-shelby-park-eagle-pass-texas-soldiers-denied-entry-federal-border-agents/

You just don’t get it. 
 

I heard about this story for the first time tonight. I don’t follow everything that happens in Texas. If they got it wrong I’m glad. But in the big picture IT DOESNT MATTER because one way or another Abbott’s terrible policies are going to get people killed. Because they’re cruel and inhumane. 

Beyond that these people drowned trying to get here. That shouldn’t happen. It’s a terrible occurrence and the fault is the Republicans for refusing to have a humane immigration program. 

[Dizkneelande 1,085]

1.8 million a year yeah no

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8 hours ago, IGotWorms said:

This is a dumb argument. We don’t want to give him the authority to do this because we think he already has it?

Bottom line you don’t want it passed because it takes away a talking point in the election 

He could fix this with one Executive Order requiring all of Trump's policies, that he ended, be put back in place immediately. 

Problem solved. 

[Voltaire 5,202]

8 hours ago, Pimpadeaux said:

There's that speculation again ... 

You raised the question about knowing what's in the bill and yet speculate on the squishy idea that those who reject the bill were tipped on its contents.

Come on, man. 

 

Yes, when people write "most likely" it affirms/denotes speculation.  I have gone to great lengths in seemingly every post to point out that the discussions are continuing to be done in private, we don't know what the bill contains and we don't know how President Trump learned of the contents.

 I'd said z"more likely the President caught wind of what was going on" but thinking further on it, he doesn't have to. President Trump has already negotiated border policy with Democrats; he is already aware of what they want to allow/not do. Further, he doesn't have to speculate. Between that negotiating experience with what we can all observe by watching the Biden regime's border czar Harris and Secretary Mayorkas in action, or rather : inaction.  Really, the only time they have bothered to lift a finger to do anything on the border is when they reign in Texas for being frustrated and having the temerity to try to impede the flow.

 I would point out that the same laws that were already on the books and were in place during the Trump era exist today. The difference is that President Trump tried to maximize efforts rather than Biden's attempt to minimize them. Biden, Mayorkis, and Border Czar Harris do not need Congressional anything to carry out their policy in the first place.  If they want to pivot on policy they are free to do so at any time. What never-Trump Republicans offer them is the ability to take the heat from their outraged left flank in a veneer of bi-partisanship. 

In your hypothesis, President Trump's opposition to the bill is that he wants the border to remain open and does not want the issue resolved before the election. In mine, the Biden administration realized their policy is a failure and want to change it but don't want to offend their open border allies, so they called in their never Trump frenemies to provide them cover.

James Lankford's continued participation in the discussion provides some hope they can come up with a decent bill. IMO President Trump's involvement can only strengthen Lankford's hand.

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7 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

You believe what you want. These drownings are on Texas and more will happen if we go down this path. We need to find some common sense solutions. Yes we need to secure our border but in a humane way. 

No we don't. At some point people need to weigh the risk of dying vs the reward of illegally crossing the border and then being deported if caught. It's their decision. If the risk of death becomes so high that the potential reward isn't worth it, the problem will solve itself. 

[IGotWorms 4,057]

Let this thread stand as a testament: bored righties, for the most part, don’t actually give a sh1t about securing the border, and just want to use it as a political weapon.

 

Which is basically the least surprising thing ever.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,940]

7 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Let this thread stand as a testament: bored righties, for the most part, don’t actually give a sh1t about securing the border, and just want to use it as a political weapon.

 

Which is basically the least surprising thing ever.

You idiot. Just a few weeks  ago they told you the border  was secure. You were content being lied to as usual and went on with your day.  So stop acting like YOU have a Fock until it hurt your side politically. 

[Dizkneelande 1,085]

7 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Let this thread stand as a testament: bored righties, for the most part, don’t actually give a sh1t about securing the border, and just want to use it as a political weapon.

 

Which is basically the least surprising thing ever.

Do you ever get tired of being wrong? You’ve been proven wrong 100 times in your own thread. That has to be a new GC record.

[Dizkneelande 1,085]

Anything labeled bipartisan is guaranteed to screw the middle/working class.

[Voltaire 5,202]

12 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Let this thread stand as a testament: bored righties, for the most part, don’t actually give a sh1t about securing the border, and just want to use it as a political weapon.

 

Which is basically the least surprising thing ever.

Let this post stand as a testament that dating back to the torridjoe era, you've read and learned nothing from the tens of thousands of bored righties posts and their consistent position on immigration.

[IGotWorms 4,057]

7 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

You idiot. Just a few weeks  ago they told you the border  was secure. You were content being lied to as usual and went on with your day.  So stop acting like YOU have a Fock until it hurt your side politically. 

It’s not my issue, bro.

It’s yours.

And when presented with a plan that would REQUIRE Joe Biden to do what you claim you want him to do, you don’t support it — because you don’t actually want anything done.

Exposed

[Dizkneelande 1,085]

1 minute ago, IGotWorms said:

It’s not my issue, bro.

It’s yours.

And when presented with a plan that would REQUIRE Joe Biden to do what you claim you want him to do, you don’t support it — because you don’t actually want anything done.

Exposed

How does letting in 1.8 million illegals per year based on what has leaked secure the border? This should be good. 

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8 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2024/01/20/drowning-rio-grande-migrants-texas-border-patrol/72268305007/#

this is false.

[Reality 3,099]

Imagine thinking Biden needs to pass a new law to take action on the border. Liberals once again parroting orders from their liberal overlords like sheep. 

Pathetic & embarrassing.

[IGotWorms 4,057]

13 minutes ago, Reality said:

Imagine thinking Biden needs to pass a new law to take action on the border. Liberals once again parroting orders from their liberal overlords like sheep. 

Pathetic & embarrassing.

Imagine wanting people to think border security is your absolute number one priority, but when presented with a law that would require the president to close it down, you reject it.

You must think people are really stupid

[Dizkneelande 1,085]

7 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Imagine wanting people to think border security is your absolute number one priority, but when presented with a law that would require the president to close it down, you reject it.

You must think people are really stupid

The bill allows 150k per month you phucking leftist retard. It’s painful you phucking idiots are so ill-informed about every topic. You’re wrong about everything. It’s like when you believed thousands of unarmed black men were killed by cops annually. Just plain stupid. 

[seafoam1 2,803]

8 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Imagine wanting people to think border security is your absolute number one priority, but when presented with a law that would require the president to close it down, you reject it.

You must think people are really stupid

Clownzo is the #1 idiot in this country. And you voted him in. So who are you to preach?

His open border policy is getting people killed and even his own liberal followers who run the shlt democrat cities pissed off. He's a focking senile old man and needs to be set aside. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,940]

29 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Imagine wanting people to think border security is your absolute number one priority, but when presented with a law that would require the president to close it down, you reject it.

You must think people are really stupid

The border didn’t recently become unsecured. There is nothing going on now that wasn’t going on three years ago. They did nothing, lied and said it was secure, and you were good with it. Nah, you only care now because of politics. But of course you project that on the other side. Where were you and Biden before? 

[Voltaire 5,202]

It looks to me, and this is 100% speculation, that the Biden regime is willing to change policy on the border, either because they had a change of heart, or big city mayors have pressed them to recognize that unfettered illegal immigration is a failure, or because it polls terribly. I mean, the border policy is a big enough mess that even Tim, the NYTimes, and other left wing sources note a change in policy would help him win re-election.

Then you factor in that House Republicans are so fed up with the open border policy that they want to tie border funding to Ukraine war funding. Factoring in on the other end are members of the regime's party that do not want a change in policy but to continue allowing unfettered illegal immigration and blocking Texas from doing anything.

If Team Biden actually wanted to do something different about the border, they're free to do it. Since they don't have the balls to anger their open border advocates, they called in their never-Trump Republican allies to take some heat off for them with a bipartisan deal.

Again, my speculation.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,940]

Biden has admitted the border isn’t secure. And yet he sits on his hands. He has plenty of power in his pen to improve the situation. He choses to place the blame elsewhere. The buck stops over there. 

[seafoam1 2,803]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Biden has admitted the border isn’t secure. And yet he sits on his hands. He has plenty of power in his pen to improve the situation. He choses to place the blame elsewhere. The buck stops over there. 

He wants a bill that he can stick in 200 bullet points of wasteful spending that he can title BORDER BILL And only 1 sentence  in it will actually address the border. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,940]

Once he admits it isn’t secure, which he has, he should be doing all he can to secure it, immediately. He’s not. He’s playing politics with the nations security. You can see the impending disaster coming a mile away.