Does hell exist?

[Horseman 2,358]

49 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

Because everything cannot come from nothing. That's what you're telling me. There was nothing and then we had everything. I never said anything about natural selection or evolution. 

I admit and put forth that we do not know, yet.  

However, in the simplest of terms interjecting a supernatural being into the equation of existence from non-existence just makes it that more fantastical.  It doesn't prove anything.  I'd claim that there are more plausible theories to the infinite regress problem introducing a god causes.

There was not first cause, the universe has always existed and expands and contracts upon itself.

There was a first cause, which itself was uncaused and has always existed.

There is an infinite amount of causes. 

The universe just came into being without a cause.

 

 

[cyclone24 1,912]

2 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

You need a miracle for the big bang to happen. Science tells you that. You can't have something from nothing.

 

The Jews had the Romans Jesus killed

While dead he saved spirits who were not in heaven. This was another chance for those who separated themselves from God to go to Heaven.

After 3 days he came back and gave instructions to his disciples

Then he took the quick elevator back to heaven... learn to fly?

Yes, I was just thinking of all that scientific documentation on miracles. Good Lord man. 
 

So you’re assertion is he came back from the dead, holes and hands and feet gave instructions after coming back alive and then just floated into the sky somewhere. That’s your rational sane mind explanation of what happened? 
 

I take it back. You people are certifiable.

[Cdub100 3,836]

1 minute ago, cyclone24 said:

Yes, I was just thinking of all that scientific documentation on miracles. Good Lord man. 
 

So you’re assertion is he came back from the dead, holes and hands and feet gave instructions after coming back alive and then just floated into the sky somewhere. That’s your rational sane mind explanation of what happened? 
 

I take it back. You people are certifiable.

Heaven isn't in the sky.

What's more logical? Something from nothing or a creator?

[Fnord 2,051]

14 hours ago, Pimpadeaux said:

Humanity has witnessed thousands of years of events in similar details by Jews, Christians, Muslims and those of other faiths, and all of it points to a higher power our very limited brains most likely cannot comprehend.

There could be civilizations out there that are billions of years more advanced than we are.

So it boils down to faith, and I have solid faith that there is a higher power and that heaven and hell exist, only we're too intellectually limited to wrap our minds around it.

I tend to think similarly, but minus the heaven and hell bit. Human brains are not ready to comprehend the mysteries of the universe, except for Rick Sanchez of course.

15 hours ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

My biggest piece of hard evidence is this: Go look for all of the research on Children who remember past lives. There shouldn't be a single instance of a child remembering a past life of someone who died already. Yet there are thousands of these stories.

How does this prove that God exists? Well, it depends on how you define God. God, from what I understand, isn't some separate entity. It's the source of all energy in the universe. It ties everything together. I believe that when people die, their consciousness remains and ascends to a higher dimension from our dimension, the third dimension. There are lots of stories around this with near death experiences.

I understand being skeptical of these stories, but it's either every person who has a story like this is lying or is insane. Having been the skeptic, but then having an experience myself, there's no way all of these stories are bunk.

Agree with this piece as well, since we know that energy is a constant. 

My mother has had dreams her whole life about being burned alive in a concentration camp oven. She swears it's past life memory. Maybe so, maybe not but the near death experience testimonies are fairly easily explained neurologically as your brain essentially downloading your life into your consciousness as it prepares to die.

I'm pretty satisfied with trying to live by the golden rule and admitting that I don't and won't know shlt about it until I die. I'm cool with waiting to find out. I wish some other people were able to act similarly, instead of insisting that their faith is actually proven truth and then trying to tell me all about how I need to live my life.

[Horseman 2,358]

16 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

You need a miracle for the big bang to happen. Science tells you that. You can't have something from nothing.

Saying something like that is the opposite of science.

I went to and listened to Stephen Hawkins give a lecture once where he said we would never know exactly what happens inside a black hole.  That was the worst thing I've ever heard him say.  He might as well have told the scientists to stop studying black holes.  Luckily they didn't and we know have mathematical models that account for most all of the energy and make up of a black hole even if we still don't fully understand them.

Science doesn't need miracles.  

There is a fascinating book I suggest you read by Lawrence Krauss, A Universe from Nothing.  He provides several theories on this topic all of which, even the most unlikely, are way more probably than the religious supernatural being explanations.  But, in essence, nothing is unstable which makes the null situation very unlikely.  

[cyclone24 1,912]

8 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

Heaven isn't in the sky.

What's more logical? Something from nothing or a creator?

Something from nothing in an environment that is cohesive to spawning life forms. 
now you will come back with well what created that and that’s where we get into I don’t know, but my I don’t know doesn’t result in an answer being a god where yours does.

And again, not being able to prove your side, doesn’t make it truth. You can’t prove that there’s an afterlife, but you’re going to build your entire life around it. To me that is crazy. But again, if it makes you a better person? Have at it

[Horseman 2,358]

12 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

Heaven isn't in the sky.

What's more logical? Something from nothing or a creator?

Again, who created the creator?  Something from nothing is statistically more probable (and logical) than saying something from nothing by a creator who we have to assume also came from nothing.  

This may seem like a technicality, but, as I've pointed out previously there may be several explanations for the big bang, some of which don't require something from nothing.  And it just may be that we don't have the intellectual capability and obviously the theoretical physics to explain and understand it all yet.  That's infinitely more probably that the supernatural.  Again, we've seen that throughout our history from actually worshiping the sun as some deity all the way down through one last explanation for the big bang. You don't believe in any of the hundreds of gods that humans believed in before your current god.

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11 minutes ago, Horseman said:

Again, who created the creator?  Something from nothing is statistically more probable (and logical) than saying something from nothing by a creator who we have to assume also came from nothing.  

This may seem like a technicality, but, as I've pointed out previously there may be several explanations for the big bang, some of which don't require something from nothing.  And it just may be that we don't have the intellectual capability and obviously the theoretical physics to explain and understand it all yet.  That's infinitely more probably that the supernatural.  Again, we've seen that throughout our history from actually worshiping the sun as some deity all the way down through one last explanation for the big bang. You don't believe in any of the hundreds of gods that humans believed in before your current god.

There are wonders that we probably never even imagine. I believe more in that than we know everything there is to know about time and space. We live on timelines with the primary essence of living is based on duality of life. It's all we know. I'm betting there is a lot more. 

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1 hour ago, cyclone24 said:

Exactly. If they can’t explain it, they just say well….That’s God‘s creation and we can’t understand all that he does. It’s crazy.

So far, I don’t know how many pages in we are, but nobody has provided one shred of any evidence of a god a hell and afterlife anything. I asked if Jesus died and came back is he still alive or did he die again? And again nobody can answer that. It’s just a weird thing to form your entire life around that you can’t explain very basic concepts to people.

I want you to watch this (I mean really watch it) and then tell me there's no god. 

 

[Horseman 2,358]

27 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

There are wonders that we probably never even imagine. I believe more in that than we know everything there is to know about time and space. We live on timelines with the primary essence of living is based on duality of life. It's all we know. I'm betting there is a lot more. 

Not sure if it's what you meant, but, multiple universe theory would definitely explain how a single universe (say the one observed by humans) could seemingly pop into (big bang) and out of existence without the requirement for there to be a beginning or energy and matter coming from nothing.  

If universes were as simple as subatomic particles, just on a grand scale, one could be created by another universe dropping down a level as simple as an electron dropping down an atomic level and emitting a photon.  

We're forgetting Einstein's General Relativity, we're only looking at it from our internal point of view.  

[cyclone24 1,912]

10 minutes ago, Mookz said:

I want you to watch this (I mean really watch it) and then tell me there's no god. 

 

The best part about that is, I don’t even need to click on it, and I know what he’s doing, the song, when the applause comes in.

[Mookz 1,337]

10 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

The best part about that is, I don’t even need to click on it, and I know what he’s doing, the song, when the applause comes in.

Just occurred to me he missed a huge opportunity by not painting his canoe red.  Especially with watercraft being referred to as "she" and whatnot. 

[cyclone24 1,912]

1 minute ago, Mookz said:

Just occurred to me he missed a huge opportunity by not painting his canoe red.  Especially with watercraft being referred to as "she" and whatnot. 

He probably pulled so much ass from that performance.

[lickin_starfish 1,893]

I imagine that hell is a whole lot like my job.

[seafoam1 2,799]

38 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

He probably pulled so much ass from that performance.

Both Ethel and Ruth each had an amazing night while he was in town that weekend. 

[seafoam1 2,799]

57 minutes ago, Horseman said:

Not sure if it's what you meant, but, multiple universe theory would definitely explain how a single universe (say the one observed by humans) could seemingly pop into (big bang) and out of existence without the requirement for there to be a beginning or energy and matter coming from nothing.  

If universes were as simple as subatomic particles, just on a grand scale, one could be created by another universe dropping down a level as simple as an electron dropping down an atomic level and emitting a photon.  

We're forgetting Einstein's General Relativity, we're only looking at it from our internal point of view.  

Hortin Hears a Who. "Boil that dust speck."

[BeenHereBefore 1,456]

5 hours ago, Engorgeous George said:

Bigfeet eat their dead.

Oh like the Kardashians and why you never see a ugly one?

[edjr 6,578]

I always thought cdub was logical.

[jerryskids 6,561]

6 hours ago, Horseman said:

Ah intelligent design.  It's so beautiful and complex it has to have been designed by a supernatural being.  If you make that some sort of rule in your quest to prove the existence of god you run into the exact same objection of it happening by chance.  But statistically it's worse because it doubles the problem when you apply the same rule to the creator.  If something so beautiful and complex implies a creator, who created the creator?  You've just halved it's likely probability in perpetuity. 

I am an engineer and analytical, and my beliefs actually align closer to yours. I believe there is likely a scientific explanation for everything, we just don't know it.

But that explanation might cross over into something we can label as God.  An energy which we are a part of.  I have faced death, and I find myself increasingly pursuing spirituality.  Meditation, and prayer.  Prayer is not asking for stuff, but opening your mind much like meditation, but instead of nothingness, it is an opening of the heart to positive energy, which some may call God.

That's where I am, anyway. I hesitated to respond to you last time because I suspected you would dig your heels in and argue. I won't do that, because there is no winning in that. I will say however that the most "unscientific" thing you can do is presume you know the answers when you really don't. Your belief is a theory, strongly rooted in observation.  But not a law or fact. 

[Frozenbeernuts 2,114]

7 hours ago, Horseman said:

They call it a testimony.  Your personal account of your experience and how you know god exists.  Your best bet at convincing anyone is to share that.  That's what priests, pastors, rabbi, clerics and missionaries do.  Short of that, go ahead and provide specific accounts of these children that remember past lives.  Note: You might need to provide some context because reincarnation is a Hindu construct, not typically Christian or Jewish (since you referenced the bible earlier).  Are you trying to say they were watching from heaven before they were born or something?

I believe in reincarnation. When we die, our consciousness remains and ascends to a higher dimension. This is confirmed in many near death experiences.

Children who remember past lives + people being pshycic + near death experiences + my own personal story = God has to exist. No way that it's all just random and coincidence.

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9 hours ago, cyclone24 said:

The same way people go in for brain surgery and then all of a sudden they can speak French. 
When I hear a story like that, I don’t attribute that to. Oh well there you go that’s the existence of God. 
my guess is near death, or just messing with the brain at all things start short-circuiting. We don’t know if people that actually died how many saw not one thing.

This really doesn't explain how thousands of children can remember the life of someone else with accuracy. I think, if anything, your example of someone waking up knowing how to speak French confirms there is a shared consciousness that we all can tap into. We can access it in deep states of consciousness. Theta and Delta.

I made these same arguments at one point. If you had the experience that I did, then you would flip your belief. I also don't mind anyone that is an atheist. My brother is. I just try to help people get a little closer to the truth, because once you see it, life becomes even more amazing. If your life is already amazing, well it gets even better still.

[seafoam1 2,799]

41 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I am an engineer and analytical, and my beliefs actually align closer to yours. I believe there is likely a scientific explanation for everything, we just don't know it.

But that explanation might cross over into something we can label as God.  An energy which we are a part of.  I have faced death, and I find myself increasingly pursuing spirituality.  Meditation, and prayer.  Prayer is not asking for stuff, but opening your mind much like meditation, but instead of nothingness, it is an opening of the heart to positive energy, which some may call God.

That's where I am, anyway. I hesitated to respond to you last time because I suspected you would dig your heels in and argue. I won't do that, because there is no winning in that. I will say however that the most "unscientific" thing you can do is presume you know the answers when you really don't. Your belief is a theory, strongly rooted in observation.  But not a law or fact. 

The fact that you are locking yourself into a particular group of thinkers, how you approach something, without looking at it from a "worldly" eye, tells me you are limited in your views. Nothing wrong with that as far as having a belief system, but it lessens your options seeing the wonders of what could be. And may be what is truth. 

 

[Horseman 2,358]

26 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I am an engineer and analytical, and my beliefs actually align closer to yours. I believe there is likely a scientific explanation for everything, we just don't know it.

But that explanation might cross over into something we can label as God.  An energy which we are a part of.  I have faced death, and I find myself increasingly pursuing spirituality.  Meditation, and prayer.  Prayer is not asking for stuff, but opening your mind much like meditation, but instead of nothingness, it is an opening of the heart to positive energy, which some may call God.

That's where I am, anyway. I hesitated to respond to you last time because I suspected you would dig your heels in and argue. I won't do that, because there is no winning in that. I will say however that the most "unscientific" thing you can do is presume you know the answers when you really don't. Your belief is a theory, strongly rooted in observation.  But not a law or fact. 

Not sure how you're making a distinction between arguing and discussing.  It must come from an impression that I'm saying I know definitively the origins of the universe, or have all the answers, which would be silly.

6 hours ago, Horseman said:

I admit and put forth that we do not know, yet.  

 

All I said was that intelligent design or god-of-the-gaps are faulty constructs that don't hold up to simple statistical probability or Occom's razor.  There has to be something else there, maybe a near death experience.  Just the human brain knowing there was a chance you've seen your last ash tree blossom can explain all sorts of feelings and emotions.

I like the idea of a collective positive energy, Karma.  And I'd give ground to meditation over prayer.  There is definitely evidence we can point to for positive outcomes in health and lifestyle by use of positive thinking.  But, I don't know that we need to label that God, rather than take credit yourself.  I'll just quote Bob Marley, "almighty god is a living man".  

Anyway, that's not the type of God that most people are refereeing to

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Because, if you confess with your Mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your Heart  that God raised Him from the dead, you will be Saved.  Romans 10:9.  That’s All there is, that’s Salvation Into Heaven, make the best of this life, you only have one shot.  But if you believe that Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior and you repent from your Sins, you will be Saved, if not there is Hell to Pay.  

No reincarnation, no other way, no no no.  The Bible is the true Word of God.  

God bless.  I hope.  Amen.  

[Horseman 2,358]

1 hour ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

I believe in reincarnation. When we die, our consciousness remains and ascends to a higher dimension. This is confirmed in many near death experiences.

Children who remember past lives + people being pshycic + near death experiences + my own personal story = God has to exist. No way that it's all just random and coincidence.

Very Hindu-ish then, because those aren't Christian beliefs.

The human brain is something we are still learning about almost as full with as many mysteries as the universe.  I mean I have some really crazy dreams, don't you?  However, there are some very explainable things with near death experiences.  Dreams aren't real, but, many psychologists believe they are used for problem solving and routine brain activation and maintenance. If your brain knows your body is near death it is likely processing that problem and if you have any preconceived notions about the afterlife it only makes sense they would manifest themselves.  It's not very interesting to me that a Catholic saw Mother Mary calling to them on their death bed after believing that all their lives and especially on Sunday.  What would be interesting to me is if a large number of Muslims saw the Catholic version of heaven, or better yet some group of African tribesmen that have never been exposed to the Abrahamic religions saw that.  That would be something.

So what we have left is reincarnation, psychics and your own personal story.  Nothing which I can do much without more specifics.   There was the The One Million Dollar Paranormal Challenge, an offer by the James Randi Educational Foundation for psychics that nobody was able to claim.  If psychics are real they sure are hidden and not looking to make money, except for the ones pretending to be psychics that will gladly take your money.  

[jerryskids 6,561]

55 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

The fact that you are locking yourself into a particular group of thinkers, how you approach something, without looking at it from a "worldly" eye, tells me you are limited in your views. Nothing wrong with that as far as having a belief system, but it lessens your options seeing the wonders of what could be. And may be what is truth. 

 

I don't understand what you are saying here.  Can you explain? 

[BeachGuy23 642]

3 hours ago, edjr said:

I always thought cdub was logical.

This is as unbelievable as hell FFS. 

[Frozenbeernuts 2,114]

1 hour ago, Horseman said:

Very Hindu-ish then, because those aren't Christian beliefs.

The human brain is something we are still learning about almost as full with as many mysteries as the universe.  I mean I have some really crazy dreams, don't you?  However, there are some very explainable things with near death experiences.  Dreams aren't real, but, many psychologists believe they are used for problem solving and routine brain activation and maintenance. If your brain knows your body is near death it is likely processing that problem and if you have any preconceived notions about the afterlife it only makes sense they would manifest themselves.  It's not very interesting to me that a Catholic saw Mother Mary calling to them on their death bed after believing that all their lives and especially on Sunday.  What would be interesting to me is if a large number of Muslims saw the Catholic version of heaven, or better yet some group of African tribesmen that have never been exposed to the Abrahamic religions saw that.  That would be something.

So what we have left is reincarnation, psychics and your own personal story.  Nothing which I can do much without more specifics.   There was the The One Million Dollar Paranormal Challenge, an offer by the James Randi Educational Foundation for psychics that nobody was able to claim.  If psychics are real they sure are hidden and not looking to make money, except for the ones pretending to be psychics that will gladly take your money.  

I am no expert on psychics, but I know it's not an exact science.

My mother in law text my wife last year out of the blue. She said someone that's close to us is pregnant. My wife told her that she wasn't pregnant, then started going through women they both know.

Her mom then goes, what about that black couple at your wedding. My wife says the chick's name, and her mom goes yep. That's it. My wife tells her that she hasn't heard anything about it.

My wife then asks this chick if she's pregnant. She was shocked because she had found out only 3 days prior herself.

My wife's mom had met this person once. How is that possible? Like I said not an exact science.

[Frozenbeernuts 2,114]

2 hours ago, weepaws said:

Because, if you confess with your Mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your Heart  that God raised Him from the dead, you will be Saved.  Romans 10:9.  That’s All there is, that’s Salvation Into Heaven, make the best of this life, you only have one shot.  But if you believe that Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior and you repent from your Sins, you will be Saved, if not there is Hell to Pay.  

No reincarnation, no other way, no no no.  The Bible is the true Word of God.  

God bless.  I hope.  Amen.  

Reincarnation is real. It has already been proven. Thousands of people remember past lives. That's all the proof you need. There are books written on the subject.

Life Before Life: Children's Memories of Previous Lives https://a.co/d/e1RQK90

[Frozenbeernuts 2,114]

9 hours ago, Cdub100 said:

Because everything cannot come from nothing. That's what you're telling me. There was nothing and then we had everything. I never said anything about natural selection or evolution. 

Exactly

The odds of the

Sun being perfect for a planet with life

The Earth being the perfect distance from the sun

The moon being perfect size and distance for the earth

Life forming on the planet at all

Every single animal creating a perfectly balanced ecosystem

The ocean currents perfectly forming

Then on top of life actually forming, one of the species turns out to be intelligent

All by accident?

[Horseman 2,358]

27 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

I am no expert on psychics, but I know it's not an exact science.

My mother in law text my wife last year out of the blue. She said someone that's close to us is pregnant. My wife told her that she wasn't pregnant, then started going through women they both know.

Her mom then goes, what about that black couple at your wedding. My wife says the chick's name, and her mom goes yep. That's it. My wife tells her that she hasn't heard anything about it.

My wife then asks this chick if she's pregnant. She was shocked because she had found out only 3 days prior herself.

My wife's mom had met this person once. How is that possible? Like I said not an exact science.

A - Coincidence.  I bet you know someone (6 degrees of seperation) that is newly pregnant right now. 

B - Even if she somehow knows things, why is it a second hand supernatural that is telling her. 

[Horseman 2,358]

51 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

Exactly

The odds of the

Sun being perfect for a planet with life

The Earth being the perfect distance from the sun

The moon being perfect size and distance for the earth

Life forming on the planet at all

Every single animal creating a perfectly balanced ecosystem

The ocean currents perfectly forming

Then on top of life actually forming, one of the species turns out to be intelligent

All by accident?

Using data collected by Kepler Space Observatory 22% of the solar stars in our galaxy have an earth sized plant in the habitable zone. (That's 22% times at least 200 billion just in our galaxy) There are somewhere around one trillion galaxies is the observable universe.  

The moon doesnt have a necessary role for life to have developed on our planet. 

How fast, relatively, life developed on earth has most scientists agreeing it's highly likely we arent the only ones. We're still trying to prove/disprove life possibly happening on Mars for fok sake.  

Every single animal dont create the ecosystem for themselves.  Natural selection and evolution more than adequately explain what you are trying to say.  

Oceans arent perfectly performing.  

There are a ton of intelligent species on our planet. Good grief.   

 

May I suggest some Carl Segan or Neal Degrasse videos?  

[Horseman 2,358]

44,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

That's roughly how many solar systems you'd have to visit in order to rule out earth type of life forms not existing in the observable universe.  That's how unique earth like conditions may be. 

44,000,000,000 in just in our galaxy.  

[weepaws 3,154]

4 hours ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

Reincarnation is real. It has already been proven. Thousands of people remember past lives. That's all the proof you need. There are books written on the subject.

Life Before Life: Children's Memories of Previous Lives https://a.co/d/e1RQK90

No it’s not real, one life is all one gets, but you can accept Jesus Christ your Lord and Savior.  

[Maximum Overkill 1,739]

8 hours ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

All by accident?

Not by accident, but by chance. 

You're spot on though. Something can come from nothing and that's exactly what happened. Quantum Mechanics proves that. 

If there's nothing then you're in a vacuum, if that vacuum becomes too high, too hot and boom, a big bang. I'm sure I'm forgetting a few steps but you get it. I believe it's called a singularity, I could be wrong, it's been a while. 

Protons and neutrons formed, then hydrogen and helium, the building blocks for life. Someone didn't just snap their fingers and make the universe. With Billions upon billions of planets and solar systems there's definitely life out there somewhere, probably not like we know it though. 

It's a very simple concept. 

 

[Frozenbeernuts 2,114]

9 hours ago, Horseman said:

Using data collected by Kepler Space Observatory 22% of the solar stars in our galaxy have an earth sized plant in the habitable zone. (That's 22% times at least 200 billion just in our galaxy) There are somewhere around one trillion galaxies is the observable universe.  

The moon doesnt have a necessary role for life to have developed on our planet. 

How fast, relatively, life developed on earth has most scientists agreeing it's highly likely we arent the only ones. We're still trying to prove/disprove life possibly happening on Mars for fok sake.  

Every single animal dont create the ecosystem for themselves.  Natural selection and evolution more than adequately explain what you are trying to say.  

Oceans arent perfectly performing.  

There are a ton of intelligent species on our planet. Good grief.   

 

May I suggest some Carl Segan or Neal Degrasse videos?  

I have watched Neal Degrasse. I enjoy a lot of his content. He's also a pompous ass, so I don't trust everything he says.

He's atheist. I know for a fact God exists, to me at least. Maybe God literally doesn't exist to the atheist. Maybe our beliefs shape our afterlife? I do know that the world where God exists and magic exists is way more fun than the atheist version of total randomness.

You should read more into quantum physics and that entire realm.

[Frozenbeernuts 2,114]

4 hours ago, weepaws said:

No it’s not real, one life is all one gets, but you can accept Jesus Christ your Lord and Savior.  

Christ is not to be worshiped. That is blasphemy and an affront to what Jesus taught.

[Voltaire 5,191]

12 hours ago, weepaws said:

 if you believe that Jesus Christ is Lord and Savior and you repent from your Sins, you will be Saved, if not there is Hell to Pay.  

 

[Horseman 2,358]

1 hour ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

I have watched Neal Degrasse. I enjoy a lot of his content. He's also a pompous ass, so I don't trust everything he says.

He's atheist. I know for a fact God exists, to me at least. Maybe God literally doesn't exist to the atheist. Maybe our beliefs shape our afterlife? I do know that the world where God exists and magic exists is way more fun than the atheist version of total randomness.

You should read more into quantum physics and that entire realm.

If you knew for a fact you'd have a more compelling argument.  

[Maximum Overkill 1,739]

4 hours ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

I know for a fact God exists, to me at least. Maybe God literally doesn't exist to the atheist. Maybe our beliefs shape our afterlife? I do know that the world where God exists and magic exists is way more fun than the atheist version of total randomness.

I agree to an extent. God is the vacuum that created this whole mess. But at the same time our energy has to go somewhere when we die as quantum physics suggests, but where? Certainly not a heaven or hell, that's for the uneducated to debate.