Trump's NY Election Interference Trial - Trump is found guilty on all 34 counts

[TBayXXXVII 2,519]

2 hours ago, Mike Honcho said:

I will riot, but it will be a very quiet riot, you will not be able to feel the noise. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,519]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

No worries if you get your Trump dictatorship this WILL happen. No doubt 

You should be ok with that, considering you're ok with this trial.  Would be one in the same.

[jerryskids 6,709]

1 hour ago, squistion said:

https://x.com/KatiePhang/status/1795541272381526247

STEINGLASS: “This tape unequivocally shows a presidential candidate actively engaging in a scheme to influence the election…”

STEINGLASS: So now Cohen has gotten his approval from the boss and the plan is to transfer Karen McD life rights via a shell company.

STEINGLASS: And the next day transfer docs are signed by Pecker and Cohen.

STEINGLASS: But transfer never goes through because the general counsel said no don’t do that.

STEINGLASS: After speaking to his general counsel, Pecker changes his mind, and then calls Cohen in first week of Oct. and tells him to rip up agreement.

STEINGLASS: AMI ends up eating the whole $150,000.

You've been following this way more closely than I have, so I'll ask you:  did the prosecution make this argument during the evidentiary portion of the trial?  If not, it seems wrong to argue a key, fundamental part of your case only in your closing, where there is no chance for the defense to rebut.   

[Mark Davis 380]

Kudos to everyone following closely.  I follow politics way more than the average person and even I've had to tune this one out.

[squistion 2,105]

12 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

You've been following this way more closely than I have, so I'll ask you:  did the prosecution make this argument during the evidentiary portion of the trial?  If not, it seems wrong to argue a key, fundamental part of your case only in your closing, where there is no chance for the defense to rebut.   

I am pretty sure they played that tape during the trial but I can't recall if they made that argument. I think they are allowed to draw a conclusion during the closing arguments they did not make during the trial, but maybe one of the attorneys here can speak to that. 

[squistion 2,105]

https://x.com/kylegriffin1/status/1795575794846364055

Prosecutor Joshua Steinglass to the jury: "These documents are so damning that you almost have to laugh" at the defense's arguments.

[jerryskids 6,709]

11 minutes ago, squistion said:

I am pretty sure they played that tape during the trial but I can't recall if they made that argument. I think they are allowed to draw a conclusion during the closing arguments they did not make during the trial, but maybe one of the attorneys here can speak to that. 

I would guess that they played the tape -- no way would a judge let it in otherwise.  My issue, if it wasn't argued earlier, is that this entire case would not have existed if Bragg hadn't come up with a creative (to be kind) way to link the payoff to "election interference."  Then it wasn't brought up in the arguments.  And the judge wouldn't let the Federal Elections Committee chairman (I think that was his role) testify, presumably to say that they found it to be a nothingburger.

And for this, and paying off a pron star 8 years ago to keep quiet (with a legal NDA), we are trying to convict the presumptive Republican nominee for president.

I find it sad that more people don't see the danger in this.  But, OMB, gotta get him, Machiavelli would be proud. 

[squistion 2,105]

https://x.com/KatiePhang/status/1795580761799545111

[I had to take a break to travel to 30 Rock, etc. so I’m just catching up now! Sorry]

STEINGLASS: Hope Hicks told you the news [of the Access Hollywood tape] was so big it eclipsed the coverage of a category 4 hurricane bearing down on the east coast.

STEINGLASS: “so I guess it was like a category 5 hurricane”

STEINGLASS:   At the same time Hicks testified that she used Cohen to use his media contacts to see if there were other stories out there and chasing down rumors to see that the effort to spin the Access Hollywood tape did not backfire, this is not catch and kill exactly, but they are doing this at the direction of and for the benefit of the campaign.

[squistion 2,105]

3 minutes ago, squistion said:

https://x.com/KatiePhang/status/1795580761799545111

[I had to take a break to travel to 30 Rock, etc. so I’m just catching up now! Sorry]

STEINGLASS: Hope Hicks told you the news [of the Access Hollywood tape] was so big it eclipsed the coverage of a category 4 hurricane bearing down on the east coast.

STEINGLASS: “so I guess it was like a category 5 hurricane”

STEINGLASS:   At the same time Hicks testified that she used Cohen to use his media contacts to see if there were other stories out there and chasing down rumors to see that the effort to spin the Access Hollywood tape did not backfire, this is not catch and kill exactly, but they are doing this at the direction of and for the benefit of the campaign.

https://x.com/KatiePhang/status/1795580761799545111

STEINGLASS: Mr. Trump tells Cohen to use his media relationships to help spin the AH tape as locker room talk. The spin that Melania recommended.

STEINGLASS: ”Stormy Daniels was a walking, talking reminder that the defendant was not only words. She would have totally undermined his strategy for spinning away the Access Hollywood tape.”

[squistion 2,105]

https://x.com/KatiePhang/status/1795582478595559532

Steinglass is painstakingly walking the jurors through the tick-tock of the Stormy Daniels deal’s foundation of texts and emails and call logs between Cohen and Pecker and Davidson and Howard.

[squistion 2,105]

Just now, squistion said:

https://x.com/KatiePhang/status/1795582478595559532

Steinglass is painstakingly walking the jurors through the tick-tock of the Stormy Daniels deal’s foundation of texts and emails and call logs between Cohen and Pecker and Davidson and Howard.

https://x.com/KatiePhang/status/1795582920142582201

STEINGLASS: “It’s no coincidence that the sex happened in 2006, but the payoff happened less than two weeks before the 2016 election”

STEINGLASS: and that’s because the defendant’s primary concern was not his family, but the election.

[squistion 2,105]

https://x.com/kylegriffin1/status/1795584633847116225

Prosecutor Joshua Steinglass calls Hope Hicks' testimony "devastating," saying she burst into tears because she realized the impact of what she'd told the court.

Trump lawyer Todd Blanche objects to that characterization, but Judge Merchan allows it.

[squistion 2,105]

https://x.com/KatiePhang/status/1795585616710688965

STEINGLASS: just before 10pm on 11/8/16, Davidson texts Howard: “what have we done” and Howard seems to recognize the significance as well. They called it gallows humor but there was a mutual understanding their activities had assisted Trump. We’ll never know if this effort to hoodwink voters worked, but that’s not something we have to prove.

[Engorgeous George 2,271]

4 hours ago, Mike Honcho said:

The jurors only get 40 bucks a day, man-that's got to be a big pay cut for some of them.  

My job would haver paid me my salary for time spent on jury duty, but I would have had to have given them over my pay from the court.

[squistion 2,105]

https://x.com/KatiePhang/status/1795587554529390995

Trump told Cohen not to worry and he will take care of everything after vacation and AW said bring in the paperwork and we will work it all out and together they went to Trump’s office and on the bank statement, AW and Cohen calculated all the money owed and AW explains how to pay him back and they will treat it as income…..AW discussed payment plan with Cohen and Trump and explained to Cohen and explained how we, meaning AW and Trump, prefer to break it up into 12 payments.

[Engorgeous George 2,271]

4 hours ago, Mike Honcho said:

If I were the prosecutor my entire closing statement would be: If you think Trump banged her filthy, you must find him guilty or If you think he busted a nut, you have to lock up his butt. 

Go full Johnnie Cochran!!!

Trying to think of a rhyme for McDougal but all I keep coming up with is Dayam!

[squistion 2,105]

https://x.com/rawsalerts/status/1795496129234350266

The U.S. Secret Service has met with New York jail officials to discuss preparations for former President Donald Trump being taken into custody and placed behind bars, according to CBS News this is still developing

[squistion 2,105]

9 minutes ago, squistion said:

https://x.com/KatiePhang/status/1795587554529390995

Trump told Cohen not to worry and he will take care of everything after vacation and AW said bring in the paperwork and we will work it all out and together they went to Trump’s office and on the bank statement, AW and Cohen calculated all the money owed and AW explains how to pay him back and they will treat it as income…..AW discussed payment plan with Cohen and Trump and explained to Cohen and explained how we, meaning AW and Trump, prefer to break it up into 12 payments.

https://x.com/KatiePhang/status/1795590397915504905

STEINGLASS: McConney told you he knew this was a reimbursement [to Cohen], because that’s what Weisselberg told him it was.

[squistion 2,105]

https://x.com/KatiePhang/status/1795591267159625897

Steinglass: People’s Exhibits 35 and 36 are the “smoking guns.” He says he’s “almost speechless” that the defense is still attempting to characterize the payments for services rendered , but they have to do that, Steinglass argues unless they’re willing to concede the records are simply false.

[Engorgeous George 2,271]

3 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

Are you Boo Radley in your fantasy? Just curious. 

One of Duvall's earliest roles.

[Engorgeous George 2,271]

2 hours ago, Mike Honcho said:

Everyone would be like "look how big my c0ck looks in his little hands!!!!"

You can simulate this now with your wife and a bag of Cheetos.

[squistion 2,105]

https://x.com/KatiePhang/status/1795592579750474094

McConney's own handwritten notes that he took during his meeting with AW are shown to the jury. Those notes are memorializing not only his conversation with AW but also the conspiracy scheme to reimburse Cohen.

[thegeneral 3,100]

1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

I would guess that they played the tape -- no way would a judge let it in otherwise.  My issue, if it wasn't argued earlier, is that this entire case would not have existed if Bragg hadn't come up with a creative (to be kind) way to link the payoff to "election interference."  Then it wasn't brought up in the arguments.  And the judge wouldn't let the Federal Elections Committee chairman (I think that was his role) testify, presumably to say that they found it to be a nothingburger.

And for this, and paying off a pron star 8 years ago to keep quiet (with a legal NDA), we are trying to convict the presumptive Republican nominee for president.

I find it sad that more people don't see the danger in this.  But, OMB, gotta get him, Machiavelli would be proud. 

It’s better to be open and honest when your fixer has paid off your hoars in a dubious manner. Those heartland voters really respect the honesty.

[jonmx 2,425]

3 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

It’s better to be open and honest when your fixer has paid off your hoars in a dubious manner. Those heartland voters really respect the honesty.

Nothing dubious about an NDA written up and agreed to by lawyers.   This whole case is about taking perfectly legal activity and using rhetoric to make them illegal sounding.  This is why nothing about this case is explaining what laws cover this.  

[jonmx 2,425]

39 minutes ago, squistion said:

https://x.com/KatiePhang/status/1795592579750474094

McConney's own handwritten notes that he took during his meeting with AW are shown to the jury. Those notes are memorializing not only his conversation with AW but also the conspiracy scheme to reimburse Cohen.

OMG, a conspiracy to figure out how to pay a bill.  

[thegeneral 3,100]

5 minutes ago, jonmx said:

Nothing dubious about an NDA written up and agreed to by lawyers.   This whole case is about taking perfectly legal activity and using rhetoric to make them illegal sounding.  This is why nothing about this case is explaining what laws cover this.  

Donald didn’t know anything about it, never banged her, never agreed to pay her, didn’t think this fake allegation would hurt his election chances, never knew what Cohen was doing or how he was paid back or what The Enquirer did!

 

[jonmx 2,425]

Just now, thegeneral said:

Donald didn’t know anything about it, never banged her, never agreed to pay her, didn’t think this fake allegation would hurt his election chances, never knew what Cohen was doing or how he was paid back or what The Enquirer did!

 

All legal and happens in every election.  Politicians have sex.  Using your private company to pay an NDA is legal.  Every politicians tries to cover up or put out stories to help their election chances.  There are no crimes on the books which criminalize maximizing your election chances, including working with the media to keep stories quiet.  

[jerryskids 6,709]

28 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

It’s better to be open and honest when your fixer has paid off your hoars in a dubious manner. Those heartland voters really respect the honesty.

You don't get my point, that's OK.  You are stuck on the simplistic "if Trump weren't so sloppy none of these indictments would have happened."  Bless your heart. 

 

[thegeneral 3,100]

3 minutes ago, jonmx said:

All legal and happens in every election.  Politicians have sex.  Using your private company to pay an NDA is legal.  Every politicians tries to cover up or put out stories to help their election chances.  There are no crimes on the books which criminalize maximizing your election chances, including working with the media to keep stories quiet.  

The initial crime is how he paid her off. He lied his ass off. If you think he did it to hide it from people for the election you get to the rest.

You aren’t on the jury so your opinion, and mine, are worth about as much as a cup of Denny’s coffee. 

[thegeneral 3,100]

3 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

You don't get my point, that's OK.  You are stuck on the simplistic "if Trump weren't so sloppy none of these indictments would have happened."  Bless your heart. 

 

No I don’t get your point. Bless your heart for trying. You are so objective!

[jonmx 2,425]

6 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

The initial crime is how he paid her off. He lied his ass off. If you think he did it to hide it from people for the election you get to the rest.

You aren’t on the jury so your opinion, and mine, are worth about as much as a cup of Denny’s coffee. 

What was illegal about how he paid her off?  His lawyer initiated an NDA and paid her off knowing that he could make money from Trump off the deal.  Show me the statue which makes this illegal, preferably a New York one which the court might actually have some legal jurisdiction over.  You can safe yourself time as there is none. 

[jerryskids 6,709]

10 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

No I don’t get your point. Bless your heart for trying. You are so objective!

 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,006]

2 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

 

anyone want to tell him?

[mattman7168 39]

3 hours ago, jonmx said:

That is because you are not very bright.  I was responding to your lying bootlicking post.  

Your schtick is old - time for new material.  

You are the epitome of projection and not worth anymore of my time.

[jonmx 2,425]

2 hours ago, mattman7168 said:

Your schtick is old - time for new material.  

You are the epitome of projection and not worth anymore of my time.

What alias asshat did you crawl out of?  

[Hardcore troubadour 15,226]

41 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

anyone want to tell him?

Nah. He doesn’t have much going on. Let him have it. 

[GutterBoy 2,898]

Well you could have taken the stand...

[GutterBoy 2,898]

1:00am ranting about Robert Deniro 

[Alias Detective 1,393]

13 hours ago, squistion said:

I am pretty sure they played that tape during the trial but I can't recall if they made that argument. I think they are allowed to draw a conclusion during the closing arguments they did not make during the trial, but maybe one of the attorneys here can speak to that. 

The prosecutor draws a conclusion and YOU present it as fact.  See how idiotic you are now?