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[jerryskids 6,699]

1 hour ago, OldMaid said:

Why do you hate joy?  

Honestly, I think a lot of people are sick and tired of the doom and gloom/everything’s going to hell politics of the last 10yrs. She might win on joy alone.

I'd like my joy sprinkled with some actual policy details.   

[OldMaid 2,130]

3 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I'd like my joy sprinkled with some actual policy details.   

Sadly, I think politicians have honed in on the fact that most people aren’t policy nerds and the general electorate doesn’t seem to care.

[Strike 5,374]

59 minutes ago, OldMaid said:

 I actually did go back and read it after you gave me about it and also an entire Wikipedia article, too. My opinion did not change. I’m not sure why you’re so insistent that I agree with your stance. 

But hey, thanks for calling me ignorant. I appreciate it!

I'm not insistent on you agreeing with me.  I simply ask people to not to be ignorant when forming opinions.  Last night you admitted you had not read the article.  So you were admittedly, voluntarily ignorant of relevant information.  That is what I give people sh#t about.  I can respect a difference of opinion as long as we're both knowledgeable about the relevant available information.  That is why I often provide links to support my assertions. 

[The Real timschochet 6,582]

9 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I'd like my joy sprinkled with some actual policy details.   

I think your point, as well the article that @Strike posted, misses the reason why Kamala seems to be avoiding some details. It’s not because she’s incompetent or doesn’t know what she’s talking about or trying to conceal a secret socialist agenda. It’s because her shortened campaign gives her an advantage that no other Presidential candidate in recent history has ever had: universal appeal and the ability to be all things to all people. Thats a tremendous edge and the more specific she gets, the more she risks giving it up. If she appears too centrist that will alienate some in her base. If she appears too progressive that will alienate some in the middle. It’s a lose-lose for her whatever she does so it makes sense to be vague. 
 

There is more to this as well that we’ve discussed before. You and me and most people contributing to this thread are unusual in that we follow politics all of the time. As you well know most people don’t. And most people want to feel good, they want a positive outlook and someone and something to look up to. They’re bored by details.  Nobody ever understood this better than Ronald Reagan. Kamala understands it too. 

[OldMaid 2,130]

20 minutes ago, Strike said:

I'm not insistent on you agreeing with me.  I simply ask people to not to be ignorant when forming opinions.  Last night you admitted you had not read the article.  So you were admittedly, voluntarily ignorant of relevant information.  That is what I give people sh#t about.  I can respect a difference of opinion as long as we're both knowledgeable about the relevant available information.  That is why I often provide links to support my assertions. 

You told me I should delete my post over it.  

And again, relevant information-to you. Him changing from the popular vote to the electoral college winner is irrelevant to me. Especially after I thought it over and realized the why.

[jonmx 2,425]

Good lord Tim is dillusional.  Kamala is incompetent, she is a terrible interviewer/debater and they are keeping her and her policies hidden because the unknown is always better than the known.   The leftist kooks can rightly assume Kamala will promote their extremist policies while those in the center will mistakenly believe the lies told by the media which call her a centrist.  Kamala is as centrist as that POS Merrick Garland who the media tried to hoist into the Supreme Court.

The only reason Kamala is allowed to keep her positions secret is because she has the deep state propaganda machine all on her side making up excuses and not demanding anything from her.  They are all scared as hell of the upcoming debate and you can be assured she will know every question beforehand and still screw it up. 

As far as the polls go, Kamala is very much behind.  Even if you believe the polls showing a dead heat, she is 5 to 7 points behind where Biden and Obama were when they won.  A Democrat now needs to win by about 2 percent of the popular vote to win the electoral college.  The latest daily polls are showing a Kamala free fall.

CNN and Quinnipiac polls have been the worst in recent history, missing by an average of an outrageous 6 to 8 percent respectively in recent elections.  They are trying to pump her up in Ohio and Pennsylvania, but the reality is she is in a deep hole which will cost her the election

 The Democrat still have time to allow Trump to be killed, put him in jail on ficticious crimes, or stuff the ballot box.  But Trump may be too strong for any of these deep state corrupt tactics to work.  

 

[The Real timschochet 6,582]

3 minutes ago, jonmx said:

Good lord Tim is dillusional.  Kamala is incompetent, she is a terrible interviewer/debater and they are keeping her and her policies hidden because the unknown is always better than the known.   The leftist kooks can rightly assume Kamala will promote their extremist policies while those in the center will mistakenly believe the lies told by the media which call her a centrist.  Kamala is as centrist as that POS Merrick Garland who the media tried to hoist into the Supreme Court.

The only reason Kamala is allowed to keep her positions secret is because she has the deep state propaganda machine all on her side making up excuses and not demanding anything from her.  They are all scared as hell of the upcoming debate and you can be assured she will know every question beforehand and still screw it up. 

As far as the polls go, Kamala is very much behind.  Even if you believe the polls showing a dead heat, she is 5 to 7 points behind where Biden and Obama were when they won.  A Democrat now needs to win by about 2 percent of the popular vote to win the electoral college.  The latest daily polls are showing a Kamala free fall.

CNN and Quinnipiac polls have been the worst in recent history, missing by an average of an outrageous 6 to 8 percent respectively in recent elections.  They are trying to pump her up in Ohio and Pennsylvania, but the reality is she is in a deep hole which will cost her the election

 The Democrat still have time to allow Trump to be killed, put him in jail on ficticious crimes, or stuff the ballot box.  But Trump may be too strong foe any of these deep state corrupt tactics to work.  

 

Love how you start by calling me delusional and then spew 5 paragraphs of absolute nonsense. 
 

The Democrats still have time to allow Trump to be killed. 
 

This sentence alone indicates you are incapable of rendering sane analysis. And the rest of what you wrote is almost equally as bad. 

[lod001 1,344]

This terdlet is swirling the bowl.  

[The Real timschochet 6,582]

Trump’s sentence in NY delayed until after the election. 

[Mike Honcho 5,250]

14 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Trump’s sentence in NY delayed until after the election. 

Bummer, I wanted to see his campaign commercial's from Rikers.  

[jonmx 2,425]

22 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Love how you start by calling me delusional and then spew 5 paragraphs of absolute nonsense. 
 

The Democrats still have time to allow Trump to be killed. 
 

This sentence alone indicates you are incapable of rendering sane analysis. And the rest of what you wrote is almost equally as bad. 

The big unspoken secret is most Democrats wish the assassin was successful.  What happened in Butler, PA was far more than just gross incompetency, it was intentional neglect.  Biden and his SS leadership wanted Trump assassinated.  There is no other excuse to explain how a $3 billion agency with over 8,000 employees are unable to provide any trained employees to protect Trump when he had known credible  threats against him.  

You keep swallowing the crap the deep state media feeds you.  It fills your brain full of mindless stupidity.  You are 100 percent a group-think imbecile.

[lod001 1,344]

The harris blowjob hag is getting destroyed. Obama & Big Mike are really gonna need to reach down in his cheaters playbook to get elected if he wants that 4th communist term.

https://x.com/ProudElephantUS/status/1832105205430898976

[Horseman 2,438]

Please change the thread title.  Can we get the thread title policemanperson in here @squistion?   

Odds are on the move, Trump -125 now as Trump clearly has the momentum.  It's moved $0.40 since the DNC's horrible convention.  

[Tree of Knowledge 1,789]

57 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Trump’s sentence in NY delayed until after the election. 

Bribing a judge is nasty business.  Sucks to be Kamala.  

[Tree of Knowledge 1,789]

Nast, nasty stuff…bribery?    September surprise.  
 

 

 

 

[jerryskids 6,699]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

I think your point, as well the article that @Strike posted, misses the reason why Kamala seems to be avoiding some details. It’s not because she’s incompetent or doesn’t know what she’s talking about or trying to conceal a secret socialist agenda. It’s because her shortened campaign gives her an advantage that no other Presidential candidate in recent history has ever had: universal appeal and the ability to be all things to all people. Thats a tremendous edge and the more specific she gets, the more she risks giving it up. If she appears too centrist that will alienate some in her base. If she appears too progressive that will alienate some in the middle. It’s a lose-lose for her whatever she does so it makes sense to be vague. 
 

There is more to this as well that we’ve discussed before. You and me and most people contributing to this thread are unusual in that we follow politics all of the time. As you well know most people don’t. And most people want to feel good, they want a positive outlook and someone and something to look up to. They’re bored by details.  Nobody ever understood this better than Ronald Reagan. Kamala understands it too. 

I think it's possible for multiple things to be true at once.

1. She is of questionable competence, has no charisma, and when off-script, spews word salad that sounds like a 5th grader giving a book report on a book she didn't read.

2. She has socialistic tendencies, based on her entire history to date.  To think otherwise is fantasy.

3. Independent of the above, it is a smart strategy to keep her as an unknown, so that as you point out, she can seem like whatever voters want her to be.  Given the above, it's even smarter.

4. As @jonmx pointed out, she has a complicit lap-dog MSM smoothing the way for her.

[jerryskids 6,699]

8 minutes ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

Nast, nasty stuff…bribery?    September surprise.  
 

 

 

 

It boggles my mind that in the United States of America, Merchan can continue to remain on this case.  I guess we're using the Brazil judiciary playbook.   

[Beaker15 236]

4 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

No, normal people tell you that. 

If you truly feel the AP is not biased you are just stupid.  I assume you are trolling again though.

[TrailGuy 554]

5 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

when off-script, spews word salad that sounds like a 5th grader giving a book report on a book she didn't read.

 

 

[Strike 5,374]

17 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

It boggles my mind that in the United States of America, Merchan can continue to remain on this case.  I guess we're using the Brazil judiciary playbook.   

Because in our judicial system we let things go at the lowest level unless there is something especially egregious.  You and I may think so in this case but at this point there is only an appearance of impropriety.  Our system includes an appeals process and once appealed I have no doubt this case will be overturned.  Because we have that process the appeals courts let the lower processes complete before getting involved.  But we all know an upheld conviction was never the point of this prosecution.  It is simply to be able to hold it over Trump during the election.  Once the election is over no one will care about this case.

[jonmx 2,425]

 

The retardedness of comparing Reagan and Kamala is so laughable.  They could not be any more different in their policies and abilities.  Reagan was a master speaker, had a great vision on what he wanted to accomplish, understood the nuances of the issues, and was one of the greatest debaters of the 20th century.  Kamala sounds like an idiot anytime she is asked a question and has to speak off the cuff.  Reagan valued individual freedom, Kamala values state power.  They are completely opposite in every way imaginable.  

[Horseman 2,438]

32 minutes ago, TrailGuy said:

 

Good video, did you listen to it instead of just reading the selectively edited text?  Because the ..... portions taken out answered the question.  

He did ramble a little bit, I'll give you that, nowhere close to a word salad though.  Nice try.  D+ effort.

[The Real timschochet 6,582]

Damn. Amazing:

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4865482-trump-harris-florida-texas-poll/amp/
I see no reason to change the thread title. And after the debate Kamala is only going to surge more. 

[seafoam1 2,909]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Damn. Amazing:

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4865482-trump-harris-florida-texas-poll/amp/
I see no reason to change the thread title. And after the debate Kamala is only going to surge more. 

Oh boy. Timmy is hyped. You should bet on it Timmy. 

[jonmx 2,425]

5 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Oh boy. Timmy is hyped. You should bet on it Timmy. 

Tim will be on suicide watch 15 minutes into the debate.  The handlers will do everything g to try to salvage the complete nonsense Kamala spews, but Americans will see through it.  

[jerryskids 6,699]

52 minutes ago, TrailGuy said:

 

Now post video of Kamala fielding questions.   

[TrailGuy 554]

21 minutes ago, Horseman said:

Good video, did you listen to it instead of just reading the selectively edited text?  Because the ..... portions taken out answered the question.  

He did ramble a little bit, I'll give you that, nowhere close to a word salad though.  Nice try.  D+ effort.

yeah a little bit, just a little.  So rambling and nonsense aside, do you agree with his policy of putting tariffs in place to help pay for childcare?  Who do you think pays those tariffs?  How does the money get to the parents to pay their childcare?  Maybe it's me but I missed that during his thoughtful response.

[steeler6 16]

2 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Now post video of Kamala fielding questions.   

Do those exist?  

[seafoam1 2,909]

3 minutes ago, steeler6 said:

Do those exist?  

No. 

[OldMaid 2,130]

2 minutes ago, TrailGuy said:

yeah a little bit, just a little.  So rambling and nonsense aside, do you agree with his policy of putting tariffs in place to help pay for childcare?  Who do you think pays those tariffs?  How does the money get to the parents to pay their childcare?  Maybe it's me but I missed that during his thoughtful response.

Quote

Pretty much everyone writing about this moment has passed over Trump's references to Rubio (R-Fla.) and to his own daughter Ivanka, probably because they seemed to come completely out of left field.

But they're an important clue to what was really going through Trump's mind. In 2018, you see, Rubio and Ivanka actually put forward a proposal for paid family leave.

It was a horrible idea with a veneer of practicality. It looked like an answer to an issue facing new families, but in fact it would undermine their financial position for life.

The idea was to allow new parents, including adoptive parents, to receive up to 12 weeks of paid family leave. That sounds pretty good so far: The idea of paid family leave was (and is) enormously popular with voters, and providing it to American families would finally bring the U.S. into line with every other high-income nation in the world.

But in the proposal by Rubio and Ivanka Trump, families would have to raid their Social Security to pay for it by reducing or delaying their retirement benefits. As the Urban Institute calculated, for every 12-week leave, new parents would have to delay their Social Security benefits by more than twice that period, or as much as six months.

Parents who took four 12-week leaves, according to this analysis, would lose 10% of their retirement benefits, for life.

Found this as a possible more in depth explanation of what he might have meant. 

[Fireballer 2,641]

“Momentum”

 

[jerryskids 6,699]

36 minutes ago, Strike said:

Because in our judicial system we let things go at the lowest level unless there is something especially egregious.  You and I may think so in this case but at this point there is only an appearance of impropriety.  Our system includes an appeals process and once appealed I have no doubt this case will be overturned.  Because we have that process the appeals courts let the lower processes complete before getting involved.  But we all know an upheld conviction was never the point of this prosecution.  It is simply to be able to hold it over Trump during the election.  Once the election is over no one will care about this case.

Fair enough.  I have certainly stated the bolded multiple times here.  It's so simps like @Pimpadeaux can call him a convicted felon%$#@!  

Anyway, it seems like there should be mechanisms to compel judges to recuse themselves before going through all of this.  But perhaps you are correct and it just needs to run its course.

 

[The Real timschochet 6,582]

41 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

“Momentum”

 

Yeah he seems to be the outlier this time around. Which is fine. I don’t understand his logic as I can’t find any decline in polls, especially in the swing states. He keeps mentioning it but what poll is he referring to that has a decline? 
I’ll never oppose the facts. You show me where the decline is and I’ll note it. But again I don’t see it. 
 

I will, however, change the title to a question mark. 

[Horseman 2,438]

36 minutes ago, TrailGuy said:

yeah a little bit, just a little.  So rambling and nonsense aside, do you agree with his policy of putting tariffs in place to help pay for childcare?  Who do you think pays those tariffs?  How does the money get to the parents to pay their childcare?  Maybe it's me but I missed that during his thoughtful response.

Now you're going to switch to complaining that Trump wasn't specific enough?   Oh the irony!   LOL  

31 minutes ago, OldMaid said:

Found this as a possible more in depth explanation of what he might have meant. 

I like that idea for specifics.  WA state is making all the tax payers pay for it out over everyone's paycheck.  I'd much rather the people who want to have kids pay for their own kids.  They get enough tax breaks and everything else as is.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,002]

6 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Yeah he seems to be the outlier this time around. Which is fine. I don’t understand his logic as I can’t find any decline in polls, especially in the swing states. He keeps mentioning it but what poll is he referring to that has a decline? 
I’ll never oppose the facts. You show me where the decline is and I’ll note it. But again I don’t see it. 
 

I will, however, change the title to a question mark. 

Which, of course, is weird because when Silver says things that are in your favor, you scream to the heavens on how historically reliable and better he is than all other pollsters.  I remember in the other forum how high you were on this guy.  In fact, you wouldn't STFU about him.

Now that he's not saying things you like, you don't believe a word he's saying and now suddenly "the outlier". 

[Horseman 2,438]

Losing ground in the polls and the betting odds switching to Trump as the favorite isn't momentum slowing.  

[The Real timschochet 6,582]

8 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Which, of course, is weird because when Silver says things that are in your favor, you scream to the heavens on how historically reliable and better he is than all other pollsters.  I remember in the other forum how high you were on this guy.  In fact, you wouldn't STFU about him.

Now that he's not saying things you like, you don't believe a word he's saying and now suddenly "the outlier". 

I like him. But what he says has to make sense to me. I don’t look at him like some sort of Nostradamus. I try to understand his reasoning. Here I don’t. 
 

And @EternalShinyAndChrome, while I am generally an optimist I’m not one when it comes to political outcomes. What I want to have happen rarely occurs. In this case I have reason to believe that it will and so I’m excited by that. But if Trump wins that won’t surprise me either. And we’ll survive it. 

[OldMaid 2,130]

12 minutes ago, Horseman said:

I like that idea for specifics.  WA state is making all the tax payers pay for it out over everyone's paycheck.  I'd much rather the people who want to have kids pay for their own kids.  They get enough tax breaks and everything else as is.

As a childless cat lady  , I can’t say I disagree, but I’m not sure taking it out of their SS is the right answer.

[The Real timschochet 6,582]

5 minutes ago, Horseman said:

Losing ground in the polls and the betting odds switching to Trump as the favorite isn't momentum slowing.  

1. Where has she lost ground? Show me something please. 
2. Two weeks ago she was the betting favorite  by a couple of points. Now a few betting sites have Trump the favorite by a couple of points and others have Kamala the favorite by a couple of points. But basically since she’s been in the race, the bettors have them both at 50-50. So what’s changed? 

[Strike 5,374]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

1. Where has she lost ground? Show me something please. 
2. Two weeks ago she was the betting favorite  by a couple of points. Now a few betting sites have Trump the favorite by a couple of points and others have Kamala the favorite by a couple of points. But basically since she’s been in the race, the bettors have them both at 50-50. So what’s changed? 

In polls.  That's where.   FFS.