Trump talk only- no Eagles talk allowed (Steelers talk is OK though)

[Gepetto 1,368]

35 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Anyone want to fact check this utter bullshat?

 

She died from having an abortion. Abortion pills she took did not work as intended (well they did kill her baby) but also causing fetal parts to be left behind causing an infection. Also, Georgia has the ability to adjust their laws.

https://www.propublica.org/article/georgia-abortion-ban-amber-thurman-death

So I would argue this death should be attributed to Kamala Harris and others' pro-abortion stance.

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

11 hours ago, supermike80 said:

Right now if i had to guess id say Kamala wins.  The democrat machine ia humming pretty well and they have the media completely on their side.  Trump isnt helping himself either.

I'd still say Trump wins. If you account for the margins of error they were off in 2016 and 2020 her lead isn't big enough to win.

Now I have read some methodologies of the voting polling taking place and seen some stuff where the pollsters say they are accounting for hidden Trump voters but no idea if their methodology is foolproof just yet. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,439]

11 hours ago, supermike80 said:

Right now if i had to guess id say Kamala wins.  The democrat machine ia humming pretty well and they have the media completely on their side.  Trump isnt helping himself either.

I concur. It’s too much to overcome. But she’s a disaster. 

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

12 hours ago, Fireballer said:

Anyone want to fact check this utter bullshat?

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/amber-nicole-thurman-abortion-death-georgia-b2614314.html- a state committee of 10 doctors say her death was preventable. "Thurman, a medical assistant, was taken to Piedmont Henry Hospital in a suburb of Atlanta after she vomited blood and passed out in 2022, ProPublica reports. Doctors discovered Thurman had taken abortion medication and developed a rare complication in which there was some fetal tissue left in her uterus, according to the outlet’s investigation. 

At that point, Thurman needed a procedure called dilation and curettage, which would allow doctors to remove the rest of the tissue, ProPublica reports. But Georgia had recently passed a law making the procedure a felony with few exceptions.

Doctors delayed Thurman’s care and finally operated 20 hours after she arrived at the hospital, according to ProPublica. She died on the operating table."

https://www.newsweek.com/amber-thurman-death-abortion-spotlight-georgia-1955516- ""President Trump has always supported exceptions for rape, incest, and the life of the mother, which Georgia's law provides," Karoline Leavitt, Trump spokesperson, said in a statement to the Associated Press. "With those exceptions in place, it's unclear why doctors did not swiftly act to protect Amber Thurman's life."

 

Without looking up the Georgia law (but I'll take the quote from Trump's spokesperson at face value) perhaps they could have operated under the exceptions clause but still the fact that there is a law on the books makes it a little bit more of process as they would almost assuredly need to make sure they are legally in the clear for doing the procedure before doing it and that creates some extended time in all of this. 

[Mike Honcho 5,283]

16 hours ago, jerryskids said:

Do you have a link to the polls which add in a "hidden Trump voter" factor?

I absolutely believe it is a factor, but I'd like to know how they add it to their polls.

Many social circles, and social media circles, would ostracize you if you openly supported Trump.  Young men in particular are not going to tell their GFs that they are voting for Trump.  This clearly impacts the polls, which while they claim to be anonymous, many people choose not to risk it.  Supporting Trump is like Fight Club.  Rule 1:  you don't talk about voting for Trump.

The amount of such hidden voters, well, that is the question.   

With math, duh.  I can't believe you went to MIT.  

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

Should also be pointed out that if Kamala wins it isn't going to be because of "the Democratic machine." That is going to be the lie spread by Trump and his minions and so many MAGA people here will buy it hook, line, and sinker because they are the type of people who blame everyone else for their shortcomings as well. 

The real reason will be because the GOP once again ran out a very unlikable Presidential candidate against a very disliked current regime. Nikki Haley, Ron Desantis, Chris Christie, hell even like Doug Burgum or Mike Pence are as comfortably cruising to be the President as one can in the 2024 political voting cycles. Sending Trump out again in 2024 is the equivalent of had the Panthers sent out Bryce Young for week 3. 

Instead the GOP ran out a "me first" dipsh!t who is polarizing in every way- even beyond political divides- and who is more interested in making sure people recognize how aggrieved he is as opposed to championing what he did. Again- the guy was shot at and didn't get a sustained polling bump from it. 

[MDC 7,431]

11 hours ago, supermike80 said:

Right now if i had to guess id say Kamala wins.  The democrat machine ia humming pretty well and they have the media completely on their side.  Trump isnt helping himself either.

I’d still call it a coin flip. I think Kamala is a lock to win the popular vote but it comes down to swing states and the GOP has a huge advantage in the EC. She’s also an empty suit. If Trump would be running away with it if he didn’t make so many bad mistakes and unforced errors. Both these candidates focking suck.

[The Psychic Observer 498]

Kamala Harris now has a net favorability rating.  More people like her than dislike her.  It's been a steady climb since Joe Biden dropped out.

Compare this to Donald Trump who still sits well under 50%

Running against a vile human being and coming off as a good person has worked.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/favorability/kamala-harris/

[jerryskids 6,799]

1 hour ago, Mike Honcho said:

With math, duh.  I can't believe you went to MIT.  

 

[jerryskids 6,799]

1 hour ago, Sean Mooney said:

Should also be pointed out that if Kamala wins it isn't going to be because of "the Democratic machine." That is going to be the lie spread by Trump and his minions and so many MAGA people here will buy it hook, line, and sinker because they are the type of people who blame everyone else for their shortcomings as well. 

The real reason will be because the GOP once again ran out a very unlikable Presidential candidate against a very disliked current regime. Nikki Haley, Ron Desantis, Chris Christie, hell even like Doug Burgum or Mike Pence are as comfortably cruising to be the President as one can in the 2024 political voting cycles. Sending Trump out again in 2024 is the equivalent of had the Panthers sent out Bryce Young for week 3. 

Instead the GOP ran out a "me first" dipsh!t who is polarizing in every way- even beyond political divides- and who is more interested in making sure people recognize how aggrieved he is as opposed to championing what he did. Again- the guy was shot at and didn't get a sustained polling bump from it. 

Multiple things can be true at once.

[Fireballer 2,642]

1 hour ago, Sean Mooney said:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/amber-nicole-thurman-abortion-death-georgia-b2614314.html- a state committee of 10 doctors say her death was preventable. "Thurman, a medical assistant, was taken to Piedmont Henry Hospital in a suburb of Atlanta after she vomited blood and passed out in 2022, ProPublica reports. Doctors discovered Thurman had taken abortion medication and developed a rare complication in which there was some fetal tissue left in her uterus, according to the outlet’s investigation. 

At that point, Thurman needed a procedure called dilation and curettage, which would allow doctors to remove the rest of the tissue, ProPublica reports. But Georgia had recently passed a law making the procedure a felony with few exceptions.

Doctors delayed Thurman’s care and finally operated 20 hours after she arrived at the hospital, according to ProPublica. She died on the operating table."

https://www.newsweek.com/amber-thurman-death-abortion-spotlight-georgia-1955516- ""President Trump has always supported exceptions for rape, incest, and the life of the mother, which Georgia's law provides," Karoline Leavitt, Trump spokesperson, said in a statement to the Associated Press. "With those exceptions in place, it's unclear why doctors did not swiftly act to protect Amber Thurman's life."

 

Without looking up the Georgia law (but I'll take the quote from Trump's spokesperson at face value) perhaps they could have operated under the exceptions clause but still the fact that there is a law on the books makes it a little bit more of process as they would almost assuredly need to make sure they are legally in the clear for doing the procedure before doing it and that creates some extended time in all of this. 

This wasnt an abortion.  If you’re a practicing OB doc near Atlanta, and don’t know what the definition of abortion is in your state, you’re an idiot. This definition existed way before Roe was overturned. Its malpractice plain and simple. Did you also notice in your research the the only verbiage used from the medical board’s investigation was “preventable”? I wonder why?

[thegeneral 3,214]

The smell of desperation is palpable 

 

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

18 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

This wasnt an abortion.  If you’re a practicing OB doc near Atlanta, and don’t know what the definition of abortion is in your state, you’re an idiot. This definition existed way before Roe was overturned. Its malpractice plain and simple. Did you also notice in your research the the only verbiage used from the medical board’s investigation was “preventable”? I wonder why?

I mean I specifically mentioned the word "preventable" in what I posted so yes I did see it. I would venture it was preventable because if she had been operated on in hour 4 her chance of survival would've increased. 

Again- I'm not sure the complete write up and legalese of the Georgia bill (I'd venture you are not as well) but it would most likely fall under the category of "abortion" because it came from an abortion related event. And without seeing how the law is written up it could be written in such a way that makes it murky.

It also isn't about "being an idiot"- any surgical procedure where there is a murky legal ground will require that to go through the legal channels at the hospital to make sure they are clear. No hospital is going to allow a procedure to go through that walks a legal line without checking that they have a solid legal footing. 

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

40 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Multiple things can be true at once.

Creating boogeymen like Trump does isn't true. It is deflecting blame.

[Reality 3,121]

37 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

This wasnt an abortion.  If you’re a practicing OB doc near Atlanta, and don’t know what the definition of abortion is in your state, you’re an idiot. This definition existed way before Roe was overturned. Its malpractice plain and simple. Did you also notice in your research the the only verbiage used from the medical board’s investigation was “preventable”? I wonder why?

Liberals gonna liberal.

[Strike 5,553]

Polling data @The Real timschochet won't post in this thread:

https://news.gallup.com/poll/650774/favorable-ratings-harris-trump-remain.aspx?utm_source=alert&utm_medium=email&utm_content=morelink&utm_campaign=syndication

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

Yes we should definitely trust the managing editor of the Babylon Bee. 

People just looking stupid for scrolling Twitter and believing whatever some dipsh!t says on there

[edjr 6,592]

If she lived, I would have proudly tried to put a baby in her

[The Real timschochet 6,769]

5 minutes ago, Strike said:

Polling data @The Real timschochet won't post in this thread:

https://news.gallup.com/poll/650774/favorable-ratings-harris-trump-remain.aspx?utm_source=alert&utm_medium=email&utm_content=morelink&utm_campaign=syndication

Because I don’t cherry pick. I’m looking at aggregate polling. 538, etc. Isn’t that what you lectured me to do? As far as favorability ratings most polls show hers has risen and his has not. I’m sure you know this. 

[The Real timschochet 6,769]

Just now, edjr said:

If she lived, I would have proudly tried to put a baby in her

Creepy dude. You sound like Elon. 

[edjr 6,592]

4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Creepy dude. You sound like Elon. 

I wouldn't expect a liberal beta guy to understand. You're excused. 

[The Psychic Observer 498]

8 minutes ago, Strike said:

Polling data @The Real timschochet won't post in this thread:

https://news.gallup.com/poll/650774/favorable-ratings-harris-trump-remain.aspx?utm_source=alert&utm_medium=email&utm_content=morelink&utm_campaign=syndication

This is called cherry picking data.  It's when you present outlier data as truth while ignoring the rest of the data set.

Earlier I posted favorability numbers for Kamala Harris that were positive.  I posted a link to a site called 538, it's a poll aggregator.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/favorability/kamala-harris/

You can see her favorability is positive while Trump's is negative.  You can also scroll down and see the Gallup poll that you shared as the outlier, along with a few others which are less outliers and a bit older.  You can see 13 positive polls the past few weeks.

Always good to get the big picture and I recommend you visit 538 in the future.

 

[Strike 5,553]

3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Because I don’t cherry pick. I’m looking at aggregate polling. 538, etc. Isn’t that what you lectured me to do? As far as favorability ratings most polls show hers has risen and his has not. I’m sure you know this. 

You focking liar.  I actually had to call you out when you posted a single poll, and *I* posted the link to 538 showing that, in fact, the aggregate showed the OPPOSITE of what you posted.  And your response:  "538 will CATCH UP EVENTUALLY."  Now suddenly you believe 538?????  GTFOH.  As Jerry likes to say, you're not a serious poster. 

[Reality 3,121]

12 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Yes we should definitely trust the managing editor of the Babylon Bee. 

People just looking stupid for scrolling Twitter and believing whatever some dipsh!t says on there

Which part is false?

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

5 minutes ago, Reality said:

Which part is false?

Everything after the name of the woman and that she died. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,439]

20 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

Yes we should definitely trust the managing editor of the Babylon Bee. 

People just looking stupid for scrolling Twitter and believing whatever some dipsh!t says on there

Pot/three fingers

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

Pot/three fingers

Can you cry again how I don't leave you alone on here while you follow me around?

[zsasz 369]

2 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

Should also be pointed out that if Kamala wins it isn't going to be because of "the Democratic machine." That is going to be the lie spread by Trump and his minions and so many MAGA people here will buy it hook, line, and sinker because they are the type of people who blame everyone else for their shortcomings as well. 

The real reason will be because the GOP once again ran out a very unlikable Presidential candidate against a very disliked current regime. Nikki Haley, Ron Desantis, Chris Christie, hell even like Doug Burgum or Mike Pence are as comfortably cruising to be the President as one can in the 2024 political voting cycles. Sending Trump out again in 2024 is the equivalent of had the Panthers sent out Bryce Young for week 3. 

Instead the GOP ran out a "me first" dipsh!t who is polarizing in every way- even beyond political divides- and who is more interested in making sure people recognize how aggrieved he is as opposed to championing what he did. Again- the guy was shot at and didn't get a sustained polling bump from it. 

 

They envisioned him as a role model with cool hair, a hot wife and a gold toilet and who told "it" like it is....although "it" was often at odds with the way they were raised as to what was important in being a good human being.  Hopefully they've learned their lesson and dump him so us centrists can go back to seeing the Republican Party as a viable alternative.  

[Fireballer 2,642]

Could the research experts provide some context please?

 

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

1 minute ago, Fireballer said:

Could the research experts provide some context please?

 

You have a computer right?

[The Real timschochet 6,769]

14 minutes ago, Strike said:

You focking liar.  I actually had to call you out when you posted a single poll, and *I* posted the link to 538 showing that, in fact, the aggregate showed the OPPOSITE of what you posted.  And your response:  "538 will CATCH UP EVENTUALLY."  Now suddenly you believe 538?????  GTFOH.  As Jerry likes to say, you're not a serious poster. 

Yes you reminded me of that comment dozens of times, so I took your advice. Now I look at aggregate polls. You were right then. Why are you choosing to ignore them now and cherry pick? 

[purdygood 352]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

Pot/three fingers

Three fingers? Like the Shocker?

[RLLD 4,230]

On 8/17/2024 at 6:22 AM, Dizkneelande said:

Kamala has now made a total of four policy proposals since becoming the nominee:

4) Giving new homeowners $25K down payments, which will make housing more expensive due to subsidizing demand

This is bad, it demonstrates how Democrats se hand outs to buy votes at the expense of the people they pretend to care about.  She is either evil or fiscally illiterate.

By way of example, lets say someone decides to buy a home for $325k using that $25 credit to get it.
So now they are buying the home at $300k at say 7%, which then results in a monthly payment of about $1991

If instead, the morons in the Democrat party STOPPED pumping money into the system, and let inflation be dealt with.....stopped perverting the markets to buy votes.....and rates dropped to say 3.25%, they save about $575 a month, or  $200k over the life of the loan.....

Home ownership has always been a solid path to generate wealth, and the Democrats happily steal that wealth to buy votes and win elections.....so they can employ policies that continually harm people.....because they are focking stupid as hell....
 

[The Real timschochet 6,769]

So Trump is losing and he knows it. And he also knows that if he loses he’s likely eventually going to prison for the rest of his life. 
 

It’s already ugly but expect it to get far far worse. Expect something shocking to happen I don’t know what. But something big will come and it will be unpleasant. Trump will not go down quietly. 

[The Real timschochet 6,769]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

This is bad, it demonstrates how Democrats se hand outs to buy votes at the expense of the people they pretend to care about.  She is either evil or fiscally illiterate.

By way of example, lets say someone decides to buy a home for $325k using that $25 credit to get it.
So now they are buying the home at $300k at say 7%, which then results in a monthly payment of about $1991

If instead, the morons in the Democrat party STOPPED pumping money into the system, and let inflation be dealt with.....stopped perverting the markets to buy votes.....and rates dropped to say 3.25%, they save about $575 a month, or  $200k over the life of the loan.....

Home ownership has always been a solid path to generate wealth, and the Democrats happily steal that wealth to buy votes and win elections.....so they can employ policies that continually harm people.....because they are focking stupid as hell....
 

This post ignores that Republicans have been giving away money for decades and that Trump is promising to do more of the same. The only difference is who the money is being given to. 

[Fireballer 2,642]

57 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

I mean I specifically mentioned the word "preventable" in what I posted so yes I did see it. I would venture it was preventable because if she had been operated on in hour 4 her chance of survival would've increased. 

Again- I'm not sure the complete write up and legalese of the Georgia bill (I'd venture you are not as well) but it would most likely fall under the category of "abortion" because it came from an abortion related event. And without seeing how the law is written up it could be written in such a way that makes it murky.

It also isn't about "being an idiot"- any surgical procedure where there is a murky legal ground will require that to go through the legal channels at the hospital to make sure they are clear. No hospital is going to allow a procedure to go through that walks a legal line without checking that they have a solid legal footing. 

Georgia had a 22 week abortion ban previously.  The definition of abortion is clear now and it was clear then. Nothing changed but the time paremeters.  The definition is clearly written in statute.  There was no live pregnancy to abort.  The only thing murky is the articles you linked.  Anyone that uses the term “stripped constitutional rights” when referring to Roe overturn is an activist, not a journalist.  HTH

[RLLD 4,230]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

This post ignores that Republicans have been giving away money for decades and that Trump is promising to do more of the same. The only difference is who the money is being given to. 

It does not, it points to the way Democrats have abused this authority since Biden took office when it was EASILY avoidable.....and the only reason it is not even worse is that Manchin saved the dullards from their own stupidity when it was clear the problem was present, but they tried to force a galactically stupid bill which he stopped....thank god.

If you are bleeding, as we were, you DO NOT make the cut wider no matter what.

[purdygood 352]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

This post ignores that Republicans have been giving away money for decades and that Trump is promising to do more of the same. The only difference is who the money is being given to. 

If Kansas has a Tornado "Federal aid will be given immediately no questions asked. Dorothy, how much to you need? Because you voted for me. And that witch, the wicked one. Such a shame, she has supported me for many many years."

If California has a Earthquake "You know, we need to examine how much Federal aid we send to California, Gavin should have done more, maybe if the Federal forests were raked this wouldn't have happened. Many people are saying. Many people."

[Sean Mooney 1,983]

8 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Georgia had a 22 week abortion ban previously.  The definition of abortion is clear now and it was clear then. Nothing changed but the time paremeters.  The definition is clearly written in statute.  There was no live pregnancy to abort.  The only thing murky is the articles you linked.  Anyone that uses the term “stripped constitutional rights” when referring to Roe overturn is an activist, not a journalist.  HTH

Georgia changed their abortion law to 6 weeks in 2022 on July 20th. There is the thing still about the life of the mother- I'm not disputing that. I'm saying that by changing the language and some parameters (which the 2022 bill did) it creates more legal hurdles to run through before surgeries. 

Also, none of the articles I linked used the phrase "stripped constitutional rights." Perhaps Propublica did which- yeah that is heavily left- no sh!t. Kamala may have....of course she will paint the extreme. 

[Fireballer 2,642]

10 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said:

I'm saying that by changing the language and some parameters (which the 2022 bill did) it creates more legal hurdles to run through before surgeries. 

Also, none of the articles I linked used the phrase "stripped constitutional rights.

What changed?  What additional legal hurdles were put into place?  
 

Also, I was wrong, your Newsweek article didn’t say “stripping constitutional rights”.  It says “stripping constitutional protections”. Its literally  in the 2nd paragraph.  I stand by my assertion, or we  splitting hairs over rights/protections?