Trump talk only- no Eagles talk allowed (Steelers talk is OK though)

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35 minutes ago, Strike said:

Well, coincidentally, the judge won tomorrow's $1 Million dollar prize.

WHAT A TWIST!!

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"Bacon is a Spice."

[Reality 3,097]

NYT taking late shots at Kamala, my God this woman is a focking idiot.

https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1853529932619465087

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I heard today that the 2020 census overcounted primarily blue states, and undercounted red states.  This significantly impacted the number of electors in these states -- a 5 seat swing in favor of Democrats. 

The following is from a letter from the House Oversight Committee to the Director of the Census in September this year.  Yeah, it's James Comer, so ad hominem away.  But if this is true, and Trump loses in a close election... the MSM still won't report it.  And it might be an example of true cheating, brushed under the rug while people waste their time on Dominion vote counts.   

I expect the usual folks here to respond with some sort of "election denier already!" tripe, but I thought this was interesting.

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However, the Census Bureau’s 2020 Post-Enumeration Survey (“PES”)—designed “to measure the accuracy of” the decennial census—identified significant errors in the counts of numerous states.3  Significantly, these errors likely led to an erroneous apportionment of representatives among the states.4   Even relatively small differences in population count can affect congressional representation,5 as a single congressional seat cannot be divided among multiple states.  Undercounts or overcounts can be the deciding factor between a state gaining or losing an additional representative in its delegation.  

The 2020 PES identified statistically significant overcounts in New York, Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Hawaii, Delaware, Minnesota, Utah, and Ohio, while finding undercounts in states like Texas, Florida, Mississippi, Arkansas, Tennessee, and Illinois.6  Of the eight states overcounted in the 2020 Census, six states have typically voted for electors for the Democratic Party candidate in presidential elections for the last three decades.7  Of the six states undercounted in the 2020 Census, all but one have tended to vote for electors for the Republican Party candidate in elections over the same time period.8  

Because of the 2020 Census’s failure to accurately count, Colorado gained a seat it did not deserve, Rhode Island and Minnesota kept seats they should have lost, and Texas and Florida were not awarded seats they should have gained.9  No states had statistically significant miscounts in the 2010 Census.10  The Census Bureau must explain the marked discrepancies in the 2020 Census, especially when compared to the 2010 Census. 

https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/Letter-to-Census-091824.pdf

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3 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I heard today that the 2020 census overcounted primarily blue states, and undercounted red states.  This significantly impacted the number of electors in these states -- a 5 seat swing in favor of Democrats. 

The following is from a letter from the House Oversight Committee to the Director of the Census in September this year.  Yeah, it's James Comer, so ad hominem away.  But if this is true, and Trump loses in a close election... the MSM still won't report it.  And it might be an example of true cheating, brushed under the rug while people waste their time on Dominion vote counts.   

I expect the usual folks here to respond with some sort of "election denier already!" tripe, but I thought this was interesting.

https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/Letter-to-Census-091824.pdf

Capping the House at the 435 isn't a smart idea.  The ratio of Constitutents to a Representative isn't even remotely in line with the ratio the Founders came up with.  

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2 minutes ago, zsasz said:

Capping the House at the 435 isn't a smart idea.  The ratio of Constitutents to a Representative isn't even remotely in line with the ratio the Founders came up with.  

I'm not following; are you saying there should be more constituents overall, because of the huge population increase since the founding?

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1 hour ago, Fireballer said:

You wouldnt as in she doesn’t have a plan to do so?

If she does it’s nothing I want to explain. 

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4 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I'm not following; are you saying there should be more constituents overall, because of the huge population increase since the founding?

When the House was formed; the ratio of Constitutents to Representatives was something like 1 for every (approx) 30,000 constituents.  It grew thru the years until it was capped at 435 at the turn of the 20th Century.  Now it sits at 1 for every (approx) 750,000 constituents with this shifting in seats based on areas of population growth/reduction.

 

For something that was designed to be (basically) the House of the People....it doesn't do a good job of effectively representing The People.  

 

 

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8 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

If she does it’s nothing I want to explain. 

It’s OK Tim, if she wins, it will quickly be obvious that she was flat out lying to seem more moderate.  

[jerryskids 6,567]

7 minutes ago, zsasz said:

When the House was formed; the ratio of Constitutents to Representatives was something like 1 for every (approx) 30,000 constituents.  It grew thru the years until it was capped at 435 at the turn of the 20th Century.  Now it sits at 1 for every (approx) 750,000 constituents with this shifting in seats based on areas of population growth/reduction.

 

For something that was designed to be (basically) the House of the People....it doesn't do a good job of effectively representing The People.  

 

 

I misspoke with "constituents," I should have said "representatives."  

With that in mind, are you saying that there should be more representatives, or that the electoral process should be replaced with a popular vote?  

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Trump rally crowds dwindle while Harris packs 'em in.

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/donald-trumps-rally-sizes-dwindling-220032613.html

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Before former President Donald Trump was set to take the stage Monday at a North Carolina rally, MSNBC cameras panned Dorton Arena, which seats 7,600, and showed empty seats and seemingly bored rallygoers. Five minutes after the rally was set to start, reporter Vaughn Hillyard said the arena in the battleground state was about 70% full.

“For nine years we have talked about the enthusiasm and the masses that have come out for Trump rallies time and again, even at his politically lowest points, including in 2022,” Hillyard said. “But interestingly, and I can’t tell you exactly why, this final week, we have seen far smaller crowds.”

If the pollsters (and even astrologers) are correct, it’s because Trump is on a downslide as the exceedingly close race comes to a close.

And at Trump’s Monday rally in Reading, Pennsylvania, it was no different. David Corn, the Washington bureau chief for Mother Jones magazine, shared a photo on social media and called the arena, which has a capacity of 8,800, “mostly empty.”

The smaller crowd is probably a shot to the ego for Trump, who regularly brags about how big his rallies are. On Saturday night, he told a rally crowd in Greensboro, North Carolina, that he’s had “the biggest rallies in history of any country.”

“Every rally is full. You don’t have any seats that are empty,” Trump said.

As soon as Trump said that, a camera operator for NTD Television Network panned out to show quite a few empty seats at First Horizon Coliseum, which holds 22,000. That night, NewsNation campaign reporter Libbey Dean posted a video on social media of the arena an hour into Trump’s rally. The entire back of the arena was empty.

 

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51 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I heard today that the 2020 census overcounted primarily blue states, and undercounted red states.  This significantly impacted the number of electors in these states -- a 5 seat swing in favor of Democrats. 

The following is from a letter from the House Oversight Committee to the Director of the Census in September this year.  Yeah, it's James Comer, so ad hominem away.  But if this is true, and Trump loses in a close election... the MSM still won't report it.  And it might be an example of true cheating, brushed under the rug while people waste their time on Dominion vote counts.   

I expect the usual folks here to respond with some sort of "election denier already!" tripe, but I thought this was interesting.

https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/Letter-to-Census-091824.pdf

who else is claiming this other than Comer? And where is he getting his claim anyway? I actually did the census in 2020, like door to door. One thing that stood out to me was the number of Republicans that refused to answer any questions. They just wanted to stay under the radar, for whatever reason. Sometimes, I would just say, its about establishing needs for services in the area, etc., but no go. The whole thing is a guide, not exact. It comes down to who responds. How is Comer firm in the claim it is inaccurate in one way or another?

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57 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I heard today that the 2020 census overcounted primarily blue states, and undercounted red states.  This significantly impacted the number of electors in these states -- a 5 seat swing in favor of Democrats. 

The following is from a letter from the House Oversight Committee to the Director of the Census in September this year.  Yeah, it's James Comer, so ad hominem away.  But if this is true, and Trump loses in a close election... the MSM still won't report it.  And it might be an example of true cheating, brushed under the rug while people waste their time on Dominion vote counts.   

I expect the usual folks here to respond with some sort of "election denier already!" tripe, but I thought this was interesting.

https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024/09/Letter-to-Census-091824.pdf

Wasn’t that the Census that Trump tried to fock with? It would be pretty funny if that was why he lost tomorrow.

https://www.npr.org/2022/01/15/1073338121/2020-census-interference-trump

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5 minutes ago, Death said:

Trump rally crowds dwindle while Harris packs 'em in.

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/donald-trumps-rally-sizes-dwindling-220032613.html

 

A hack HuffPost article which references another HuffPost article about astrologers picking Kamala?  Perhaps your brain is in retrograde, Rusty.   

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4 minutes ago, OldMaid said:

Wasn’t that the Census that Trump tried to fock with? It would be pretty funny if that was why he lost tomorrow.

https://www.npr.org/2022/01/15/1073338121/2020-census-interference-trump

Interesting, thanks.  This seems like the crux:

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Despite the 14th Amendment's requirement to include the "whole number of persons in each state," Trump wanted to exclude unauthorized immigrants from the census counts used to reallocate each state's share of congressional seats and electoral votes.

I'm not a lawyer, but the NPR being a hack Leftist propaganda media outlet that my tax dollars subsidize, I'd say their interpretation of the amendment is... lacking.

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Section 1.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Section 2.
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/14th-amendment#:~:text=No State shall make or,Section 2.

It's clear from Section 1 that the "whole number of persons" in section two refers to slaves, not illegal immigrants.  

That being said, if illegal immigrants count in the census, that is pretty close to letting them vote, given our electoral college system.   

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1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

I misspoke with "constituents," I should have said "representatives."  

With that in mind, are you saying that there should be more representatives, or that the electoral process should be replaced with a popular vote?  

There should be more Representatives in the House of Representatives. This would give more "good" power to the everyday people. The ratio of Reps to people is WAY off and not in line with the Framers thought up.  

The Electoral College should not be abolished.  This would give too much "bad" power to the everyday people. 

In all honesty, I'm not opposed to getting rid of the Seventeenth Amendment and removing the direct election, by the people, of U.S. Senators.  This MIGHT kick back a little more power to the States.  

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23 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Interesting, thanks.  This seems like the crux:

I'm not a lawyer, but the NPR being a hack Leftist propaganda media outlet that my tax dollars subsidize, I'd say their interpretation of the amendment is... lacking.

https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/14th-amendment#:~:text=No State shall make or,Section 2.

It's clear from Section 1 that the "whole number of persons" in section two refers to slaves, not illegal immigrants.  

That being said, if illegal immigrants count in the census, that is pretty close to letting them vote, given our electoral college system.   

Yes, Jerry, illegals are counted in the Census. Whether or not it has a big impact on the apportionment of House seats and Electoral College votes, is debatable.

https://www.factcheck.org/2024/03/elon-musk-overstates-partisan-impact-of-illegal-immigration-on-house-apportionment/

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I wonder what the surprise could be  

https://x.com/RubenRodInSa/status/1853249950089408951?s=19

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2 minutes ago, OldMaid said:

Yes, Jerry, illegals are counted in the Census. Whether or not it has a big impact on the apportionment of House seats and Electoral College votes, is debatable.

 

https://www.factcheck.org/2024/03/elon-musk-overstates-partisan-impact-of-illegal-immigration-on-house-apportionment/

Considering 22 million people have crossed the border and have been sent mostly to battle ground states, I would say yes, it's going to make a difference.

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1 minute ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

Considering 22 million people have crossed the border and have been sent mostly to battle ground states, I would say yes, it's going to make a difference.

Maybe Abbot should have left them in Texas, then.

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1 hour ago, Fireballer said:

It’s OK Tim, if she wins, it will quickly be obvious that she was flat out lying to seem more moderate.  

When it comes to this topic I suspect your definition of “moderate” might be different from mine. 

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1 hour ago, Herbivore said:

who else is claiming this other than Comer? And where is he getting his claim anyway? I actually did the census in 2020, like door to door. One thing that stood out to me was the number of Republicans that refused to answer any questions. They just wanted to stay under the radar, for whatever reason. Sometimes, I would just say, its about establishing needs for services in the area, etc., but no go. The whole thing is a guide, not exact. It comes down to who responds. How is Comer firm in the claim it is inaccurate in one way or another?

Sorry I missed this initially. The answer to your first two questions is in the first paragraph of the link I provided. 

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5 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Sorry I missed this initially. The answer to your first two questions is in the first paragraph of the link I provided. 

this paragraph?

The Committee on Oversight and Accountability is conducting oversight of inaccuracies in the 2020 Census and their consequences on apportionment of representation among the states in the U.S. House of Representatives and the electoral college. This oversight is critical to ensure steps are being taken to facilitate an accurate 2030 Census. As the Committee with primary legislative jurisdiction over the decennial census, we request documents and communications to assist the Committee in understanding any deficiencies that led to the inaccurate count and resulting apportionment, and whether legislation is necessary to ensure the 2030 Census does not suffer from avoidable errors.

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20 minutes ago, OldMaid said:

Yes, Jerry, illegals are counted in the Census. Whether or not it has a big impact on the apportionment of House seats and Electoral College votes, is debatable.

 

https://www.factcheck.org/2024/03/elon-musk-overstates-partisan-impact-of-illegal-immigration-on-house-apportionment/

Your link seems to differ from the census' own post-enumeration survey.  I'm shocked that an objective site like factcheck would find a site which agrees with its partisan leanings.

Also, if illegal aliens count towards electors, that is pathetic. 

 

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Just now, jerryskids said:

Your link seems to differ from the census' own post-enumeration survey.  I'm shocked that an objective site like factcheck would find a site which agrees with its partisan leanings.

Also, if illegal aliens count towards electors, that is pathetic. 

 

And you like to say some people have been "blue pilled" while overlooking that giant container of red pills you seem to be taking.

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34 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

When it comes to this topic I suspect your definition of “moderate” might be different from mine. 

Fair enough. It will be obvious that she was lying only to get more votes and detract from Dem.  border failures.  So, again, you have no fear of actually realizing Kamalas deportation plan to see if it will be bloody and nasty. Better?  

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46 minutes ago, Herbivore said:

this paragraph?

The Committee on Oversight and Accountability is conducting oversight of inaccuracies in the 2020 Census and their consequences on apportionment of representation among the states in the U.S. House of Representatives and the electoral college. This oversight is critical to ensure steps are being taken to facilitate an accurate 2030 Census. As the Committee with primary legislative jurisdiction over the decennial census, we request documents and communications to assist the Committee in understanding any deficiencies that led to the inaccurate count and resulting apportionment, and whether legislation is necessary to ensure the 2030 Census does not suffer from avoidable errors.

Sorry, i meant the part i quoted. The PES.

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JFC white liberal women are unhinged.  
 

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1853364345272447142?s=46&t=DFWeVowvyy-F23jlecK3zw

 

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37 minutes ago, OldMaid said:

And you like to say some people have been "blue pilled" while overlooking that giant container of red pills you seem to be taking.

Why do you conclude this? Factcheck is not impartial, they get a leans left from allsides. And they don't mention the PES, which would seem like a fact worth including in their analysis.

 

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49 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

 

49 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Also, if illegal aliens count towards electors, that is pathetic. 

 

Why? They’re part of the population. They’re not going anywhere. 

[Death 301]

Finally got some nice shots of that sweet Harris butt in black jeans tonight. She has a very nice butt. 

Going to be sweet to see that for the next four years.

[Death 301]

2 hours ago, jerryskids said:

A hack HuffPost article which references another HuffPost article about astrologers picking Kamala?  Perhaps your brain is in retrograde, Rusty.   

You're listing heavily to starboard, Jerrymander. Tomorrow is going to be a bad day for you. Thoughts and prayers. 

[Fireballer 2,639]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

 

Why? They’re part of the population. They’re not going anywhere. 

Literally no one except a tiny sliver of delusional libs believe in your “everyone is a global citizen” shtick.  You’re in bad company.

[Hardcore troubadour 14,934]

Joe Rogan endorses Trump

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14 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Literally no one except a tiny sliver of delusional libs believe in your “everyone is a global citizen” shtick.  You’re in bad company.

I don’t believe in the global citizen stuff. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,934]

Patrick Mahomes mother endorses Trump 

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5 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Patrick Mahomes mother endorses Trump 

Joe Rogan did as well tonight. Funny Ave never seen their names attached to the Diddy freakoffs list

[thegeneral 2,910]

New Hampshire Dartmouth poll has Harris +28

[Horseman 2,366]

11 hours ago, Horseman said:

Trump -160 is a 61.5% implied probability, or 23 points ahead.  However you like to think about it.  

If you think about what happened the line moved back from Trump -215 (seems crazy) to more in line with what the polling is showing with Trump the slight favorite -140 to -160.  That makes sense with more people betting the closer we get to election day.  But, you have to ask yourself, what was all the money doing that pushed it all the way to Trump -215

Nobody else figured out why Trump surged to -215?  Let me know if you need it explained to you tomorrow. 

Shut it down. Odds are Trump -160, Harris +140, right where they should be, until they come off the board. 

[Herbivore 1,115]

1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

Sorry, i meant the part i quoted. The PES.

ok, not arguing with here, but find it odd. like i said, i was a census taker in 2020, if i knocked on a door, and a person said f off, i f'ed off. if the person said i don't know about doing this i would explain how it relates to services available to the community including representation. some then responded, some said no. i am wondering what the significant errors are, and how the PES identified these.