June 27 Presidential debate

[Baker Boy 1,699]

10 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said:

Nothing matters anymore.  None of the millions of Trump’s lies, his constantly proving he’s not smart and worse not curious to learn.

Biden is not fit for office.  Period.

Between the two Trump is far far more able to carry out the duties of POTUS.

Biden and dem leadership have phuked us all by not being prepared with a successor.

We deserve 4 more years of Trump.

Wow, 1 million. Can you give me a dozen of his biggest lies it should be easy?

[GutterBoy 2,899]

1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

 

 

Well first of all I don't have a party, I'm not a member of the DNC, nor do I believe that the DNC always tells the truth.

Trump is declined no matter how much you deny it.  I thought Biden was in better shape going into the debate based on everything I've seen and heard.  The debate was a disaster, he looked and sounded terrible.  Based on that performance I think now that he's worse off that Trump cognitively.  Doesn't mean that Trump isn't bad now.

And you have yet to show any cognitive dissonance on my part.  You throw terms around that you don't understand, gaslit is another one.  You can try and explain my contradictory beliefs or you can just slink away of it's easier for you.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

8 minutes ago, Baker Boy said:

Look at the numbers do you really think it was a fair election?

Yes.  Show me any evidence you have that the election was stolen or shut up about it.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

8 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

He ran unsuccessfully for the Democratic presidential nomination in both 1988 and 2008.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_history_of_Joe_Biden

Are you OK?   

nomination.  He ran for the nomination.  Drunk already?

[Baker Boy 1,699]

3 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Yes.  Show me any evidence you have that the election was stolen or shut up about it.

I said it wasn’t a fair election.

[Strike 5,546]

1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

nomination.  He ran for the nomination.  Drunk already?

Uh, to any reasonable.person running for the nomination equals running for President.  He just lost earlier or, in one case, had to quit due to his history of plagiarism and lying.

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

The Dems will keep him out of sight for the next few days.  Then we will see him vigorously riding his bike at the beach of the fourth.  Vigourously pulling his  aluminum beackh chair two feet to get under his beach umbrella and perhaps even posing with his vigourous, very manly, and completely honest corvette.  The week after Trump will be sentenced.  They hope this will all blow away but eventually he will have to speak again.

 

There may have been some talk of having him vigourously golfing but his handlers are worried he will get stuck in a sand trap and need rescue.

 

Meanwhile Donald will explain that Stormy Daniels was not really a star, more of just a collaborating performer, and so he did not lie.  He will then get to a Taco Bell or a Raceway and buy food for the crowd who gathers.  Also, unconfirmed reports are that he will replace Joey Chestnut in the Nathan's Hot dog Eating contest where everybody will say nobody has ever eaten more than he.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

Just now, Baker Boy said:

I said it wasn’t a fair election.

Why was it not a fair election?

[GutterBoy 2,899]

1 minute ago, Strike said:

Uh, to any reasonable.person running for the nomination equals running for President.  He just lost earlier or, in one case, had to quit due to his history of plagiarism and lying.

OK, fine, he ran for president despite never getting the nomination.  How is this evidence that he stole the 2020 election?

[GutterBoy 2,899]

2 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

The Dems will keep him out of sight for the next few days.  Then we will see him vigorously riding his bike at the beach of the fourth.  Vigourously pulling his  aluminum beackh chair two feet to get under his beach umbrella and perhaps even posing with his vigourous, very manly, and completely honest corvette.  The week after Trump will be sentenced.  They hope this will all blow away but eventually he will have to speak again.

 

There may have been some talk of having him vigourously golfing but his handlers are worried he will get stuck in a sand trap and need rescue.

 

Meanwhile Donald will explain that Stormy Daniels was not really a star, more of just a collaborating performer, and so he did not lie.  He will then get to a Taco Bell or a Raceway and buy food for the crowd who gathers.  Also, unconfirmed reports are that he will replace Joey Chestnut in the Nathan's Hot dog Eating contest where everybody will say nobody has ever eaten more than he.

He gave a speech at a rally the next day and looked much better.  Doesn't matter though, the damage was done.

[jerryskids 6,799]

5 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

nomination.  He ran for the nomination.  Drunk already?

Yeah, I'm the drunk one.   

Take the rest of the day off Gutter, you need it.   

[GutterBoy 2,899]

1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

Yeah, I'm the drunk one.   

Take the rest of the day off Gutter, you need it.   

No I'm good.  I'm rather enjoying reading about you accusing me of things using terms that you don't understand.

[5-Points 3,530]

He chose "or don't."  

[seafoam1 3,025]

4 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

He gave a speech at a rally the next day and looked much better.  Doesn't matter though, the damage was done.

Looked much better. 

[jerryskids 6,799]

9 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

No I'm good.  I'm rather enjoying reading about you accusing me of things using terms that you don't understand.

I explained it twice, you don't get it.

[Strike 5,546]

17 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

No I'm good.  I'm rather enjoying reading about you accusing me of things using terms that you don't understand.

Terms like "running for President?".

[GutterBoy 2,899]

Just now, jerryskids said:

I explained it twice, you don't get it.

Jerry, all the posts are here.  You never explained it once.  I will explain it to you though.

An example of cognitive dissonance would be if I made a statements like "No man is qualified to be president that shows any signs of cognitive decline" and then "President Biden shows no cognitive decline and will make a great president the next 4 years".  Then I watched the debate, saw the Biden cognitive decline, then experienced internal conflict with my 2 firmly held beliefs that now contradict each other.

Rather what happened was, I knew Biden was in decline, said so numerous times, and still thought he was a better choice than Trump.  Then I saw he appeared declined further than I thought, which is disappointing, but he's still a better choice than Trump, there is no internal conflict with me, just disappointment that he likely hurt his re-election chances.

I hope you understand this.  I'm happy to explain further if you need it, and hopefully you'll think twice about throwing around terms you don't understand in the future.

[Strike 5,546]

20 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

He gave a speech at a rally the next day and looked much better.  Doesn't matter though, the damage was done.

Speeches are not the same as debates, or press conferences.  Reading a teleprompter is not the same thing as answering live questions, even though he often struggles with just reading a teleprompter.  There's a reason he's given the fewest press conferences of any President of our lifetimes.   But apparently the tactic worked on you.

[Patented Phil 1,469]

21 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

He gave a speech at a rally the next day and looked much better.  Doesn't matter though, the damage was done.

Yeah ok.  Like when he said this?

https://x.com/rncresearch/status/1806741729137021217?s=46&t=IzbM3-87p2zeOh7T9ScCrQ

[GutterBoy 2,899]

2 minutes ago, Strike said:

Terms like "running for President?".

In the context of receiving votes in a general election, he never received any prior to 2020.

[Strike 5,546]

Just now, GutterBoy said:

In the context of receiving votes in a general election, he never received any prior to 2020.

Moving the goalposts now, eh?  Why did you acknowledge you were wrong earlier?   Pretty normal for you lefties though. 

[Voltaire 5,316]

13 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I explained it twice, you don't get it.

He gets like this often. 

"Its just a scratch," "just a flesh wound." "Come back here you yellow bastard, I'll bit your legs off." "We'll call it a draw then."

[GutterBoy 2,899]

3 minutes ago, Strike said:

Speeches are not the same as debates, or press conferences.  Reading a teleprompter is not the same thing as answering live questions, even though he often struggles with just reading a teleprompter.  There's a reason he's given the fewest press conferences of any President of our lifetimes.   But apparently the tactic worked on you.

You weren't alive during the Reagan years?

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,106]

1 hour ago, 5-Points said:

You're right. It was the most secure election in American history.

State run media said so. 

Wait a minute...is that the same State run media that told GutterTroll that Biden was "Sharp, on point and very focused with no signs of dementia" these last 4 years too? 

[MDC 7,428]

I knew Biden was in decline but he looked worse than I’d ever seen him on Thursday. And most of his really bad moments happened in the first 30 minutes when people were most likely to see it.

The Democratic Party really did their voters dirty by not holding Joe to his promise to drop out after one term. 

[GutterBoy 2,899]

6 minutes ago, Patented Phil said:

Yeah ok.  Like when he said this?

https://x.com/rncresearch/status/1806741729137021217?s=46&t=IzbM3-87p2zeOh7T9ScCrQ

We all know he has a stutter, has for years.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,106]

Is it me, or has this debate been the straw that snapped Gutter's tenuous hold on reality?   

I can't imagine what it must be like for him to have all of the things he's been told over the last 4 years been completely and utterly false.  He simply can't handle it.   

[Strike 5,546]

12 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

You weren't alive during the Reagan years?

Ooh, you got me.  Reagan is the only other one.  But yeah, I wasn't really in to politics back then, and of course, our country ran as well as it ever has under Reagan so he really didn't need to do a lot of press conferences.  The country has been going down the toilet under Biden so it'd be nice if had to answer for that a little more.  And, of course, the big knock on Reagan was his age as well.

[Voltaire 5,316]

16 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

You weren't alive during the Reagan years?

Reagan would be on National TV, all stations, and gave cogent answers on a vast ranging interviews across spectrum of issues for an hour. My fellow Wayne State alum, Helen Thomas, was always seated front and center, and got the first question.

Biden occasionally goes for ten minutes, mixing up Egypt and Mexico, before Jill leads him away.

[jerryskids 6,799]

27 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Jerry, all the posts are here.  You never explained it once.  I will explain it to you though.

An example of cognitive dissonance would be if I made a statements like "No man is qualified to be president that shows any signs of cognitive decline" and then "President Biden shows no cognitive decline and will make a great president the next 4 years".  Then I watched the debate, saw the Biden cognitive decline, then experienced internal conflict with my 2 firmly held beliefs that now contradict each other.

Rather what happened was, I knew Biden was in decline, said so numerous times, and still thought he was a better choice than Trump.  Then I saw he appeared declined further than I thought, which is disappointing, but he's still a better choice than Trump, there is no internal conflict with me, just disappointment that he likely hurt his re-election chances.

I hope you understand this.  I'm happy to explain further if you need it, and hopefully you'll think twice about throwing around terms you don't understand in the future.

An example of cognitive dissonance would be you believing that your party and media sources are the truth tellers, and then finding out that they gaslit you on the biggest piece of disinformation in a long time.

In other words, exactly what I said.

HTH.

[BeachGuy23 642]

26 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

You weren't alive during the Reagan years?

I was a teen.  If you’re trying to compare the disaster we all saw last week to Reagan you’re a clown. 

[lickin_starfish 1,937]

Gutterboi was busted for cashing bad checks at the grocery store in 2005. You can't trust a word he says.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

4 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

An example of cognitive dissonance would be you believing that your party and media sources are the truth tellers, and then finding out that they gaslit you on the biggest piece of disinformation in a long time.

In other words, exactly what I said.

HTH.

Wrong, twice.  That is not an example of cognitive dissonance.  Like I said you don't understand the term.  What you're explaining is simply being lied to, or deceived, or manipulated, or an extreme instance trauma, but not cognitive dissonance.

The other instance you are wrong is falsely claiming that I have a party and I assume that the media all tells the truth.

Actually wrong a third time too because there was no gaslighting or disinformation either even for people who did believe what you described.

It's actually hard to be this wrong in one post, congrats.  But I have faith that you can top yourself as long as you keep posting.

[GutterBoy 2,899]

7 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said:

I was a teen.  If you’re trying to compare the disaster we all saw last week to Reagan you’re a clown. 

I was simply pointing out another of Strike's many lies that Biden has the least press conferences in our lifetime.  Reagan had less.

[jerryskids 6,799]

1 minute ago, GutterBoy said:

Wrong, twice.  That is not an example of cognitive dissonance.  Like I said you don't understand the term.  What you're explaining is simply being lied to, or deceived, or manipulated, or an extreme instance trauma, but not cognitive dissonance.

The other instance you are wrong is falsely claiming that I have a party and I assume that the media all tells the truth.

Actually wrong a third time too because there was no gaslighting or disinformation either even for people who did believe what you described.

It's actually hard to be this wrong in one post, congrats.  But I have faith that you can top yourself as long as you keep posting.

No, it's not, and your ability to double down on stupid is quite impressive.

Also, you have no party other than 99% of your posts here.  

And you finish up by defending the very media which has been gaslighting you with disinformation.

A trifecta of dumb, congrats!

[GutterBoy 2,899]

1 minute ago, jerryskids said:

No, it's not, and your ability to double down on stupid is quite impressive.

Also, you have no party other than 99% of your posts here.  

And you finish up by defending the very media which has been gaslighting you with disinformation.

A trifecta of dumb, congrats!

See, I knew it!

I'll just leave you this in case you want to learn something today.  You don't even have to admit you are wrong or apologize.

This is also a good article to educate youself: https://psychcentral.com/blog/fighting-cognitive-dissonance-the-lies-we-tell-ourselves#1

[Strike 5,546]

9 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

I was simply pointing out another of Strike's many lies that Biden has the least press conferences in our lifetime.  Reagan had less.

Actually I wasn't wrong.  Here is what I said:

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There's a reason he's given the fewest press conferences of any President of our lifetimes

Is it your assertion that Biden has given more press conferences than Reagan?

[5-Points 3,530]

42 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Wait a minute...is that the same State run media that told GutterTroll that Biden was "Sharp, on point and very focused with no signs of dementia" these last 4 years too? 

It's where the intellectuals get their informa... er talking points. 

[Engorgeous George 2,331]

1 hour ago, GutterBoy said:

He gave a speech at a rally the next day and looked much better.  Doesn't matter though, the damage was done.

He did.  He looked somewhat better but still ate his words, lost track momentarily, and seemed confused about leaving the stage after.  Still, no denying, on a teleprompter he was somewhat better.  The thing for me is he is clearly below whatever standard serious people should have for the leader of the free world.  He was never smart.  Now he is emfeebled on top of that.  These arguments about which of the two major party candidates is the least unqualified, relative to each other is sad.  We ought to do better.  We NEED to do better and those arguing that either is qualified for the job are only continuing the downward spiral which has lead us here and will eventually take us right down the toilet drain, if that has not already happened.

[Strike 5,546]

Just now, Engorgeous George said:

He did.  He looked somewhat better but still ate his words, lost track momentarily, and seemed confused about leaving the stage after.  Still, no denying, on a telprompter he was somewhat better.  The thing for me is he is clearly below whatever standard serious people should have for the leader of the free world.  He was never smart.  Now he is eMfeebled on top of that.  These arguments about which of the two major party candidates is the least unqualified, relative to each other is sad.  We ought to do better.  We NEED to do better and those arguing that either is qualified for the job are only continuing the downward spiral which has lead us here and will eventually take us right down the toilet drain, if that has not alreadyu happened.

Eh.  I generally agree with your stances EG but it seems to me you're showing dislike bias against Trump.  I hate the man personally, and didn't vote for him the first time he ran.  But I was not unhappy with the job he did as President.  I found his policies to be reasonable and, for the most part, well thought out.  I would rather someone else be in his place with similar policies but I would not say he is unqualified.  He very much exceeded my expectations during his four years in office.