The New York Times editorial board says Donald Trump is unfit to lead.

[seafoam1 2,799]

Just now, Bill E. said:

All it will take to stop China is Biden saying "Don't.   Don't.  Don't." 

 

kameltoe gave her seal of approval on that response. "Don't." 

[Fnord 2,051]

7 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

Yep. Nailed it. All of this is just because of one debate performance. This is quite possibly the dumbest post in this thread and that’s saying a lot. Good Lord.

Sorry, I'll explain it more succinctly:

It doesn't ever matter what Trump does or says, his core support is unwavering.

What other politicians do and say matters a great deal to their constituencies, and they are regularly held to account for misdeeds.

Why is Trump so bulletproof? Because of his exceptional charm, charisma, and character?

[HellToupee 1,583]

 but abortion 

 

what azz clowns

[Bill E. 703]

1 minute ago, seafoam1 said:

kameltoe gave her seal of approval on that response. "Don't." 

Don't even.  

[seafoam1 2,799]

Just now, IGotWorms said:

Then you guys should take ownership of it and quit trying to pretend like Trump wasn’t directly responsible for it

He was dirently responsible for doing the right thing. I didn't do anything but help vote him in. He did what he was voted in to do. So I'm 1/63M responsible. I'll take that I guess. 

[HellToupee 1,583]

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New York Times editorial board calls on Biden to drop out of 2024 race

“The United States needs a stronger opponent to the presumptive Republican nominee,” they write.

The New York Times’ decision to become the first national paper since Biden’s debate to call for a “stronger opponent” against Trump caps off a day of Biden-sympathizing columnists urging him to step aside. Both the editorial board and several columnists were keen to praise Biden’s decades-long career and noted his original decision to run in order to protect the soul of the country. 

Nonetheless, the Times’ editorial board was unsparing. While Biden would be its “unequivocal” choice against Trump because of the danger the former president poses, the president needed to step aside because he failed his own tests, created for himself: that he is the most electable candidate to defeat the “threat of tyranny” represented by Trump and his challenging of Trump to the debate based on his preferred date and rules.

Instead, Biden created a vacuum for other potential candidates to show that they, too, could prosecute Trump, the editorial board wrote — and affirmed long-held concerns about his limited public appearances that couldn’t be swatted away by a “supposed cold” or “bad night.” Above all, Biden did not explain what he would pursue in a second term or why he was able to combat Trump, it said.

“More than once, he struggled to make it to the end of a sentence,” the board added.

In response to a request for comment, campaign co-chair Cedric Richmond appeared to reference the board’s endorsement in the 2020 Democratic primary: “The last time Joe Biden lost the New York Times editorial board’s endorsement it turned out pretty well for him.”

The board, which consists of 14 opinion writers, urged the Democratic Party to pick a new nominee. It also sought to bat away many of the potential responses from Democrats, including the notion that a new candidate is not possible given the stage of the campaign and that the debate was simply a blip for a man with a lifetime of setbacks and a presidency of accomplishments.

The Times also recast Biden’s decision in terms of Republicans’ incapacity to respond to a “disqualifying” performance by Trump, writing that the Democrats had to “deal truthfully” with the American public.

“The burden rests on the Democratic Party to put the interests of the nation above the ambitions of a single man,” the board wrote.

Oh noes!

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9 minutes ago, RLLD said:

 

It must be rather disconcerting to have simple situations blown up into things like "threat to Democracy"....and such....

I can empathize with your frustrations.

Cute. Wanna just keep throwing around useless platitudes and veiled insults, or do you have some thoughts on the profoundly un-American recent events? 

All cool, cuz fock democrats, right? Just a big overreaction, nothing to see here.

I know you position yourself as a consistent and intelligent voice of reason around here; but your skirt has really started showing lately.

[Mike Honcho 5,093]

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

His last presidency was dangerous? 

Yes

[IGotWorms 4,057]

2 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

He was dirently responsible for doing the right thing. I didn't do anything but help vote him in. He did what he was voted in to do. So I'm 1/63M responsible. I'll take that I guess. 

I’m not asking for you personally to take responsibility. I’m saying you should give Trump credit for what he did rather than pretend that somehow he wasn’t responsible for it.

[HellToupee 1,583]

1 minute ago, Mike Honcho said:

Yes

This is simply not true. Not at all

[GutterBoy 2,898]

42 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

This wasn’t nearly the threat It was under Trump. And you’re really comparing the threat of tariffs to if China invades Taiwan? You understand we now are in an actual war. Not nonsensical billions upon billions of dollars to fight proxy or for a country that makes no difference if it falls or not. You guys are not realistic humans.

Yes I am, because the probability of a Trump tariff if we wins is 90%+.  What's the probability that China nukes Taiwan?

So you're willing to accept a 10% increase on prices just in case China nukes Taiwan?

And you say I'm unrealistic?

[cyclone24 1,912]

7 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Sorry, I'll explain it more succinctly:

It doesn't ever matter what Trump does or says, his core support is unwavering.

What other politicians do and say matters a great deal to their constituencies, and they are regularly held to account for misdeeds.

Why is Trump so bulletproof? Because of his exceptional charm, charisma, and character?

It’s tough because on one hand. I do give the left credit if they see a losing hand they are trying to pivot, which is something I have criticized the right for not doing with Trump because if Joe was there, I still think Joe wins and I would be blaming, the hard-core Trump people for it. On the other hand, you’re really only pivoting because of the loss you guys feel coming not because you feel like you have the best candidate. This is all about keeping power. But…You could make the same argument for Republicans. 

But I think if you guys couldn’t use the word Trump and we were just talking about Joe you guys know he’s not fit to keep going. That’s all I’m saying.

[RLLD 4,143]

1 minute ago, Fnord said:

Cute. Wanna just keep throwing around useless platitudes and veiled insults, or do you have some thoughts on the profoundly un-American recent events? 

All cool, cuz fock democrats, right? Just a big overreaction, nothing to see here.

I know you position yourself as a consistent and intelligent voice of reason around here; but your skirt has really started showing lately.

I do think the Democrats are over reacting. I think your point is salient, it was one bad night; though I also understand that people have been calling this problem out, and finally it was shown on a big stage, and the media could not hide it from people.

Now, this move on the part of the Democrats is not new, or all the sudden; this move is integral to their existence.  Over react and make the situation seem far worse, this is how they exist....this is how they manipulate.

We are watching a significant divide among liberals.   We can see that those whose power is predicated on Biden.....are standing by him with vigor.  Conversely, those who seek power....regardless....are ready to dump Biden so as to find someone who can deliver that power to them.

At the end of the day, it is not about our welfare, nor that of any group or person.....Democrats only crave power....and they lie relentlessly to manipulate people to serve them that power.  And that is on full display right now.

 

[cyclone24 1,912]

2 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

Yes I am, because the probability of a Trump tariff if we wins is 90%+.  What's the probability that China nukes Taiwan?

So you're willing to accept a 10% increase on prices just in case China nukes Taiwan?

And you say I'm unrealistic?

It’s very realistic. What good is your 10% going to be if you have to go looking for a fallout shelter? Do I really think it will come to that? Probably not but good Lord you guys act like these countries arent doing things because they know Joe is soft as fock.

and I’m not sure we all include myself quite understand how big a threat China really is right right now. It’s not good.

[CaptainObvious1 323]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

If Taiwan is attacked? Sure as hell I know. Every commander of the Joint Chiefs since 1949 has told us. Don’t be such a moron all the time. 

The fat bastard that gets manipulated by the media calling someone else a moron.  This is rich.  You literally can't think for yourself ever.

[Mike Honcho 5,093]

1 hour ago, IGotWorms said:

They’re right.

But Biden is also unfit.

So it’s sorta irrelevant at the moment.

Jesus what a sh1t show

Wrong. The people Trump surrounds himself, the direction he points the govt, the Justices he nominates makes it completely relevant who is the President. 

[IGotWorms 4,057]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

I do think the Democrats are over reacting. I think your point is salient, it was one bad night; though I also understand that people have been calling this problem out, and finally it was shown on a big stage, and the media could not hide it from people.

Now, this move on the part of the Democrats is not new, or all the sudden; this move is integral to their existence.  Over react and make the situation seem far worse, this is how they exist....this is how they manipulate.

We are watching a significant divide among liberals.   We can see that those whose power is predicated on Biden.....are standing by him with vigor.  Conversely, those who seek power....regardless....are ready to dump Biden so as to find someone who can deliver that power to them.

At the end of the day, it is not about our welfare, nor that of any group or person.....Democrats only crave power....and they lie relentlessly to manipulate people to serve them that power.  And that is on full display right now.

 

You just described politics bud.

You think this is unique to Democrats??

Man you are naive  

[GutterBoy 2,898]

Just now, cyclone24 said:

It’s very realistic. What good is your 10% going to be if you have to go looking for a fallout shelter? Do I really think it will come to that? Probably not but good Lord you guys act like these countries arent doing things because they know Joe is soft as fock.

So then by your logic China should nuke today, right?  Joe is soft as fock, he won't do anything.  Alpha Trump will be in office in January.  They better nuke before then, right?

[seafoam1 2,799]

4 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Sorry, I'll explain it more succinctly:

It doesn't ever matter what Trump does or says, his core support is unwavering.

What other politicians do and say matters a great deal to their constituencies, and they are regularly held to account for misdeeds.

Why is Trump so bulletproof? Because of his exceptional charm, charisma, and character?

Why is he a political target of the democrat party? The liberals have spent all their time, millions in tax payer dollars, formed commitee after commitee going after him for doing far less than their own political supporters and even themselves. It's been 10 years you all have been at it.

Why are they not deep diving into creepy joe's diddling in ukraine and china thru his kid, and nasty pelosis diddlings with slipping insider info to her gay husband? And maxipad waters didn't tell her voters to go physically get into people's faces in stores, restauramts, gas stations, etc? Why are you all appointing women to the supreme court that don't focking know what a woman is?  The list goes on and on. 

Seriously dude, get your head out of Trump's ass and look around a bit.

[seafoam1 2,799]

8 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

I’m not asking for you personally to take responsibility. I’m saying you should give Trump credit for what he did rather than pretend that somehow he wasn’t responsible for it.

I do give him credit. He da man

 

[RLLD 4,143]

1 minute ago, IGotWorms said:

You just described politics bud.

You think this is unique to Democrats??

Man you are naive  

Let's do the Tu quoque falacy later.

For now we should focus on the discussion.  Are they over reacting, well, sure they are.  But that is normal for them.  Its why they keep getting caught in all the lies.  They do things to such an extreme it eventually comes back.

I submit, that right now they are discussing how they might try to oust him from office to get Harris in there as the incumbent for the election.  It would be despicable.....

BUT

It would be right in line with how they think and behave.

[cyclone24 1,912]

6 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

So then by your logic China should nuke today, right?  Joe is soft as fock, he won't do anything.  Alpha Trump will be in office in January.  They better nuke before then, right?

How many liberal administrations do you need to see where Russia takes over new land under their watch Do you need to see? Do you really think North Korea and China have any fear of us at all right now? Come on

[IGotWorms 4,057]

3 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Let's do the Tu quoque falacy later.

For now we should focus on the discussion.  Are they over reacting, well, sure they are.  But that is normal for them.  Its why they keep getting caught in all the lies.  They do things to such an extreme it eventually comes back.

I submit, that right now they are discussing how they might try to oust him from office to get Harris in there as the incumbent for the election.  It would be despicable.....

BUT

It would be right in line with how they think and behave.

You sound like a petulant child

[RLLD 4,143]

2 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

You sound like a petulant child

My bad, for a moment there.....I presumed you were being an adult..... carry on sir

[Fnord 2,051]

8 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

It’s tough because on one hand. I do give the left credit if they see a losing hand they are trying to pivot, which is something I have criticized the right for not doing with Trump because if Joe was there, I still think Joe wins and I would be blaming, the hard-core Trump people for it. On the other hand, you’re really only pivoting because of the loss you guys feel coming not because you feel like you have the best candidate. This is all about keeping power. But…You could make the same argument for Republicans. 

But I think if you guys couldn’t use the word Trump and we were just talking about Joe you guys know he’s not fit to keep going. That’s all I’m saying.

Very few people are ardent Biden supporters. Most, like me, are so disgusted by Donald Trump that we see practically anyone as an improvement. Joe has shown that while his policies are far preferable, he is not capable of leading this country. We pivot because we want what's best for the country. 

Obviously there are power hungry pigs all over DC, but my feelings have nothing to do with their individual thirst. I just want a nation for my kids that isn't a hollowed shell of what it used to be. Right now, with these two both still in the race, I fail to see how this nation thrives in the next administration. It's more a question of how quickly it capitulates.

[thegeneral 2,889]

1 hour ago, squistion said:

Was the NYT hacked? They finally got it right:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/07/11/opinion/editorials/donald-trump-2024-unfit.html

"We are urging American voters to listen to Trump's words, to take him seriously, and to understand that this second presidency could be even more dangerous than the last."

Pretty much everyone should know this.

[seafoam1 2,799]

Jeez. Liberals are really stupid. 

[Engorgeous George 2,124]

35 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Let's do a quick recap.

Many lost their minds repeatedly during the Trump years for any number of ridiculous, unethical, illegal, unconstitutional, ignorant, and self serving things that he did. Republicans essentially laughed all of it off.

He was impeached twice, Reps did nothing other than shield him. Mueller report recommended charges of obstruction, the AG proactively shut that down while claiming innocence.

Multiple indictments follow, and he's found guilty of a felony and civilly liable for defamation and sexual assault. Republicans nominate him for the 3rd consecutive time, confident that he will PARDON HIMSELF for the rest of his alleged crimes.

His sycophants put together a plan for his next admin that essentially crowns him king of the US, and what the hell, SCOTUS gets involved by paving the way to making that a reality. Republicans claim these measures as wins.

Joe Biden has one miserable debate performance and Democrats are calling for him to step away, despite the difficulties that would create politically and logistically.

Trump Derangement Dyndrome is what the GOP is suffering from. The rest of us are just paying attention to reality. 

I dispute nothing you have said of Trump.  I do dispute that Joe Biden has had only one miserable debate perfromance though as they only had one debate that is technically true.  He was never intellectually or experientially qualified for Office.  He is a congential liar and plagarizer of extremely average intelligence, at best, and he has clearly been deteriorating for the last four years.  Shame on our society, right, left, and corporate media and big finance for presenting us this choice.  Shame on those who see the glaring deficiencies in the other side but not in there own.  Engaging in this argument means we have already lost as such engagement is an invertment and a commitment to continuing it leading us all further down the drain. 

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30 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

So you couldnt. Thank you. So you lied and made it up and I are just trying a sophomoric ad hominem attack to try to cover up What a dope you are. Talk about par for the course.

Go find your toy puppy

I’ll keep you on the line a little longer troll.

So these non nuclear ballistic missiles, China sends them to destroy Taiwans infrastructure right?  Because Taiwan is super valuable without its infrastructure.

Do you moron lemmings ever think anything through?

[Engorgeous George 2,124]

9 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Very few people are ardent Biden supporters. Most, like me, are so disgusted by Donald Trump that we see practically anyone as an improvement. Joe has shown that while his policies are far preferable, he is not capable of leading this country. We pivot because we want what's best for the country. 

Obviously there are power hungry pigs all over DC, but my feelings have nothing to do with their individual thirst. I just want a nation for my kids that isn't a hollowed shell of what it used to be. Right now, with these two both still in the race, I fail to see how this nation thrives in the next administration. It's more a question of how quickly it capitulates.

Exactly.  He is a placeholder for "any living democrat".  He was a candidate of convenience.  The convenience is up.  Time to put up another placeholder for "any living democrat" and the party can get behind them and they would not have Biden's current negatives, whether those are fair or not in your mind.

[BeachGuy23 642]

3 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

Exactly.  He is a placeholder for "any living democra"t.  He was a candidate of convenience.  The convenience is up.  Time to put up another placeholder for "any living democrat" and the party can get behind them and they would not have Biden's current negatives, whether those are fair or not in your mind.

This is 100% correct.

[Strike 5,185]

19 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

Wrong. The people Trump surrounds himself, the direction he points the govt, the Justices he nominates makes it completely relevant who is the President. 

Did you see who Biden put on the SC?  And Hunter is supposedly doing quite a bit at the WH lately......

[seafoam1 2,799]

Sqiddy is going to the New York Times editorial board for life advice now. 

You can not get any more liberal automolaton than that. 

[MDC 7,121]

Course he’s unfit. Just look at the guy. He must weigh 3 bills.

[GutterBoy 2,898]

17 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

How many liberal administrations do you need to see where Russia takes over new land under their watch Do you need to see? Do you really think North Korea and China have any fear of us at all right now? Come on

I'll just hide under my desk until big strong trump takes over.

[Mike Honcho 5,093]

4 minutes ago, Strike said:

Did you see who Biden put on the SC?  And Hunter is supposedly doing quite a bit at the WH lately......

Yes, that person did not vote to give the President near immunity from prosecution for committing criminal acts while acting as President.  So eminently more qualified that any of Trump's nominees. 

[cyclone24 1,912]

4 minutes ago, GutterBoy said:

I'll just hide under my desk until big strong trump takes over.

Why? Joe is doing such a great job. I mean, we only have to redo world maps, and spend billions of our dollars to fight proxy wars, but yeah, he’s doing a great job of lowering the temperature. JFC.

[cyclone24 1,912]

14 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said:

I’ll keep you on the line a little longer troll.

So these non nuclear ballistic missiles, China sends them to destroy Taiwans infrastructure right?  Because Taiwan is super valuable without its infrastructure.

Do you moron lemmings ever think anything through?

You calling anyone at troll is probably the most ironic thing ever.
 

No, you’re right. They just are going to ask for the country keys to the front door when they take over or try to take over Taiwan. That’s how that usually works.

[cyclone24 1,912]

18 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Very few people are ardent Biden supporters. Most, like me, are so disgusted by Donald Trump that we see practically anyone as an improvement. Joe has shown that while his policies are far preferable, he is not capable of leading this country. We pivot because we want what's best for the country. 

Obviously there are power hungry pigs all over DC, but my feelings have nothing to do with their individual thirst. I just want a nation for my kids that isn't a hollowed shell of what it used to be. Right now, with these two both still in the race, I fail to see how this nation thrives in the next administration. It's more a question of how quickly it capitulates.

Well, I could certainly argue that his policies are not preferable, but that’s probably for another day. I agree that debate was horrendous just from a…I can’t believe we are here standpoint. Are we really asking that much to find somebody around 50+ years old that’s articulate and can say the words you know what the other side has a good idea here. Is that really asking too damn much?

[IGotWorms 4,057]

18 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Very few people are ardent Biden supporters. Most, like me, are so disgusted by Donald Trump that we see practically anyone as an improvement. Joe has shown that while his policies are far preferable, he is not capable of leading this country. We pivot because we want what's best for the country. 

Obviously there are power hungry pigs all over DC, but my feelings have nothing to do with their individual thirst. I just want a nation for my kids that isn't a hollowed shell of what it used to be. Right now, with these two both still in the race, I fail to see how this nation thrives in the next administration. It's more a question of how quickly it capitulates.

Well said

We definitely need some new leadership, no question about that.

Nobody is buying that Joe Biden can still be an effective president at 86. It looks like he can’t hardly be one today  

Trump is also untenable but he will win because people will choose vigorous and wrong over senile and right. And you could really hardly blame them.